ron francis to toronto

[MoBigRed]

Maple Leafs acquire Francis

TSN.ca Staff

3/9/2004

The Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired veteran forward Ron Francis from the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for a fourth round pick in 2005.

Earlier today, sources told TSN that Francis had agreed to waive his no-trade clause in order to facilitate a trade to Toronto.

Francis, who has four points in his last five games, has 10 goals and 30 points in 68 games with the Hurricanes.

Francis is scheduled to earn $4.4-million this season but will become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year. However, his leadership would no doubt be an asset for any playoff bound team.

NHL on TSN analyst Pierre McGuire believes Francis will fit in well with the Maple Leafs lineup.

"Francis understands the Toronto Maple Leafs may be one ingredient away from putting them over the top," said McGuire. "Eddie Belfour's an experienced player, Brian Leetch is an experienced player. This is the peer group that Francis wants to deal with. And when you really look at it, he would be the perfect insulation for Mats Sundin. He's strong on faceoffs - Toronto's not a strong faceoff team since getting rid of Travis Green - that's one of the things they really need. Nieuwendyk and Francis would be a one-two punch taking faceoffs, that takes so much pressure off Mats Sundin. This would be a tremendous acquisition for Toronto."

[SouthernCaniac]

I jsut read it on TSN. I actually really feel like im about to throw up. i just didnt see this one coming and i hate the leafs so much. i cant bear to see ronnie in that blue uniform.

[bradythedevilsfan]

It's got to be a rental. He'll be back by May.

[rkbrasse]

Francis for a 4th rounder. What the hell is JR smoking. Christ all mighty if this is true our front office blows donkeys.

[corylav]

what did you expect for a 41-year-old having a below average year?

[Turbulence]

JR didn't facilitate this trade. Ron Francis wanted this trade, and JR basically gave him away. He got what he could.

I don't think he'll be back... :sad:

[rkbrasse]

Francis to retire a cane. What do you think I expected? Oh well screw it, it couldn't last forever.

[Guyute]

please, if a 4th rounder is all JR could get.... he needs to find another job.

you're talking about a 41yr old man, sure. you're also talking about the 2nd greatest assist man of ALL TIME.
the 4th greatest points man of ALL TIME.

a 4th rounder?

I call bullsh.t.

think it's time I pick up some airfare to philly for a game. this place knows nothing about running a hockey team.

a 4th rounder. holy christ on a crutch.

[Morphine Boy]

JR'S SMOKIN DOOBIES! ALERT THE MEDIA! :eek: :crazy:

[IcyRed]

please, if a 4th rounder is all JR could get.... he needs to find another job.

you're talking about a 41yr old man, sure. you're also talking about the 2nd greatest assist man of ALL TIME.
the 4th greatest points man of ALL TIME.

a 4th rounder?

I call bullsh.t.

think it's time I pick up some airfare to philly for a game. this place knows nothing about running a hockey team.

a 4th rounder. holy christ on a crutch.

Got room for another.....?

icy

[rons#1fan]

I'm really quite shocked at the whole thing :eek: Wasn't Ronnie quoted just recently has saying if he hadn't won 2 Stanley Cups already his bags would be packed???? Don't know what changed his mind. Maybe his frustration level just reached it's max with the Canes. I'm curious on when he plans on retiring and where that jersey will hang when he does?

[sandstorm]

Maybe this means he will come back later and play next year and retire at AS A HURRICANE next year. As it should be...

[Shell]

I'm really quite shocked at the whole thing :eek: Wasn't Ronnie quoted just recently has saying if he hadn't won 2 Stanley Cups already his bags would be packed???? Don't know what changed his mind. Maybe his frustration level just reached it's max with the Canes. I'm curious on when he plans on retiring and where that jersey will hang when he does?

http://www.letsgocanes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=62685

[nccanes]

I agree with Folg - I think JR got Ronnie what he wanted.

Was JR supposed to nix the deal after Ronnie asked him to make it happen?

[moonstomper]

I think Toronto had JR right where they wanted him. Francis requested this trade, JR owed it to Francis to get him Toronto. I wouldnt have been surprised if it were a 5th or 6th round pick

:cry: :cry: :cry: We will miss you Ronnie :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Alicia]

I hate to say it, but where is the loyalty? And credibility has obviously taken a backseat here.

[Turbulence]

I agree with Folg - I think JR got Ronnie what he wanted.

Was JR supposed to nix the deal after Ronnie asked him to make it happen?

Exactly...Ronnie wasn't being shopped until he asked to leave. This was 100% his call...

[nccanes]

Okay - let me just say that if Ronnie says "it's always been my dream to play in Toronto" I'll just puke.

I hope Ronnie makes some very BIG TIME explanantion about his change of heart.

At least Wesley was honest during the whole rumor phase last time.

[Morphine Boy]

Maybe this means he will come back later and play next year and retire at AS A HURRICANE next year. As it should be...

He'll be back. Ronnie's a Hurricane. He always has been and always will be.

[Guyute]

See, the thing is, if JR "got Ronnie what he wanted", which was a move to Toronto, fine, I can deal with that.

But do you honestly believe ALL JR could get for Ronnie frikkin Francis was a 4th round pick, in a draft that's as deep as a puddle?

can anyone say "Baaaaaaaaaaaaaah"?

The Sheeple have left the building.

[caniac369]

AUGH!!!! What the... now this was the LAST thing I thought they'd do... and for a 4th rounder ?? I am completely dumbfounded. :D

[nccanes]

But do you honestly believe ALL JR could get for Ronnie frikkin Francis was a 4th round pick, in a draft that's as deep as a puddle?


Isn't it the 05 draft? Do we already know how bad it will be?

[bradythedevilsfan]

See, the thing is, if JR "got Ronnie what he wanted", which was a move to Toronto, fine, I can deal with that.

But do you honestly believe ALL JR could get for Ronnie frikkin Francis was a 4th round pick, in a draft that's as deep as a puddle?

can anyone say "Baaaaaaaaaaaaaah"?

The Sheeple have left the building.But don't you think that a later round pick is compensation enough for the two months that he'll be a Leaf?

[Flanman]

Well...why tell all of us that "family, home, I have two cups", etc etc if he would do a complete 180 and change his whole thinking in 3 hours time. That's sports for ya, but I thought he had a bit more loyalty to us than that. The trade of Francis brought the dark ages upon this franchise once... oh, what's that, a plague infested cart of bodies, yeah, we'll trade you a 4th rounder for it, sure...

JR, I know you need to do as Ronnie wishes, but you have a bunch of caniacs that love that man. How about thinking about what we want for a change...

Damn it...damn it...damn it...

F bomb, F bomb, F bomb,

#!@#*($*@(#$*@(*%()@#*$#*$()*#(!*#&(%*

I'm gonna take the afternoon off and go drink I think...

00flanagan

[Alicia]

Okay - let me just say that if Ronnie says "it's always been my dream to play in Toronto" I'll just puke.

I hope Ronnie makes some very BIG TIME explanantion about his change of heart.

At least Wesley was honest during the whole rumor phase last time.

Going back to my comment about credibility...

[Morphine Boy]

That whole drowning your sorrows in alcohol might not be a bad idea in this situation.

....wow..... Franchise....

Worst part about this is now I'm actually going to have to pull for the Leafs a little bit.

[agentpreppie]

What are the rules on profanity here?

[MoBigRed]

I think Toronto had JR right where they wanted him. Francis requested this trade, JR owed it to Francis to get him Toronto. I wouldnt have been surprised if it were a 5th or 6th round pick


Agreed. Francis is in likely his last season, and wants a last shot at the Cup. If i'm JR and Francis wants to go to the Leafs at this point, then i do what it takes to get him there.

Did the Canes get market value? Doubtful, but you don't quibble over details in this situation, IMO. You give him away for nothing if it's what it takes. Francis has been one hell of a player for the Canes, and JR did what it took to make him happy. Kudos.

[corylav]

did you expect a first-rounder? Honestly, if you're Toronto, how much would you be willing to give up for a 41-year-old with 30 points. Really. How much? Fourth-rounder sounds about right. I wish Ronnie well, but not the Leafs.

[Bob-in-Alberta]

In my opinion Ron has just gone to Toronto to help out the Canes. They pick up another draft pick to help out in the future and Ron is back after the playoffs and retires to a front office job. If he ends up winning another ring then so much the better for him.

[Morphine Boy]

As upset about this as I am...

Best wishes to Ron Francis. He's a class act and an all around roll model type guy. If going to the Maple Leafs to get another chance at a Stanley Cup is what he wants, then so be it.

I won't be cheering for the Leafs, but you can bet on the fact that I'm pulling for #10.

[Shell]

http://images.ibsys.com/2002/0524/1478783_120X90.jpg

[Guyute]

1. There has been much talk about the next couple years of draftees. last years was the best in a number of years. yes people have a good idea of what's going ot be available in 2 years. Last year, you could have a top 5 pick, and one was pretty much as good as the next. This upcoming year, the top pick will be head and shoulders above 2nd pick, and it greatly decreases each spot.

2. Do I think it's fair compensation for the time he'll spend as a leaf? Who the hell knows how long he'll spend as a leaf. If he retires at the end of this season, then was it worth it to me to move him for a 4th rounder? You've gotta be kidding me.

3. I have no doubt this was Ronnie's call. I suppose that's what bothers the most.

I think I'll remove this great big black, red and white knife now.

[nccanes]

Yeah, I hope this is just shock that's upon me. But I'm not liking this ONE BIT.

I'm sure the Leafs fans will enjoy this for years and years. The leader of the club that beat them in the ECF bails out 2 years later after saying he didn't want to go anywhere.

I'm sorry, I'm very disappointed.

Now to call my kids and hear them cry. :cry:

[Night Train]

Yep, JR will do really well with that pick, like Heerema, Willis, Tanabe, Knazayev, Ritchie, etc.

[Morphine Boy]

http://images.ibsys.com/2002/0524/1478783_120X90.jpg

:cry:

This love-hate relationship with the Canes is too much for me to handle sometimes.

[corylav]

As upset about this as I am...

Best wishes to Ron Francis. He's a class act and an all around roll model type guy. If going to the Maple Leafs to get another chance at a Stanley Cup is what he wants, then so be it.

I won't be cheering for the Leafs, but you can bet on the fact that I'm pulling for #10.

you mean #21, right? Gary Roberts strikes again ...

OH NO! As does Robert Reichel!!!

[moonstomper]

Its gonna be so hard to watch the Canes with no Frannie :cry:

But I do wish him the best :)

[rons#1fan]

I'm really quite shocked at the whole thing :eek: Wasn't Ronnie quoted just recently has saying if he hadn't won 2 Stanley Cups already his bags would be packed???? Don't know what changed his mind. Maybe his frustration level just reached it's max with the Canes. I'm curious on when he plans on retiring and where that jersey will hang when he does?

Maybe I just answered my own question. He's going not for the extra ring or name on the cup - or like he said, he would have been gone already. There is another reason and I'm just hoping it's to help the Canes out, get additional ice time to figure out if he could go another year etc.

[nccanes]

As I said I'm in shock, but Francis has to explain his comments and how/why they changed. Until then, I'm not about to be rah-rahing for Ronnie.

Shell, is that just an apropos photo, or is that really from his departure?

[brindy17]

well this stinks worse than yesterday's garbage...Bah, as if the season wasn't going poorly enough. One thing that will be interesting is to see how fans react. Most of us on here are smart enough to understand the deal (at least to an extent) as not falling upon the management, but will our southern hockey fan brethren see it the same way? I really hope that this doesn't lead to more negativity toward our management, bc as others have said, I don't fault them in this one- they did the right thing. still sad tho :sad: ...

[nccanes]

Well at least the Ronnie trade set a new lgc user record. I guess we all give a sh*t about Ronnie more than we did Mo.

[Guyute]

that pic is what WRAL put up on their site.

[MrCabal]

*sigh* I should have known that the #10 Replica Jersey I got off E-Bay for $65 was a sign....

I haven't even had it a week yet :mad:

another "BaaaaaaaaH"

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

If it isn't O, it's Ronnie. I was so excited cause I just finished a political science test and it was getting sooooo close to 3 and our team was still a team. I ran back to make sure nothing too drastic had happened, and OF COURSE, the one who is gone is our Captain. Why do these guys make me so emotional?! :cry: I hope it's only a rental, he really needs to retire a Cane, there's just no other way. And honestly, if he retired as a Leaf, I'd go completely psycho.

[Morphine Boy]

What about the guys in the locker-room???

This is gonna KILL moral through the rest of the season.

[nccanes]

One can only assume that if Ron decides that this season is his last, he'll resign with the Canes and then retire (like Barrasso did with the Pens).

If he chose to retire a Leaf. Well he's not the man I thought he was. (Not that I expect that.)

In fact, I would hope he would say as much to us fans that believed him over the last few weeks.

[agentpreppie]

Screw the censors, damn it all to hell. Just when I was starting to get excited about the last few homegames. This sucks major ass as a fan. If he gets inducted into the HOF as a Leaf, I'll go up there and burn the place down.

[EpiK-KA14]

Okay - let me just say that if Ronnie says "it's always been my dream to play in Toronto" I'll just puke.

I hope Ronnie makes some very BIG TIME explanantion about his change of heart.

At least Wesley was honest during the whole rumor phase last time.

From ESPN:

Francis is moving to the team he rooted for while growing up.


"Every kid grows up dreaming of playing for them," Francis said of the Leafs.

[Mookie]

Perhaps Ron will be invigorated by another playoff run instead of finishing on a losing note. This could bode well for him to want to come back one more time next year... with the Canes. If not, I believe he will be back in Raleigh with a front office job.

There will still be a Ron Francis night with his jersey being retired. Just because he's playing with another team for the next month+ doesn't mean he shouldn't still have his night here in Carolina. Not having a Ron Francis night would be more tragic than his playing in Toronto for a month or so.

There will be a Ron Francis night in Carolina with a packed house. Anyone who feels like they should boo would be better off buying a ticket to a different game. I'll be there cheering for Ronnie and honoring the accomplishments of his Hall of Fame NHL career. :)

[lvscolencanes]

I am just so sick to my tummy, and I am sooo upset. Joey told me I was ridiculous for crying but this is a very sad day in Canes Country....our leader is leaving...this just sucks!!!

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

I am just so sick to my tummy, and I am sooo upset. Joey told me I was ridiculous for crying but this is a very sad day in Canes Country....our leader is leaving...this just sucks!!!
Glad to know I'm not the only one. *wipes away a tear*

[Shell]

I'm streaming like a freakin fountain.

[Jeff O Rocks]

My hope is that our team gets a little fired up and pissed off and wins the remaining games...

[nccanes]

Okay - let me just say that if Ronnie says "it's always been my dream to play in Toronto" I'll just puke.

I hope Ronnie makes some very BIG TIME explanantion about his change of heart.

At least Wesley was honest during the whole rumor phase last time.

From ESPN:

Francis is moving to the team he rooted for while growing up.


"Every kid grows up dreaming of playing for them," Francis said of the Leafs.

OMG.

http://www.tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/puking.gif


Hmmm. My kids are growing up dreaming of being Ron Francis. Not just how he plays, but who he is. Guess I'll sit down and explain why he changed his mind and let his fanbase believe something that wasn't true. I guess I'll have to wait to hear his explanation.

[agentpreppie]

From NHL.com "Francis said Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford began talking to him about waiving his no-trade clause Monday, and he told the team he was willing to consider a move Tuesday morning."

So JR was the culprit. Sure Ronnie agreed to it but JR went to him, not vice versa.

[Staal-aholic]

don't get upset with the whole "every kid" stuff, because they do, just like kids in Carolina want to be a Cane, The fact is most of the NHL didn't know where Raliegh was before they moved here, The leafs have a long history and every kid liked the leafs, they had no choice, leafs or habs. I wish Ronnie luck and I hope the leaves win the cup now.

[PhilEsposito]

Listen up boys and girls........... If Ronnie wanted to go then I'm glad JR has done this. Glad for Ronnie, not the Canes. I don't think JR was shopping him.

A 4th round pick is precious plenty and actually a great deal for a guy who is slated to retire in a couple of months. Those who complain that how can you only get a pick for hall of fame player should think about what you would pay for 65 Mercedes with 400,000 miles that you are buying for transportation and not for an antique auto? Like it or not, love him or not, Ronnie is about used up as a hockey player. He was planning to retire. Could he go one more season as a 4th liner? perhaps, but is he going to be a great numbers contributor, no. Is he good to have in the locker room? of course, but he has never been the type of captain that turns the team around.

I love him for who he is, and what he has done, but if he wants another crack at the cup, I won't be the one to complain. IF he comes back next year, it will prolly be here. The only thing i hate about it is that he has gone to the Leafs who I happen to hate the most of all the teams in hockey. BTW I hate the Leafs because of their fans, not their players, although a world without Domi would be a good thing.

Good luck to Ronnie. I wish I could pull his team, but that's not in the cards. I hope he DOES come back next year. He will not stay with the Leafs after the season. I don't think they would even want him.

[Jeff O Rocks]

From NHL.com "Francis said Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford began talking to him about waiving his no-trade clause Monday, and he told the team he was willing to consider a move Tuesday morning."

So JR was the culprit. Sure Ronnie agreed to it but JR went to him, not vice versa.

JR is a fuc*in weasel and I don't trust him nor believe a word that comes out of his mouth.. :mad:

[nccanes]

From NHL.com "Francis said Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford began talking to him about waiving his no-trade clause Monday, and he told the team he was willing to consider a move Tuesday morning."

So JR was the culprit. Sure Ronnie agreed to it but JR went to him, not vice versa.

JR said he would bring offers to Ronnie. And that's what he did.


Oh and can I just say I'm so glad I waited until after the trade deadline before buying tickets to the final homegame. I was going to spend big $ to try to get near the bench to see (possibly) Ronnie's last NHL game. No need now.

I'm sorry, if Ronnie plays his last NHL game in a Leaf's sweater - that's just not right.

[nccanes]

From NHL.com "Francis said Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford began talking to him about waiving his no-trade clause Monday, and he told the team he was willing to consider a move Tuesday morning."

So JR was the culprit. Sure Ronnie agreed to it but JR went to him, not vice versa.

JR is a fuc*in weasel and I don't trust him nor believe a word that comes out of his mouth.. :mad:

I won't call Ronnie a weasel, but I'll say that the rest of what you wrote is how I feel about Ronnie right now. :sad:

[Stormbringer]

Well, obviously I'll have lots of mixed feelings on what I finally finished writing in my blog (http://stormbringer10.blogspot.com/). (The entry titled "Good Bye Mr. Chips")

[Shell]

Thanks for saving me all the typing E. I agree with everything you have said.
(I hope somehow that Angie, Shawn, and Jen finish their vacation without hearing the news.)

[SouthernCaniac]

nccanes, your post made me start crying all over again..."My kids grew up wanting to be ron francis". I've already read on other boards posters saying people who are upset with this trade are just southerners who dont know hockey. WTF??? We know it well enough to have kids who are going to be crushed when they come home from school and find out their hero just chose to move to the team we hate the most in the world :cry:

[Shell]

please, they just aren't relating.. ask them how they feel about Gilmour.

[petecaniac]

Article from N&O website:

Tuesday, March 9, 2004 2:16PM EST

Ron Francis traded to Toronto


By LUKE DECOCK, STAFF WRITER

RALEIGH - The Carolina Hurricanes lost their biggest star Tuesday when captain and future Hall-of-Famer Ron Francis accepted a trade to the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Francis, second in NHL history in assists and fourth in points, changed his mind and agreed to waive his no-trade clause. The Canes shipped him to Toronto for a fourth-round draft pick before Tuesday's 3 p.m. trade deadline.

"Every kid in Ontario dreams about playing for them at some point," the native of Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, said. "I think it's an opportunity if this is going to be the end of my career to finish it in a different way with a chance and an opportunity and I thought I should take advantage of it."

The Hurricanes are 12 points out of a playoff spot with 14 games to play. Although Francis has remained noncommital, this is expected to be his last season in the NHL.

Francis had 30 points in 68 games with the Canes this season and is the franchise leader in games played, points, goals, assists, hat tricks and power-play goals.

He will be an unrestricted free agent in July.

The 41-year-old was originally drafted by the franchise in 1981, when it was the Hartford Whalers, and traded to the Pittsburgh Penguins in 1991. He won two Stanley Cups with the Penguins before returning as a free agent in 1998 and leading the Hurricanes to the Stanley Cup finals in 2002.

Francis and Gordie Howe are the only players in NHL history to post 22 consecutive 50-point seasons, a streak in jeopardy this year.

Over the past month, Francis had said repeatedly he had no interest in waiving his no-trade clause. One team, believed to be the Vancouver Canucks, called Monday afternoon to see if Francis had changed his mind. He turned down that team, but accepted the trade to Toronto the next morning.

In doing so, the Hurricanes lost their biggest star, most marketable player and the public face of the franchise.

"In our business, unfortunately, it happens a lot," Francis said.

"Certainly this is an area that my family and I really like. We built a house that we moved into last year and we plan on settling roots down here. I had no intent to uproot everybody and run out of town, but I'll go there and take a run and hopefully have some success there."

[rons#1fan]

PhilEspo - are you serious...Ronnie used up as a player!!! Maybe his decision to move is to prove to people that he's not! He's made some pretty awesome plays (setups) where there hasn't been anyone to follow thru with it. You look around the league and there isn't one player that does it all by himself! Don't sell him short... and come on folks - Ronnie is and always will be a class act and I'm sure there are some pretty justifiable reasons for this. He WILL be back with us. Look at all the trades for the playoff run...Ronnie's not done or he would have retired instead of going to Toronto. He wants to PLAY and what we've been doing out there this season hasn't been good hockey.

[Jeff O Rocks]

Good luck Ronnie.. hope the Leafs' lose in 4... and I would have said that without Ronnie playing for them! :mad:

[nccanes]

nccanes, your post made me start crying all over again..."My kids grew up wanting to be ron francis". I've already read on other boards posters saying people who are upset with this trade are just southerners who dont know hockey. WTF??? We know it well enough to have kids who are going to be crushed when they come home from school and find out their hero just chose to move to the team we hate the most in the world :cry:

Get another tissue.

I hadn't called home yet (my kids have an afterschool sitter) when my cell phone rang, I could tell from caller id it was from home. A very shaky voice said "Mom, I just went on the internet and it says that Ron Francis was traded.... to the Maple Leafs..... is that true?". I said "yup". Then there was silence. Then I said "do you think you can pull for the Maple Leafs?" and he said "nope". I said "good me either, we'll watch the playoffs together and pull against them". He said "okay" and hung up.

[chandongirl]

I just keeping thinking about the fact that this is a business, things aren't always easy.....

Good Luck Ron.....

[folgersnyourcup]

Well this sucks. He obviously was a big part of this team and I'd wager to bet that not a one of us is elated to see him go. Though his points total is down this year, I really think that he still has it...I can't even begin to think of how many countless great passes I've seen him pull off this season only to have the majority of them fanned on or shot wide. Obviously the team this year had the unfortunate problem of several of our top scorers slumping all at the same time. This is no direct dig at any players in particular, just saying that I personally still think that Francis still has a great hockey sense and has a lot offer as an assist-man. This is in response to what he was traded for...a 4th round pick. I find that ridiculous. I understand it was his choice to be traded, though I am displeased to say the least as I wanted to see him finish out this season here and I'm not a fan of Toronto... But surely JR could have done better than a 4th round draft pick???? I'm personally about tired of his crap. Perhaps a "Give back your GM of the year award" banner is needed... :sad:

[Guyute]

welp, I'm pretty sick after reading that article.

perhaps not THE classiest guy in the league afterall.

[nccanes]

welp, I'm pretty sick after reading that article.

perhaps not THE classiest guy in the league afterall.

Yeah, where are the quotes about how much the fans meant to him here. Oh, it's probably Luke DeCock's fault for leaving that part out - he seems to get most of the blame in these cases.

It makes is sound like Raleigh's a nice place, cheap real estate, and good schools.

[parkwoodcaniac]

This is going to make an already unbearable year WORSE! :mad:

[StormShaman]

If you guys feel you can't cheer for the 'Canes anymore because the Captain is gone, well I can't say that I blame you and I'm sorry to see you go. I felt the same way when Malik got traded--and he meant far, far less to this team in the grand scheme of things than the Eternal Captain. I'm not happy with Rutherford about this trade either, but I just can't bring myself to stop cheering for the guys on the ice because of it.

This trade looks like a rental--it has to be a rental. I can't see it being anything but that, given what the return was. I can't cheer for the Leafs at all--not now, not ever. But even so, I'll wish Ron the best and await his return on the first day of July, because he is our Captain and this is our team and I believe that he will finish his career wearing the Sightless Eye of Carolina.

'Canes to the bloody bitter end, guys. http://media.TheInsiders.com/Media/Other/229031_grouphug.GIF

I know some of y'all read this on fanhome already--but rather than rewrite the same post here I pretty much copy-and-pasted.

[Mookie]

It would be a nice consolation to see Ronnie go on a bit of a tear and put up 20 points in the 13 games the Leafs have remaining. There must have been at least 20 missed opportunities on the Canes for assists that went high and wide or were flubbed. But it's probably too little too late to reach the 50 point mark. :sad:

[caveman]

That whole drowning your sorrows in alcohol might not be a bad idea in this situation.

....wow..... Franchise....

Worst part about this is now I'm actually going to have to pull for the Leafs a little bit.

Is there a way for Ronnie to win the Cup as a Leaf, but yet still prevent Domi from getting his name on the Cup? That's really my only question. I wouldn't mind seeing Ronnie and Roberts hoist the Cup.

[IcyRed]

Here is my take FWIW,

RF, used up as a player? Probably. Have you really watched him play this year? The same exact level of play from someone other than Mr. Francis would most definitely get booed, get the fans into a trade him type frenzy.

This game isn't about making your fans happy, (although it's a huge part of the equation) it's about winning the Stanley Cup. Regardless of what the press says, put yourself in Ron's position. You're at the end of an unbelievable career, do you want one more chance at the Holy Grail? regardless of how much you love your fans, you know what you'd do, you'd ask for another chance, once you retire you get no more chances.

Any of you out there near retirement age? Given it any thought lately? Sure there's golf, fishing, hunting, etc, any of that crap come close to giving you the feeling skating Lord Stanley's cup around the ice gives you.(whomever the ice belongs to?) Nah, didn't think so.


In Ron's favor, and imnsho, If you are a true competitor, you are always going to want one more chance to win it all, period.

Not in Ron's favor: You could have at least trusted us as hockey fans enough to say what is/was really driving you and that sure "If I get a chance, I'm going to take it" Not the party line BS you handed us.

Leaf's out in four!!! I hope you like your new team mates Mr. Franchise

icy

(It's been 36 years since a Leaf skated with the Cup, I don't see it happening any time soon.)

[caveman]

We know it well enough to have kids who are going to be crushed when they come home from school and find out their hero just chose to move to the team we hate the most in the world :cry:

When did the Devils move to Toronto? :)

[Esbee]

First, let's all admit to ourselves the value of LGC and other outlets in allowing us to vent our frustration. Okay. Now that we've had an hour or so to calm down, I feel some rationalization coming over me. I'm open to other opinions, but I'm firm on one thing - I don't blame Ronnie.

Ron Francis is one of the classiest guys in all of professional sports, period. He has been a tremendous ambassador for hockey in the Triangle and a selfless inspriation on the ice.

I believe his is dedicated to the area and considers this his home...and he'll come back once he's done, although maybe not as a player. None of us can be sure why he decided to waive, but I'll bet it's a good reason. What would constitute a good reason? Take your pick -

- One last shot at a cup with his old "home town" team. There's nothing wrong with that.
- It helps the 'Canes with draft pick. Not a great pick, but a pick.
- Maybe "O" was set to go and Ronnie was the only other one we could possibly offer...and he stepped up.

Finally, gang, Ronnies' entire career is an example of a great player who works outside the spotlight and is more than happy to share in the success of others. Maybe he just did this for himself - that would be very much unlike him - but if he did, I say, "Good for you, Ron Francis, and good luck in the playoffs." ;)

[agentpreppie]

Ron Francis is one of the classiest guys in all of professional sports, period. He has been a tremendous ambassador for hockey in the Triangle and a selfless inspriation on the ice.

I believe his is dedicated to the area and considers this his home...and he'll come back once he's done, although maybe not as a player.

Considering he just finished building a custom house this past fall, I think he will be back, at least for the off-season. He really should get some job as a PR guy for the Canes. With as much respect as everyone has/had for him here, it'd be pretty easy for him to warm everyone up to the coolest game in the world. I'm so funny.

[rons#1fan]

Thank You..Thank You Esbee....I needed that entry.

[caniac24]

I don't know if he'll be back or not guys................................... :cry:


"Every kid in Ontario dreams about playing for them at some point," the native of Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, said. "I think it's an opportunity if this is going to be the end of my career to finish it in a different way with a chance and an opportunity and I thought I should take advantage of it."


"Certainly this is an area that my family and I really like. We built a house that we moved into last year and we plan on settling roots down here. I had no intent to uproot everybody and run out of town, but I'll go there and take a run and hopefully have some success there."

Quotes from the N&O.

[Staal-aholic]

HOW IS JR THE WEASEL? its not like he wanted that pick so bad he was salivating. Ronnie said what he said to get the press off his back. Ronnie wanted to go and Bourque is a weasel for going to Colorado. He is a player and players want the cup. JR did nothing claseless, there is no reason to get on his case.

[nccanes]

The full audio of the press conference is available here:

http://www.carolinahurricanes.com/news/news.asp?articleid=1203

I guess it make me feel a smidge better, but I'm still not satisfied with his explanation about misleading the fans.

And he leaves NO QUESTION, that this was HIS DECISION and thanks JR for handling it the way he did. In fact he said "I'm not even sure what the they (the Canes) got in return". So I think JR did exactly what Ronnie wanted and I guess he wasn't "taking one for the team" if he didn't even ask how this helped the Canes.

[Night Train]

I don't think he'll be back....... as a player.

[Stormbringer]

Thank You..Thank You Esbee....I needed that entry.

What she said. Best post I've read today Esbee...very well written. http://www.electrichyena.com/other/redthumb.gif

[Jeff O Rocks]

HOW IS JR THE WEASEL? its not like he wanted that pick so bad he was salivating. Ronnie said what he said to get the press off his back. Ronnie wanted to go and Bourque is a weasel for going to Colorado. He is a player and players want the cup. JR did nothing claseless, there is no reason to get on his case.

I am not basing JR's "weaselhood" just on this alone.. JR lies sometimes and I have no respect for him.. I know you have to be shrewd and cunning in this business, but I don't believe him when he says his name is Jim Rutherford.. sorry.. that is my opinion..

I am glad he didn't trade O, but with his shoulder injury he didn't have a choice.. if O hadn't been hurt, he would be wearing another jersey right now.. I am 100% certain of that..

[tommy]

I hate to say it, but where is the loyalty? And credibility has obviously taken a backseat here.

As much as I hate to say it, too, that was my first though: "Why Ronnie?" It was Ron's choice, though, but I wish he wouldn't have flat out lied to the N and O. But I'll read the explanations and calm down.

I'll post again when I'm not in shock. (I'm at school and just found out about 5 minutes ago.)

[rons#1fan]

"We PLAN on settling down roots here"....not PLANNED - that implies he will be back and the last thing he wanted to do was uproot the family - something or someone had to change his mind to make this decision and he states because of the decision he hopes at least something good will come out of it since it probably wasn't something he was PLANNING on doing. Maybe he was guaranteed a position back with the organization if he went etc.

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

HOW IS JR THE WEASEL? its not like he wanted that pick so bad he was salivating. Ronnie said what he said to get the press off his back. Ronnie wanted to go and Bourque is a weasel for going to Colorado. He is a player and players want the cup. JR did nothing claseless, there is no reason to get on his case.
I am not basing JR's "weaselhood" just on this alone.. JR lies sometimes and I have no respect for him.. I know you have to be shrewd and cunning in this business, but I don't believe him when he says his name is Jim Rutherford.. sorry.. that is my opinion..

Yeah, I kinda gotta go with you on this JOR. Now that I've heard it from Ronnie's mouth that he wanted this, he wasn't pressured, etc etc, I don't blame JR in the least. But with other things in the past, you have to take what he says with a grain of salt. He's been shady with saying one thing and then doing the other within a matter of weeks. Glad to know that he didn't pressure Ron, but I still don't like or trust the guy.

[tommy]

Oh, btw, IcyRed, I nominate yours for best post in this thread.

[mikus]

no!
why that?

[nccanes]

JR has been up front about entertaining offers for O'Neill. Fans might not like it, but he hasn't misled them at all.

I don't understand how we're still bashing JR when he did exactly what Ronnie wanted.

Maybe I'm grumpy, but if we're going to bash JR for whatever reason (outside of the Francis trade), could another thread be started to do so?

[agentpreppie]

"We PLAN on settling down roots here"....not PLANNED - that implies he will be back and the last thing he wanted to do was uproot the family - something or someone had to change his mind to make this decision and he states because of the decision he hopes at least something good will come out of it since it probably wasn't something he was PLANNING on doing. Maybe he was guaranteed a position back with the organization if he went etc.

They can't make any official agreements about returning per the rules but you know it's part of the informal discussions. For instance, Wesley last season. Most everyone knew he'd be back this season but there was nothing on paper saying that. Toronto wasn't counting on him coming back and Carolina was counting on resigning him but no one with a stake in the deals could say anything.

[rons#1fan]

I heard the interview and I feel a lot better about things. I don't think Ronnie sounded all that happy about it...I think he was very careful on his wording, he did mention the way this town and people have treated him and his family and the whole loyalty with the fans regarding the Stanley Cup run. I guess I read more positive things than most..the fact that he said JR came to him and asked him if he would consider waiving his no-trade and he thought about it and I'm sure right now he's justifying it for himself and not blaming the organization in hopes that he will be back.

[nccanes]

..the fact that he said JR came to him and asked him if he would consider waiving his no-trade and he thought about it and I'm sure right now he's justifying it for himself and not blaming the organization in hopes that he will be back.

JR came to him and told him that he had OFFERS for him.

Why would Ronnie blame the organization? For what?

I'm sorry, that's bull****. JR did what he said he would do and told Ronnie had had interest from Toronto.

[HubbyHatesHockey]

Just thought of something: Toronto plays tonight... will Ronnie be in the lineup?

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

The very first thing out of his mouth though when he says "I'm going to the Maple Leafs" or whatever, sounded very quiet. I've been known to read way too much into things, but I think the way he said that but went on with the rest of the interview says a lot. I don't know why, it just kind of struck me. Sounded a little depressed, maybe in shock that he's announcing it to the press.

Geez...never thought I'd see the day. :sad:

[nccanes]

The very first thing out of his mouth though when he says "I'm going to the Maple Leafs" or whatever, sounded very quiet. I've been known to read way too much into things, but I think the way he said that but went on with the rest of the interview says a lot. I don't know why, it just kind of struck me. Sounded a little depressed, maybe in shock that he's announcing it to the press.

Geez...never thought I'd see the day. :sad:

Can someone point me to a time that Ronnie's voice was full of emotion? As ticked as I am, I don't expect Ronnie to be jumping for joy in a press conference for a club he's LEAVING - especially after he said just days ago he wouldn't.

I think I need to stay away from this thread. Ronnie and JR have a great deal of respect for each other. I can't imagine a scenario that Ronnie would feel like he needed to protect the organization for pressuring him to waive his clause because he wanted a job? Please, that's LAUGHABLE.

Ronnie could have a job with any club in any city, let alone the fact that he's made 15 mil in the last 3 years alone.

Ugh.

[Sparky]

My condolences, folks, this can't be easy for y'all. Seeing Bondra break down into tears, his voice cracking, three or four times during his farewell press conference was so sad. The Sens realized that by making that trade they didn't just gain Peter Bondra, they gained a whole bunch of Caps fans for the playoffs. I can't see y'all cheering for the Leafs, I know I can't, but I will be cheering for Francis as long as he's not playing the Caps.

This too shall pass.

[nccanes]

Thanks Sparky.

[Solracer]

I'm sorry that Francis is gone however... I would rather have Traded Ronnie and Kept Jeff O bad year or not.

[talkingcanes]

I never expected to see this trade, but I'm with nccanes. JR did what he said he was going to do. Ronnie is the one who changed his mind.

That said, I don't blame either of them one bit. Ronnie is a 41 year old UFA who nearly everyone believed was going to retire after this season. You're not going to get a warm body for that trade. My speculation is that Francis has made his decision on retirement and wanted another chance at a Cup. I wouldn't expect him to be jumping with joy at a press conference. He is too classy for that and I'm sure the emotions are mixed. We will get him back for the long term. Maybe not on the ice, but as part of the organization.

Maybe Francis wanted to go to Toronto more than Toronto wanted him so the 4th rounder is all they would offer. Once Ronnie decided to go then JR made his best deal IMO.

As absolutely unbelievably hard as it will be to see Ronnie with that Leaf on his chest and not to see him in a Canes' uniform. If that's what he wants, then good for him and good for JR for getting it for him.

[rons#1fan]

As attached to Ronnie as I am - and believe me I've been with him since the Whaler days....I can't find it in my heart to think anything bad of him. No one knows what has happened or what conversations JR and him have had in the past and most recently and I can understand everyone feeling like crap right but if you would put yourself in his shoes, and think about the CBA coming up and possibly NO HOCKEY for awhile, would you like to end your career on this kind of note...wouldn't you want to have the opportunity to extend your play as long as possible? Wouldn't you want to have some opportunities to improve on your stats and possibly go to the playoffs one more time? I think YES would be most everyones answer. I'll back him all the way...

[nccanes]

My ONLY reservation (if it's not been obvious to this point) is that he led the fanbase to believe he wouldn't go anywhere.

If he'd been up front about it as Glen Wesley was last year, as Hill is this year, as JR is about the O'Neill trade talk, then I'd be in a much different frame of mind.

Of course, everyone makes mistakes, but it would be nice to admit that his comment about staying were premature and that he regretted misleading the fans.

[Stormbringer]

Other than what I posted in my blog, I can't really say anything else about this other than praise those whose posts I find myself agreeing with the most. ..very, VERY WELL SAID TC and Rons#1. I too just can't think ill of Ronnie because of all that was said in those two posts. No, I don't like that he went to the Leafs (Not that I like his leaving, but I wish Ronnie went to Ottawa instead), but I'm still a fan of him...who says someone can't have a last minute changing of their mind? I honestly think that's what happened here, whether or not it's admitted.

[rons#1fan]

We still don't know what happened as far as the negotiations. So when Ronnie made the statement that if he hadn't won 2 Stanely Cups already he would have his bags packed by now. Maybe he honestly meant that and we don't know what transpired after that.

Maybe what Mona said kind of touched on it a little. Maybe it was Jeff that Toronot wanted (and that WAS rumored) but with his injury that fell through and the offer came to Ronnie. Yes, it was Ronnie's finally decision but maybe that where the "class act" came in and acted upon it. We will never know and I don't believe he intentionally tried to snow the fans...but again, that's your opinion and I respect that.

[hyena]

i still can't believe this. :sad:

we were around back after practice today. ronnie stopped and signed for everyone, there was no inkling that anything out of the ordinary was happening. then as he's driving away, the security guy informs us about the trade and we're all just openmouthed in disbelief. i NEVER expected this.

a 4th round pick? give me a f-ing break. :mad:

and this --
""Every kid grows up dreaming of playing for them," Francis said of the Leafs.
honestly, this makes me want to throw up.

[rons#1fan]

I just find it odd that it was Toronto that made the offer and it was Toronto that was rumored to want O'Neill so I think things just happened, for whatever reason, and everyone JR, Ronnie etc. tried to make a good thing of an unfortunate event. That's just one idea...as far fetched as a lot might think but it can't be any further than Ronnie not being honest about things.

[rons#1fan]

i still can't believe this. :sad:

we were around back after practice today. ronnie stopped and signed for everyone, there was no inkling that anything out of the ordinary was happening. then as he's driving away, the security guy informs us about the trade and we're all just openmouthed in disbelief. i NEVER expected this.


I sure wish I had gone back there after practice :cry: Who knows when we'll see him again....

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

I hope what I said earlier didn't mislead anyone. I guess I just don't know how to get across what's going on in my head. I'm definitely not blaming Ron or JR for this at all. JR did what he said he'd do and it was Ron's choice. I'm really happy for him, if this is what he wants. Part of me wants him to get what he deserves, another chance for the Cup (note: I'm cheering for Ron, and Ron alone, NOT the Leafs), but the other part is just torn up. Nonetheless, its over and done with, and now we just have to see what comes of it.

[Stormbringer]

(note: I'm cheering for Ron, and Ron alone, NOT the Leafs)

Me and thee...me and thee. Again, I wish Ron had went to the Senators, a team I am very willing to cheer for. I abhor the Leafs, but still wish Ron AND ONLY Ron the best.

[cmw00]

Why in the world would toronto want Francis? I think a 4th round pick for Francis who basically said in the article posted in this thread that this is his last season, was a nice return. How can you be mad at Ron for wanting one more shot at glory? How can anybody be mad at JR for trading Ron? He was gonna loose him for nothing probaly, so why not trade him if he wanted it, and if a team wanted him?

I don't understand the whole deal, and it sure is shocking, but oh well thats sports, no need to get very upset over it.....

[murda338]

What a freakin waste of a deadline we got zilcho done, we lost Ron, didnt deal hill for whatever reason whom gave up his clause a week ago (Like a man would and wouldnt put his team on the spot all in the same day)

His actions today are easily comparable to a JOKE!

[Night Train]

It aint over yet...

[EpiK-KA14]

Yes it is. Deadline was 3pm.

[murda338]

How is it not over I thought the deadline was at 3?

My day as I see it is over.

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

There could be a lot more trades that just haven't been announced. The physical trading action is over, but we'll prolly be hearing stuff all night.

[agentpreppie]

Yes it is. Deadline was 3pm.

They just have to report to the NHL by 3pm, they don't have to go public by 3. Wait until 7 or so.

Agent

[rkbrasse]

Yes it is. Deadline was 3pm.
Trades have to be in to the league office by 3. Announcements will go on for a bit.

[MoBigRed]

The deadline was 3.00, but not everything was immediately announced. Case in point, it was announced within the past 5 minutes that Geoff Sanderson is now a Canuck.

Once tonight's games start up it should all be wrapped up though. But don't hold your breath yet. It's still quite possible someone else was dealt, but we just don't know about it yet.

[CaniacKikiBB13]

What was JR thinking?? Not only did he trade the heart, soul and leader of our team, but he traded him for a 4th round draft pick?? I am very dissapointed in this trade and that francis gave up on his team. Where is the dedication and loyalty he said he had for this franchise?? But he was given the opportunity to go for the cup agian and is approaching his last season (if this isn't already it), can you blame the guy?? I probaly would've takent he opportunity as well.. I still have the upmost respect for him and will always be a fan of his. However he should have said it was a possibility so this wouldn't be such a shock!! I just hope that they sign him the second he becomes a free agent this summer or the attendance at games next season is going to sink even lower. Francis and JR have some MAJOR explaining to do.

[barenakedCaniac]

F bomb

quoted for mother-(f bomb)ing TRUTH

[talkingcanes]

Francis didn't give up on the team. This season is done and he's got a shot a the Cup again. I don't think he'll commit to another season unless he knows the CBA is worked out, and maybe not even then. I'm sure he will retire here since they have just built a new house and his children have essentially been raised here. He'll still be a part of this organization's future, but probably not on the ice. #10 will still hang from the rafters at the RBC, sooner rather than later, I suspect.

[Motorcat]

I never figured it would be Ron who would be the one to go.... I hate it for myself but if this is what hev wants then I wish him the best.

---It will be awefully tough for me to cheer the Leafs during the playoffs even with Ron -- This justs sucks all around!!

:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

[CaniacKikiBB13]

---It will be awefully tough for me to cheer the Leafs during the playoffs even with Ron -- This justs sucks all around!!

:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

ditto

[nccanes]

According to TML.com, none of today's acquisitions will play tonight.

From the main page:



None of the new additions will be in the lineup for Tuesday night's tilt with the visiting Florida Panthers

[tommy]

Hmm, that's weird... ESPN says Francis is expected to play tonight. Guess we'll see.

[nccanes]

Snagged from a tml board:

Well, Francis was just interviewed via telephone on Sportsnet, and he indicated that Toronto was the only team that he was willing to waive his no trade clause for. He called coming to Toronto a "special opportunity", considering that he grew up in Ontario idolizing the Leafs.

They also asked him what he'd think about playing 6 or 7 minutes on the fourth line, and he said he's willing to do any role that they want him to do. "Whatever it takes to win".

[SCCaniac]

For some reason this just doen't sit well with me. I realize that this is all very fresh and we don't know all the terms but I really never thought Ron would ditch the Canes. I can't help but feel a little betrayed. We'll see what unfolds as time goes on.

[murda338]

All ive got to say is call up someone who actually wants to play for us

[CaniacKikiBB13]

I have mixed feelings toward the trade. On one hand, I feel betrayed and sad, but on the other hand I feel that he definatly deserves to go for the cup agian. Considering the season next year is probaly gonna be a lockout and the fact that his retirement is quickly approaching, who can blame him for taking another go at the cup?? But, I would definatly feel more accepting towards the trade if he had let us know his desire to take one last go for it instead of telling us what he did, but I guess things come up at the last minute. He is a great man and deserves everything that comes to him. I just wish I knew for sure that there was gonna be a season next year and that he would be back in a canes jersey, then I'd feel A LOT better (but wouldn't we all??) ;)

[nccanes]

JRs comments about the trade are also on the Canes website now.

He said he would have done anything to get Ronnie the chance he wanted - even if it meant no pick/player in return.

He sounds very sad that Ronnie won't play his final (presumed) NHL game in a Canes uniform.

[n0rea11y]

The one thing about this deal that doesn't sit well with me is I know Boston was interested in Francis and I'm sure would have paid more than a 4th. It seems Francis may have made it public unintentionally or not that he only waived his no trade to TO thus limiting Rutherford's ability to negotiate. Something else I've noticed from lurking on trade sites this whole year (the only thing fun to read about the Canes) is that just about every player that should be traded has a no trade clause. Any time a Cane's rumor was proposed it was inevitable the next post was "oh he has a no trade clause." Who'd we have with clauses; Hedican, Rod, Francis, Hill, Wesley? Do we give out no trade clauses like candy? Its really limiting our ability to rebuild.

[murda338]

yea I noticed that to why the hell did we sign all these no trade clauses? It's dumb, and its handcuffing us now and i hope JR learns from this.

[cmw00]

I doubt the canes would have gotten more from Boston, especially with them Getting Nylander Gonchar, and sombody else today didn't they?

And at the time most of those "no trade clauses" were signed, the words rebuilding phase made any caniac laugh!

[CANESFREAKinDET]

I feel the same way. One one end, it's like betrayal and I'm sad but then I think he wanted a chance to win the Cup...but to me, the last 12 games and then the playoffs are not truly earning it with the team. You have to sweat it out the whole season...he coulda had that opportunity, if there is a next season, to stick out next season and try with us....:( I don't understand this...I woulda thought it was Hill or even Irbe to go, but now I see it was Francis and we're gonna be without that leadership for the rest of the season, it really blows. :(

Wasn't this the same guy, who on ESPN said that he was refusing under any circumstance to waive his no trade clause because family outweighed a chance at the championship? And that raleigh was his home and he was staying put? I know all the facts that he wanted to help and free up some of the payroll for the better of the team and that he wanted his chance and JR greatly wanted to give it to him, but please! JR, this was an atrocious trade....a 4th round pick???? You couldn't have at least wrangled a player??? This is freakin' Ron Francis!!! Thanks a freakin lot....

I don't know, I'm just miserable now...I thought this was our valiant captain who was staying with us through thick and thin...his experience with TO might change his mind about even returning for one last season with us...excuse me for losing a little faith, but this just sucks...REALLY sucks.... :( :(

[CANESFREAKinDET]

Oh no, and here come the waterworks for me...just set in... :( :cry:

[Night Train]

Well, now that I've thought about the day's events for a while...

I think Francis was done after this season either way and wanted to take another shot. I'm as disappointed about it as anyone (as anyone who say my initial post would attest), but there are two things I can do about it:

1. Get over it.

2. Die pi$$ed off.

It sucks, but in the grand scheme of things, there's not much that could be done other than win more games to not make this an option in the future.

By the way, Soylent Green is People, don't be fooled into thinking otherwise! :vamp:

[VandyCane]

I have finally gotten to post after today's shocking developments. NCCANES I am in complete agreement with everything you have posted today. I was more upset than sad about this until I read about you having to talk to your kids about this. That has really brought the tears to my eyes. As a mom of two kids, my heart goes out to you and your kids.

I am soooo dissapointed in Ron Francis. Yes, I understand that as a competitive athlete you always want to give it your all.....but I wished he hadn't lied to us two weeks ago. If he had stated from the beginning that there were one or two teams he would consider, then maybe this would be easier to take. Still, Ron Francis doesn't have anything to prove to anyone at this point in his career. I think the downside (meaning how this is going to look in retrospect) is much greater than the upside.

I heard John Forslund on 850 on my way home. He sounded shocked. He said that basically this was one of the things wrong with this league. He said the NHL was looking bad lately (ie, the Bertuzzi incident) and that soon we would become a league of thugs. (Like I said, he sounded upset too)

Sigh. :cry:

[MoBigRed]

All ive got to say is call up someone who actually wants to play for us


It's all good - the Canes have called up Zigomanis and Bayda.

Hallelujah - the season has been saved!

[AbNormal27]

OK, I think the tears have stopped, and now the reality sets in. This is the second time in less than a month I feel like something has been taken from me all too prematurely.

When I first heard about this trade, I thought to myself "A draft pick? That's it?", and then I felt "Well, GOP and JR have struck again. I guess we now know what franchise was talking to Winnipeg about moving there." Then I thought about what Bret Hart said after he was double-crossed by Vince McMahon in Montreal (They screwed me. Those *******s screwed me.) and felt as a fan, we had once again been screwed by the "Powers That Be".

The bitterness has now subsided, and the hurt is still there, but time will heal. I came home to see what the broadcasters thought of the deal and I also got to see the interview with Ron after the trade. That really made me feel a bit better. However, it wasn't until I heard Paul Maurice's take on it, that I began to feel different. He knows Ron would never have come forward and asked for a trade, so JR brought it to him, and now he gets one last(?) shot at a third Cup. Mo thought this was a really classy gesture to Ron. It's the same kind of class and consideration that Ron has demonstrated during his career.

You see, I've seen a lot of good players/leaders come and go with this franchise and with sports in general. Darryl Sittler was my boyhood idol, and he was traded from Toronto, the team I, like Ron, got to watch a lot of as a kid. Ricky Rudd is my favourite driver in NASCAR, and he driven for many teams over the years. Players get traded and franchises move, but loyalty to your favourites (players or teams) shouldn't change just because their colours or locations do.

Ron left the franchise once, and he CHOSE to come back (with 2 SC rings in tow). Why should we slag him for getting one last shot at going out on top? Ron Francis has LONG been underrated and underappreciated in the NHL, now the Hurricanes are showing him the respect he largely deserves. Isn't that what we all wanted for him when this season began? Instead of going out while watching from the outside, he gets that opportunity. I think THAT consideration will be what brings him back again after the Leafs' season is done.

Aaryn

[nccanes]

All ive got to say is call up someone who actually wants to play for us


It's all good - the Canes have called up Zigomanis and Bayda.

Hallelujah - the season has been saved!

Thanks Mo - my first chuckle since the news! :D

[nccanes]

Thanks for commenting VC - I think those of us a little miffed at the way this evolved are in the minority, but I swear Chuck sounded very saddened and shocked too.

I heard John Forslund on 850 on my way home. He sounded shocked. He said that basically this was one of the things wrong with this league. He said the NHL was looking bad lately (ie, the Bertuzzi incident) and that soon we would become a league of thugs. (Like I said, he sounded upset too)

Sigh. :cry:

God - I'm glad I didn't hear this. It was hard enough to hear Chuck.

So who is bringing "The Leafs still Suck" poster tomorrow night? ;) (J/K - I'm not even going.)

[rkbrasse]

I guess we should all get used to the fact that Ron is gone and he wanted to go. Can't say I blame him. He gets a shot at the ultimate prize. I'm not sure I would have done different. Here's to a new year, a new team, and a new cba that hopefully moves the trade deadline earlier than the end of the season. That way these decisions will be much harder and we won't have any of this rediculious rent a player crap going on anymore. Go whoever plays the leafs.

[LETS GO CANES]

Honestly, I don't care for Francis that much, BUT with that said it pisses me off that we traded him for a fourth rounder. Is he worth more than that on the ice...probably not. Is he worth more than that to a fan base that hasn't had much to cheer about in two years...hell yeah. Ronnie must have really wanted to go to Toronto, because even an idiot wouldn't have traded him to Toronto otherwise. Public relations nightmare. This stinks for a lot of our fans more than anyone else. At least we could have looked foward to a great night at the end of the year sending RF out. Now will just sit around until 2005 waiting for an answer to a stupid trivia question...who was Francis traded for in the 2004 season, 2 years after winning the Eastern Conference Championship with the Canes? I'm all about building for the future, just hope there is a future with the NHL.

[nccanes]

Ugh. Just saw a Leafs fan with a Leafs Francis jersey at the Leafs/Panthers game. That's just wrong. :beatup:

[Caniac2417]

While I'm shocked at the trade today, it's what Ronnie wanted, so I wish him all the best of luck. And we'll see what happens with him and the Canes in the coming games. And I liked and still like Ronnie.

[talkingcanes]

While I'm shocked at the trade today, it's what Ronnie wanted, so I wish him all the best of luck. And we'll see what happens with him and the Canes in the coming games. And I liked and still like Ronnie.

we don't play Toronto again this season.

[Caniac2417]

While I'm shocked at the trade today, it's what Ronnie wanted, so I wish him all the best of luck. And we'll see what happens with him and the Canes in the coming games. And I liked and still like Ronnie.

we don't play Toronto again this season.

I know. I meant with him playing in Toronto and us playing without him.

I'm glad I got see him play a game live in person and see him practice in person. :)

[talkingcanes]

While I'm shocked at the trade today, it's what Ronnie wanted, so I wish him all the best of luck. And we'll see what happens with him and the Canes in the coming games. And I liked and still like Ronnie.

we don't play Toronto again this season.

I know. I meant with him playing in Toronto and us playing without him.

I'm glad I got see him play a game live in person and see him practice in person.

oops, sorry! I think we're all very lucky to have seen him play in person and we'll all be lucky again to see his jersey hanging from the rafters at the RBC :)

[RIO]

you know, i thought he loved us. i feel kind of abandoned right now. :sad: but i guess he knows what he wants. i'll get over it.

[murda338]

Anyone else get teary looking at the LGC logo its really fitting having his back to us and walking away sorta...

kinda what he did to us

why do the avs and banners serve as such fortune tellers lol

Whose that one guys av that when he changes it the guy got dealt icy?

upon further thought I'd really appreciate if we didnt do anything dumb towards JR next game, Flanman I'm sorry but he did what he had to JR that is, he didnt make any dumb deals, Give it some time. i'm pissed at ron more then JR, Ron shoulda made his mind up a week ago for the best interest of this team. He coulda packaged him or something this is so gay

[Jeff O Rocks]

I just saw Gary Roberts on CI talking about how glad they are to have Ronnie in THEIR locker room.. :sick: :sick:

I only watched a little.. I don't think Ronnie was on the bench..

[nccanes]

I just saw Gary Roberts on CI talking about how glad they are to have Ronnie in THEIR locker room.. :sick: :sick:

I only watched a little.. I don't think Ronnie was on the bench..

They said Ronnie only arrived in Toronto 30 minutes before the game or something. They also said he'd meet the media later on tonight. I was hoping to see that, but it'll probably be after the Leafs game and TSN will be off CI by then. We'll have to rely on Aaryn to fill us in.

[Cool Hand Luke]

I feel the same way right now as I felt after Irbe made his play me or trade me demand last year. I feel disappointed and upset, but more than anything betrayed. You cheer for these guys thinking for so long that they actually care. You think they care about the team, they care about the fans. They say we are all a family. But in reality, the only thing they care about is themselves. It's a cold stark reality.

JR might as well have just given him to Toronto. Why bother with a fourth round pick? It's a joke. Wesley was worth a second rounder last year, but the second all time leader in assists in NHL history isn't worth half of that? Francis with his sudden decision and JR with his eagerness to please him, just screwed this franchise and it's fans bigtime.

In the meantime the Leafs fans probably get to see Ronnie's last game and last time on the ice. After all the crap we Canes fans have suffered through the past 2 years, even our small victories and things to cheer for, are being taken away. It hurt tonight when the Leafs announcers said that Francis would be another one of the present Leafs who will someday be in the Hall of Fame. I guess the Canes will have to keep waiting to have our hall of famers. Maybe someone who will want to retire as a Cane and not bail on us at the last minute.

I'm sick over this whole mess. The way I feel right now, they can all go on strike and shut the league down. Go ahead, make my day.

[talkingcanes]

I just posted elsewhere that I wonder if Roberts has been nudging Ronnie along to waive his no trade and go for a Cup with Toronto. I can hear him saying come on old buddy, we can do this. we can win a Cup together if you'll come to Toronto.

I also think the closer the deadline got the more Ronnie couldn't bear to let his last chance for a Cup slip away. I don't think he was misleading us when he said he'd stay. I think the competitive draw for a playoff run was too much to resist for a man who has lifted the Cup twice. I just can't blame him for that.

[AbNormal27]

I am watching the Leafs/Panthers game on TSN and they just showed that Ron has just arrived at the Air Canada Centre. Stay tuned.

Aaryn

PS: Thanks for the plug NC. ;)

[agentpreppie]

I've had some time to think and I'm not pissed at Ronnie, he wants to go out on top. No one should fault him for that. In a way it's like Bourque except Borque didn't already have his name on the Cup. However, I am pissed at JR. You can't tell me that the best he could get out of Toronto was a fourth round pick next year. He could have gotten some cash, a prospect or something else for Francis. Sure Francis may have lost a step but he still has those sweet hands and just has a presence in the locker room that can't be denied. That's worth more than a fourth round pick in '05. Now, all I have to say about Ronnie is that he better not go into the HOF wearing a Leafs jersey. He can go in wearing a Hartford/Canes jersey and to a lessor extent, a Pittsburgh jersey since that's where he won his two Cups.

[nccanes]

Have you listened to Ronnie and JR's comments?

JR wanted to everything he could to get Ronnie what he wanted, it sounds like he didn't want to play hardball and no deal for Ronnie. I respect that.

I do wonder how Sean Hill feels about all this. Did no team actually make a pitch. I think he's probably bummed for getting his wife/family on board about moving to a contender and then having nothing happen.

[CaniacKikiBB13]

I am watching the Leafs/Panthers game on TSN and they just showed that Ron has just arrived at the Air Canada Centre. Stay tuned.

Aaryn

PS: Thanks for the plug NC. ;)

Is he playing tonight?? ESPN said he was, but someone else said he wasn't.. :crazy:

[tommy]

I've been trying to get over this all day, and not feel betrayed, but so far, no luck; I completely agree with Cool Hand Luke. What if Toronto loses in the first round in 5 games? Great way to end a career right there, playing 3rd line-type minutes for a team you've been with for 2 months, with players you barely know. He'll play his last games in Toronto. Okay, so he grew up idolizing the Leafs, and he wants to win a (third) Stanley Cup. Well if that desire cancels out the years he's spent with this franchise, then I'm not so sure the loyalty was ever that deep. At least Lemiuex stayed with the same organization.

Sorry, that's the way I'm feelin' right now. Maybe tomorrow I'll wake up and see things differently.

[talkingcanes]

I've been trying to get over this all day, and not feel betrayed, but so far, no luck; I completely agree with Cool Hand Luke. What if Toronto loses in the first round in 5 games? Great way to end a career right there, playing 3rd line-type minutes for a team you've been with for 2 months, with players you barely know. He'll play his last games in Toronto. Okay, so he grew up idolizing the Leafs, and he wants to win a (third) Stanley Cup. Well if that desire cancels out the years he's spent with this franchise, then I'm not so sure the loyalty was ever that deep. At least Lemiuex stayed with the same organization.

Sorry, that's the way I'm feelin' right now.

Lemieux bought the organization ;)

[tommy]

I've been trying to get over this all day, and not feel betrayed, but so far, no luck; I completely agree with Cool Hand Luke. What if Toronto loses in the first round in 5 games? Great way to end a career right there, playing 3rd line-type minutes for a team you've been with for 2 months, with players you barely know. He'll play his last games in Toronto. Okay, so he grew up idolizing the Leafs, and he wants to win a (third) Stanley Cup. Well if that desire cancels out the years he's spent with this franchise, then I'm not so sure the loyalty was ever that deep. At least Lemiuex stayed with the same organization.

Sorry, that's the way I'm feelin' right now.

Lemieux bought the organization ;)

:beatup:

[Guyute]

I do wonder how Sean Hill feels about all this. Did no team actually make a pitch. I think he's probably bummed for getting his wife/family on board about moving to a contender and then having nothing happen.

JR said today on the Buzz that several teams called him. Actually, the question asked lumped Hill and Irbe into the same sentence.. so there's no telling how many teams were interested in one or the other.
But, there was plenty of interest, accorinding to JR. Though, nobody wanted to give up anything that would've helped the canes. not saying I buy it or not... just passing on what I heard.

[CaniacKikiBB13]

"When I heard the Leafs were interested this morning, that got me excited," Francis told TSN this afternoon. "It was too good of an offer to pass up"..."I'd be kicking myself for the next 50 years if I didn't take that chance."

"I've liked their team all season long," Francis said...Adding more players at the deadline doesn't hurt."

I still respect his descision, but these quotes from thestar.com make me feel even worse about the trade...the last quote makes me wonder if the trade may have been a possibility for a while.

[jhardman]

I think this is a bright spot for hockey in general at a time where things are starting to ebb for the league. Who better than Mr. Francis to go to Toronto to play for his childhood team and try to get them that elusive cup?

Everyone either hates or loves the Leafs. But almost no one dislikes Ron Francis except a few Canes fans today who feel cheated. This is a great move for the marketing of the NHL in the playoffs, and as a hockey fan, I like the move.

If the upcoming lockout/strike is long, we all lose here. We probably lose our franchise. I'm okay with the idea of Ron Francis' mug on every Canadian news story related to the strike as an ambassador for small market southern US teams. I may be overly optimistic, but I think he can help cooler heads come to a better and faster agreement and make this a shorter strike. He can't do that here, but he can in downtown Toronto while the media circles around him.

Ron Francis had to ask for this move, so he was accorded the deserved respect he has earned with this franchise. Do any of you really think that he doesn't think of this franchise as his own? He had to think about it a lot and more than likely had to talk to his family a lot and make a few sacrifices. If you see Mary Lou Francis at Harris Teeter buying groceries, I sure hope you don't say "Ronnie broke our hearts". After all, she and the kids are probably still right here listening to people talk, and the kids will probably be hearing it from their friends at school tomorrow and until the end of the school year. Something tells me the house isn't going up for sale.

This move solidifies why I have always liked this team, no matter how frustrated I get with them. This was a "family" move, and the importance is not lost on me that Francis has a capability of being an ambassador for the game of hockey as it sinks to its lowest point in many seasons. Plus, this is almost assuredly a sign he has decided to retire and wanted a shot with his childhood team - to possibly live the last childhood dream he hasn't achieved.

From the Canes standpoint, it's a no brainer. Ronnie is the franchise, and his number will be retired here soon enough, most likely next season. The Leafs aren't run by fools (unlike the past), and realize they need a little PR work for their team and who better than Francis to provide that. I'd bet an awful lot that a deal takes place after this season where Francis returns to Carolina for "undisclosed cash considerations" or "an undisclosed draft pick". This has rent-a-player written all over it, and the Canes get a bone for organizational depth and about $800,000 off the payroll. The tickets this season are already sold - nobody's hitting the box offices to buy any more. So there's no lost ticket revenue for this season.

This is about the rest of this season, and the rest of Ron Francis brief remaining career. And I'll cheer for Ron Francis just like I did when he was here, and I certainly don't take this personally or feel like my heart is broken. I've watched this guy play more than 250 hockey games in person wearing the uniform of the team I cheer for and continue to cheer for. There is no classier act.

Yes, I can't stand the Leafs, and I still hope Daniel Alfredsson dances through the streets of Toronto with the cup. But this was a great move for the game of hockey, and one that will be okay here next season when he returns home to a thundering ovation from our home fans when a red number 10 banner is hanging from the rafters at the RBC Center.

Thanks, Ron. Good luck, and see you next season. Accidentally smack Darcy upside the head for us in practice.

[jhardman]

nccanes, your post made me start crying all over again..."My kids grew up wanting to be ron francis". I've already read on other boards posters saying people who are upset with this trade are just southerners who dont know hockey. WTF??? We know it well enough to have kids who are going to be crushed when they come home from school and find out their hero just chose to move to the team we hate the most in the world :cry:

Get another tissue.

I hadn't called home yet (my kids have an afterschool sitter) when my cell phone rang, I could tell from caller id it was from home. A very shaky voice said "Mom, I just went on the internet and it says that Ron Francis was traded.... to the Maple Leafs..... is that true?". I said "yup". Then there was silence. Then I said "do you think you can pull for the Maple Leafs?" and he said "nope". I said "good me either, we'll watch the playoffs together and pull against them". He said "okay" and hung up.

Same thing with my son. We'll boo the Leafs just like before. :-)

[tommy]

jhardman,

I agree with a LOT of what you're saying. Most of my sentiments are, as I said, probably a result of the initial shock. But I think it is perfectly reasonable for someone to feel a little betrayed. We all take stuff like this personally. This game is just as much about the fans as it is the players, which is why it totally rocks. To me at least, it's like making a best friend and having him transfer to your rival high school. Of course I'll cheer for him, but it's like part of ME is missing now, a part like I feel I deserve. I'm sure some other people feel at least somewhat like this. Either way, Francis is a Hall of Famer, and thankfully you go in as an individual in the NHL, and not with a specific team. I think/hope this decision was tough enough for him.

[talkingcanes]

well said jhardman! I've been trying all day and haven't said anything half as well :beatup:

and if he smacks Tucker 3-4 times while he's "adjusting" to the team all the better ;)

[apolinar]

Finally!
Ron Francis is gone.
No, I'm not jumping for joy, and I respect the guy, and thank him for everything, but I'm one of those rare fans that doesn't really want him back that soon after his stint with the leafs. I'm not shedding any tears. I'm glad to have seen his milestones and amazing play, but it is time to move on and make the team a different franchise.

You may think me weird, but I'm even more ready to cheer on the hurricanes! And I'm talking about the team we'll still have on the ice.

Blast me if you will, yes, he was ROnnie Franchise, but I posted a LONG time ago on the CH.Com board (when it was still civil) that Ronnie was a hinderance to some of the players on the team. While he was with us there was no chance for anyone else to step up to the leadership. (And I honestly do not think that Brind'amour has it in the bag). I made the observation that once people played with Ron Francis they tried to BE him. Passers and playmakers instead of shooters. We've seen vrbata lose confidence and become a passer instead of shooter, vasicek has become more of a passer, and poor eric staal has lost his scoring touch as has, O'Neill, Brind'amour, and everyone else except workhorse Kevyn Adams. Honestly, how long could O'Neill flourish as Ronnie's sidekick rather than skilled enough to make his own goals??

My theory about the loss of confidence has always landed on Ronnie's shoulders. If he was the franchise, he had to lead by example and show them how to score again. He never stepped it up this year. And in the end he escapes to get another shot at the cup. Yes, he deserves it for all his miles, but darn does he screw his teammates over. You think you feel bad as a fan? Ask the young guys on the team learning from him how they feel, especially after having just practiced on the ice with him.

I can finally watch people who WANT to play for this team to the end fight for the captaincy rather than having it handed to them. I'm talking about Kevyn Adams, Brett Hedican, and a few others.

Now Eric Staal can blossom on his own. I'm sorry, but I just don't want staal to get any more bad ideas about how to treat a team and fanbase dedicated to you from the very beginning. Ronnie has now left this franchise twice to get a shot at the cup. Don't let Staal start believing he'll have to leave this team to win a cup.

I'll never be a leafs fan (and part of that has to do with being a former flyers fan). I just hate to think I'll start seeing Ronnie diving like those synchronized swimmers called the leafs do. I hope he doesn't start whining when they talk to the refs.

I feel bad for JR. He honestly looked and sounded upset over having to go through this trade. He was just as upset as many of the people on this board about the turnaround in decisionmaking over the last 24 hours. Yes he is a class act and lady bing winner. But let me give you an example of a bigger class act in hockey: Mike Richter. He grew up in philly and always dreamt of playing for the Flyers, his hometown team. But when the opportunity came up and trade offers were made the last few years in his career, HE STUCK WITH THE DISMAL RANGERS TO FINISH OUT HIS CAREER WITH THE TEAM THAT MADE MANY THINGS POSSIBLE TO HIM. He never went to another team that was a contender despite offers from his beloved flyers. He took it in the noggin several times and was too injured to continue. He became a ranger through and through, as much as it hurts me to say that about someone who grew up in my neighborhood in suburban philly.

So with that as an example, It was really easy for Ronnie to change his mind for one more chance at the cup with his boyhood team. Almost too easy and that pisses me off. According to the video of him and JR, it was Ronnie's decision MADE IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. Wow, that doesn't sound too classy to me. He was more a part of the crappiness of this year's team as its captain and leader, and bails instead of sticking it out with them or the fans. And once again this sends a message to small market NHL teams that they are worthless to the NHL and players. Another shot at us as fans that we aren't as important as the Leafs, Wings, Blackhawks, Bruins, Rangers, or Canadiens fans. Not only does it show in the way ABC never shows our games on tv, it shows in the star players' attitudes. Our "franchise" player. Decides he'd rather be with another.

No tears here. I'm sitting here asking, which canes team will we see tomorrow? I expect to see more scoring and creativity without Ronnie out there. Players trying to be themselves instead of Ron Francis. People finally trying to find their own confidence rather than looking up to their leader who was floundering himself this year.

LET'S GO CANES. And right now that doesn't include Ronnie. I cheer for the team, not the individual players.

[Stormbringer]

http://www.electrichyena.com/other/notworthy.gif I may or may not be in a minority on this...I bow down to thee, JHardman. Very well uttered. http://www.electrichyena.com/other/notworthy.gif

[tommy]

Apolinar, in the words of Buccigross...

"Hold me. Tight. And never let go."

[apolinar]

Was just watching the Toronto game on tsn. Ronnie just interviewed. He didn't even know about the toronto trade until 10AM this morning. In that time he waived his no trade and told JR to make it happen.

[murda338]

Wow rumors move slow, cause it was 11 before i read he was considering dropping his clause, i didnt wake up til 10 lol

[nccanes]

Ronnie looks thrilled to be a Leaf. :sad:

[AbNormal27]

Midway through the 3rd, and they interviewed Ron who again mentioned that he was excited to be a Leaf because he grew up in Sault Ste. Marie. He doesn't know what his role will be, but he's anxious to get in the dressing room and meet the guys. He thinks the Leafs are a pretty good team already, so he doesn't have to come in to try and change anything, just add to what's there. He's only missed 2 games over the past 4 seasons, so "touch wood" that trend will continue and he can be part of a celebration again like the one he had in the visitor's dressing room of the ACC 2 seasons ago.

Aaryn

[talkingcanes]

hey murda, how ya feeling today? better I hope.

I saw that interview with Ronnie too. I think he's primed for the playoffs and waived his no trade because he really thinks Toronto has a good chance at the Cup.

[nccanes]

I saw that interview with Ronnie too. I think he's primed for the playoffs and waived his no trade because he really thinks Toronto has a good chance at the Cup.

And I hope he is dead wrong. :evil:

Did anyone catch the part where he thanked the Canes organization for what they've done for him? Yeah, me neither. :evil:

[Jeff O Rocks]

he can be part of a celebration again like the one he had in the visitor's dressing room of the ACC 2 seasons ago.



Sorry but that comment and the thought of him being in the "other" dressing room makes me feel.. :sick: :sick:

[nccanes]

Earlier on the 1st intermission break, they projected that Ronnie would be on a line with Darcy Tucker. :eek2:

[murda338]

hey murda, how ya feeling today? better I hope.

I saw that interview with Ronnie too. I think he's primed for the playoffs and waived his no trade because he really thinks Toronto has a good chance at the Cup.

Much thanks :), i passed out moments after reading your message woke up at 8 am! I havent been awake at 8 am on a day off since 10th grade lol

I am upset very very upsetm I have a corn kernel stuck in the area where a tooth used to occupy lol and it doesnt want to leave the area. and i can't get to it lol

[SouthernCaniac]

I'm not even going to try to pretend like i haven't been a whacked out idiot about this trade all day long, and i know i am in a very small minority with my thoughts on this, but i believe this trade is terrible for the nhl. I cannot fathom what is good or honorable about teams being able to entirely change the face of their squad right before the championships in an effort to win a cup. How satisfying is it to win a cup with team you havent been in the trenches with all season long? Is a collection of rent a players a true representation of the face of any team? Maybe i am just hopelessly old school, but i find the current face of the nhl to be a smarmy caricature of itself. I think the damn trade deadline should be moved way back. What a joke to have to have a freakin handbook come playoff time to help you remember who now plays for who. I'm trying to let this go, but I am so disallusioned with Ron Francis. When he took the captaincy it was because he WAS the Canes, and he has an obligation to live up to that mantle, no matter how heavy. He gave up everything to come here to nc, to lead a team no one knew, in front of a community who, for all intents and purposes, knew very little about hockey. He grew this franchise through his dedication, and now, in the twilight of his class act career, gives it all up to have a shot at one more cup? i have heard all the arguments on his behalf and understand them, but am left feeling like the team and the diehard loyal fans got screwed by the one person they wouldn't have imagined it from. The leafs announcers tonight said they just added another Leaf to the hall of fame, and it turned my stomach. I keep hearing that question from the song "black" by Pearl Jam, "of what was everything?" :sad:

[CzechIt]

There is suppose to be a live conference about Francis in Toronto on News 14 carolina. The sports show start with a tribute to Francis. :sad:

[Flanman]

upon further thought I'd really appreciate if we didnt do anything dumb towards JR next game, Flanman I'm sorry but he did what he had to JR that is, he didnt make any dumb deals, Give it some time. i'm pissed at ron more then JR, Ron shoulda made his mind up a week ago for the best interest of this team. He coulda packaged him or something this is so gay

Although I generally don't agree with you murda, I agree that my vem has subsided a bit since my initial shock. I will not hold JR wholly responsible. But I still think it crazy to approve this trade, even if he feels he owes it to the artist formerly known as the Franchise.

[murda338]

and with ronnie walking out the logo changed :(

i didn't say i didn't like it I hope it wasn't because of me

it was a nice logo

[murda338]

upon further thought I'd really appreciate if we didnt do anything dumb towards JR next game, Flanman I'm sorry but he did what he had to JR that is, he didnt make any dumb deals, Give it some time. i'm pissed at ron more then JR, Ron shoulda made his mind up a week ago for the best interest of this team. He coulda packaged him or something this is so gay

Although I generally don't agree with you murda, I agree that my vem has subsided a bit since my initial shock. I will not hold JR wholly responsible. But I still think it crazy to approve this trade, even if he feels he owes it to the artist formerly known as the Franchise.

No one ever does agree with me but thats oooooTay, but anyway, JR didnt wanna risk having the deal fall through, and with no time on his side just said yea whatever, he's prolly as pissed as we are mr. franchise can't make up his f'in mind, he only was given 4 months. I can't believe how pissed i am at the guy who supposivedly wanted nothing but the best for us, if he did He'd of realized we coulda done a package with him and got something better then a NHL longshot of a 4th.

[hyena]

I think this is a bright spot for hockey in general at a time where things are starting to ebb for the league. Who better than Mr. Francis to go to Toronto to play for his childhood team and try to get them that elusive cup?

wow. i must say i'm impressed with your attitude, i wish i could spin it like that. instead i just have this sinking feeling. :sad:

In the meantime the Leafs fans probably get to see Ronnie's last game and last time on the ice. After all the crap we Canes fans have suffered through the past 2 years, even our small victories and things to cheer for, are being taken away. It hurt tonight when the Leafs announcers said that Francis would be another one of the present Leafs who will someday be in the Hall of Fame. I guess the Canes will have to keep waiting to have our hall of famers. Maybe someone who will want to retire as a Cane and not bail on us at the last minute.
funny, those are the exact words i used when talking about it with a friend -- after it had finally sunk in -- "our Captain bailed on us." :cry:

[nccanes]

Thanks for the heads up on the Live Press conference. Way to go NC14. I missed the 1st few minutes and it looked like they broke away.

They said there would be an interview with JR coming up.

[CzechIt]

That press conference seemed surreal, Ronnie in front of a Toronto Maple background. Hope this is what you wanted Ronnie. Wish you all the best :cry:

[apolinar]

funny, those are the exact words i used when talking about it with a friend -- after it had finally sunk in -- "our Captain bailed on us." :cry:

Isn't a captain supposed to go down with his ship? Ours started sinking last year. :D

[RIO]

And I hope he is dead wrong. :evil:




Darn straight, babe! Roll on, Hurricanes!

[nccanes]

I've posted about WAY too many posts in this thread, but one thing they did ask during the press conference was given the fact that this all evolved rather quickly, had he and his family discussed plan A or plan B depending on what might happen. He said they were on plan D or E. Doesn't sound like something that he hadn't considered before the Leafs came knocking.

Also when asked about just 2 weeks ago the questions about him possibly playing his last game in the ACC his reply was something like "isn't it great I get another chance".

I've got to go to bed or break my fingers to prevent from spewing more tonight.

Has anyone read any quotes from our players about this?

[Rodgloveswitcher]

I cannot fathom what is good or honorable about teams being able to entirely change the face of their squad right before the championships in an effort to win a cup. How satisfying is it to win a cup with team you havent been in the trenches with all season long? Is a collection of rent a players a true representation of the face of any team? Maybe i am just hopelessly old school, but i find the current face of the nhl to be a smarmy caricature of itself. I think the damn trade deadline should be moved way back. What a joke.........

I completely agree with ya on that SC. The only justification I see in it is that hockey clubs tend to have injuries more so than baseball or even football teams. But the playoffs would be just as exciting without the extra talent.IMO

[RIO]

I cannot fathom what is good or honorable about teams being able to entirely change the face of their squad right before the championships in an effort to win a cup. How satisfying is it to win a cup with team you havent been in the trenches with all season long?

THANK YOU!

[nccanes]

http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v98/rcmcme/Francis.gif

[apolinar]

Maybe i am just hopelessly old school, but i find the current face of the nhl to be a smarmy caricature of itself. I think the damn trade deadline should be moved way back.

That was one of the points I was trying to make too. Yes, the NHL becomes more of a joke and further reduces its ability to make newer teams catch on when we become feeder teams to the original six and colorado. I had all the respect in the world for the canes for not doing it 2001-2. Yet this is the type of crap that makes next year's anticipated strike and CBA talks all the more necessary.

[murda338]

isn't he gonna wear #21 again, hes back with gary, gary owns his number

[murda338]

Maybe i am just hopelessly old school, but i find the current face of the nhl to be a smarmy caricature of itself. I think the damn trade deadline should be moved way back.

That was one of the points I was trying to make too. Yes, the NHL becomes more of a joke and further reduces its ability to make newer teams catch on when we become feeder teams to the original six and colorado. I had all the respect in the world for the canes for not doing it 2001-2. Yet this is the type of crap that makes next year's anticipated strike and CBA talks all the more necessary.

they dont have the money to do it...........

[PhilEsposito]

I cannot fathom what is good or honorable about teams being able to entirely change the face of their squad right before the championships in an effort to win a cup. How satisfying is it to win a cup with team you havent been in the trenches with all season long? Is a collection of rent a players a true representation of the face of any team? Maybe i am just hopelessly old school, but i find the current face of the nhl to be a smarmy caricature of itself. I think the damn trade deadline should be moved way back. What a joke.........

I completely agree with ya on that SC. The only justification I see in it is that hockey clubs tend to have injuries more so than baseball or even football teams. But the playoffs would be just as exciting without the extra talent.IMO


I couldn't agree more. I posted the same sentiment on the Fanhome site. Either move the trade deadline back, or limit the number of changes in roster. This is ridiculous, especially this year.

[rons#1fan]

Well after listening to the Buzz on the way home I've had some really mixed emotions. I thought about a lot of the fans who bought tickets for the last home game just to see Ronnie's last game - myself included - to see him end his career as a Hurricane. However after it's all said and done I guess I am disappointed with Ronnie's decision. If he knew that the one team that could make him waive his no trade clause was Toronto, than he should have been up front about that - and yes Eileen I guess I'm eating some crow now. Forslund said it was the fans that got hurt by all of this and he was right. I understand all the disappointment and bitterness expressed throughout the day however I don't agree with the remarks of him being done as a player or that he was the problem other players weren't stepping up because they tried to play like him instead of their own game... :roll: .

I wish Ronnie all the best. I hope his contributions will enable Toronto to make a good run in the playoffs and he's able to move up in some of those milestones. I feel very fortunate to have watched him play and to have some very special memories.

[nccanes]

isn't he gonna wear #21 again, hes back with gary, gary owns his number

Isn't Roberts #7?

[tommy]

isn't he gonna wear #21 again, hes back with gary, gary owns his number

Isn't Roberts #7?

I think so; I know he actually isn't #10.

[rons#1fan]

It doesn't appear to be a #10 with Toronto so Ronnie can keep his number. Boy is that going to look odd....

[nccanes]

If he knew that the one team that could make him waive his no trade clause was Toronto, than he should have been up front about that - and yes Eileen I guess I'm eating some crow now. Forslund said it was the fans that got hurt by all of this and he was right.

No problem Rons#1, you are after all, Rons#1fan ;).

If I heard Forlsund sounding upset/annoyed/agitated I woulda lost it. I got teary just watching JR talk about Ronnie and the expectation, until this morning, that Ronnie would be a Cane until the end.

[rons#1fan]

Isn't it odd that Ron was the most under-rated player and yet this trade to Toronto seems to be one of the big sports headlines today and probably will be all over the sports pages everywhere.

Believe me Eileen, after listening to Forslund, it just brought back the raw emotion of when I first heard of the trade. It seems like everyone (including organization members) were truly upset/stunned. I wonder what the players on saying and how that's going to affect their game with Tampa Bay.

[apolinar]

however I don't agree with the remarks... that he was the problem other players weren't stepping up because they tried to play like him instead of their own game... :roll: .

The team will probably prove me wrong tomorrow and the rest of the year by playing worse. It's just an opinion. I don't mean to rub salt in the wounds of those who are big fans of Ronnie today cause it really is a hard day for most caniacs.

http://nhl.speedera.net/image-upload/francis_tor_pc_308x194.jpg

[murda338]

what a absolutely hideous jersey

the blue is so damn ugly

[raleighcanesfan]

barf barf barf...
that atrocious sight is now on the front of nhl.com

barf barf barf

[CANESFREAKinDET]

:sad: I really don't even wanna see that right nowww...UGH thats the nastiest picture I've seen in a long time and I've seen some pretty ugly ones...it's just NOT RIGHT. Yes...I know it was his dream and he wanted to go after that cup one more time, but I reiterate what I said waayyy back on page 6. He shoulda stayed with us and possibly attemted it next year.

I, like a lot of Caniacs today, have cried my eyes out, and will probably do so some more, I feel almost dizzy and sick ebcause of all this...it just seems so unbelievable and just not fair. I just...I never thought it would happen is all I'm saying and I could have stomached seeing almost anyone go but him. Seriously...what in the heck are we gonna do now besides just finish out the season again and be dismal agaiinn...I knew this day would come where he wouldn't play for us anymore, but I wasn't expecting it to be because he went to another team. I hate the Leafs, now I always will, and I hope they lose in the first round. then Ronnie can come home. I'm sorry, but bitter as that is, seriously. i will never pull for the Laffs. I respect Ron as much as anyone does and will cheer for the Canes forever, no matter the hardships but I just feel so betrayed and unloveddd.... :cry:

[RIO]

I have a friend in Toronto screaming in mortal agony right about now. He loves Ronnie and lives to despise the Maple Leafs. His head has probably exploded by now.

[tommy]

That;s so ****ed up...

http://nhl.speedera.net/image-upload/francis_tor_pc_308x194.jpg

Photoshop-ers, fire at will.

[CANESFREAKinDET]

Murda: Thank you!!!! :) That made my day...as well as you Raleigh Canes fan...put a smile on my face truly for like the first time.

My family is also hopeless. They don't understand the tru love I have for the sport nor for my Canes. Every single time I complain about a trade or something they'll complain asking me why I even watch it because it's always the same thing and they tell me I need to worry about other things. Whatever. I have no other worries...my life and day was pretty darn good before this happened. Stupid d*mn Maple Laffs...I want them to lose out so early so bad. :mad:

[CANESFREAKinDET]

GOD, I'm GLAD I have you guys to talk to *hugs all* :beatup:

[CANESFREAKinDET]

And thank you too, Tommy, I'll be sure to avoid it...and I totally agree to what you said. Poor lonely, grieving me all the way up here...sniffle. :cry: I wish you could revoke these things....

[rons#1fan]

What are all those Hurricane Fans who have a #10 jersey going to do for the remaining season? I'm like 2 for 2. Got a Boughner jersey - GONE...now my Ron jersey...very depressing especially after seeing that picture with his #10 on a blue background. :cry:

[tommy]

well, the pic just gets a red X... how fitting.

and now it works... even MORE fitting. lol.

[tommy]

I found this pic online looking for Ronnie pics on google... it made me cry because its like he's leaving us... it's like a final picture, even though it wasn't his last game that this picture was taken in. i just kinda stared at it... not sure what else to do...

http://www.neutralzonehockey.com/photos/franciscar.jpg

Bye, Ronnie.

[raleighcanesfan]

Photoshop-ers, fire at will.

Sounds like a dare...

What you see with a high-powered camera:

http://www.geocities.com/hurricanesfan66/francis_tor_pc_308x194.jpg

Sorry--Love ya Ronnie, but had to do it. I'll try to do this neater later--hopefully this gives some laughs!

[CANESFREAKinDET]

Well...I'm doing the same thing you did, tommy, and I'm tearing up, so I hafta stop now...even though I mustn't hold it back...the irony of that pic is unbelievable...too powerful..sniffle.. :cry:

On a lighter note, however..who would that be in your avatar? :cool:

[CANESFREAKinDET]

Oh and Raleighcanesfan...your picture didn't show up..kinda wanted to see it too... :)

[tommy]

Well...I'm doing the same thing you did, tommy, and I'm tearing up, so I hafta stop now...even though I mustn't hold it back...the irony of that pic is unbelievable...too powerful..sniffle.. :cry:

On a lighter note, however..who would that be in your avatar? :cool:

It DOES make you SO sad, doesn't it!!?! :(

and if youre asking about my avatar, that's Tom Barrasso, referring to my screen name. It was tommy35archie1kev80 at the old boards before they crashed ( :sad: ), and I just stayed with tommy because it was easy.

wonder if he and ronnie have talked recently, with them playing together in PA and NC.

anywho, im headin to bed now, hopefully no Leafs in my nightmares... I need to sleep anyway, 45 posts today is a little excessive... lol, i need a life.

[CANESFREAKinDET]

Ahh yes, tommy, was referring to your avatar....me being big on the Canes I should have known that. lol.. it's a nice one!:)

I'm gonna keep postin and venting till I'M through, then I'm hitting the hay myself....I'm another one who needs one of those things you call a life...lol :roll: poor unfortunate me.

[apolinar]

Francis To Debut Vs. Pens
by John McCauley
-- mapleleafs.com
March 9, 2004

(TORONTO) -- Add two more Stanley Cup rings to the Toronto Maple Leafs' jewerly collection.

GM John Ferguson decided Tuesday morning that hall-of-famer Ron Francis would be a superb addition to his club. Carolina Hurricanes' GM Jim Rutherford then asked his captain if he would wave his no-trade clause to go back to his Ontario roots and play for the team he cheered on as a child.

Needless to say the answer was yes. Francis was clearly excited about coming to a team with a legitmate shot at winning it all and possibly ending the 37-year Cup drought for the Toronto faithful he was once part of.

He arrived in Toronto just in time to see his new mates defeat the Florida Panthers, 5-0, at Air Canada Centre. It was definitely a whirlwind day for the 41-year-old vet.

"Around 10 o'clock this morning was the first I heard of it." Francis told the media horde. "Certainly when I heard Toronto I was very excited. As a kid growing up in Ontario I always followed the Leafs. I was a Dave Keon fan and had the pleasure of rooming with him my first year in the league."

Francis will wear his familiar No. 10 Thursday night against the team he won his championships with, the Pittsburgh Penguins. His role on the Leafs is not yet set and he will skate Wednesday with a few combinations to see where he may fit best.

Coach Pat Quinn has plenty of choices considering the 29 players the Leafs currently have on their roster. Wade Belak, Mikael Renberg and Darcy Tucker are on the injured list, but aren't considered to be long term. Clarke Wilm injured his groin in the win and may be added to that list. Tie Domi will be unavailable while serving the second game of his two-game suspension.

Francis is likely to have a third or fourth line asasignment with plenty of power play time.

"I think he'll fill in really well with us," said Quinn. "His minutes compared to what he did say five years ago are down, but we'll check what the optimum time is for him."

The day wasn't completely about Francis. Ferguson also acquired Calle Johansson and Chad Kilger

"We're pleased how this turned out. This is the group we're going to move forward with and compete with," said Ferguson.

Francis is the key as far as Ferguson is concerned though.

"We couldn't have found a better fit for our group. He's a leader, good at faceoffs, can play on the powerplay, he's just a smart two-way player." Ferguson said.

[my_svaboda]

Didn't go through all 9 pages, so if this has already been posted, sorry....

'Canes fans,

I know some of you have taken today's trade particularly hard, and I understand that losing a player like Ron Francis is difficult. I have shared this with some of you already, but I wanted all of you to get a chance to read an email our department received from our Assistant General Manager/Vice President, Jason Karmanos. Jason's email explains some of the background & reasoning behind the trade, and shares that it was truly Ron Francis' decision to go to Toronto. Consequently, we were able to receive a future draft pick in compensation for losing Francis for our final 14 games of the 2003-2004 regular season. I've copied & pasted the email below. We wish Ron Francis the best of luck in his quest for the Cup.

Your support means a lot to this franchise, and we appreciate having you on board as an official ticket plan holder. Please don't hesitate to contact me if there is anything I can do for you. Thank you.




-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Karmanos
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:12 PM
To: Scott Tippins; Kyle Prairie; DJ Ketchabaw; PJ Avetta; Brian Kapusta; Brian Slais; Andrew Matko; Karen Prince
Subject: Ron Francis

Guys,
Since the deadline is now over and I can't get anybody on the phone, I am sending this email to make sure you all understand the situation surrounding the Francis trade. First of all, this is what Ron wanted to do. We have told him all along for the last month that if somebody calls with interest we would make him aware and he could decide if he wanted to go. Last night Vancouver called. Ron was thinking about that over night and came up here to tell Jim that he did not want to go to Vancouver. But this morning Toronto called and said they had interest in Ron. When Jim told Ron about Toronto's interest his exact words were, "Oh, that would be difficult for me to pass up." He talked it over with his family and said he would like to go for the remainder of the year.

Ron is most likely retiring at the end of this year and plans to live here in the house they just built. As he was walking out the door he said to me, "See you in a couple months, hopefully three", with a big smile on his face. This was a good thing for Ron Francis, and I understand fans will be confused but we felt we owe it to him at the end of his career to do what HE wants and that is what we have done.

I am sending this to you because I have heard all kinds of stories surrounding this and I wanted you guys to have an accurate story.

[CANESFREAKinDET]

Still doesn't make it any easier...or me any less sad... though i appreciate the gesture... :cry:

[CANESFREAKinDET]

Stupid leafs anyways.....I hate to be mean, but I just really don't want to see them go very far...rather see a smaller market anyways...like last year it was almost the Ducks, and before...*wistful* yea...I love Ronnie and all, but like I said...I dunno maybe I'll feel better in the mornign I ain't thinking straight.

*grumbles* Should be Toronto Maple LEAVES anyways...PLURAL. :mad: :beatup:

[nccanes]

I think the N/O did a great job in covering this. Front page news. It included a slightly negative column by Barnett, but I gotta say I was glad to see it - it was fair and summed up how I felt pretty well.

The Front Page on the web with all the links:
http://www.newsobserver.com/

Cover on the Toronto Sun:

http://www.torontosun.com/Mar10/10tor.jpg

[Turbulence]

All of this propaganda hurts to look at. At least he wanted it, though.

[nccanes]

I noticed how subdued the goal celebrations were in Columbus - I guess they knew something was on the horizon:

The first offer came late Monday afternoon, when the Vancouver Canucks called for Francis. Rutherford called Francis on the road before Monday night's game at the Columbus Blue Jackets to notify him. Francis asked for time to think; Rutherford told him to sleep on it.

That night, his teammates sensed that Francis might be gone in less than 24 hours. Defenseman Aaron Ward, who scored two goals Monday, asked for two copies of the official game sheet. He asked Francis, who assisted on his first goal, to sign them.

"That was possibly his last point with the Carolina Hurricanes on my goal," Ward said Tuesday. "I'm framing that."



O'Neill sounds surprised. If O'Neill, Forslund, Kaiton, and JR all seemed genuinely surprised, I don't feel too bad for the way I feel.

"I thought he would play out the rest of the year and call it a career," Hurricanes forward Jeff O'Neill said.

[talkingcanes]

I didn't see the Francis interview on channel 14, but I saw JR. I think he was genuinely surprised that Ronnie agreed to the trade. He took the offers to him and the rest was up to Francis.

I have to admit to being incredibly tired of all the calls for JR's head and that he should be fired and that we should have gotten more in the trade. Well, maybe we should have and maybe if he'd held Toronto at gunpoint, he'd have gotten a 3rd round pick too. I don't know, but I do know if he'd nixed the trade and word got out, the outrage would be just a sure and swift for denying Ronnie what he wanted after all he's meant to this team. It's done. Francis wanted to go and he's gone. JR made that happen for him. Hockey is a business, but this is one example of rewarded loyalty that is not business related. This is family related and I, for one, like that. I'm done posting on this topic (I can just hear the thank yous ;) ). I don't have any bad feelings toward JR or Francis about this. We pride ourselves on being family as Canes' fans and this is a prime example of that IMO.

end rant/

[Jeff O Rocks]

The N&O did try to rip out everyone's heart.. the picture of the empty locker was the worst... :sad:

Still doesn't seem real.. it will tonight..

[nccanes]

I didn't see the Francis interview on channel 14, but I saw JR. I think he was genuinely surprised that Ronnie agreed to the trade. He took the offers to him and the rest was up to Francis.

I have to admit to being incredibly tired of all the calls for JR's head and that he should be fired and that we should have gotten more in the trade. Well, maybe we should have and maybe if he'd held Toronto at gunpoint, he'd have gotten a 3rd round pick too. I don't know, but I do know if he'd nixed the trade and word got out, the outrage would be just a sure and swift for denying Ronnie what he wanted after all he's meant to this team. It's done. Francis wanted to go and he's gone. JR made that happen for him. Hockey is a business, but this is one example of rewarded loyalty that is not business related. This is family related and I, for one, like that. I'm done posting on this topic (I can just hear the thank yous ;) ). I don't have any bad feelings toward JR or Francis about this. We pride ourselves on being family as Canes' fans and this is a prime example of that IMO.

end rant/

Well said TC.

The thought occured to me that if Ronnie had retired last season or after the 02 Finals, we'd be left with nothing (return wise). I think that was JRs thinking - that Ronnie could have left us whenever he wished and we were lucking to have him for 6 years. I respect him letting Ronnie go - I think it was far more difficult for him to do than us blabbering fans. :beatup:

Blow Leafs Blow, though. :evil:

[hyena]

oh god...that picture of ronnie holding the leafs FRANCIS jersey literally makes me feel sick.

it's all just so...disappointing. i don't really know what else to say...:cry:

[Jeff O Rocks]

Welcome Back Amanda!! :spin:

[hyena]

thanks mona...

to all the huge Ronnie fans out there, i sympathize with you. i know this is hard to deal with. *hugs all of you* :sad:

[chandongirl]

He just skated out for the 1st game in the new sweater
... Too weird..... :eek2:

[murda338]

hes getting his ass kicked in the new sweater to

3-1 Pens
he took our consistency with him

[raleighcanesfan]

Doing well on face offs, but losing.

I just can't see Toronto gelling for the playoffs. Overkill for captaincy. With Leetch, Roberts, Ronnie, Sundin...too many leaders and not enough followers.

[murda338]

I still wanna know what genious signs out of shape calle johannson and expects him to actually help. same for rob ray.

[nccanes]

Dunno murda. Guess all the geezers on the Leafs need other geezers to be able to fill in for them when they fall down with injuries. ;)

Interesting that the Sportsnet guys were talking about how do you handle the "bulging roster" now that the Leafs signed so many players w/o letting go of any. The consensus was "well, Francis won't practice, Newie won't practice, So-and-so won't practice.....so that will give those guys a chance to do something". I guess all these old vets don't even need to spend time together outside of a game. :crazy:

Here we go. :sick:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040312/capt.cpth10703120211.penguins_maple_leafs_cpth107. jpg

[raleighcanesfan]

Doesn't it just make you sick...

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040312/capt.cpth11103120336.penguins_maple_leafs_cpth111. jpg

beat me to the other one nccanes!! (-;

[murda338]

He's smiling, I guess it's worth it, he never smiled much here, even when he got a milestone he rarely smiled....

[SouthernHockeyChick]

OK, first off, please remember I've been on vacation in Disney World (first time ever) since Sunday. I heard about Ronnie Tuesday afternoon but I've tried not to think about it so I could have some fun on my vacation. Now I'm home, back to CenterIce, and a big blue jersey with a #10 on it smacked me right in the face. It's hitting home and I'm about 60 hours behind the rest of you on shock-factor so cut me some slack.

I have not and probably will not read this entire thread but I have a few things to say. I'm really sorry if Francis was your favorite player and I understand that you may be lying to yourself about why this really happened so that you can go on with life not hating him. But, at this moment, it's taking everything I have not to hate him. He lied to me and to all the fans. I hope the Leafs crash and burn and, as much as I have loved him in the past, I hope he doesn't score one damn point. If it takes a Leafs jersey to reach that 50 then screw him. I hope he doesn't even come close. I think if you find yourself leaning towards the Leafs now all of a sudden just because Ronnie is there then maybe you should find a Ronnie Francis or a Maple Leafs board because he is not a Cane. He just ditched the Canes for greener pastures. Screw him and his blue jersey too. He was the one thing that legitimized this hockey team to many people and now he's gone. Thanks for bailing on us, Ronnie. That's just want we needed to make us even more of a joke.

I don't care whether a last shot at the Cup is what every player wants, I don't care if this trade makes sense in the grand scheme, I'm a fan of this team and had been a fan of that man. I feel how I feel that that's all there is to it. Anger is a perfectly normal emotion in this case, IMO, and I'll feel it until I'm done feeling it no matter what anyone says.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I have something else to add as well. Let's take a moment to think about some past trades/retirements.....Doug Gilmore annouces he's retiring....and cries. Cujo announces that he's leaving the Leafs....and cries (and that was HIS choice!!). Peter Bondra announces he's been traded to the Sens....and cries. What did Ronnie Francis do when he announced that he'd "been traded" to the Leafs? Maybe I just missed the tears for an organization he loves.

And just so you know....Ronnie is no longer the "Hall of Fame player from the Pittsburgh and Carolina/Hartford organizations." We're no longer important in that equation. He's now the "Hall of Fame player from the Toronto Maple Leafs!!" He may as well never have played here. If that doesn't make you sick you must be a Ron Francis fan. I'm not. I'm a Carolina Hurricanes fan.

[tommy]

Well now that SHC has opened up, I don't think it's fair for me to hold in my true thoughts any more.

Seeing him in that blue jersey makes my face about as red as our jersies. Players who "Play for the love of the game" are full of crap, as I've come to realize (someone pretty much said that earlier in this thread). I know I can't read Ronnie's mind, but why he would keep a cover on this, I still don't think I've seen an adequate explanation. So SHC, you are not alone. The shock factor is over for me and I'm still fuming. I honestly must agree, I can no longer honestly cheer for Ron Francis. Of course, I'm the one who refused to cheer for Kapanen's first goal as a Flyer, too. Why? Because they aren't Hurricanes any more! I've never met them -- they aren't my friends, so what reason do I have to continue to honestly cheer them on?

As for this organization, I must say that this is symbolic. We are going to be there with the Penguins and the Capitals in the cellar for quite a long time at this rate, and now we've lost the identity of our team.

This whole thing reminds me of my track team in 7th grade. I ran the two mile, and every time this one kid on my team would be right behind me the whole time, and then he'd sprint right by me at the line, and beat me by half a second or a quarter of a second, pretty much every race. Ron Francis did not want to stick with this team. Even if he were to be a rental, he still proved that he doesn't believe in this team, IMO.

Thanks SHC, for allowing me to let out my real opinion.

[murda338]

Damn right, well said both of youse. I no longer even want to see his number in our rafter, I want a better respected player's number up thier. Wesley's would be more of a honor now.

[Cool Hand Luke]

I agree with you guys. When he comes back here for Ron Francis night, if he bothers, I'll be in the minority but I won't be standing or applauding. I won't be booing, but I won't be applauding. To me, he's just another Leaf now. If they don't ever win another game, it won't bother me one bit.

Maybe I'll change my mind depending upon what happens later on, but for now that's how I feel. My Ron Francis sweater is getting hung up, I've worn it for the last time.

[StormShaman]

I cried at Blinco's tonight when I saw Ronnie talking about how happy he was to be a Leaf and not even giving the slightest thought to the 'Canes or the fans. I just feel abandoned, really--unwanted, dumped, ditched like an ugly prom date (no comments from the gallery, thank you). Every time the Leafs announcers talked about Ronnie Franchise and his records--AND BILLING THEM AS IF HE'D BEEN A MAPLE LEAF HIS WHOLE CAREER--it felt like I was being repeatedly slapped in the face with the soldered side of a circuit board that had been coated in a thin paste of salt and lemon juice.

I know that several of you still love the Eternal Captain and that you blame Rutherford for all of this, and I respect that--but I just feel like he's given us all the finger and as much as said that he doesn't care about the fans and the team he left behind, and that hurts me more than you can imagine.

:cry: