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Guyute
01-06-2004, 04:43 PM
figured I'd start a separate thread.

McNabb can play with the Brett of them
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com

THERE'S NO NEED to wring your hands and fret on behalf of Donovan McNabb, as the Eagles quarterback suffers comparisons this week to Green Bay's Brett Favre, the NFL's only three-time MVP, in the days leading up to Sunday's NFC semifinal playoff game at Lincoln Financial Field.

Juxtaposed against 13-year veteran Favre, McNabb, in his fifth NFL season, might be "still in the embryonic stage of his career,'' as Eagles wide receiver Freddie Mitchell put it yesterday. But McNabb, at 27, seems to be moving solidly into his prime. His numbers over the last couple of months place him on a more even footing with a future Hall of Famer such as Favre than McNabb has ever seemed to occupy previously.

This year, McNabb is being asked to lead the Birds to the Super Bowl, with no allowances made for lack of experience or healing fibulas. It's something he and his teammates frankly acknowledge.

"That's the way that I look at it,'' McNabb said yesterday, as the Eagles began preparing for the Packers.

"You only go as far as your quarterback,'' cornerback Troy Vincent said, on the day the Eagles announced McNabb had been voted the team's offensive MVP by his teammates.

As recently as the week before the teams' most recent meeting, Nov. 10 at Green Bay, the comparison with Favre seemed unfortunate, weighted toward the veteran (a Daily News story the day of the game said so). But in that game, with Favre hindered by a broken thumb and a rain-slickened ball, McNabb stepped up. It's hard to forget the image of McNabb driving the Eagles 65 yards in eight plays, throwing the winning TD pass to Todd Pinkston with 27 seconds left, as ABC's "Monday Night Football'' cameras kept cutting to Favre's anguished visage on the Lambeau Field sideline.

"For you to have that opportunity to go out there and do it in Green Bay, on Lambeau Field, on Monday night, it's a big thing for the offense,'' McNabb recalled yesterday, after first deferring when asked whether he considered that drive a turning point for himself or the team. "It's a big thing for Todd, it's a big thing for the offensive line, the [rest of] the receiving corps. Obviously, with the conditions we were in, and having [John] Madden and those guys doing the game, it stood out a little more.''

"It meant a lot to me,'' Pinkston acknowledged yesterday. "It was the turning point of my season.''

Pinkston said he wouldn't go so far as to claim that drive as the turning point for McNabb or the offense - he said he felt "the offense has been coming around, slowly but surely'' since earlier in the season. But McNabb's numbers since the Green Bay game are startling - 131 of 201, 65.1 percent, with 11 of his season's 16 passing TDs and just four interceptions, in seven games.

McNabb's blossoming is one reason the Eagles' offense still looks like that of a Super Bowl contender, even without leading rusher Brian Westbrook, who finally will undergo season-ending triceps surgery today in Birmingham, Ala. Westbrook was injured in the Dec. 27 regular-season finale at Washington.

"I love what Donovan brings to the table,'' Vincent said. "Donovan's on his way. Brett's played a lot longer than Donovan. Both are mobile quarterbacks, both have great arms, both are winners - both know how to win. Brett's journey has been a little longer. Donovan's right in the middle of his. But I wouldn't trade him for anybody.''

A year ago, the hot Eagles issue going into the playoffs was McNabb's health. He was returning to the field after missing six games with a broken fibula. The alarmists looking at last year's NFC semifinal matchup against Atlanta foresaw McNabb looking rusty and lame against a healthy Michael Vick.

McNabb adroitly guided the Birds through that game, only to show the rust when Tampa Bay was able to bring strong pressure in the NFC Championship Game the next week. But the Packers certainly don't have a Tampa-level defense - Green Bay ranked 23rd against the pass this season - and McNabb and the Eagles' offense seem much more evolved than a year ago.

As Eagles cornerback Bobby Taylor astutely noted yesterday, McNabb doesn't really have to play against Favre on Sunday - that's Taylor's job. McNabb just has to play against the Packers' defense.

"I'm healthier,'' McNabb said yesterday, when asked about the differences from last year's playoff journey. "We've been able to click when we've needed to during the year, spread the ball around, make sure everyone is involved. This year has been a lot more exciting than the last couple of years, because of some challenges.''

There have been a few of those, with the Eagles starting 0-2 and their offense looking like a train wreck, McNabb dealing with a lower leg injury and a bone-bruised thumb. Sometimes the excitement got a little distracting, like when McNabb's weekly news conference was carried live on CNN 3 days after then-ESPN analyst Rush Limbaugh said the media overrate McNabb because he's black. McNabb spoke quietly, eloquently and forcefully that day, and hours later, Limbaugh and ESPN parted company.

Fullback Jon Ritchie, in his first year with the Eagles, marveled at how McNabb smiled and joked and never seemed to let any of the problems get to him.

"He's proved that his method of dealing with negativity is a successful one. He's a lot of fun to be around because of it,'' Ritchie said yesterday.

McNabb said the Eagles' offense had to find an identity, and did.

"Guys coming together, pulling together, challenging themselves, and being able to [become] one of the hottest teams in the NFL. That's what made it challenging for us and exciting for us,'' McNabb said.

Part of the challenge of facing Favre and the Packers is the aura that has grown around Favre and the team during its stretch run. Much has been made in the national media of Favre's reaction in the face of tragedy, his father Irvin's sudden death just before the Packers played the Raiders 2 weeks ago. It's a ticklish subject for opponents - when you analyze how the death of someone's father works as a motivational factor, you run the awful risk of trivializing something that belongs on a different plane from the mundane concerns of football.

McNabb tiptoed deftly through that mine field yesterday.

"It's been exciting for those guys to do what they've been able to do over the past couple of weeks with the situation that Brett and his family have been through,'' McNabb said. "As a player and as a human being, I'm excited to see that those guys have been able to put that behind them, move forward, and do it for his father.''

McNabb then allowed that the Eagles have motivation, as well.

"Personally, I don't think you need to motivate yourself to play this game,'' he said. "Especially, to play this game with the situation that is in front of us. It's a playoff game...We're just motivated to be in the playoffs and to have an opportunity to move on.''

Guyute
01-06-2004, 04:49 PM
In afterglow of OT win, Packers ready to hit road
But in its last five trips here, Green Bay has lost every time. "I think our team perceives itself in a very confident fashion," its coach says.
By Jim Salisbury
Inquirer Staff Writer

GREEN BAY, Wis. - Given his druthers, Green Bay Packers coach Mike Sherman would rather be playing Sunday's NFC divisional playoff game against the Eagles in the frozen but friendly confines of Lambeau Field.

Instead, the Packers will travel to Philadelphia, where they haven't won since their 1962 NFL championship team, coached by Vince Lombardi, hammered the Eagles, 49-0, in front of 60,671 at Franklin Field.

Since then, the Packers have made five trips to Philadelphia and went away losers each time.

None of this seemed to bother Sherman yesterday while he continued to enjoy the afterglow of his team's dramatic 33-27 overtime victory against the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday.

Sherman believes that playing - and, of course, winning - the NFC wild- card game could serve the Packers well against the Eagles, who enjoyed the healing and preparatory powers of a first-round bye.

"We won a playoff game in emotional fashion," Sherman said. "I like the fact that we played and came out with a positive feeling. We have some guys banged up, but the pain is lessened by the fact we won.

"Momentum is a big factor in the way a team perceives itself. Right now, I think our team perceives itself in a very confident fashion. But we're realistic. We know anyone can beat us, and we know we can beat anyone. We need to have our A game ready to go."

And on going into Philadelphia?

Well, at least the game won't be played at Veterans Stadium.

"I'd rather play in the new stadium," Sherman said of Lincoln Financial Field. "The surface is better."

The Packers were 5-3 on the road this season. They won both their regular-season road games in December.

"I feel good about us going on the road," Sherman said. "We'll go in two days early like we have all year. That brings us together.

"At some point, you relish the fact of going into someone else's stadium and dealing with those challenges. I'm not saying we wouldn't rather be home, but it's something you deal with."

One of the challenges the Packers will encounter is recent NFC history. The No. 1 seed in the NFC has advanced to the conference championship game every year since 1987. The Eagles are the No. 1 seed; the Packers are No. 4.

The teams met Nov. 10 in Green Bay, with the Eagles pulling out a 17-14 win.

After that, the Packers reeled off six wins in their final seven regular-season games. Sunday's win over Seattle was their fifth victory in a row.

Included in that winning streak was the emotional Monday night win at Oakland on Dec. 22, the day after the death of quarterback Brett Favre's father.

"The Oakland game crystallized us as a team," Sherman said. "It was like the glue that keeps people together. The challenges we faced in that game were even greater than the opponent."

The Packers' late-season surge has made their Week 10 loss to the Eagles seem like eons ago.

Running back Ahman Green remembers little from the game.

"It seemed like it was last year," the NFC rushing champion said. "That game is behind both of us. We know it's not going to be easy going into Philly."

Green was held to 66 rushing yards by Seattle, clearing the way for Favre to throw for 319 yards.

The Eagles are strong in the defensive secondary and weaker against the rush. Might that mean the Packers will script their game plan more around Green's running than Favre's throwing?

Sherman was reluctant to talk specifically about the Eagles.

"I'm not getting into Philly today," he said. "We just finished a game."

Sherman did praise the Eagles' receivers, saying, "It looks like they're coming into their own." He added that quarterback Donovan McNabb "always makes plays. We know what's in store there. He's a stabilizing force."

Sherman and his staff will study the tape of the Packers' earlier meeting with the Eagles, but he will put more stock in recent game tape.

If Sherman looks at the tape of the Packers' playoff game against Seattle, he will see a win that he hopes provides the momentum to carry his team to success in Philadelphia.

"It was a great football game," he said. "How great? That depends on how far we go with it."

Guyute
01-06-2004, 04:56 PM
The following is a Great article. Any of you that are philly fans will relate very well. some of you that have watched great teams fall apart at the penultimate times will also relate. I've been doing it since the 70's for the most part. One of these years we WILL get 'em. :D

Nightmares of an Eagles fan
The faithful have little to fear - except the ghosts of old indignities.
By David Hiltbrand
Inquirer Staff Writer

Relax, Eagles fans. It's in the bag. By the time Groundhog Day arrives, the Lombardi Trophy will have a new home in South Philly. That's right, baby, we're about to win the Super Bowl.

Sure, you're skeptical. You've been burned too often. But this time it's different.

Really, there's nothing to be afraid of. Nothing. Practically nothing. All right, there are a handful of wild scenarios that could undermine us. But they're so far-fetched...

What? You demand to hear them anyway? This proves what scholars have long held: the word Philadelphian derives from the Greek meaning self-tormenting.

But if you insist:

Once more into the mist. On Sunday, shortly before kickoff, an impenetrable bank of fog drifts up the Delaware River from Marcus Hook and settles over the Linc. It's thicker than anything Jack the Ripper skulked through in London town.

Such a meteorological fluke strikes you as outlandish? Don't forget New Year's Eve 1988, when the Eagles lost a playoff to the Chicago Bears when a surreal blanket of fog settled over Soldier Field.

Anyway, the league is desperate to keep to its schedule, so despite the impossible conditions, officials let the game begin. But on the third play from scrimmage, Duce Staley takes a handoff and scampers around right end. Sadly, he vanishes into the fog and is never heard from again.

The flummoxed officials, unsure how to proceed, call in Peco, which, like most utilities, has been used to operating in complete obscurity.

Unable to get an actual reading of the on-field action, Peco elects to settle the contest with an estimated score. As is its wont, the firm bases the figures not on recent activity, but on the highest levels it can find on record. The greatest Packers of yore - 1961 edition - defeat the storied 1960 Eagles, 37-17.

A nemesis returns. Lawrence Taylor, who blew up the Eagles so often during his playing days with the Giants, does it again, just for old time's sake. He first tries the nefarious method he outlined in his recent 60 Minutes interview: sending hookers to all the Eagles' starters the night before the NFC championship game to wear them out. But his fiendish plan doesn't succeed because we have home-field advantage. The Eagles' wives give Taylor's tarts a very hostile reception.

So LT resorts to Plan B:

He dispatches a lavish dessert truck to head coach Andy Reid's house. Bingo! Reid scarfs down so many eclairs that the next day, he comes down with a nasty case of gout and spends most of the afternoon writhing and twitching on the sidelines.

Unfortunately, quarterback Donovan McNabb mistakes the contortions for play-calling signals. That leads to several blunders, including the Eagles' much-debated decision to punt in a first-and-goal situation. Result: negative 45 yards in total offense. The likely foes, the St. Louis Rams, score 28 points on turnovers and breeze to a 41-0 rout.

Fandemonium! City administrators recognize the untapped potential of the stadium crowd. It's their favorite type of revenue stream: the captive audience. With no advance notice, they commandeer the concession franchise at the Linc and raffle it off in a closed bid.

When stoked-up Eagles fans arrive at the Linc for the conference championship and discover that beer now costs $75 per cup, they erupt into a full-scale riot that spills onto the field. The fighting goes on for three days, and police from as far away as Harrisburg are called in to subdue the savage green mob.

For the first time in NFL history, a team must forfeit a game because of its rowdy fans. The city springs into action, putting the contract to rebuild the Linc up for a closed bid.

The bandwagon gets crowded. Sensing the team's unstoppable momentum, all manner of fair-weather Eagles fans start coming out of the woodwork. It gets so bad, the Olsen twins are seen sporting Birds caps at the People's Choice Awards.

Most alarming, former QB Randall Cunningham, announcing he's on a mission from God, chooses this moment to start mentoring McNabb.

Cunningham even teaches McNabb his trademark delayed release. As a result, McNabb sets a dubious playoff record against the Rams when the first 17 passes he attempts are knocked down in the backfield by St. Louis defensive linemen.

Fox sideline reporter Pam Oliver locates Cunningham for an interview, pointing out that his tutelage has resulted in a disastrous display of offensive futility. "Yes," says a beaming Randall, "but did you notice they were all spirals?"

Run for your lives, it's... Rich Kotite, the most powerful anti-Eagles force in the universe. He took a superbly talented team and turned it into a dismal mediocrity.

What do you think he's been doing since he was railroaded out of Philadelphia - sitting in Staten Island playing Madden NFL 2000? No, he's been plotting his revenge. And on the afternoon of the conference championship, he strikes.

Just after the frenzied player introductions, his face appears on the Linc's giant video screens. Looming over the stadium, he announces he has taken control of the game, implanting powerful magnets in all the players so he can move them about at will. "And, Philadelphia," he promises, "you will not like the outcome."

As he cackles maniacally, the image sputters and evaporates. Kotite has kicked a wire, losing the transmission. He also has forgotten to charge the magnetizer, and is forced to watch the game while helplessly twiddling his joystick. Same old mastermind.

But merely seeing Kotite's snakebit face has badly spooked the Eagles. They go out and play like it's 1994. Result: Rams 38, Eagles 10.

Don't be alarmed. The only way things like these could happen is if the Eagles were truly jinxed. If the playing field is level, this is our year. Definitely.

folgersnyourcup
01-11-2004, 09:16 PM
Well, an interesting game... Mcnabb played awful early on but really stepped it up later. The Packers threw away the game....going for it on 4th and goal and Green trips over his own guy and doesn't get the easy score with Philly completely unable to stop him if he does not trip. Then later on deciding NOT to go on 4th and 1. Also, they took to the air several times when the running game was working perfectly... It seemed they had a lot of faith in Favre. I'm sure his final pass in OT was very, very depressing for Packers fans. As was being unable to cover the middle of the field AT ALL on a 4th and 26, which would give Green Bay the win. It's amazing Philly won the game, but congratulations to them for the win. I was looking forward to an NFC championship game at home but I guess it just wasn't to be... I'm still very excited about the upcoming NFC championship game though, it should be a very good game!

SouthernHockeyChick
01-11-2004, 09:24 PM
Well, this household had been wishing for a GB win, initially. But, upon further reflection we came to the decision that we'd actually RATHER the Panthers play the Eagles. Good thing, huh? Should be interesting!!

tommy
01-11-2004, 10:13 PM
Well, looks like the Panthers will be travelling to Philly. Too bad Green Bay forgot how to score after those two initial touchdowns!!!

StJacquesFan25
01-11-2004, 10:41 PM
Well I live in Philly....but I will be rooting for the Panthers....so good luck to them!!!

Guyute
01-12-2004, 09:38 AM
what a game. holy moley! a stop on 4th and goal from the one- Huge.
McNabb's scramble where 2 guys had a hand on him, then finds Todd at the front corner of the endzone- HUGE. Todd's play was just as good as McNabb's. the D followed him into the corner, then left him alone. Pinkston did a hell of a job just sneaking around without anyone seeing him.

The 28yd catch on 4th and 26 to keep the game going? omg.

I was a mess last night. lol
Yep, it was Green Bay's game to win... they didn't do it.

Now it's time to see if the 3rd time really is the charm. 3 straight NFC Championship games... the 2 previous ones have been losses.
It's time to go to the show boys!

E-A-G-L-E-S
EAGLES!!!!

Guyute
01-12-2004, 01:31 PM
One of the two missed opportunities (should've been sacked) on the play that ended with a 12yd toss to Pinkston in the end zone.

http://www.philly.com/images/philly/philly/7688/59110078808.jpg

Favre looking a little worried in a Reese and Simon sandwich:
(this was the pass in OT that was picked by BD)
http://www.philly.com/images/philly/philly/7688/59110132624.jpg

Ole Akers was smiling soon as it left his foot :D (in OT)
http://www.philly.com/images/philly/philly/7687/59095740937.jpg

Jeff O Rocks
01-12-2004, 01:43 PM
In that first pic, he should have been sacked.. why do they dive at the targets and not grab the ankles and roll them up??? I yell at N C State's defense all the time for not doing that..........frustrating as hell..

SouthernHockeyChick
01-12-2004, 01:44 PM
In that first pic, he should have been sacked.. why do they dive at the targets and not grab the ankles and roll them up??? I yell at N C State's defense all the time for not doing that..........frustrating as hell..

Cause they've all been taught to go for the ball. I get so damn pissed off when I see a guy miss a freakin' tackle because he's going for the ball instead of the guys ankles. :mad:

Guyute
01-12-2004, 02:10 PM
depends on who you're tackling. on some people, diving at their ankles is no better (and in some cases worse), than diving and grabbing some shirt.

McNabb has a habit of stepping-out of foot tackles. dude has legs like a horse. the problem is, he needs to be wrapped up. one-handed tackles won't do the job, grabbing some shirt or a shoe won't work... he's tough. I don't think most LB's or Tackles consider him as a running back instead of a QB... but that's how he's built.

But yes, a lot of it is going for the ball.

Jeff O Rocks
01-12-2004, 02:15 PM
If I were a Dback.. I would definitely go for the roll up as opposed to going for the ball...grab the ankles, twist and roll..and don't let go.. chances of stopping the play are much better than stripping the ball.. .but I can see how they are taught to go after the ball like a shark to blood! :D Sometimes it is your last hope ...

folgersnyourcup
01-12-2004, 11:54 PM
I was thinking about the end of regulation in this game today and a few thoughts crossed my mind. Andy Reid was taking a big gamble at the end of regulation by having Mcnabb chuck the ball twice into the endzone trying to go for the win instead of the tie. I suppose this shows two things:

1. That Andy Reid has more confidence in Mcnabb than Martz had in Bulger.

and

2. That perhaps Andy Reid wanted to avoid some of the criticism that Martz has been getting since the Rams were eliminated by Carolina.

After seeing the possibilities of what could happen, I say the Martz made the right call. Sure, being the partisan Panther fan I am, I am glad he did not go for the kill. But after seeing what happened on Philly's final 2 plays before the kick, the results may have been disastrous for the Rams. Basically, if the Rams lose the game, the coach is faulted for whatever decision he made at the point. If the Panthers had intercepted, people complain for him not settling for OT. In the Philly game, BOTH Mcnabb passes were very, very close to being intercepted AND...correct me if I am wrong, but, on the 2nd pass play when Mcnabb came oh so close to being sacked, wouldn't the game have then been over at that point had he been sacked? I don't recall Philadelphia having any more timeouts! That's one hell of a time to be trying something as risky as that...

Of course, it all ended up working out in the end for Philly though so congrats. Just was thinking about that series today.

Guyute
01-13-2004, 10:12 AM
yeah, of course the blame for the choice will fall on the coach, if the team ends up blowing it.

but, you don't get to the playoffs, and then play it safe... play for OT.... play "to play some more".

playoffs are cutthroat. your team should be out for blood (and the win). if it's not, you go home. buh-bye rams. :p

Philly went for it because A) Reid has balls. B) Reid has the utmost confidence in his team. C) McNabb pulls magic from his arse fairly often at times like that, might as well let him try. D) philly fans would have someone's head ON A STICK if they were within range, and ran the clock down without a shot.

there are others, but you get the idea. :)
yes, I'm thrilled that it worked out for us. hehe

Guyute
01-14-2004, 11:08 AM
I know, I'm talking to myself about the Eagles, and you ppl are getting sick of it. oh well. ;) :p

It's possible that 4th & 26 will live on forever in the minds of philly fans.

Guess it should be no surprise that these shirts were announced the next day. lol. (also heard they showed some footage of Tugger and "You Gotta Believe!" during that. too awesome for words.)

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/BFNJAPBLMOLK/tshirt_4_26.gif

Jeff O Rocks
01-14-2004, 12:59 PM
I know, I'm talking to myself about the Eagles, and you ppl are getting sick of it. oh well. ;) :p



We're not.. you love em and you are proud... that is ok!! ;)