Whatever happened to these guys?

[netterau]

I don't want to seem like a complete novice as far as the 'Canes are concerned, but for a long time I supported the team from afar by, basically, wearing a cap and a canes tshirt and followed them (well, tried as hard as I possibly could to follow them) by reading everything that was ever printed about them here in Sweden... wich wasn't and still isn't a lot for unfortunately The Canes are hardly known in Sweden - the reason for this I don't know, but people in general seem more familiar even with teams such as Atlanta and Columbus. This is strange, but probably has to do with a lack of promotional work.

Anyway, what I've always wondered is whatever happened to these guys:

Chris Pronger - he was once a Whaler, but who did we get for him and WHY did they trade him?

Jean-Sebastien Giguere - when was he a Cane, when was he traded, for whom was he traded and (again) WHY?

Nikos Tselios - he was a 1st round pick, was assigned to the minors for, what, two years, and then... nothing? Whatever happened to him, was his' being picked first just an unimaginable flaw?

David Tanabe - Okay, his' stats were never as sweet as his' skating abilities, but was it really worth taking that big a risk by trading him for a guy that didn't seem too willing to play for us anyway? (Here I must point out that I really like Markov, but for a while chances looked rather slim that he'd ever play for the Canes).

Jeff Heerema - Picked first one year, in the minors for another, given a chance to prove himself the following (and taking that chance!) and then... on waivers?! What on earth was that?! Does anyone know anything more on him, was there personality clashes or anything?

And, lastly, whatever happened to Irbe?! I mean, really, what was it that happened? I'm not saying that I believe he's the solution to the canes current situation, but ECHL?! Did he REALLY fall that far?!

I hope I don't come across as too thick, but since I've lost out on A LOT of info an this team/franchise I've never really understood these things!

OOO, just one more thing - I read somewhere that the canes gave up something like three 1st round picks to the Boston Bruins for Glen Wesley. These pickes turned out to be Sergei Samsonov, Kyle McLaren and someone called Jonathan Aitkens... Was he worth it?

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps me understand these things!

cheers, Netterau. :spin: :D :spin:

[StormShaman]

Chris Pronger - he was once a Whaler, but who did we get for him and WHY did they trade him?

Pronger got traded to St. Loo for Brendan Shanahan (about whose shabby treatment of the fans and the team I will NOT get started). He was traded because he was having some development issues on the ice, and some serious personal problems off the ice. Him being traded was actually a blessing in disguise, in my opinion, because he would have come to a bad end had Mo gotten his mitts on him.

Jean-Sebastien Giguere - when was he a Cane, when was he traded, for whom was he traded and (again) WHY?

I'll let somebody else address this, as the last time I said ANYTHING about the guy I got jumped on. :mad:

Nikos Tselios - he was a 1st round pick, was assigned to the minors for, what, two years, and then... nothing? Whatever happened to him, was his' being picked first just an unimaginable flaw?

One word: BUST.

David Tanabe - Okay, his' stats were never as sweet as his' skating abilities, but was it really worth taking that big a risk by trading him for a guy that didn't seem too willing to play for us anyway? (Here I must point out that I really like Markov, but for a while chances looked rather slim that he'd ever play for the Canes).

Another bust for us. He developed a poor attitude, and just didn't thrive in the "plug and pray" system that we run here.

Jeff Heerema - Picked first one year, in the minors for another, given a chance to prove himself the following (and taking that chance!) and then... on waivers?! What on earth was that?! Does anyone know anything more on him, was there personality clashes or anything?

He just never panned out for us. He's in St. Loo now, courtesy of the waiver draft (he was claimed from the Ranjerks, who had claimed him from us when we waived him).

And, lastly, whatever happened to Irbe?! I mean, really, what was it that happened? I'm not saying that I believe he's the solution to the canes current situation, but ECHL?! Did he REALLY fall that far?!

It's a really long story that we don't know all the details to--but my [b[guess[/b] is that the rest of the team pretty much turned their backs on him after his "play me or trade me" rant in the N&O last November. As for him being in the ECHL, well.... there's no room for him in our system, he didn't accept the buyout offer we made him, and nobody else is willing to take on his salary. So what else are we going to do?

OOO, just one more thing - I read somewhere that the canes gave up something like three 1st round picks to the Boston Bruins for Glen Wesley. These pickes turned out to be Sergei Samsonov, Kyle McLaren and someone called Jonathan Aitkens... Was he worth it?

Yes and no.

Yes in that he wound up becoming one of our most valuable assets on the blueline and in the locker room, but that's overshadowed (in my opinion) by the "no"--which is the fact that the trade hosed our minor-league system for years (a major-league buttreaming from which the franchise has only recently started to recover).

Hope this helps.

[netterau]

Thank you very much, StormShaman! :D

Too bad about both Tselios and Tanabe, IMO... :sick:

And about Pronger, well, if he had personal problems he couldn't deal with within the HFD/CAR-organization, then probably it was all for the best!

Not too surprised hearing about Shanahan though, I've always instinctivly disliked the guy.

Anyway, Thank you once again!

cheers, n. :spin:

[MoBigRed]

Jean-Sebastien Giguere - when was he a Cane, when was he traded, for whom was he traded and (again) WHY?

I'll let somebody else address this, as the last time I said ANYTHING about the guy I got jumped on. :mad:


Giguere, along with Andrew Cassells, was traded to the Calgary Flames for Gary Roberts and Trevor Kidd.

Why? Dunno. Good trade? Quite possibly.

[goalie33]

Giguere, along with Andrew Cassells, was traded to the Calgary Flames for Gary Roberts and Trevor Kidd.

Why? Dunno.

I'd suspect, more than anything else, that management was expecting Giguere to be more developed than he was at that point, and figuring he'd never develop into an NHL-caliber goalie, traded him for someone who was more proven.

Now, over the past couple of years, Giguere has become a very solid goaltender, and last year (regular season and playoffs) was obviously great for him. However, if we hadn't traded him to Calgary and if they hadn't sent him to Anaheim, he may never have reconnected with Francois Allaire and found his game. If you watch tape of him from the Calgary days, his positioning is nowhere near as good as it is now, and he's really adapted every part of his game (including that 590 chest protector :roll:) to the blocking style.

I like Giguere, but I'm glad that Martin Gerber is getting to show some of his stuff, because he could very easily take over a number one spot (in Anaheim or anywhere else) without much trouble, as Aebby has.

Sorry for the long spiel, but I can't resist goalie talk.

[netterau]

speaking of goalies... what about Peter Sidorkiewicz, Jason Muzzatti, Mario Gosselin, Jeff Reese and Frank Pietrangelo?! Maybe not the BEST goalies ever, but certainly among the coolest... In my opinion, anyway.


cheers, n. :D

[Willis#1fan]

but from my understanding he was picked up the NY Rangers because he wasn't protected by the Hurricanes. Not sure, so don't shoot me if I'm wrong, but the Canes could only protect a certain number of players, so they put him on waivers, and apparently NY wanted him. I heard one speculation from someone, and they said that NY only picked him up so no other team could and the Canes had an under-the-table kind of deal with the Rangers so they could get Jeff back, but apparently, that is not true either. He isn't playing for them this year, and I don't know what happened to him. Of course, he's probably on their minor-league team right now, but that guy deserves to be in the NHL...fo' sho'!

Rebecca...Svitov

[caveman]

but from my understanding he was picked up the NY Rangers because he wasn't protected by the Hurricanes. Not sure, so don't shoot me if I'm wrong, but the Canes could only protect a certain number of players, so they put him on waivers, and apparently NY wanted him. I heard one speculation from someone, and they said that NY only picked him up so no other team could and the Canes had an under-the-table kind of deal with the Rangers so they could get Jeff back, but apparently, that is not true either. He isn't playing for them this year, and I don't know what happened to him. Of course, he's probably on their minor-league team right now, but that guy deserves to be in the NHL...fo' sho'!

Rebecca...Svitov

Jeff plays for the St. Louis Blues. He had a pretty, game-winning goal vs. Calgary, but hasn't played since Mid-November, totalling 1 goal and 1 assist in 13 games, being listed a healthy scratch since then. He hasn't been sent down to the minors.

[caveman]

OOO, just one more thing - I read somewhere that the canes gave up something like three 1st round picks to the Boston Bruins for Glen Wesley. These pickes turned out to be Sergei Samsonov, Kyle McLaren and someone called Jonathan Aitkens... Was he worth it?

It's hard to make any statement along those lines, because who knows who the Whalers would have picked with those picks. It's possible we would have picked 3 players which busted, it's possible we would have picked Hossa or Samsonov in 1997, Iginla or McLaren in 1995, and "Somebody Else" in 1996 (the weakest draft I've ever, ever, ever seen).

But we didn't have "beyond abysmal" drafts in 1995 or 1997. (1996 I'll ignore because every single team had an awful draft, although we did draft Craig Adams and Craig MacDonald that year). In 1995 we drafted J.S. Giguere and Sami Kapanen, and in 1997 we found DeFauw and Willis. While you can't compare that list with Hossa and Iginla, you can't say that is who the Hartford/Carolina management would have drafted, either.

[netterau]

Thank you for enlightening me! Very informative answers!

Take care Everybody!

cheers, n. :D

[Willis#1fan]

How did I miss that? Was it covered well in the paper? I don't see how I could have missed that! It's good to see him in the NHL if he couldn't play for us, I thought he had good chances with the Canes, but I guess not.