Game-this-is-hockey?-Thread ..... vs. San Jose, 11/1/09 [Archive]

SoCalcaniac

10-31-2009, 05:04 PM

I personally will be extremely happy for the real festivities,cheering Ray Whitney for his personal milestone and all that goes with his achievement. It's very disappointing that FSN isn't showing the game, but Comcast CA does a great broadcast, so I've got scheduled to TiVo.

Get there on time people, CH.com says JF will start at 1:20 I'm very happy and proud for Ray, regardless of what the heck has been going on.

I had projected long ago that we'd be in a groove by now and winning games. Of course I was completely wrong, but I expect that this team can win games, which they're so not doing.

If #26 and #15 are back at least there will be jump in the lineup.

If nothing, they better make it a point to be sharp and ready to play so not to spoil Ray's day. and if they don't want to be completely embarrassed, they sure as heck better stay out of the box, and they better skate or it'll be BRUTAL.

Congrats to Ray! Something to look forward to.

kermelbar

10-31-2009, 05:15 PM

Whoo-hoo for Ray F**kin' Right Whitney! And if the game sucks, well, I'll just enjoy my funnel f**kin' right cake.

brindyfan

10-31-2009, 05:50 PM

In honor of Ray, we doing an adult brunch tomorrow complete with adult beverages. They better play better or I might just be in the right f*cking mindset to head to the locker room and kick the team's collective a$$.

SouthernHockeyChick

10-31-2009, 06:11 PM

I think Ray would be exceedingly proud that "f*ck" seems to be the word of the day in the Ray Whitney Night game thread. It's just f*ckin' right.:D

pamski01

10-31-2009, 06:13 PM

I f*&kin' agree. CONGRATS to Ray!!

andyt

10-31-2009, 07:02 PM

F*ck yeah!

Canesluver

10-31-2009, 08:10 PM

OH..... and I f*ckin' forgot something......

I usually start the first thread of the new month with a mention of the final win-loss record of the previous month, and I forgot to do that. We all know it f*ckin' sucks, and it's the worst October since I've been the official unofficial game thread starter, but at any rate.... here goes.......

We finished October -- 2 - 7 - 3 :sick:

But...... this thought just occurred to me.....

WE'RE F*CKIN' UNDEFEATED IN NOVEMBER!!! WOOOOOOO!!!!

:nanner:

superdave

10-31-2009, 08:48 PM

I f*ckn won't see this f*ckn game at all since my f*ckn daughter will be using my f*ckn tickets to the f*ckn game. I hope that f*ckn Ray Whitney's mother f*ckn game if f*ckn great. We need a f*ckn win. I hope Erik f*ckn Cole, Tuomo f*ckn Ruutu, and Tim f*ckn Gleason are back for the f*ckn game. Happy f*ckn Halloween mother f*ckers.

livinthedream

10-31-2009, 08:55 PM

BEST.F*CKING.GAME.THREAD.EVER.

SouthernHockeyChick

10-31-2009, 08:57 PM

BEST.F*CKING.GAME.THREAD.EVER.

WAAAAAAY better than the f*ckin game will be. *sigh*

superdave

10-31-2009, 09:14 PM

WAAAAAAY better than the f*ckin game will be. *sigh*

F*ck yeah.

BHW

10-31-2009, 10:12 PM

How fitting is it that Ray is rumored to be traded in the next few days? I f*cking hope it's true!

cmw00

10-31-2009, 10:20 PM

How fitting is it that Ray is rumored to be traded in the next few days? I f*cking hope it's true!

What the F*CK???

F*CKIN WRONG!!!!

Why wouldn't they have done this special event for Ray on game that would be broadcast locally? Trying to get more people in the arena? I think being competetive helps more with that than not showing special events like this doesn't it?

ETA:
WHAT THE F*CK some more...
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=24020

Why would we trade Ray? Unless its for a premiere defensemen I would be highly pissed, F*CK, I'd be pissed period.

nccanes

10-31-2009, 10:21 PM

I was just going to post the same f*cking rumor.

But doesn't Ray have f*cking no trade clause?

cmw00

10-31-2009, 10:29 PM

But doesn't Ray have f*cking no trade clause?

That sounds interesting, his wife let him sign that? :lol:

c-girl

10-31-2009, 10:33 PM

When did we start f*cking believing Eklund?

Deke

10-31-2009, 11:29 PM

I was just going to post the same f*cking rumor.

But doesn't Ray have f*cking no trade clause?

Wasn't there a story last year that there was talk of a trade to Edmonton? I might be (very) wrong but I seem to remember it being Forslund who revealed that at one point. I wouldn't be surprised if this one was true as well. Let's face it, there is probably going to be a fire sale and the way things are going I don't expect JR to wait until the trade deadline to unload all of the veteran UFA's.

Caniac4life

10-31-2009, 11:36 PM

"Hello Time Warner, I just wondered if it would be possible for me to sign up for Center Ice just for today. I've subscribed to Center Ice for 4 years and have been a TWC subscriber since 1996. I try to always pay my bill on time as I just mailed my payment yesterday... or maybe that was for my August bill... it's difficult to keep up with sometimes. I hate keeping records. Anyway, I'm a big hockey fan and the Carolina Hurricanes are honoring Ray Whitney on his 1000th game which is a big milestone for professional hockey players. If there's anyway possible.... hello? Hello? HELLO???" SOB'S!!!!!!!!!

Caniac4life

11-01-2009, 12:38 AM

What the F*CK???

F*CKIN WRONG!!!!

Why wouldn't they have done this special event for Ray on game that would be broadcast locally? Trying to get more people in the arena? I think being competetive helps more with that than not showing special events like this doesn't it?

ETA:
WHAT THE F*CK some more...
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=24020

Why would we trade Ray? Unless its for a premiere defensemen I would be highly pissed, F*CK, I'd be pissed period.

You gotta luv Ray-Ray but a trade for a premiere defenseman at this point would be a steal considering potentially 3 of our defensemen won't be back next year.

brindyfan

11-01-2009, 05:51 AM

F*cking rumors aside, this is a message to the team:

Today it a new day. What you do with it is up to you.

superdave

11-01-2009, 07:41 AM

Hello boys and girls. The word for today is...

f*ckn

Can you say that boys and girls? Let's use it in a sentence.

It's f*ckn game day.

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, it's a beautiful day for a neighbor...oh f*ck it.

ontheboards

11-01-2009, 07:42 AM

If I can't feel any f*ckin' worse, we're 29th in the league! Twenty f*ckin' ninth in the league. The only team worse than us is Toronto and they're fighting for pucks and battling to stay in games and they're passing is a hell of a lot better...F*ckin' right it's Ray Whitney Day! Woot! 'cuz ther sure isn't a hell of a lot going on to cheer for. Other than we might be a f*ckin lottery pick team by April!

superdave

11-01-2009, 08:04 AM

That's gotta hurt.
They look out of synch.
He's seen enough.
They're making a lot of un-forced errors.
They appear to lack consistency.
They have to generate some offense.
They're not playing to win - they're playing not to lose.
They're back on their heels.
They're on the ropes.
They have to get back into their offensive rhythm.
They're going to have to make some adjustments.
They've got to go back and re-group.
They'll have a lot to discuss at intermission.
They must maintain their composure.
They have to get back on track.
They have a tough row to hoe.
They have to circle the wagons.
Their play is very tentative.
They don't have their heads in the game.
They've gone to the well once too often.
They're not out of it yet.
They're still hanging around.
We've still got plenty of hockey left.
They have to slowly chip away at this lead.
They won't go quietly.
No need to panic, there's plenty of time left.
Never say die.
Well, stranger things have happened.
It ain't over 'til it's over.
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
You can feel this one slipping away.
That score makes it respectable.
That's too little, too late.
This game is getting out of hand.
When it rains it pours.
That really took the wind out of their sails.
That could be the knock-out punch.
That was the back breaker.
There's the dagger.
That sealed their fate.
That's a nail in the coffin.
A lot of the faithful are heading for the exits.
Warm up the bus.
Their defense is getting shredded.
The wheels just fell off.
The roof just caved in.
Lights out.
They're self-destructing.
They ran into a buzz saw.
They're getting an old-fashioned woodshed whippin'.
The rout is on.
This is a real shellacking.
This is a train wreck.
This is turning into a real laugher.
This could get ugly.

Pick 3 or 4 or these and get on with your day.
(pirated list of cliches from http://www.sportscliche.com/losing.html )

c-girl

11-01-2009, 08:06 AM

l'll take the last 12 on your list.

Shattered

11-01-2009, 09:03 AM

Does anyone want my f*in' tickets? My son is wired the f*ck up from his f*in' asthma medicine, and I'm not f*in' inclined to try to keep him in his f*in' seat.

They're f*in' free, top of south UGZ. 2 together, 1 in the next f*in' section.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 09:32 AM

Other than we might be a f*ckin lottery pick team by April!
You think it will take until f*ckin April?

That's gotta hurt.
They look out of synch.
He's seen enough.
They're making a lot of un-forced errors.
They appear to lack consistency.
They have to generate some offense.
They're not playing to win - they're playing not to lose.
They're back on their heels.
They're on the ropes.
They have to get back into their offensive rhythm.
They're going to have to make some adjustments.
They've got to go back and re-group.
They'll have a lot to discuss at intermission.
They must maintain their composure.
They have to get back on track.
They have a tough row to hoe.
They have to circle the wagons.
Their play is very tentative.
They don't have their heads in the game.
They've gone to the well once too often.
They're not out of it yet.
They're still hanging around.
We've still got plenty of hockey left.
They have to slowly chip away at this lead.
They won't go quietly.
No need to panic, there's plenty of time left.
Never say die.
Well, stranger things have happened.
It ain't over 'til it's over.
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
You can feel this one slipping away.
That score makes it respectable.
That's too little, too late.
This game is getting out of hand.
When it rains it pours.
That really took the wind out of their sails.
That could be the knock-out punch.
That was the back breaker.
There's the dagger.
That sealed their fate.
That's a nail in the coffin.
A lot of the faithful are heading for the exits.
Warm up the bus.
Their defense is getting shredded.
The wheels just fell off.
The roof just caved in.
Lights out.
They're self-destructing.
They ran into a buzz saw.
They're getting an old-fashioned woodshed whippin'.
The rout is on.
This is a real shellacking.
This is a train wreck.
This is turning into a real laugher.
This could get ugly.

God. I think the season just flashed before our eyes.

livinthedream

11-01-2009, 09:48 AM

Dammit people! I am not going to let this dismal f*cking weather or our team's dismal f*cking performance rain on my f*cking parade or on Ray F*cking Right Whitney's special day today!

My reckless f*cking dumbass is back and I'm f*cking giddy about it.

And by all indications Erik f*cking Cole *is* back in the lineup today.

And Timmy f*cking Gleason shouldn't be far behind. We almost have our full f*cking roster back.

LET'S F*CKING GO CANES!!!

Scottysfistofdeath

11-01-2009, 09:52 AM

f*ck this. just win.

We've watched them loose in all sorts of f*cking ways. Hopefully the reckless dumbass and f*cking Cole will make this all better.

This is what i've closed my eyes and tried to tell myself far too much lately to sleep at night.

At this point, all I want to see is some guys in f*cking hurricanes jersies f*cking skating in some method that looks semi f*cking competitve.
and Joe Corvo on the LEFT F*CKING POINT OF THE F*CKING PROGRESS F*CKING ENERGY POWER PLAY!

sigh...

superdave

11-01-2009, 10:03 AM

I love this f*ckin place.

It f*ckin helps me with my f*ckin misery about the f*ckin season.
It will help that our f*ckin players are back for the f*ckin game. How about a f*ckin win?

Congrats to Ray "mother f*ckin" Whitney for playing in 1000 f*ckin games.

I hope they print this f*ckin thread out and read it to the f*ckin team before the f*ckin game.

livinthedream

11-01-2009, 10:09 AM

Per twitter, Erik Cole has been officially activated off f*cking IR.

c-girl

11-01-2009, 10:10 AM

Just watched NHL on the Fly on NHLN. They renamed the Hurricanes the F*cking Carolina Light Breezes.

Well, they didn't actually use the word F*cking. I added that part. :)

KaniacFever

11-01-2009, 10:16 AM

The weather is f*ckin dismal and that f*ckin team who wears red, better not be gloomy like this f*ckin weather.

Its Ray F*ckin Right Whitney day and ya'll better do your f*ckin Wizard right today.

And Welcome back Erik F*ckin Cole and Reckless F*ckin dumbass. :D

Solracer

11-01-2009, 10:26 AM

Since I have been using the Word F*ck a lot when watching the canes it is appropriate that I will be in attendance on Ray F*cking Right Whitney Day.

We are So F*CKED!

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 10:27 AM

Wow this thread. :lol:

See you all there.

kermelbar

11-01-2009, 10:31 AM

Y'know, it'd be pretty awesome to see a bunch of "F**KING RIGHT!" signs in the stands during Ray's ceremony.

superdave

11-01-2009, 10:33 AM

That's gotta f*knin' hurt.
They look out of f*knin' synch.
He's f*knin' seen enough.
They're making a lot of f*knin' un-forced errors.
They appear to f*knin' lack consistency.
They have to generate some f*knin' offense.
They're not playing to win - they're playing not to f*knin' lose.
They're back on their f*knin' heels.
They're on the f*knin' ropes.
They have to get back into their f*knin' offensive rhythm.
They're going to have to make some f*knin' adjustments.
They've got to go back and f*knin' re-group.
They'll have a lot to f*knin' discuss at intermission.
They must maintain their f*knin' composure.
They have to f*knin' get back on track.
They have a f*knin' tough row to hoe.
They have to circle the f*knin' wagons.
Their f*knin' play is very tentative.
They don't have their f*knin' heads in the game.
They've gone to the well once too f*knin' often.
They're not out of it f*knin' yet.
They're still f*knin' hanging around.
We've still got plenty of f*knin' hockey left.
They have to slowly chip away at this f*knin' lead.
They f*knin' won't go quietly.
No need to f*knin' panic, there's plenty of time left.
Never f*knin' say die.
Well, stranger f*knin' things have happened.
It f*knin' ain't over 'til it's over.
It ain't over 'til the f*knin' fat lady sings.
You can f*knin' feel this one slipping away.
That score makes it f*knin' respectable.
That's too f*knin' little, too f*knin' late.
This f*knin' game is getting out of hand.
When it rains it f*knin' pours.
That really took the f*knin' wind out of their sails.
That could be the f*knin' knock-out punch.
That was the f*knin' back breaker.
There's the f*knin' dagger.
That f*knin' sealed their fate.
That's a f*knin' nail in the coffin.
A lot of the faithful are heading for the f*knin' exits.
Warm up the f*knin' bus.
Their f*knin' defense is getting shredded.
The wheels just f*knin' fell off.
The f*knin' roof just caved in.
F*knin' lights out.
They're f*knin' self-destructing.
They ran into a f*knin' buzz saw.
They're f*knin' getting an old-fashioned woodshed whippin'.
The f*knin' rout is on.
This is a f*knin' real shellacking.
This is a f*knin' train wreck.
This is turning into a real f*knin' laugher.
This could get f*knin' ugly.

Is that f*ckin better?

Such a versatile word.

caniac369

11-01-2009, 10:40 AM

Just F*ckin show up. Even 1 point is better then none. 2 and I'll committ to my next trip tomorrow.

How sad is it that I would be happy with a loss if they just PLAY F*CKIN HOCKEY!!!

BrindAmourFan

11-01-2009, 10:45 AM

^^ Too funny. :laugh:

caveman

11-01-2009, 11:06 AM

1. caveman and cavetoddler will be in the house for the first time (non practice) this season.
2. to satiate the hockey gods I offered up my beard (gone) and hair (took a #2 buzzer to my 2-3 inches of hair) yesterday after 'the phailure in philly.'

let's rock the house. f*ckin' right.

ontheboards

11-01-2009, 11:09 AM

Wow this f*ckin' thread. :lol:

See you all f*ckin' there, f*ckin' right.
FTFY

caveman

11-01-2009, 11:42 AM

We'll see you there if we can navigate the marathon traffic. Thanks so much, official site, for just linking to the road closing table instead of providing a 'and this is how you actually should come to the RBC Center' explanation. /sarcasm

Kat

11-01-2009, 12:12 PM

If anyone comes up with a f*cking internet feed, please post it here?

We didn't get CI this year either... if the f*cking Canes had had a better October, we might have, but this household winds up too f*cking depressed most nights to want to watch MORE hockey.

FWIW, I never ever post in game threads until after the game, but I figure I can't make things WORSE. Then again, this may come back to f*cking bite me later...

Love the thread. :lol:

Greensboro Hurricanes

11-01-2009, 12:26 PM

I'll leave the gratuitous f-bombs to others :)

I just hope that if things turn bad in this game that the atmosphere isn't too toxic. Some people seem to enjoy *****ing and, honestly, most of the time I do to.

When it comes to my teams, though, I prefer to ***** privately and not outwardly at the arena. I know everyone is different, but an arena-wide *****fest isn't very much fun.

superdave

11-01-2009, 12:32 PM

If anyone comes up with a f*cking internet feed, please post it here?
:

Right f*ckin here
http://atdhe.net/9682/watch-san-jose-sharks-vs-carolina-hurricanes

Kat

11-01-2009, 12:38 PM

Right f*ckin here
http://atdhe.net/9682/watch-san-jose-sharks-vs-carolina-hurricanes

F*cking right!! Thanks!! :D

toastmasterbone

11-01-2009, 12:52 PM

Don't know if any of you f***ers posted a f***in' steaming link yet, but it's right HERE (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/team-teal-channel).

Being purposefully f***in' obtuse.

superdave

11-01-2009, 12:59 PM

Don't know if any of you f***ers posted a f***in' steaming link yet, but it's right HERE (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/team-teal-channel).

Being purposefully f***in' obtuse.

Can't you f*ckin read? It's in the 2 f*ckin threads above you.

superdave

11-01-2009, 01:04 PM

The feed started out good but it's freezing up a lot now. I've tried the other one and I get the same thing.

superdave

11-01-2009, 01:10 PM

toastmasterbone

11-01-2009, 01:34 PM

Rock on, Sutter-kin.

superdave

11-01-2009, 01:34 PM

Brandon f*ckin Sutter scores.

Wooooo

superdave

11-01-2009, 01:42 PM

I lost the feed and while I was trying to find something, the Sharks score 2.

F*ck

Kat

11-01-2009, 01:44 PM

Both feeds are a no-go for me, now. Boo.

Alicia

11-01-2009, 01:45 PM

F*ckin 2 quick goals...again...

toastmasterbone

11-01-2009, 01:45 PM

Yeah, they're both out.

Good thing, otherwise we'd have seen the opponent score 2 goals within a minute and a half... although that never happens.

Kat

11-01-2009, 01:46 PM

So what is the tally on that statistic now? 8 games?

toastmasterbone

11-01-2009, 01:55 PM

Game over.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 02:04 PM

I am so annoyed that I spent money at the first int, I swore I wouldn't spend 1 more cent than I prepaid (tix and parking).

I'm leaving as soon as the 2nd is over unless they score on this PP... To quote Erik Cole "I got **** to do".

toastmasterbone

11-01-2009, 02:08 PM

It's Sutter's fault. He needs to stop scoring.

Kat

11-01-2009, 02:10 PM

Maybe it's a blessing that the feeds are gone...

Alicia

11-01-2009, 02:38 PM

Pretty sad, going from least penalized/Stanley Cup contenders one season to most penalized/29th in the league the next.

guinevere

11-01-2009, 02:48 PM

Take heart. I have no doubt we will soon be 30th. I just want to gag. (Sooo sooo sorry Caveman about the tickets)

MoBigRed

11-01-2009, 02:59 PM

That's the way this team works... go deep into the playoffs, then stink up the place for a couple years so we can get some good draft picks. Tyler Seguin, here we come!

Glad Leighton proved yesterday that Maurice's lack of confidence wasn't unfounded, so we could play our $38million man today and only lose 5 to 1. Baby steps, people, baby steps...

Also glad Sutter's kinda proving me wrong about saying they should bring up Samson instead. He's proving we were right in bringing up somebody, though. Can we bring up about 6 more, please?

nccanes

11-01-2009, 03:01 PM

I feel like such an ass (well, not today, because I was wise enough to leave and get some errands out of the way before I got home). I actually said these words this summer: "I'm not sure how good they'll be, but they should be fun to watch". I can't believe I said that -- or even thought that.

When things got to critical mass in the middle of last season, I felt JR needed to do something, firesale, fire the coach whatever. It doesn't matter if the coach is the root cause or not anymore. It's happened again. Time to blow it up or move Mo upstairs (cuz he ain't getting cut loose again). I do hope they go with Rowe over Ronnie (or Ronnie takes a pass) because I can't imagine watching this team implode with the Franchise behind the bench.

So - here's hoping we got both this time...player personnel changes and move in the youth...and a new voice behind the bench.

It is completely puzzling that the forwards can look so lost....when they were pretty good 7 months ago.

Anyone know who on the team has NTC? Because I'd like to see them make everyone available.

nickgregory

11-01-2009, 03:11 PM

for those at the game, the feed said Staal went out with an "upper body concern"

nickgregory

11-01-2009, 03:15 PM

Anyone know who on the team has NTC? Because I'd like to see them make everyone available.

This appears to be dated (as it includes Kaberle), but here is a list I have found

http://www.nhlscap.com/no_trade.htm

Eric Staal, CAR - NTC [starting July 1, 2010]
Scott Walker, CAR - NTC
Niclas Wallin, CAR - NTC
Ray Whitney, CAR - NMC

toastmasterbone

11-01-2009, 03:15 PM

At this juncture, I doubt the NTC matters -- who wouldn't want out? If you asked the Prodigal and the Avaricious in Dante's 4th level of hell* if they'd like to leave, I'm sure there would be many shoulder injuries from the force and velocity of hands being raised.

* Damnation of rolling boulders and weights against each other for eternity for those who lived a greedy life insatiably, hoarding everything but sharing nothing. Like the beer distributors in the RBC.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 03:28 PM

Good points Toast. At some point keeping wifey and kids happy has to take a back seat to complete torture 82 times a year.

I just went onto Ticket Exchange and listed a bunch of games for sale. I picked a lot of the canadian opponents thinking maybe those folks won't realize how much they are over paying for my seats, lol. Then again, if their team wins, maybe it's not overpaying? It worked for the Pens game - I sold those.

And I'm not really selling because we suck, I had every intention to sell a lot of games because we really can't manage 26 games easily. I just decided I better try and ditch the Canadian opponents where I have a shot in hell of selling instead of thinking someone might actually pay $50 for a Panthers or Thrashers game. :lol:

So - anyone that listened to the 3rd or post game, is the thinking that Staal's injury is new, or he they just figured why bother and let him rest a nagging injury?

BTW, aren't we overdue (already) for a P.O.O.P. and P.O.O.L. thread? I know we're only 1 POOL....and the Leafs get a chance to put us in last before our next game right?

kermelbar

11-01-2009, 03:39 PM

On the Aftermath, the jaw-dropping statistic is that to make it to the playoffs, we need 95 points -- to get that, we need to win 44 and lose no more than 25 of the remaining games.

We are so f*cked. And it ain't right.

ecrane

11-01-2009, 03:41 PM

well, there's this....

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Southeast/Hurricanes.html

nccanes

11-01-2009, 03:41 PM

On the Aftermath, the jaw-dropping statistic is that to make it to the playoffs, we need 95 points -- to get that, we need to win 44 and lose no more than 25 of the remaining games.

Which is why we're at critical mass again. JR can give up his dream of another run with a "better" team and just take on the rebuild this year instead of next.

He's got some hard decisions to make and some miraculous deals to find. But he's gotta slash the payroll because this year is gonna hurt.

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 03:42 PM

I don't have much to say upon arrival back to my warm house. I lay all this sh** on the Coach. (there I said it)

I don't have much to comment on about this game- other than DAMN my Sharkies look even better in person. But I'm gonna say this:

That bull**** bunch of SH** that happened between Joni and AWard -back and forth bull crap on who was gonna go up ice, who was gonna carry the f'ing puck? Aaron Ward, I blame that mess on you. And then I blame Tom Rowe, McCarthy and The Coach. Whatever the hell is wrong between those two lack of chemistry fools, FIX IT. Aaron is a veteran player, to be out there arguing? WTH and WTF? it's just friggin bushleague, and I am ILL that I witnessed that.

My husband spotted Rutherford walking out of his suite when it went 4-1. He better have been on the horn working to fix this.

God bless you Brandon Sutter. Someone call your boy Zach Boychuk up and whatever those coaches wanna do with the rest of them, f-off and do it.

San Jose can't leave out of their local airport because of the city ordinances in SJ, so they had to travel all day yesterday and this was all we could come up with. Fragile to a fault when all goes wrong.

Welcome back Cole and #15. and it's a damn shame that #13 had to have this "day" like this. Also as an aside, I thought we did "more" when Rod got to his 1,000 games- like wasn't his family on the ice and all that? Seems he got the short stick, pardon the pun.

Oh practice is gonna be a beaut, They spent the end of last week doing 'basic fundamental' type workouts and there was NO flow in the practices. This week should be a real party. :eyeroll

nccanes

11-01-2009, 03:43 PM

Welcome back Cole and #15. and it's a damn shame that #13 had to have this "day" like this. Also as an aside, I thought we did "more" when Rod got to his 1,000 games- like wasn't his family on the ice and all that? Seems he got the short stick, pardon the pun.

I was thinking that too, but then thought it was his 1500th game. Although I doubt Ray was up for any hoo-ha given the situation anyway.

guinevere

11-01-2009, 03:43 PM

Its unbelievable how much of a turn happened over the summer or was the last of last year and the playoffs just a fluke. There is so much disassociation between the players they might as well each have their own coach and their own agenda. No cohesion ,no teamwork - nothing. Sickening.

Fernando da Silva

11-01-2009, 03:45 PM

It's only me or this team ust can't play without Cole and Ruutu?

Kat

11-01-2009, 03:45 PM

E, you made a very good point. Off to look at the remaining games in the 12-pack and assess the possibilities of the interest in the opposing team...

goalie33

11-01-2009, 03:46 PM

Did Jay Harrison go to college? Is his degree in standing around? All pylon jokes about Hedican and Kaberle aside, Harrison is more of a pylon than any defenseman I can think of at the moment.

KaniacFever

11-01-2009, 03:50 PM

I usually wait and give 20-25 games, but let the firesale begin. All these veteran free agents we've got, need a new home. Although, I can't for the life of me figure out who would want them, maybe Cullen and Whitney. And I don't like calling Brind'Amour out but I've now nicknamed him the 'Anchor', I just can't help but think he's bringing this team down. This team needs a f*ckin leader to step up and tell these f*ckers to get their damn heads out of their collective a$$es.

As for Staal, they are saying upper body, so I assume its a new injury. I was thinking maybe they were trying to re-enact last year's game in San Jose.

Its a damn shame when the 19 year old kid is the only f*cking one who can score. And I'm about damn sick of giving up 2 goals in a minute.

Something has got to give, but I don't know what. I have finally reached the point of frustration. But my dumbass will continue to watch these fools, cause they really can't go 82 games and only win 2. There's atleast 1 more win there and I ain't gonna miss it :lol:

c-girl

11-01-2009, 03:52 PM

I think there will be at least one major change within a week. I have no clue what but they have to do something.

I think Ruutu is hesitant to hit anybody now. Nobody wants to rush the net. Passing? Forget it. Nobody can pass. Capitalizing on the opponents mistakes (not that there are many but some do exist from time to time)? They just can't seem to do it.

It was concerning how empty the lower bowl looked at the beginning of the game and even worst before the end.

Forslund said on the post-game show that Eric's problem is on-going and nagging. No additional clues as to what it is.

KaniacFever

11-01-2009, 03:54 PM

That bull**** bunch of SH** that happened between Joni and AWard -back and forth bull crap on who was gonna go up ice, who was gonna carry the f'ing puck? Aaron Ward, I blame that mess on you. And then I blame Tom Rowe, McCarthy and The Coach. Whatever the hell is wrong between those two lack of chemistry fools, FIX IT. Aaron is a veteran player, to be out there arguing? WTH and WTF? it's just friggin bushleague, and I am ILL that I witnessed that.

OMG that was brutal. I don't know WTH is going on with AWard, but he's just been brutal.

ETA: You know its bad when people are cheering when its announced that there's a minute left.

superdave

11-01-2009, 03:55 PM

Which is why we're at critical mass again. JR can give up his dream of another run with a "better" team and just take on the rebuild this year instead of next.

He's got some hard decisions to make and some miraculous deals to find. But he's gotta slash the payroll because this year is gonna hurt.

I'd entertain trade offers on anybody, and I mean anybody. If I could cut payroll this season and still field a respectable team, I'd do it. I'd even consider Staal and Ward IF I got enough value in return. It's Rat time and trade time. I don't think this season can be salvaged.

Attendance is going to crash through the floor and it's going to be rough.

guinevere

11-01-2009, 03:56 PM

^^Maybe Walker needs to punch him again to reset?

nccanes

11-01-2009, 03:58 PM

OMG that was brutal. I don't know WTH is going on with AWard, but he's just been brutal.

It was like Chip and Dale...those chipmunks. "You". "No, after you". "No really, after you". I was waiting for them to ditch the puck and just start an argument out on the ice.

goalie33

11-01-2009, 03:59 PM

I think Ruutu is hesitant to hit anybody now.

I'd disagree, 'cause he tried to board someone else in exactly the same position he hit Tucker from.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 03:59 PM

I'd entertain trade offers on anybody, and I mean anybody. If I could cut payroll this season and still field a respectable team, I'd do it. I'd even consider Staal and Ward IF I got enough value in return. It's Rat time and trade time. I don't think this season can be salvaged.

Attendance is going to crash through the floor and it's going to be rough.

He's never going to rid Staal and Ward, but I bet anyone else is available (other than Sutter this week, lol). He said we could do a "quick rebuild" with those guys so I say he better get crackin'.

guinevere

11-01-2009, 03:59 PM

It was like Chip and Dale...those chipmunks. "You". "No, after you". "No really, after you". I was waiting for them to ditch the puck and just start an argument out on the ice.

OMG- really? I'm so sorry I sold my tickets to Caveman but not so sorry I didnt go.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 04:00 PM

Yeah, weirdest (and most disturbing) moment of the game was absolutely the lovers' quarrel between AWard and Pitkanen in the first. I mean WTH. :crazy: I can't ever remember seeing anything like that. Seems to pretty well sum up the team.

I personally thought the Sharks looked like crap for much of the game. Seriously, I thought we were playing pretty well until we scored. Then it was like we woke them up and bam....we look slow and stupid....as usual. And it became totally obvious to me just how off their game was for the first half.

The only player that can get anything going offensively is also the only player that hasn't spent the whole year under Mo. Coincidence? I imagine he's about to get bag-skated for attempting to play with some speed. That's obviously not buying into the system. ;)

We need to go 44 and 25 to make the playoffs? Yeah, THAT'S amusing. And likely.

As much as I'd hate to see Cullen go before the season was even over, I'm on board with blowing this mess up. Maybe we can draft a freaking winger for the top line or a d-man who has a freaking clue on the PP.

c-girl

11-01-2009, 04:01 PM

I'd disagree, 'cause he tried to board someone else in exactly the same position he hit Tucker from.

Well I missed that one, then. I actually covered my eyes for much of the game. :) But it seemed to me that he missed several opportunities to lay a hit.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 04:02 PM

OMG- really? I'm so sorry I sold my tickets to Caveman but not so sorry I didnt go.

SERIOUSLY!!!! Joni was behind Cam's goal with the puck and AWard was on Joni's right on the half wall. They kept pointing like "go"...and then next one would gesture with his head like "go". And then a Shark would kinda float nearby (because I bet they had time for the entire 5 men to switch) and then it started again. At one point Jonie literally started pointing.

Then something exciting happened. AWard started to move and Joni sent the puck ALONG THE BOARDS from behind our net and a Shark got it at the blue line, skated in and put a puck on Cam.

The most bizarre thing I've ever seen.

They seemed to be discussing all the way back to the bench and much pointing and such. Eventually AWard patted Joni on the chest so I guess they had a truce.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 04:06 PM

^^Maybe Walker needs to punch him again to reset?

I think it would be worth a try.

BTW, anyone else hear MM saying on the post-game that no one wants to waive their NTC even if this is the 24th circle of hell because it's too easy to play here? Us fans just aren't doing enough to make life hell for them when they suck, evidently. I turned his dumba** off after that remark.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 04:07 PM

The only player that can get anything going offensively is also the only player that hasn't spent the whole year under Mo. Coincidence? I imagine he's about to get bag-skated for attempting to play with some speed. That's obviously not buying into the system. ;)

The only other time I thought "wow that's something different" was when Jussi had the puck in the first period and flew into the zone and to the net and got a shot off. Seriously it was the only time I felt like "someone is skating fast".

If anything like that happened in the 3rd I didn't see it as I was home.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 04:08 PM

MoBigRed

11-01-2009, 04:08 PM

BTW, aren't we overdue (already) for a P.O.O.P. and P.O.O.L. thread? I know we're only 1 POOL....and the Leafs get a chance to put us in last before our next game right?

I think this may be the earliest in the season i've ever had a request for one of those. Isn't it sad when a P.O.O.L. thread is more enjoyable than watching the Hurricanes do whatever the hell it is they're doing on the ice these days?

c-girl

11-01-2009, 04:08 PM

I think it would be worth a try.

BTW, anyone else hear MM saying on the post-game that no one wants to waive their NTC even if this is the 24th circle of hell because it's too easy to play here? Us fans just aren't doing enough to make life hell for them when they suck, evidently. I turned his dumba** off after that remark.

Apparently none of them read this board. :laugh:

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 04:09 PM

The only other time I thought "wow that's something different" was when Jussi had the puck in the first period and flew into the zone and to the net and got a shot off. Seriously it was the only time I felt like "someone is skating fast".

If anything like that happened in the 3rd I didn't see it as I was home.

No, that was about it. That one play by Jussi, Sutter, and a couple plays by Cole (which probably only looked fast because his linemates couldn't keep up) was the only speed I saw from anyone in red.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 04:09 PM

BTW, anyone else hear MM saying on the post-game that no one wants to waive their NTC even if this is the 24th circle of hell because it's too easy to play here? Us fans just aren't doing enough to make life hell for them when they suck, evidently. I turned his dumba** off after that remark.

:lol: You know he latches on to **** and that's the latest. I managed to hear him talking to TK about this and (as usual) TK commented about how he felt the fan here were really "behind us" rather than giving him **** when he drops his kids off at school.

Wonder why McCabe, Sundin, Kaberle didn't want to leave TO then? I'm sure McCabe really enjoyed being deemed "McKlutz" by the newspapers. :lol:

Kat

11-01-2009, 04:09 PM

SERIOUSLY!!!! Joni was behind Cam's goal with the puck and AWard was on Joni's right on the half wall. They kept pointing like "go"...and then next one would gesture with his head like "go". And then a Shark would kinda float nearby (because I bet they had time for the entire 5 men to switch) and then it started again. At one point Jonie literally started pointing.

Then something exciting happened. AWard started to move and Joni sent the puck ALONG THE BOARDS from behind our net and a Shark got it at the blue line, skated in and put a puck on Cam.

The most bizarre thing I've ever seen.

They seemed to be discussing all the way back to the bench and much pointing and such. Eventually AWard patted Joni on the chest so I guess they had a truce.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Joni's English a bit sketchy?

Yes, that was brutal. Even the SJ announcers (the feed was still working then) were like WTH?

Thankfully the feed cut up immediately before the first goal. Mercy, I call that.

I don't know what we need to do, but I completely agree about Anchor w/re to Brindy. Covered in seaweed.

livinthedream

11-01-2009, 04:11 PM

EPIC.F*CKING.FAILURE

toastmasterbone

11-01-2009, 04:13 PM

When nothing's working right, I don't know that we need to start all over again (not that I'd really mind), even if the season is pretty much a wash. This team treats success and failure like a communicable disease -- if something goes hot, the team gets hot; if a wheel falls off, the team rushes to remove the other 3 wheels.

Get one line going, and I think we can get somewhere. Bench who you have to, get Sutter centering Boychuk and maybe Ruutu as a second (or first) line and see if we can't get an energy boost. Sure, they'd draw a harder defensive match up, but skates plus exhuberance > skates plus doldrums. If they can't pot a few, trade and tank.

superdave

11-01-2009, 04:16 PM

He's never going to rid Staal and Ward, but I bet anyone else is available (other than Sutter this week, lol). He said we could do a "quick rebuild" with those guys so I say he better get crackin'.

Yeah, I know Staal and Ward won't be traded, but I'd pick the phone up and listen for "s*its and giggles". Sutter and the Rats stay, but anybody else would be fair game. The only way to keep the natives from getting more restless is to see the future be bright. If we are going to be in the 1st draft choice run, let's make it worth our while.

Thankfully, I didn't see this one. Like I said before, Divine intervention. I hope my choir performance goes a little better than the Canes.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 04:17 PM

I can see Toast's point.

We all hear all the hot-air about how balanced we are, how deep we are. You know, maybe in part we still have a team built for Lavi but we aren't playing a Lavi style.

At our best under Lavi we played balanced....we rolled four lines at you. That was the relentless. It just came in wave after wave.

Now, we are still supposed to have all that balance but we don't play balanced. Our ice time is extremely lop-sided and we hardly ever see the 4th line. I want him to stay but, Sutter needs more ice time. Kostopoulus and Yelle need more ice time, hell, maybe Rosie needs more ice time. Maybe if we played balanced everyone could get it going and any of our older players who are getting huge minutes would be helped a bit.

But f*ck it. Until they start showing up it really doesn't matter.

kermelbar

11-01-2009, 04:19 PM

For the first time ever, the girls and I discussed leaving early (after it went 5-1) and actually had a plan -- 4:00 p.m., Cam got pulled or it went 6-1, whichever happened first. The game ended around 3:57, of course.

Anyone know if the team did any team-building stuff like Lavi used to do? Not that I expect Mo to do the same things Lavi did, but, f*ck, something needs to be done to gel these guys.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 04:20 PM

Anyone know if the team did any team-building stuff like Lavi used to do? Not that I expect Mo to do the same things Lavi did, but, f*ck, something needs to be done to gel these guys.

I think they should start with taping each other's buns together.

livinthedream

11-01-2009, 04:20 PM

We all hear all the hot-air about how balanced we are, how deep we are. You know, maybe in part we still have a team built for Lavi but we aren't playing a Lavi style.

At our best under Lavi we played balanced....we rolled four lines at you. That was the relentless. It just came in wave after wave.

Now, we are still supposed to have all that balance but we don't play balanced. Our ice time is extremely lop-sided and we hardly ever see the 4th line. I want him to stay but, Sutter needs more ice time. Kostopoulus and Yelle need more ice time, hell, maybe Rosie needs more ice time. Maybe if we played balanced everyone could get it going and any of our older players who are getting huge minutes would be helped a bit.

Not sure if you listened to the f*cking post-game show (I read everyone's comments quickly so you may have been one that turned it off early), but Forslund brought up exactly this same point. Even mentioned Sutter and Kostopoulos specifically.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 04:21 PM

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 04:22 PM

Not sure if you listened to the f*cking post-game show (I read everyone's comments quickly so you may have been one to turn off early), but Forslund brought up exactly this same point. Even mentioned Sutter and Kostopoulos specifically.

Actually, I didn't LOL (MM pissed me off before I even got to Edwards Mill). Apparently we're on the same page. It stuck out like a sore thumb to me today when Sutter and Kostopoulos were obviously looking better than about anyone else but they didn't seem to be getting much more time. That and we were discussing the total lack of an "energy" line this year when you thought for sure Yelle and Kostopoulos would be a great one.

livinthedream

11-01-2009, 04:27 PM

LOL He said that too.

Convert

11-01-2009, 04:28 PM

Stayed home for this one as my son and daughter went.

The play with Joni and Award was pitiful. then the next time we get the puck..Corvo behind the net---does the same thing..hard up the boards, San Jose grabs it inside the blueline and it goes from there.

Other thoughts:

1. I wonder what Tripp would have said about Cam ward today--talk about a soft first goal.

2. Chad looks better on the 4th line than the 1st.

3. Cole looked pretty good. Ruutu looked tenative.

4. Overall, we played better in this one than a lot of others lately.

SoCal--on the San Jose feed they said the sharks are staying here and practicing at the RBC tomorrow. Not sure if you plan to head out or if they'll let you watch them, but I'd love to hear your comparison of their practice to our typical practices.

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 04:28 PM

Kat- yes, Joni's english is sketchy.

I'm not letting the Joni/Aaron thing go cause that just infuriated me. Regardless of the result, it would seem to me, that the veteran player take control of the situation and not f'ing ARGUE with the dude. What made it even worse after the sequence ended --- and I don't care if the love tapped each other or what, Ward went right over to Tom Rowe, who clearly was trying to calm his ass down, and it appeared like a child whining about his brother or some irritant. I Tivo'd the SJ broadcast, so I'm dying to hear what Randy and Drew had to say about the whole thing. We had a newbie in the row in front of us, who was literally 'learning the game' at this particular game. He heard me swearing up a storm at #25 and #4 over this, and he turned to hub and said "I've been trying to learn as I go here, as I'm new to all this hockey stuff, but I'm guessing by the way your wife is right now, those two should be benched". :lol:

After I shook myself from my poor behavior, I actually went to get them a drink and a popcorn to apologize. I have never been so ticked off in my life at a game. I've been steamed, disgusted, etc.etc. but I completely lost it.

Back to the team and this game - we're so in over our heads, it's not even funny. We have to have FUNDAMENTALS down, and we don't. SHC is right, SJ wasn't really "playing SJ Sharks hockey" until after we scored and they woke the hell up. They weren't doing their usual stuff out there but we were standing toe-to-toe, until they tied it, then we sagged, then we sagged some more, and SJ said well, we got them and got their travel legs out of the way, and were back to what they do. It's almost a rope a dope with the Sharks and their 3rd and 4th line guys were responsible for the first 3 goals. It wasn't even the high end players until later when they woke up. That's the difference between us and them.

MEBANECANESFAN

11-01-2009, 04:29 PM

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 04:30 PM

Sutter and LaRose had 11 minutes+ and TK almost 10. Only Cole had 20 minutes, everyone else had less. I don't think it's gonna get much more balanced than that. Of course, you could swap Brindy's 18 for Sutter's 11, but in general this was game was pretty balanced.

They didn't come at them in waves....maybe just like more balanced ripples. :lol:

I think the balance today pretty much didn't come until the third. Haven't looked at any numbers but that's my feel. And knocking a third of Staal's time off didn't hurt, either.

Besides, coming at the Sharks in waves wouldn't have helped anyway. They're used to that. :lol:

KaniacFever

11-01-2009, 04:35 PM

What happened between them and when? We didn't see anything on TV

First period. Joni was behind the net and Ward was off to the right side. Joni I guess was trying to get Ward to start skating out of the zone, but Ward just stayed there. So Joni started pointing, then Ward would point, back and forth and finally Joni threw it up the boards in disgust only for it to be picked off by a Sharkie and Cam had to make a save.

It was just brutal. And watching the whole sequence with both of them talking to Rowe at the sametime. It was like Rowe was breaking up a squable between two brothers. Its NOT a good sign when the team is bickering with each other.

Maybe we need to try Gleason back with Pitkanen.

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 04:46 PM

Maybe we need to try Gleason back with Pitkanen.

KF, you're the master of the understatement. :lol: If #6 isn't skating with Joni when he gets back, then we have even more problems.

That whole scene was beyond brutal.

Clearly the veteran bad-ass AWard isn't equipped to deal with Joni. I'm personally looking for signs of life from the supposed rock that we were re-acquiring. Maybe it's still in BOS.

I'll also add to KF's comment on the bickering. Was it not the woeful and joyless 2003 season when KAds and Hedican threw punches in practice? Or do I even have the right dudes in this one.....? Put it this way; that season was unbearably difficult, and right about now, this feels like a time warp.

Convert- Dang I'd love to see the Sharks practice, the open door policy that existed to watch the opponents practice died after 2006, so that's just a bummer. I imagine they're in a whole other league and I wouldn't know what I'm watching if I did get a chance to see it :- They're just a fun team to watch.. and one day soon they may just get over the postseason hump.

livinthedream

11-01-2009, 04:51 PM

No, KAds and Hedi had to have been after the Cup because I was around for that one.

ETA: http://www.letsgocanes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7305

MEBANECANESFAN

11-01-2009, 04:53 PM

I don't know how I missed that. I must have temporarily stepped out for that one. This team is in serious trouble when things like that are happening.

KaniacFever

11-01-2009, 05:00 PM

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 05:00 PM

No, KAds and Hedi had to have been after the Cup because I was around for that one.

ETA: http://www.letsgocanes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7305

I know we had a throwdown in 2003, It's just escaping me on who it was. I know KAds and EC fought just days before they lockout happened, but that was some stupid sh** at an informal practice. Now my heads gonna explode trying to remember 2003. :crazy:

Yep, The Guch, is hurt; and Little Joe (Pavelski) is still on the IR, ThankS God they weren't even in the lineup or it woulda been worse- if that's possible.

We've been outscored 11-2 in 2 damn games. Outstanding trending going on here.

I heard a good bit of the post game, did anyone else notice how disgusted JF sounded through most of the postgame? It's been building, but today you really could hear it.

RangersCanesFan

11-01-2009, 05:03 PM

So, Aaron Ward is pulling this **** in a place he wants to be?

I lost most of my respect for him after his antics in New York, but now ALL of it is gone. He's a VETERAN, he knows better than to start yelling at a teammate during a very bad stretch. Those actions should lead to his *** being benched if not shipped off to any bidder, a la the Rangers situation.

Considering he's taking a spot from a guy who popped in 16 from the blue line last year...Good riddance to bad trash.

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 05:09 PM

Is this crazy or what? The Ray Whitney to CGY rumor appears to have come from a MESSAGE BOARD; I got this link via tweet:

http://thenhlarena.com/index.php?showtopic=111707

KaniacFever

11-01-2009, 05:12 PM

Is this crazy or what? The Ray Whitney to CGY rumor appears to have come from a MESSAGE BOARD; I got this link via tweet:

http://thenhlarena.com/index.php?showtopic=111707

I love the Wizard, but the dude deserves much better than this crap we have going on right now. I totally wouldn't blame him if he waives his NMC, cause gawd knows I sure would :lol:

ETA: and to answer the one comment on there, yes we are throwing in the towel. :laugh:

nccanes

11-01-2009, 05:15 PM

I know we had a throwdown in 2003, It's just escaping me on who it was. I know KAds and EC fought just days before they lockout happened, but that was some stupid sh** at an informal practice. Now my heads gonna explode trying to remember 2003. :crazy:

I believe that one was Brindy and CAdams and they were laughing it off later in the day, iirc. For whatever reason, the KAds/Hedican one seemed different.

So, Aaron Ward is pulling this **** in a place he wants to be?

I lost most of my respect for him after his antics in New York, but now ALL of it is gone. He's a VETERAN, he knows better than to start yelling at a teammate during a very bad stretch. Those actions should lead to his *** being benched if not shipped off to any bidder, a la the Rangers situation.

Considering he's taking a spot from a guy who popped in 16 from the blue line last year...Good riddance to bad trash.

Um, you weren't at the game right? I wonder how you dump all of this on AWard when we don't even know what the miscommunication/squabble was, we don't even know who was right, and we have NO IDEA what was said on the bench.

Obviously some people saw it differently that WERE at the game but by my observation at the stoppage Ward went up to Joni ON THE ICE and they talked/chatted/communicated and Ward patted him on the chest BEFORE they even left the ice. Perhaps something lingered on at the bench but we are all just speculating aren't we?

Aaron Ward was a huge part of the Canes run in '02 and '06. He was very much appreciated by fans and his teammates in Boston. Sure, he had a bad run of things in NY didn't he? But remind me again who he butted heads with? And where is he now?

I totally agree that seeing that level of misunderstanding on the ice is not a good sign, but to project that into him "yelling at him" is not what I observed.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 05:18 PM

^ Thanks for saying that more calmly than I was about to.

#1 on the list of things Canes fans on a Canes board don't need/want to hear right now: constant criticism of their team/players/broadcaster/building/fans/whatever from a Rangers/Sabres/Pens/whoever fan. Thanks.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 05:19 PM

Is this crazy or what? The Ray Whitney to CGY rumor appears to have come from a MESSAGE BOARD; I got this link via tweet:

http://thenhlarena.com/index.php?showtopic=111707

The mentions from yesterday here were from your favorite rumor monger....Eklund. It was E3-E4. :lol:

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 05:21 PM

The mentions from yesterday here were from your favorite rumor monger....Eklund. It was E3-E4. :lol:

But would be E5 by the end of the day, right? I think that's what I remember. :lol:

livinthedream

11-01-2009, 05:22 PM

Coincidentally Eklund's "rumor" also came out shortly after Cory posted an article on Canes Country discussing a completely hypothetical situation. There was also some fantasy trade talk going on over at HFBoards that he probably read as well.

ETA: And for those who don't tweet:

The Wizard greeting the fans at the RBCC (I didn't tweet this one)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3511/4065574389_4a4cd71b5d.jpg

The Wizard watching Munchkins serenade him on the videoboard
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2597/4066324258_e020ede50c.jpg

JR presents the silver stick
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/4065575567_22ecb6c061.jpg

Brindy and Staaly present the silver watch
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3517/4066326320_59656e13b1.jpg

c-girl

11-01-2009, 05:25 PM

^I was just going to say that. The MB post was this afternoon so I believe they picked it up from Eklund's post yesterday who I believe took the Canes Country article (merely suggesting that Ray be traded) two days prior and turned it into a full-on rumor. Because you know that's what Eklund does - steals things and adds to it or, if all else fails, he Makes Sh!t Up.

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 05:27 PM

:lol: OMG. E5. :lol: ^ & ^^

Re: the lovers quarrel - Joni/Aaron thing, yes it was my perception that those two are not on the same page. That's my deal and my comments are me projecting and being ticked at their lack of chemistry; and my perception (and it's mine alone) that Aaron doesn't feel inclined to play with Joni for whatever reason, and it's just pure suckage. Again, these are my opinions and my perception. What my bigger issue was, was the fact that they were ARGUING when they could have been up the ice.

Nice Twitpics LTD. They look great. Def. highlights of the evening.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 05:32 PM

Oh - I meant to ask. How many of you wondered if the Sharks would score before Hoyle had a chance to announce Sutter's goal? I didn't make note of the clock time, so I thought "hmmm wonder if he'll get to announce it before they score" and **** if it didn't happen WHILE he was announcing it. Same deal on the 2nd Sharks goal....in the net before he was done announcing.

goalie33

11-01-2009, 05:36 PM

AWard's squabbles aside, holy schnike he was slow today. I especially liked it when he let Heatley skate by, slashed him three times instead of trying to catch up, still let him get a shot off, and then pushed him into Cam. Wonderful defending.

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 05:44 PM

G33 that's my other issue too. Sloooooow as molasses but there are others.

E, it takes Hoyle longer and longer to get out the goals. Watching a ton of other teams and games, it's like seconds after the goals are scored (PIT, SJ, CLB to name a couple) and people are still clapping and cheering. Here, it's like a slow boat to China. And don't even get me started on how many frickin' times we see a "scoring change" in the next period after goals were scored.

ETA: So Luke chimes in and says:

Canes Falling Apart (http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/hockey/story/169868.html)

and clearly he noticed it before Chip ever could:

Even before giving up two goals in 82 seconds Sunday, mere moments after scoring the game's first goal, the cracks in the facade were in plain view as the celebration of Ray Whitney's 1,000th game became an exhibition of why the Hurricanes are the second-worst team in the NHL and have the fewest points in franchise history through 13 games.

Five minutes into the 5-1 loss to the San Jose Sharks, as the Hurricanes tried to get in position for a controlled breakout, Joni Pitkanen got tired of waiting behind the net for his teammates to get into position. He fired the puck up the boards and out of the zone, throwing it away in an indictment of the Hurricanes' grasp of the basics of the game, from teamwork to effort to passing to patience, as they failed to execute one of the most routine plays in hockey.

It was not an isolated incident. In the second period, a lone San Jose forechecker provoked Niclas Wallin and Joe Corvo into icing the puck. That defensive pair would later make a fundamental coverage mistake, but so would the other two.

goalie33

11-01-2009, 05:50 PM

I've never understood why it takes so long. I assume he's at least paying a little attention to the game, so he should have a bit of an idea who's scored...then the ref skates over and tells them the numbers and I'm sure he has a sheet with names on it. It shouldn't take any more than 15 seconds after the puck drop to get it out.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-01-2009, 05:58 PM

I've never understood why it takes so long. I assume he's at least paying a little attention to the game,

There's your first mistake......

KaniacFever

11-01-2009, 06:03 PM

Nice pics LTD. Those are defintly nice, unlike the aftermath we witnessed.

SoCal, I'm still laughing at the Joni/AWard thing. I shouldn't be laughing, but it seriously sums everything up to date. My perception was aruging as well. Of course I could be totally wrong, but going to the bench and both going to Rowe what looked like two brothers tattling on each other to daddy, is just too much.

apolinar

11-01-2009, 06:13 PM

Most of my stuff is reiterations of what's said above, and I've only personally been to two games (This was my second) and this is what I see...

1. The staal injury: From what I recall he was behind play and had both arms up and a shark lightly tapped him right on the left ribs and he hunched over to grab his breath before faceoff. Me thinks he has broken ribs already and is nursing them but playing through them. Just conjecture from my observation

2. Can we pull cam to save him for the next game when it gets like this over and over so the guys get smacked in the head it's time to play?

3. No chitter chatter between players anymore. Bad chitter chatter yes (Ward pitkanen) but no banter or huddling to set up plays

4. Agree with Kermel... No team building exercises whatsoever in a curtailed camp season is bad for this team

5. They've lost the crowd to a severe degree. That was the quietest I had ever heard the building after the 2 goals. I could hear mice poop at that moment. And for such dismal stuff, they found the happiest people ever on the j-tron! As if we were winning 5-1!

6. Some moments of greatness and Nabokov and the pipes did some great goaltending so I will give the team THAT

7. Canesvision is not congruent with the crowd at all anymore. Must be new j-tron heebie jeebies but nothing they do is able to get the crowd going anymore currently and that sucks. IT really does feel like the greensboro years in that arena right now. The first level should have had the black tarp though.

Convert

11-01-2009, 06:19 PM

Convert- Dang I'd love to see the Sharks practice, the open door policy that existed to watch the opponents practice died after 2006, so that's just a bummer. I imagine they're in a whole other league and I wouldn't know what I'm watching if I did get a chance to see it :- They're just a fun team to watch.. and one day soon they may just get over the postseason hump.

I figured you would want to see them...that was also part of me bringing it up...maybe you can find a way in....

On the game...I'm continuing to go the conditioning route as well. We took 3 bad/lazy penalties in the 3rd---not the way to mount a comeback.

On TV, we could only see Joni pointing at Award and them talking after the play, but I knew it was bad....

On the Boston broadcast, the mentioned that teams are taking away the d-to-d pass that Boston likes to use to create some room when getting it out of the zone...maybe we need to try something different to (even if that means learning how to pass tape to tape again).

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 06:20 PM

Great observations Art, esp. on the Staal injury. JF said in the post game it's "Something of concern" and then kinda said he might be able to fight through it, hmmm. He's been trying that and it's not working.

Re: the building atmosphere- it was woefully quiet in there. I thought it was due to the 1:30 crowd/start, and the fact it sucks to play a game on a Sunday after lunchtime. :crazy: I was about to turn on the Sharks broadcast just to see the Joni/Aaron thing on TV, and laughed at Hahn and Remenda saying "grab your coffee and eggs and watch some early hockey". yeah, considering it was 10:30 in the morning back in CA.

So odd the way the UL was completely full and then areas in the LL that were lacking. Then I realized they did the $13 tix up there. But I won't say anything ever after seeing PHX last night w/ the 6K people in their rink for the second straight Saturday. That was scary.

Convert

11-01-2009, 06:20 PM

Speaking of the sharks, is Devin Setoguchi (sp) injured. I didn't see him today. I haven't been following the other teams as much as I'd like to up to this point.

Yes, he got hurt a few games ago and is expected back soon---my fantasy team(s) expect him back soon as well.

puck_it

11-01-2009, 06:21 PM

i might start rooting for the islanders now. at least that bad team has kids that want to win.

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 06:23 PM

So #8 for the Caps got hurt during tonight's game. They say it's a shoulder. I saw a few tweets from those at the game. Apparently didn't look very good. Not that it matters much for us, not like we're closing in on the Caps or anything.

goalie33

11-01-2009, 06:35 PM

AWard/Joni thing for those who didn't see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whugiMgbSV4

puck_it

11-01-2009, 06:37 PM

wow. tahts ****ing pathetic.

i dont even think that happens in beer league.

MEBANECANESFAN

11-01-2009, 06:40 PM

AWard/Joni thing for those who didn't see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whugiMgbSV4

How the hell did I miss that!!...That's reallllly bad....To go along with today's theme...That's F*@king bad!!!

cmw00

11-01-2009, 06:59 PM

Fire Maurice and trade as many veterans as we can. Bring in 2-3 more goons, and start over.

SoCalcaniac

11-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Oh, yes, as goons would do alot right about now. :crazy: Firing the coach, now that's not for me to say :- but whatever ya'll think is best.

Convert

11-01-2009, 07:10 PM

Oh, yes, as goons would do alot right about now. :crazy: Firing the coach, now that's not for me to say :- but whatever ya'll think is best.

If our goons could keep up with the Sharks' goons (Stabitz and Shelley), we might be able to score more than 1 a game :)

I guess I'm already to the point where I was the middle of last year....sort of forcing myself not to care a lot, because I did not think the players were. When they fired Lavi and brought back Mo, my level of not caring increased. As they went on the run, I was sort of happily-ambivalent. It was great to see, but even through the play-offs, I never really believed and was waiting for the other shoe to drop. It did against Pittsburgh.

Then I thought that would teach these guys that they have to play as a team in both ends, I was reasonably happy with the off-season moves on defense. I would have preferred a scoring winger to signing both Chad and Cole, but that is life.

The first few games, we did not look that bad, just could not score. Now we look bad and can't score and the hockey is sort of boring. I gotta say Cole does add some excitement--he looked good today (on TV).

But I'm back in the camp of this team being a bunch of guys who mostly like each other, like the area, like getting paid, etc. They don't feel like guys that have something to prove or a team that really wants to win.

And with the Joni/AWard thing and just the general sloppy play, its back on the coach. Boot him upstairs, put Rowe in as the head coach and see what happens.

KaniacFever

11-01-2009, 07:12 PM

Fire Maurice and trade as many veterans as we can. Bring in 2-3 more goons, and start over.

As far as sending Mo out the door again, don't get your hopes up. I just don't see JR firing his buddy again this early in the season. Not to mention then paying 3 coaches, 2 of whom who would be sitting at home. When Tom Renney was let go by the Rangers I was hoping all against hope that we would bring him in. But we unfortunetly I believe are stuck with this coaching staff for the time being.

I'm for trading the veterans, but bringing in goons ain't the way to go. JR thought he would go for it all this year, then when those veterans contracts expiring, go with the youth next year. Maybe the youth just needs to come in a year earlier. But bringing in goons is not the answer. I'd rather bring in the kids, who likely won't win many games either, but atleast they'll be entertaing and have some freakin speed.

Then again, sending the vets out and brining the kids in is alot easier said than done.

nccanes

11-01-2009, 07:13 PM

I don't suspect JR would fire Mo. I suspect he'd stash him somewhere doing something and either Rowe or Ronnie gets the reins.

I don't think cmw was serious about the goons, I think he just meant cheap labor. :lol:

caveman

11-01-2009, 07:27 PM

At least cavetoddler had a good time. His first Slap Shot Sunday which didn't end in him running, screaming from being that close to Stormy.

Convert

11-01-2009, 07:41 PM

One other thing I meant to bring up...

One of our scoring problems is guys without the puck don't make enough effort to get into dangerous scoring positions (of course, if they did, we'd still have to make a pass).

In the Boston-Rangers game today, there was something of a breakaway for the Rangers--either 3 on 2 or maybe Boston had 3 back. Gaborik (who was back) was skating in without the puck and decided to stop in the middle of the ice, near the top of the circles. The guy on him did not stop, Prospal with a pass, Gaborik one timer ..1-0 Rangers (only goal in the game).

It is so rare to see the Canes do something like these whether on breakaways, cycling, powerplay, or whatever.

It was a little thing by Gaborik, but it was fantastic in its simplicity.

cmw00

11-01-2009, 07:51 PM

I don't think cmw was serious about the goons, I think he just meant cheap labor. :lol:

Cheap labor and "protection" for the kids I'd have in the lineup. Now that I think about it 2-3 is an overstatement. Maybe just 1 pure goon :lol:

puck_it

11-01-2009, 08:38 PM

this season is just an abomination so far. I dont know what the solution is.

I wasnt fond of giving maurice a three year deal. especially given we gave a Stanley Cup winning coach a deal and fired him in a fairly short time. maurice came up two trophies short and was still rewarded handsomely. Not to discredit what the team did last year, but i think the contract was a big time gamble, especially given that he hadnt had a training camp to brainwash people yet. and what do you know, it's not panning out.

so where does this leave us??? well, i think we're stuck in a situation where Rutherford needs to watch his back. I'm not calling for his head, but given the fact that Karmanos was as pissed as he was, and got personally involved with a personnel hockey level issue... i'd bet he'd be pretty pissed off at the teams performance, whether the issue at fault is locking up maurice in the stupid contract, or the players just arent very good. either way, if i were an owner, i'd be pretty ****ing pissed off and embarassed. It doesnt take long to think of what happens when owners get pissed continually at the way the team is doing....

because of all that, JR better find a solution. and FAST.

Kat

11-01-2009, 09:16 PM

Kat- yes, Joni's english is sketchy.

I'm not letting the Joni/Aaron thing go cause that just infuriated me. Regardless of the result, it would seem to me, that the veteran player take control of the situation and not f'ing ARGUE with the dude. What made it even worse after the sequence ended --- and I don't care if the love tapped each other or what, Ward went right over to Tom Rowe, who clearly was trying to calm his ass down, and it appeared like a child whining about his brother or some irritant. I Tivo'd the SJ broadcast, so I'm dying to hear what Randy and Drew had to say about the whole thing. We had a newbie in the row in front of us, who was literally 'learning the game' at this particular game. He heard me swearing up a storm at #25 and #4 over this, and he turned to hub and said "I've been trying to learn as I go here, as I'm new to all this hockey stuff, but I'm guessing by the way your wife is right now, those two should be benched". :lol:

Thanks! My life has gotten crazy lately and I haven't been paying as much attn as I used to (then again, considering this season so far, maybe that is also a blessing!).

That story made me LOL. :lol:

What happened between them and when? We didn't see anything on TV

How the hell did I miss that!!...That's reallllly bad....To go along with today's theme...That's F*@king bad!!!

Yeah, it was definitely on the (bad) internet feed of the SJ broadcast that I was watching.

What is the running total on the 2-goals-in-less-than-2-min games? Can we add that stat to the P.O.O.L? :crazy:

Bob-in-Alberta

11-01-2009, 09:29 PM

sad. sad .sad

kermelbar

11-01-2009, 09:34 PM

11-01-2009, 09:38 PM

Its unbelievable how much of a turn happened over the summer or was the last of last year and the playoffs just a fluke.

The last month of the season was a fluke. During most of the regular season and the playoffs, we struggled to score & our D stunk. We beat NJ on a miracle, & Boston on a OT goal. The run at the end of the reg. season & making the ECF gave everyone a false sense of how good this team is. With our personnel, we shouldn't be a contender, but we should be a playoff team. We are still under-achieving by far.

I'd entertain trade offers on anybody, and I mean anybody. If I could cut payroll this season and still field a respectable team, I'd do it. I'd even consider Staal and Ward IF I got enough value in return. It's Rat time and trade time. I don't think this season can be salvaged.

Attendance is going to crash through the floor and it's going to be rough.

Yes, I'm afraid it is time for a shake-up. The problem is, we are handcuffed by a bunch of overly generous and/or long-term deals & NTC's. This is precisely why I always question long-term contracts, NTC's, and contracts given based on 1 good season. Sports are unpredictable, and you want to leave yourself with as much flexibility as possible. Whitney & Cullen are the only 2 guys that anybody might want. I just hope we're not agonizing over the Staal/Ward deals for the next 7 yrs...No one will take their contracts if they play like this.

Sutter...had 11 minutes

Actually, I didn't LOL (MM pissed me off before I even got to Edwards Mill). Apparently we're on the same page. It stuck out like a sore thumb to me today when Sutter and Kostopoulos were obviously looking better than about anyone else but they didn't seem to be getting much more time. That and we were discussing the total lack of an "energy" line this year when you thought for sure Yelle and Kostopoulos would be a great one.

If I had no other reason to question our coaching staff, I'd still be irate that the only guy who consistently skated & looked sharp today (also the only guy who scored for us over the past two games) played so little while a bunch of HEARTLESS veterans moped around all afternoon.

1. I wonder what Tripp would have said about Cam ward today--talk about a soft first goal.

Thank you. The building exploded after Sutter's goal, & Ward's softy killed any fragile momentum we had. If this game were the entire sample set to judge Ward on from the past 10 months, I wonder if Tripp would think he were "not even a #2."

Um, you weren't at the game right? I wonder how you dump all of this on AWard when we don't even know what the miscommunication/squabble was, we don't even know who was right, and we have NO IDEA what was said on the bench.

I couldn't possible care less if Wardo & Joni were yelling at each other. Actually, that would be an encouraging sign, perhaps signifying that someone is growing tired of being humiliated game after game & singing Kumbaya to the media & fans.

I wasnt fond of giving maurice a three year deal. especially given we gave a Stanley Cup winning coach a deal and fired him in a fairly short time. maurice came up two trophies short and was still rewarded handsomely. Not to discredit what the team did last year, but i think the contract was a big time gamble, especially given that he hadnt had a training camp to brainwash people yet. and what do you know, it's not panning out.

so where does this leave us??? well, i think we're stuck in a situation where Rutherford needs to watch his back. I'm not calling for his head, but given the fact that Karmanos was as pissed as he was, and got personally involved with a personnel hockey level issue... i'd bet he'd be pretty pissed off at the teams performance, whether the issue at fault is locking up maurice in the stupid contract, or the players just arent very good. either way, if i were an owner, i'd be pretty ****ing pissed off and embarassed. It doesnt take long to think of what happens when owners get pissed continually at the way the team is doing....

because of all that, JR better find a solution. and FAST.

Exactly- on both points. With long term deals for coaches and players, especially based on limited sample sets, RISK>>>>>>>REWARD. As for JR, he will never be canned. PK, JR, Mo- all of them- are like family. Which brings me back to what I've said before, that the sickening level of loyalty in this organization precludes us from digging ourselves out of messes. No one can get upset an anyone, no one is held accountable. Why is Mo back? Why is Brind'Amour still captain? Why is Staal's ice time unaffected by his play? Why do we give out NTC's like candy? And the list goes on & on...

ontheboards

11-01-2009, 09:56 PM

I viewed the Ward/Pitkanen situation as one of impatience compounded by poor communication. I think Luke DeCock was right-- this play was just emblematic of a complete breakdown of this team's inability to execute basic hockey fundamentals and basic plays. FWIW, AWard has been on winning teams far longer than Pitkanen has been in this league. AWard is the type of guy you want on your team-- he's struggling, but this guy's guts and hockey sense is why he's here. He called out Jagr for his selfish play-- Ward is a team player and will always be, which is part of the reason he and Walker could bury the hatchett quite quickly.

puck_it

11-01-2009, 10:53 PM

Exactly- on both points. With long term deals for coaches and players, especially based on limited sample sets, RISK>>>>>>>REWARD. As for JR, he will never be canned. PK, JR, Mo- all of them- are like family. Which brings me back to what I've said before, that the sickening level of loyalty in this organization precludes us from digging ourselves out of messes. No one can get upset an anyone, no one is held accountable. Why is Mo back? Why is Brind'Amour still captain? Why is Staal's ice time unaffected by his play? Why do we give out NTC's like candy? And the list goes on & on...
you say that... but maurice and rutherford are real tight, and he's been fired once before.

And most importantly... Karmanos didnt make a zillion dollars by being limp wristed. Ultimately, piss poor seasons hit him in the wallet. Money makes the world go round, and business is business. I dont think Rutherford is as immune as people think... maybe Karmanos will urge him to retire instead... who knows.

i'll be curious to see how things pan out. at this rate it wont be long until we see a major move. whether its players, coaching, or management.

caneshockeychick

11-01-2009, 11:13 PM

Just wanted to say that it sounds like everyone had a great time at the game yesterday :lol:

When I got to work it was 3-1 Canes. I figured that was no big deal. Surely they could get more on Ray "****ing Right" Whitney day ;)

Then, at about 3:20, the Canes fans started rolling in to the HT. I asked a few things and...well, got the gist that it wasn't so great. Saw the score when I went to dinner at 6pm :cry:

Again, I have nothing to say but I think this time, it's because it's all been said.

My heart is breaking.

Radioactive

11-02-2009, 05:08 AM

atlflames

11-02-2009, 07:03 AM

I just wanted to let everyone know that Tripp texted me last night and has an explanation for the Shark loss and the AWard/Joni incident:

IT'S ALL LEIGHTON'S FAULT !!

ButtersSaysNo

11-02-2009, 07:05 AM

This may have already been discussed, but I have not read this thread so I don't know if someone else has mentioned it.

In regards to Staal and C. Ward, is it possible that because they both want to make Team Canada so bad, that even without them focusing on that, that it is somewhere in the back of their minds, that they are overthinking what they are trying to do and as they like to say in hockey, gripping the stick too hard?

The whole team has issues, but Cam and Staal are both off their game. Just a thought, though maybe a dumb one.

ButtersSaysNo

11-02-2009, 07:10 AM

Two other complaints I forgot about. (Hey, if we're kvetching, why stop at just the alleged playing? =.)

1. Don't put me on the effing Jumbotron when I'm eating!

2. Am I the only one annoyed when K. Fritsch drags out "free"? We get it. You can hit and hold the note.

SC06 and I were in Boston a few weeks ago for the BC/Pack game. After hearing a woman up there sign the worst version of the National Anthem since Rosanne (maybe worse), we will never ever complain about K. Fritsch again. Believe me, I thought our ears were going to bleed at BC, not to mention I swear it was about 3 mins long.

superdave

11-02-2009, 07:54 AM

One good thing came out of the game; my daughter that used my tickets was a winner on the lucky seat NC Lottery deal. A nice backpack, 2 Canes Stanley Cup Champion shirts, and a Stanley Cup Champion pull over jacket. The best part was a framed artwork piece with a pic of the cup, a SCF jersey patch, and a piece of the net.

Remember those days? They seem so far away right now.

c-girl

11-02-2009, 07:58 AM

^^Of all the things to be annoyed about in the Carolina Hurricanes hockey experience (the team, the coaching staff, people using our row as an aisle to get from one section to another, Family Feud, the real estate trivia contest, the kid behind me who kicked the back of my seat - and my head - during yesterday's game), Katherine's rendition of the NA doesn't even make my list.

kermelbar

11-02-2009, 08:11 AM

So not only did I attend yesterday's game, but I watched my Herd blow a game-long lead in the final 2 minutes of its game last night, to remain one win away from the huge moral victory of being conditionally bowl eligible for the first time since 2004.

OMG, how did I forget about yesterday's Family Feud? Considering how the question was phrased, how on earth was "forecheck" not one of the answers?

I enjoy all of Katherine's rendition -- except the dragged out "free." If you're going to sing the rest of the song like it's written, then stop show-boating on "free." (And it bugs me even when we've won a game. =.)

I just love the people who are always late getting back to their seats after an intermission. Why are those people always down front and as far from the aisle seat as possible? They should be assigned to the back of the sections.

We had a couple sort of in front of us yesterday. The guy waited until face-off was about to happen to stand up and slooooowly remove his black trench, roll it up and finally tuck it in the empty seat next to him, blocking most of my view the entire time. Then, when they got up at the intermission, they climbed over the 2-3 people to their right -- when the 3-4 seats to their left (all the way to the aisle) were empty. WTF?

c-girl

11-02-2009, 08:33 AM

Jeff Marek (apparently a hockey radio personality in Toronto - Socal probably knows him but I had to look him up) tweeted this yesterday:

Hurricanes lose again. Was told yesterday that changes are coming. I imagine today cements it.

Question is - did he hear it from Eklund, did he hear it from an official source, or did he hear it from somebody who is just using common sense and knows that changes HAVE to be made?

nickgregory

11-02-2009, 08:40 AM

Jeff Marek (apparently a hockey radio personality in Toronto - Socal probably knows him but I had to look him up) tweeted this yesterday:

Question is - did he hear it from Eklund, did he hear it from an official source, or did he hear it from somebody who is just using common sense and knows that changes HAVE to be made?

Jeff Marek is one of the Hockey Night in Canada Television guys as well as the host for the HNIC radio show. To my knowledge (and I listen to HNIC quite a bit) he has never had Eklund on....

Fact is though it is pretty easy to surmise that this team has to do something, and do it quickly, as they are well on the way to calling this season a total loss, on the ice and at the gate...

SoCalcaniac

11-02-2009, 08:42 AM

We had a couple sort of in front of us yesterday. The guy waited until face-off was about to happen to stand up and slooooowly remove his black trench, roll it up and finally tuck it in the empty seat next to him, blocking most of my view the entire time. Then, when they got up at the intermission, they climbed over the 2-3 people to their right -- when the 3-4 seats to their left (all the way to the aisle) were empty. WTF?

I hear you loud and clear Kerm; Our section is mostly STHers, but we have pockets of the section where you can tell the seats are corporate and given away by the holders, or they're in for the first time or something like that- We usually get the people who show up right at faceoff, and the ushers just let them come down, and when they get to their seats, they're jostling and trying to figure out who's in seat 4 or 5 or 6 and all this shuffling; the group of guys in our row who sit a couple seats down from us will say to them in unison "you're late and you're standing, you need to sit down while the puck is in play" and of course most will look very sheepish and hurry up and sit down. It continues to boggle the mind that people are so clueless or in the case of the slow coat remover, just rude.

In regards to Staal and C. Ward, is it possible that because they both want to make Team Canada so bad, that even without them focusing on that, that it is somewhere in the back of their minds, that they are overthinking what they are trying to do and as they like to say in hockey, gripping the stick too hard?

The whole team has issues, but Cam and Staal are both off their game. Just a thought, though maybe a dumb one.

Butters I don't think your thought is dumb at all - I think there is some merit to it; in fact a lot of merit. Sure all these players are going to say the "right things" -- It'll be an honor to put on the Canada jersey, I'm focused on playing for (insert NHL team here) play for your people in your home country, Canada could field two teams with all the talent, blah, blah, blah. But for the Canadian players, it's off the charts, IMO. It matters SO much. It means everything and it's IN CANADA. To even believe that #12 or #30 aren't somewhat stressed about it, to the point of now taking themselves off their game, isn't a stretch to me. Eric was on the taxi squad in 2006, which was a travesty we already know; and I believe for him, he wants to prove he's worthy. I don't care what he says to the public; it's fact. On top of it, #12 is HURT and has been hurt for some time now, and he's going to try and gut it out and be hard core or something, and it's not helping matters one bit.

wa10

11-02-2009, 09:54 AM

caveman

11-02-2009, 09:57 AM

The Q remains who can we trade for a bag of pucks (hell even a 6th round pick) to make room for Boychuk, McBain, etc. This season is looking like a clusterf*ck (this thread certainly has plenty of F-bombs) right now, and I for one enjoyed some of our craptacular seasons for getting to watch some of the young kids play rather than watch well-paid lackadaisies.

Something amiss in the locker room. Period. Maybe it's too MANY leaders and nobody has grabbed the team by the throat. (Volunteers?)

Maybe it needs Mr. Francis to publicly call the team out, or at least in private give them bloody vicious hell. Show some flippin' PRIDE out there.

Slow. Apathetic. Ugh.

Put Staal on a line with Sutter. I'm 100% deadly serious about this.

nccanes

11-02-2009, 09:57 AM

Yes, I think Cam has been fine. I think he made a number of very good saves in the first.

Canesluver

11-02-2009, 10:03 AM

I'm just trying to get it out-of-my-head, that I lost my "lucky" logo pin (that I've worn on every game day since 2001), the day after we won 2-in-a-row..... the day after our last win.....

superdave

11-02-2009, 10:32 AM

I'm about to lose faith in the 3 wolf shirt. Maybe I need to do a poll and see if it needs to be sacrificed.

G-Vegas Caniac

11-02-2009, 10:36 AM

I'm just trying to get it out-of-my-head, that I lost my "lucky" logo pin (that I've worn on every game day since 2001), the day after we won 2-in-a-row..... the day after our last win.....

I was wondering what was going on! You need to find that pin woman! :lol:

nccanes

11-02-2009, 10:38 AM

I was wondering what was going on! You need to find that pin woman! :lol:

OR - we can accept that the fact the "lucky" pin has had some down cycles if she's been wearing it since 2001! :lol: It didn't bring much luck in '02-03'. ;)

livinthedream

11-02-2009, 10:39 AM

I'm about to lose faith in the 3 wolf shirt. Maybe I need to do a poll and see if it needs to be sacrificed.

Oh, I think there are plenty of reasons to sacrifice that three wolf t-shirt. I'm not sure if any of them have any bearing on the team though.

:beatup:

11-02-2009, 11:05 AM

you say that... but maurice and rutherford are real tight, and he's been fired once before.

And most importantly... Karmanos didnt make a zillion dollars by being limp wristed. Ultimately, piss poor seasons hit him in the wallet. Money makes the world go round, and business is business. I dont think Rutherford is as immune as people think... maybe Karmanos will urge him to retire instead... who knows.

i'll be curious to see how things pan out. at this rate it wont be long until we see a major move. whether its players, coaching, or management.

Okay, JR gets fired & Jason K. takes over. Or maybe Tripp, C. Adams, Vasicek, or Tanabe. Great.

If we fire or "re-assign" Mo, we'll have to either promote one of the assistants or re-hire Peter. We cannot pay 3 head coaches. Thus, the revolving door cannot be stopped.

Yes, I think Cam has been fine. I think he made a number of very good saves in the first.

He started out the season playing well, but has since fallen into some of the same bad habits of our team. Cam did have a good 1st period (although I would argue that the Sharks misfiring on several great chances was the primary reason for the 0-0 score). However, the Sharks 1st goal was easily as bad as anything Leighton gave up, and the 2nd one should've been stopped also. Total lack of focus/execution at a critical time.

nccanes

11-02-2009, 11:13 AM

He started out the season playing well, but has since fallen into some of the same bad habits of our team. Cam did have a good 1st period (although I would argue that the Sharks misfiring on several great chances was the primary reason for the 0-0 score). However, the Sharks 1st goal was easily as bad as anything Leighton gave up, and the 2nd one should've been stopped also. Total lack of focus/execution at a critical time.

I'm sure he's given up goals he shouldn't, but it seems like all the progress that was made last spring that turned the season around defensively (everyone on the ice) has gone back out the window.

superdave

11-02-2009, 11:22 AM

Oh, I think there are plenty of reasons to sacrifice that three wolf t-shirt. I'm not sure if any of them have any bearing on the team though.

:beatup:
What?

toastmasterbone

11-02-2009, 11:45 AM

In regards to Staal and C. Ward, is it possible that because they both want to make Team Canada so bad, that even without them focusing on that, that it is somewhere in the back of their minds, that they are overthinking what they are trying to do and as they like to say in hockey, gripping the stick too hard?

... But for the Canadian players, it's off the charts, IMO. It matters SO much. It means everything and it's IN CANADA. To even believe that #12 or #30 aren't somewhat stressed about it, to the point of now taking themselves off their game, isn't a stretch to me.

I don't know, but I was really thinking that Staal would come out of the gates hard, based both on this being a selection year, and on how he appeared to react in the past. IMO when that guy has the "important people" watching (eg, Dad, Canadian Olympic committee), he's a freakin' bomb going off. When everyone knew he was approaching short-list status last time, his game went through the roof (Spezza's, too). Which makes me think that whatever injuries he's harboring are bigger than expected.

I don't know about Cam, but I like his helmet.

puck_it

11-02-2009, 11:46 AM

Okay, JR gets fired & Jason K. takes over. Or maybe Tripp, C. Adams, Vasicek, or Tanabe. Great.
Dont think so, re JKarmanos. I think if we did, they'd throw marshal johnston in as an interim GM and do things the right way. Rutherford then will either remain president and focus on business, or leave altogether, at which point Jason will take over as president and we'd hire outside. or do something stupid like put Francis as the GM.

If we fire or "re-assign" Mo, we'll have to either promote one of the assistants or re-hire Peter. We cannot pay 3 head coaches. Thus, the revolving door cannot be stopped.

I agree on teh coaches deal. we really cant be paying three. Hence if anyone's going to feel the most heat, it's good ol Jimmy.

and i do want to reiterate for whoever is reading this and thinking im calling for rutherfords head... im not... i'm just looking at it and speculating where the big move likely happens. and coaching is probably at the bottom of the list.

Solracer

11-02-2009, 12:19 PM

F*CK

Thats all I have to say.....

Greensboro Hurricanes

11-02-2009, 01:05 PM

I'll never say never (we did re-hire Maurice, after all), but I'd be amazed if PK fired JR under any circumstances.

I know JR fired Mo, but he sounded like a man who shot his dog when he did it and he sounded like a man who had the weight of the world lifted off his shoulders when he brought him back.

SouthernHockeyChick

11-02-2009, 07:35 PM

I think puck_it is right...PK is a business man. I think JR goes down with Mo this time. I just don't know how long that will take.

This may have already been discussed, but I have not read this thread so I don't know if someone else has mentioned it.

In regards to Staal and C. Ward, is it possible that because they both want to make Team Canada so bad, that even without them focusing on that, that it is somewhere in the back of their minds, that they are overthinking what they are trying to do and as they like to say in hockey, gripping the stick too hard?

The whole team has issues, but Cam and Staal are both off their game. Just a thought, though maybe a dumb one.
Might be right about Staal (though Toast makes good points). But, I think Cam started the season very strong. I thought he picked right up where he left off at the end of last season (prior to the abomination that was the ECFs). I think he's just freaking worn-out at this point. Both literally and figuratively in that he's sick of covering for the jerks on the ice in front of him. You can only be a sheild in a shooting gallery so long before some holes get poked. The Olympics might be adding to the issues now but, any issues with Cam begin with the crap on the ice in front of him, IMO.

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We usually get the people who show up right at faceoff, and the ushers just let them come down, and when they get to their seats, they're jostling and trying to figure out who's in seat 4 or 5 or 6 and all this shuffling;

I had to tell the folks doing that in front of me halfway through the first yesterday to "Just sit down! No one cares which two of the four empty seats are actually yours but we sure as hell care that WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING!"

Sorry if that was anyone here but JESUS! Just sit your ass down next time!

OR - we can accept that the fact the "lucky" pin has had some down cycles if she's been wearing it since 2001! :lol: It didn't bring much luck in '02-03'. ;)
Everything CL wears is lucky. :evil:

kermelbar

11-02-2009, 07:56 PM

I had to tell the folks doing that in front of me halfway through the first yesterday to "Just sit down! No one cares which two of the four empty seats are actually yours but we sure as hell care that WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING!"

Sorry if that was anyone here but JESUS! Just sit your ass down next time!

I know I'm crazy using logic, but this is what I try to do if I'm heading into an arena, theatre, etc. with a group of three or more and the seats are already filling up -- I figure out what our range of seats is. "OK, I have seat 3. Anyone have 1 or 6? (insert looking at tickets) OK, so we have seats 3-8." If I'm going with a group, I don't give a crap if I'm in the very seat I have a ticket for and, odds are, we'll end up shuffling at intermission, anyway. I have no idea why other groups can't figure that out, but if I can't expect people to get back to their down-front seats before the end of intermission or some douchebag to take off his coat before faceoff -- or at least spead it up -- God knows I can't expect 'em to use some higher concept logic.