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AbNormal27
08-23-2003, 09:32 AM
Interesting story in the N&O, my dreams may be coming true!

Canes owner looks at local investors

By LUKE DECOCK, Staff Writer

RALEIGH -- Carolina Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos said Friday he is considering selling part or even all of the hockey team, depending on the outcome of the NHL's coming labor negotiations.
Karmanos, in town for the Jimmy V Celebrity Golf Classic, said that, if the NHL can reach an acceptable accommodation with the NHL Players' Association on a new collective bargaining agreement , he would look to add local partners.
The CBA expires on Sept. 15, 2004.

"We'd like to do that, but I would put myself on the other side and say, 'Why would anybody buy a minority interest in a hockey team that heretofore hasn't been profitable?' " Karmanos said. "We're not the Lone Ranger when it comes to that by any stretch. ...

"It would be very difficult. I think when we have our new agreement I would like to get as many people who are interested to participate and have a real board of directors and become even more a part of the community."

Karmanos, who is on the NHL's executive committee, is among a group of hard-line owners who want to install a luxury tax or salary cap -- what commissioner Gary Bettman has described as "cost certainty."

Because the owners and players appear so far apart, a repeat of the 1994 lockout that wiped out 38 games and that led to the current CBA is widely feared. In a worst-case scenario, the entire 2004-05 season could be lost.

NHL executives have been threatened with fines for publicly discussing the possibility of labor problems, but Karmanos said the outcome of the 2004 negotiations will determine in large part the future of the Hurricanes.

"From the Hurricanes' point of view, we couldn't keep operating a team under the current CBA," Karmanos said. "[Which means] selling it. I think you would find people here. But again, it's very difficult to talk about as a business. You'd want someone who would give the same dedication to the sport that I have."

In December, Forbes Magazine valued the Hurricanes at $123 million , 21st among the 30 NHL franchises. Karmanos already has one minority partner in his hockey interests, Thomas Thewes -- one of his Compuware co-founders, who now lives in Florida. Together, they own the Hurricanes and two minor league teams and arenas.

Although Karmanos said he wants to spend more time in North Carolina, he lives in Detroit, where he is chairman and CEO of software company Compuware. He commutes to about half of the Hurricanes' home games.

Despite the prospect of at least a partial divestment of the Hurricanes, Karmanos said he eventually plans to become more involved in the business side of the hockey team as he reduces his role at Compuware. Karmanos, who turned 60 in March, said he had no timetable for such a move and that no changes were imminent.

Karmanos did acknowledge that the team's financial position was improving. Team officials have said the team has lost more than $100 million since moving to North Carolina from Hartford, Conn., in 1997.

The Hurricanes say they were 14th in the NHL in gate receipts last season, a remarkable accomplishment for a last-place team in one of the league's smallest markets. Based on interviews, documents and published reports, The News & Observer has estimated that the team averaged about $600,000 per game in gate receipts.

The team's average attendance was 15,682 in 2002-03, 19th in the NHL, even though the team fell from being a Stanley Cup finalist to finishing 30th and last in the NHL. The NHL average was 16,591.

Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford said season-ticket renewals were running behind goals and projections for the coming season, but he cautioned that the team rarely receives all responses until the end of September. The season-ticket base was about 9,000 last season.

"We would like it to be better than it is. Based on having an off season and the economy, I'm not completely surprised," Rutherford said. "We still have some work to do to get to the level we expected."

Rutherford said that corporate sales, however, were starting to rebound and that new clients were arriving -- Quintiles and Subway among them -- to replace those lost because of the sluggish economy.


OK, I'm hoping that GOP isn't blowing hot air here, and will be doing what I can to buy into this!

Aaryn

nccanes
08-23-2003, 09:43 AM
My personal opinion on this article is that yeah, it's interesting, but the first big, huge, ugly hurdle concerning the Canes and the NHL as a whole is the CBA mess. For me, it's hard to look much further beyond that.

And I find it interesting that the Bruins owner spoke up yesterday about the CBA also.

Shell
08-23-2003, 10:36 AM
definitely Eileen.. especially since he hadn't spoken in 3 years.. That would drive me crazy!!

I'm not really listening to anything until after CBA either.. too much posturing going on to be able to tell what is true and what is ploy.

(GOP gets me every time.. I was gonna be pissed to have a bunch of old republicans on the team ;))

SouthernHockeyChick
08-23-2003, 10:44 AM
Yep. I think we're gonna hear a lot of owners whining about how they are dying a slow and painful death over the next year. After all, they simply must present a united front...that they are all about broke and about to fold so they can get that salary cap and appear as if they are only doing what they have to in order to avoid welfare. :roll: Each side, the players and the owners, will be fighting a PR battle to see who gets the most fan sympathy. It may get ugly.

Many people will read this afticle as the end of the Hurricanes in NC. In reality I feel like Pete's remarks were fairly tempered in regards to the Canes financial situation. He says it is getting better; they site several improvements in attendance, gate reciepts etc; he continually mentions "minority stake" in the team; and he makes it sound like he'd like to sell part to someone local in order to further entrench the team in this area. Doesn't seem to me like the sky is falling. But some people (not refering to anyone in this thread....yet) seem to want it to be. :roll:

AbNormal27
08-24-2003, 08:41 AM
(GOP gets me every time.. I was gonna be pissed to have a bunch of old republicans on the team ;))

GOP = Good Old Peter. I think that sometimes he thinks he's GOD, but not quite, so therefore, I refer to him as GOP. ;)

Aaryn

StormShaman
08-24-2003, 09:56 AM
Many people will read this afticle as the end of the Hurricanes in NC.

Brace for a few rounds of Mikey Glasson and his troll friends, folks. They'll be all over this like the proverbial white on rice.

AbNormal27
08-25-2003, 09:26 AM
I understand that there has been some confusion as to the GOP reference, and I thought I should explain it a little further.

This goes back to the day that Peter Karmanos came into Hartford and bought the Whalers, promising change. He followed through on his promise and moved the team (change of location). While it really hurt the Hartford area and benefitted the Raleigh area in the long run, it seemed like he was "playing God" and just wanted to do what he wanted to do, regardless of the concessions being made to him or the impact of the team leaving. In the long run, since he stepped aside and let JR run the team, it has become a success. Since he can't be GOD, I began to call Good Old Peter, the man with all the bright ideas ;) , GOP for short. If he is in charge of the actual hockey operations, we are in trouble (JMHO).

I hope this clears up what GOP means, and doesn't make any enemies for me.

Aaryn

Guyute
08-25-2003, 09:41 AM
Yep. I think we're gonna hear a lot of owners whining about how they are dying a slow and painful death over the next year. After all, they simply must present a united front...that they are all about broke and about to fold so they can get that salary cap and appear as if they are only doing what they have to in order to avoid welfare. :roll: Each side, the players and the owners, will be fighting a PR battle to see who gets the most fan sympathy. It may get ugly.


Wow, are you actually on the players' side?

I do feel for the owners. Most of them DO lose money, year after year. That's why almost all, if not all, sports team owners have a Major business holding elsewhere... so that their "real" business can absorb the losses of their team. The owners Are the ones that should be making some money. Players making the kind of money they are is what will end up causing the downfall of sports.

all my opinion of course. but it's right :p

SouthernHockeyChick
08-25-2003, 09:53 AM
Wow, are you actually on the players' side? Hell no! I'm not on anyone's side! They are all too damn rich for their own good. And they will all do whatever it takes to hold on to their own money. They've all lost sight of what's important here....the sport! It's like politicians.....they all suck on this issue. I was just pointing out the owners there because they are the ones in the news whining at present. But I will say that the owners have no one to blame but themselves for what the players are making. If they hadn't started paying it the market wouldn't have become the way it is. Of course, then you'd have the fans *****ing like Boston fans that management never does what it takes to keep the good players. :roll:

I want a salary cap and revenue sharing. Screw them both (players and owners).

AbNormal27
08-25-2003, 10:03 AM
I want a salary cap and revenue sharing. Screw them both (players and owners).

TESTIFY! Once again, SHC speaks the truth! Good points Angie.

Aaryn

HockeyPat
08-25-2003, 11:14 AM
Whew, when I saw the GOP reference, I got worried about the whole losing money thing. It's common knowledge that Democrats lie about sex and Republicans lie about money. So I was starting to think maybe the owners are not losing money. Thanks for the clarification. :D

I'm with the Chick on this one. When Billionaires and Millionaires can't get together to divide a big ole piece of pie, everybody sucks.
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