Irbe won't be invited to training camp....

[IcyRed]

Today's Durham Herald Sun is reporting that at a season's end meeting @ the RBC yesterday that Arturs Irbe will not be invited to Hurricanes training camp this summer, but will honor monetary portion of his contract.

http://heraldsun.com/sports/18-340574.html

It really pisses me off that we have to waste all that money... but at least he'll be gone and we can move on.

IcyRed

[IcyRed]

Today's Durham Herald Sun is reporting that at a season's end meeting @ the RBC yesterday that Arturs Irbe will not be invited to Hurricanes training camp this summer, but will honor monetary portion of his contract.

http://heraldsun.com/sports/18-340574.html

It really pisses me off that we have to waste all that money... but at least he'll be gone and we can move on.

IcyRed

[IcyRed]

Today's Durham Herald Sun is reporting that at a season's end meeting @ the RBC yesterday that Arturs Irbe will not be invited to Hurricanes training camp this summer, but will honor monetary portion of his contract.

http://heraldsun.com/sports/18-340574.html

It really pisses me off that we have to waste all that money... but at least he'll be gone and we can move on.

IcyRed

[VandyCane]

There was one statement in that article that I found a little bit annoying:

By all accounts, the start of the playoffs will be tough.

Asked by one reporter if it was going to be difficult for him to watch Wednesday night’s games, Rutherford replied: "I’m not going to watch, so I guess not."


Maybe it's just me, but as a GM of a team wouldn't you want to keep your eye on other team's players, coaches, styles, etc.?

[VandyCane]

There was one statement in that article that I found a little bit annoying:

By all accounts, the start of the playoffs will be tough.

Asked by one reporter if it was going to be difficult for him to watch Wednesday night’s games, Rutherford replied: "I’m not going to watch, so I guess not."


Maybe it's just me, but as a GM of a team wouldn't you want to keep your eye on other team's players, coaches, styles, etc.?

[VandyCane]

There was one statement in that article that I found a little bit annoying:

By all accounts, the start of the playoffs will be tough.

Asked by one reporter if it was going to be difficult for him to watch Wednesday night’s games, Rutherford replied: "I’m not going to watch, so I guess not."


Maybe it's just me, but as a GM of a team wouldn't you want to keep your eye on other team's players, coaches, styles, etc.?

[hyena]

hm, maybe he was being facetious or something. i would certainly hope that he'll be watching. ha, i've noticed that both Mo and JR have a knack for being annoying. or maybe it's just me. :sick:

[hyena]

hm, maybe he was being facetious or something. i would certainly hope that he'll be watching. ha, i've noticed that both Mo and JR have a knack for being annoying. or maybe it's just me. :sick:

[hyena]

hm, maybe he was being facetious or something. i would certainly hope that he'll be watching. ha, i've noticed that both Mo and JR have a knack for being annoying. or maybe it's just me. :sick:

[mikus]

i hope irbe will think about reworking his contract in the time he has now.



and i don't think JR was serious with saying that...he was just annoyed of the question IMO

[mikus]

i hope irbe will think about reworking his contract in the time he has now.



and i don't think JR was serious with saying that...he was just annoyed of the question IMO

[mikus]

i hope irbe will think about reworking his contract in the time he has now.



and i don't think JR was serious with saying that...he was just annoyed of the question IMO

[Rodgloveswitcher]

I personally don't see why he is being pushed away. So what if he had a bad year. If he is getting payed that kind of money and has the ability that we all know he has, he should play whether or not he is the backup goalie. I hope JR has someone in mind to replace him besides DesRoches.

[Rodgloveswitcher]

I personally don't see why he is being pushed away. So what if he had a bad year. If he is getting payed that kind of money and has the ability that we all know he has, he should play whether or not he is the backup goalie. I hope JR has someone in mind to replace him besides DesRoches.

[Rodgloveswitcher]

I personally don't see why he is being pushed away. So what if he had a bad year. If he is getting payed that kind of money and has the ability that we all know he has, he should play whether or not he is the backup goalie. I hope JR has someone in mind to replace him besides DesRoches.

[Jeff O Rocks]

I still feel bad for Archie for everything that happened...I don't know how it all unraveled for him... going from hero in the Stanley Cup Finals to being a backup and Lowell resident..

I can only hope that he can find somewhere he can continue to play hockey...and be happy!!


...and very good point rod...why not keep him and see if last year was just a bad year in general...if they are going to pay for him...why not use his abilities...I guess they are just pissed cause he "talked out of school".. :roll:

[Jeff O Rocks]

I still feel bad for Archie for everything that happened...I don't know how it all unraveled for him... going from hero in the Stanley Cup Finals to being a backup and Lowell resident..

I can only hope that he can find somewhere he can continue to play hockey...and be happy!!


...and very good point rod...why not keep him and see if last year was just a bad year in general...if they are going to pay for him...why not use his abilities...I guess they are just pissed cause he "talked out of school".. :roll:

[Jeff O Rocks]

I still feel bad for Archie for everything that happened...I don't know how it all unraveled for him... going from hero in the Stanley Cup Finals to being a backup and Lowell resident..

I can only hope that he can find somewhere he can continue to play hockey...and be happy!!


...and very good point rod...why not keep him and see if last year was just a bad year in general...if they are going to pay for him...why not use his abilities...I guess they are just pissed cause he "talked out of school".. :roll:

[Guyute]

he should play whether or not he is the backup goalie.

That's a choice Irbe has to make... and he made it pretty obvious that he doesn't want to be backup. Fine, so you can be the starter.... In Lowell.

:roll:

what he needs to re-work is his attitude. then maybe he can come back up with the big boys.

[Guyute]

he should play whether or not he is the backup goalie.

That's a choice Irbe has to make... and he made it pretty obvious that he doesn't want to be backup. Fine, so you can be the starter.... In Lowell.

:roll:

what he needs to re-work is his attitude. then maybe he can come back up with the big boys.

[Guyute]

he should play whether or not he is the backup goalie.

That's a choice Irbe has to make... and he made it pretty obvious that he doesn't want to be backup. Fine, so you can be the starter.... In Lowell.

:roll:

what he needs to re-work is his attitude. then maybe he can come back up with the big boys.

[Alicia]

Yeah, I did read that although he wouldn't be invited to training camp, he would report directly to the minors. Tough break.

[Alicia]

Yeah, I did read that although he wouldn't be invited to training camp, he would report directly to the minors. Tough break.

[Alicia]

Yeah, I did read that although he wouldn't be invited to training camp, he would report directly to the minors. Tough break.

[Rodgloveswitcher]

Yeah, I heard some rumours that he was asked to rework his contract and didn't. (during the west coast swing) I can't blame the guy for that. I bet if he had a phenominal season last year he would not have been asked to rework it for more money. I personally admire his attitude.

[Rodgloveswitcher]

Yeah, I heard some rumours that he was asked to rework his contract and didn't. (during the west coast swing) I can't blame the guy for that. I bet if he had a phenominal season last year he would not have been asked to rework it for more money. I personally admire his attitude.

[Rodgloveswitcher]

Yeah, I heard some rumours that he was asked to rework his contract and didn't. (during the west coast swing) I can't blame the guy for that. I bet if he had a phenominal season last year he would not have been asked to rework it for more money. I personally admire his attitude.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I love the little guy but for the most part I'm glad he won't be back. I really think it actually has more to do with his attitude than his play. For a while I wasn't so keen on believing that but after hearing Panger say it.....

I do hope he can move on somewhere and be happy. I think he's given enough to this organization to deserve that.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I love the little guy but for the most part I'm glad he won't be back. I really think it actually has more to do with his attitude than his play. For a while I wasn't so keen on believing that but after hearing Panger say it.....

I do hope he can move on somewhere and be happy. I think he's given enough to this organization to deserve that.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I love the little guy but for the most part I'm glad he won't be back. I really think it actually has more to do with his attitude than his play. For a while I wasn't so keen on believing that but after hearing Panger say it.....

I do hope he can move on somewhere and be happy. I think he's given enough to this organization to deserve that.

[Guyute]

you admire "play me or trade me" antics during the season, to press (not to management) ?? he said that after he wasn't playing anywhere near as well as shady... yet thought he should be played 60+ games strictly on previous accomplishments.

I ain't down wit dat.

he had an unbelievable amount of chances to RECLAIM the starters roll, when shady was out with the concussion... and then later, when neither 'tenders were playing well. Did he step up? No.
Instead he let softies in night after night, showing sheer apathy to the game, and to the team.

I've Always liked Irbe. but this nonsense has to stop.
does he deserve a chance next season, after having a nice long break. sure. but just one. he comes up here and lets a few pucks trickle out of his glove, or between his legs, and ya send him back down.

he's supposed to be a professional. we've seen almost no professionalism out of him this past season.
That, is a problem.

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

[Guyute]

you admire "play me or trade me" antics during the season, to press (not to management) ?? he said that after he wasn't playing anywhere near as well as shady... yet thought he should be played 60+ games strictly on previous accomplishments.

I ain't down wit dat.

he had an unbelievable amount of chances to RECLAIM the starters roll, when shady was out with the concussion... and then later, when neither 'tenders were playing well. Did he step up? No.
Instead he let softies in night after night, showing sheer apathy to the game, and to the team.

I've Always liked Irbe. but this nonsense has to stop.
does he deserve a chance next season, after having a nice long break. sure. but just one. he comes up here and lets a few pucks trickle out of his glove, or between his legs, and ya send him back down.

he's supposed to be a professional. we've seen almost no professionalism out of him this past season.
That, is a problem.

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

[Guyute]

you admire "play me or trade me" antics during the season, to press (not to management) ?? he said that after he wasn't playing anywhere near as well as shady... yet thought he should be played 60+ games strictly on previous accomplishments.

I ain't down wit dat.

he had an unbelievable amount of chances to RECLAIM the starters roll, when shady was out with the concussion... and then later, when neither 'tenders were playing well. Did he step up? No.
Instead he let softies in night after night, showing sheer apathy to the game, and to the team.

I've Always liked Irbe. but this nonsense has to stop.
does he deserve a chance next season, after having a nice long break. sure. but just one. he comes up here and lets a few pucks trickle out of his glove, or between his legs, and ya send him back down.

he's supposed to be a professional. we've seen almost no professionalism out of him this past season.
That, is a problem.

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

[Night Train]

Not to offend anybody, but a great philosopher once said,

"There is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in Irbe.

[Night Train]

Not to offend anybody, but a great philosopher once said,

"There is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in Irbe.

[Night Train]

Not to offend anybody, but a great philosopher once said,

"There is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in Irbe.

[mikus]

Not to offend anybody, but a great philosopher once said,

"There is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in Irbe.
rofl

[mikus]

Not to offend anybody, but a great philosopher once said,

"There is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in Irbe.
rofl

[mikus]

Not to offend anybody, but a great philosopher once said,

"There is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in Irbe.
rofl

[nccanes]

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

I'd say I admire Irbe the man overall.

But I would say his words/actions (that displayed his team/club attitude) were miscalculated by immense proportions.

[nccanes]

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

I'd say I admire Irbe the man overall.

But I would say his words/actions (that displayed his team/club attitude) were miscalculated by immense proportions.

[nccanes]

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

I'd say I admire Irbe the man overall.

But I would say his words/actions (that displayed his team/club attitude) were miscalculated by immense proportions.

[Jeff O Rocks]

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

I'd say I admire Irbe the man overall.

But I would say his words/actions (that displayed his team/club attitude) were miscalculated by immense proportions.

The deal were his comments were TRANSLATED was a little messed up...in my opinion!! :roll:

[Jeff O Rocks]

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

I'd say I admire Irbe the man overall.

But I would say his words/actions (that displayed his team/club attitude) were miscalculated by immense proportions.

The deal were his comments were TRANSLATED was a little messed up...in my opinion!! :roll:

[Jeff O Rocks]

but, who am I to question who's attitude you admire? :beatup:

I'd say I admire Irbe the man overall.

But I would say his words/actions (that displayed his team/club attitude) were miscalculated by immense proportions.

The deal were his comments were TRANSLATED was a little messed up...in my opinion!! :roll:

[SouthernHockeyChick]

does he deserve a chance next season, after having a nice long break. sure. but just one. he comes up here and lets a few pucks trickle out of his glove, or between his legs, and ya send him back down.


I wouldn't even give him that. It if is at all possible (read: if anyone will take him) I say we give him to some other team and pick up part of his salary...that's no worse than $2.5 mill to play in Lowell. I think he is too much a threat to the team chemistry, based on what Pang said....and I trust him pretty well on this. He LOVES Irbe. If it weren't a good source he wouldn't have mentioned it.

I hate that I have so given up on the guy, who when he plays well I absolutely LOVE to watch, but I have.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

does he deserve a chance next season, after having a nice long break. sure. but just one. he comes up here and lets a few pucks trickle out of his glove, or between his legs, and ya send him back down.


I wouldn't even give him that. It if is at all possible (read: if anyone will take him) I say we give him to some other team and pick up part of his salary...that's no worse than $2.5 mill to play in Lowell. I think he is too much a threat to the team chemistry, based on what Pang said....and I trust him pretty well on this. He LOVES Irbe. If it weren't a good source he wouldn't have mentioned it.

I hate that I have so given up on the guy, who when he plays well I absolutely LOVE to watch, but I have.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

does he deserve a chance next season, after having a nice long break. sure. but just one. he comes up here and lets a few pucks trickle out of his glove, or between his legs, and ya send him back down.


I wouldn't even give him that. It if is at all possible (read: if anyone will take him) I say we give him to some other team and pick up part of his salary...that's no worse than $2.5 mill to play in Lowell. I think he is too much a threat to the team chemistry, based on what Pang said....and I trust him pretty well on this. He LOVES Irbe. If it weren't a good source he wouldn't have mentioned it.

I hate that I have so given up on the guy, who when he plays well I absolutely LOVE to watch, but I have.

[Jeff O Rocks]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

[Jeff O Rocks]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

[Jeff O Rocks]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

[SouthernHockeyChick]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

It was during the Islanders game on ESPN....he said something about several players on the team expressing that they did not want him back next year. I'll pull the tape out and get something more exact for you a little later today.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

It was during the Islanders game on ESPN....he said something about several players on the team expressing that they did not want him back next year. I'll pull the tape out and get something more exact for you a little later today.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

It was during the Islanders game on ESPN....he said something about several players on the team expressing that they did not want him back next year. I'll pull the tape out and get something more exact for you a little later today.

[Jeff O Rocks]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

It was during the Islanders game on ESPN....he said something about several players on the team expressing that they did not want him back next year. I'll pull the tape out and get something more exact for you a little later today.

Thank you... :spin:

[Jeff O Rocks]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

It was during the Islanders game on ESPN....he said something about several players on the team expressing that they did not want him back next year. I'll pull the tape out and get something more exact for you a little later today.

Thank you... :spin:

[Jeff O Rocks]

What exactly did the Panger say about Arch??

It was during the Islanders game on ESPN....he said something about several players on the team expressing that they did not want him back next year. I'll pull the tape out and get something more exact for you a little later today.

Thank you... :spin:

[Guyute]

SHC- I agree... I'd Love to see someone else take him. It'd be good for the team, and it'd be good for Archie.

but, I tihnk the chances of someone taking him are slim.

I agree... pick up 1-1.2 mil of his salary, that means a team is getting a seasoned vet for around 1mil/season...
and we'd save a couple of mil, instead of having the highest priced AHL'er ever.

Maybe an Archie/Tanabe package. nah... I'm dreamin. :)

[Guyute]

SHC- I agree... I'd Love to see someone else take him. It'd be good for the team, and it'd be good for Archie.

but, I tihnk the chances of someone taking him are slim.

I agree... pick up 1-1.2 mil of his salary, that means a team is getting a seasoned vet for around 1mil/season...
and we'd save a couple of mil, instead of having the highest priced AHL'er ever.

Maybe an Archie/Tanabe package. nah... I'm dreamin. :)

[Guyute]

SHC- I agree... I'd Love to see someone else take him. It'd be good for the team, and it'd be good for Archie.

but, I tihnk the chances of someone taking him are slim.

I agree... pick up 1-1.2 mil of his salary, that means a team is getting a seasoned vet for around 1mil/season...
and we'd save a couple of mil, instead of having the highest priced AHL'er ever.

Maybe an Archie/Tanabe package. nah... I'm dreamin. :)

[IcyRed]

Maybe an Archie/Tanabe package. nah... I'm dreamin. :)

...But it's a gooooooood dream!

jeff

[IcyRed]

Maybe an Archie/Tanabe package. nah... I'm dreamin. :)

...But it's a gooooooood dream!

jeff

[IcyRed]

Maybe an Archie/Tanabe package. nah... I'm dreamin. :)

...But it's a gooooooood dream!

jeff

[Shell]

Maybe it's just me, but as a GM of a team wouldn't you want to keep your eye on other team's players, coaches, styles, etc.?

I definitely agree Vandy! I just pulled up the show to hear how it was said.. first I must stop laughing because my Windows Media Player started playing it and somehow switched it's "theme" to Down the Drain LOL

[Shell]

Maybe it's just me, but as a GM of a team wouldn't you want to keep your eye on other team's players, coaches, styles, etc.?

I definitely agree Vandy! I just pulled up the show to hear how it was said.. first I must stop laughing because my Windows Media Player started playing it and somehow switched it's "theme" to Down the Drain LOL

[Shell]

Maybe it's just me, but as a GM of a team wouldn't you want to keep your eye on other team's players, coaches, styles, etc.?

I definitely agree Vandy! I just pulled up the show to hear how it was said.. first I must stop laughing because my Windows Media Player started playing it and somehow switched it's "theme" to Down the Drain LOL

[SouthernHockeyChick]

In the N&O today Maurice said he was watching every single play-off game (taping those that he has to for morning viewing) as penance. Wow. If I had time I'd be doing it for fun!

[SouthernHockeyChick]

In the N&O today Maurice said he was watching every single play-off game (taping those that he has to for morning viewing) as penance. Wow. If I had time I'd be doing it for fun!

[SouthernHockeyChick]

In the N&O today Maurice said he was watching every single play-off game (taping those that he has to for morning viewing) as penance. Wow. If I had time I'd be doing it for fun!

[Alicia]

Wow, that's a lot of viewing. And the bags keep getting bigger, and bigger......

[Alicia]

Wow, that's a lot of viewing. And the bags keep getting bigger, and bigger......

[Alicia]

Wow, that's a lot of viewing. And the bags keep getting bigger, and bigger......

[SouthernHockeyChick]

OK....Panger's words exactly after a GREAT Irbe save:
I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year. I'm not speaking for everybody but I have heard that 2 or 3 have stepped up and said that.

When Irbe made his first comments back in the fall I blew them off completely and never would have believed that Irbe was causing any chemistry problems in the locker room. But, Pang and the players know better than me what exactly went on and what is going on and if they are saying they don't want him back, IMO, there is probably a pretty good reason. So, from me (with a heavy heart) to Arturs Irbe thanks for the memories and all the great saves and good luck......elsewhere.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

OK....Panger's words exactly after a GREAT Irbe save:
I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year. I'm not speaking for everybody but I have heard that 2 or 3 have stepped up and said that.

When Irbe made his first comments back in the fall I blew them off completely and never would have believed that Irbe was causing any chemistry problems in the locker room. But, Pang and the players know better than me what exactly went on and what is going on and if they are saying they don't want him back, IMO, there is probably a pretty good reason. So, from me (with a heavy heart) to Arturs Irbe thanks for the memories and all the great saves and good luck......elsewhere.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

OK....Panger's words exactly after a GREAT Irbe save:
I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year. I'm not speaking for everybody but I have heard that 2 or 3 have stepped up and said that.

When Irbe made his first comments back in the fall I blew them off completely and never would have believed that Irbe was causing any chemistry problems in the locker room. But, Pang and the players know better than me what exactly went on and what is going on and if they are saying they don't want him back, IMO, there is probably a pretty good reason. So, from me (with a heavy heart) to Arturs Irbe thanks for the memories and all the great saves and good luck......elsewhere.

[crazy4canes]

Very interesting comments from Pang. If it was Mullet Melrose saying that stuff I would just blow it off but Pang isn't one to usually just say stuff for spite. Sounds like Irbe did more damage to the locker room atmosphere than we originally thought. How unfortunate. Oh well, they seem to like him in Lowell so maybe he'll do well there if he doesn't get a chance anywhere else.

[crazy4canes]

Very interesting comments from Pang. If it was Mullet Melrose saying that stuff I would just blow it off but Pang isn't one to usually just say stuff for spite. Sounds like Irbe did more damage to the locker room atmosphere than we originally thought. How unfortunate. Oh well, they seem to like him in Lowell so maybe he'll do well there if he doesn't get a chance anywhere else.

[crazy4canes]

Very interesting comments from Pang. If it was Mullet Melrose saying that stuff I would just blow it off but Pang isn't one to usually just say stuff for spite. Sounds like Irbe did more damage to the locker room atmosphere than we originally thought. How unfortunate. Oh well, they seem to like him in Lowell so maybe he'll do well there if he doesn't get a chance anywhere else.

[Alicia]

I must admit I would have truly liked to see Irbe redeem himself in some manner. However, it's not likely to ever happen, and for that I am sorry. My heart is heavy, as well, as I say thanks to the little guy for all he's done for this team, for all the memories, and best of luck elsewhere.

[Alicia]

I must admit I would have truly liked to see Irbe redeem himself in some manner. However, it's not likely to ever happen, and for that I am sorry. My heart is heavy, as well, as I say thanks to the little guy for all he's done for this team, for all the memories, and best of luck elsewhere.

[Alicia]

I must admit I would have truly liked to see Irbe redeem himself in some manner. However, it's not likely to ever happen, and for that I am sorry. My heart is heavy, as well, as I say thanks to the little guy for all he's done for this team, for all the memories, and best of luck elsewhere.

[rkbrasse]

Much as I wish it didn't happen this way. Irbe leaving is best for this team, and to me thats what matters most. I'm still angry about his comments and attitude earlier this season but I clapped when he waved goodbye at the end of the Jersey of thier back thing.

Just remember There is no I in team but there is an I in Irbe.

[rkbrasse]

Much as I wish it didn't happen this way. Irbe leaving is best for this team, and to me thats what matters most. I'm still angry about his comments and attitude earlier this season but I clapped when he waved goodbye at the end of the Jersey of thier back thing.

Just remember There is no I in team but there is an I in Irbe.

[rkbrasse]

Much as I wish it didn't happen this way. Irbe leaving is best for this team, and to me thats what matters most. I'm still angry about his comments and attitude earlier this season but I clapped when he waved goodbye at the end of the Jersey of thier back thing.

Just remember There is no I in team but there is an I in Irbe.

[Jeff O Rocks]

Not to take up for him..but I guess when he was talking he was upset and frustrated cause they weren't winning as a team...and he was #2 behind Weeksey...I know it has been a hard year for him for several different reasons...I wish he could have just held it in and moved on with it and not spilled it out in the press..

I along with most of you, wish him the best...in whatever he decides to do...thanks for everything Archie..we will always remember all you did for us! :sad:

[Jeff O Rocks]

Not to take up for him..but I guess when he was talking he was upset and frustrated cause they weren't winning as a team...and he was #2 behind Weeksey...I know it has been a hard year for him for several different reasons...I wish he could have just held it in and moved on with it and not spilled it out in the press..

I along with most of you, wish him the best...in whatever he decides to do...thanks for everything Archie..we will always remember all you did for us! :sad:

[Jeff O Rocks]

Not to take up for him..but I guess when he was talking he was upset and frustrated cause they weren't winning as a team...and he was #2 behind Weeksey...I know it has been a hard year for him for several different reasons...I wish he could have just held it in and moved on with it and not spilled it out in the press..

I along with most of you, wish him the best...in whatever he decides to do...thanks for everything Archie..we will always remember all you did for us! :sad:

[MoBigRed]

I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year.



Holy Toledo, what a sentence! :crazy:

[MoBigRed]

I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year.



Holy Toledo, what a sentence! :crazy:

[MoBigRed]

I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year.



Holy Toledo, what a sentence! :crazy:

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year.



Holy Toledo, what a sentence! :crazy:

Yeah. It's hard to know where to punctuate when you're quoting someone speaking.....and he NEVER paused! LOL
I was gonna go back through and put in semi-colons and commas but then just decided it wasn't worth it. Too damn hard!

Hey....isn't this OT? ;)

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year.



Holy Toledo, what a sentence! :crazy:

Yeah. It's hard to know where to punctuate when you're quoting someone speaking.....and he NEVER paused! LOL
I was gonna go back through and put in semi-colons and commas but then just decided it wasn't worth it. Too damn hard!

Hey....isn't this OT? ;)

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I do not expect Arturs Irbe to be back here in a Carolina Hurricane uniform and, uh, from what I understand, and this is a tough thing to take for Irbe that's been such a great team player, but what he did earlier in the year by asking out when this team hit it's first bit of adversity it became a selfish thing and that's not how I always percieved Arturs Irbe but players weren't real thrilled with how he approached that and they wouldn't be thrilled if he came back next year.



Holy Toledo, what a sentence! :crazy:

Yeah. It's hard to know where to punctuate when you're quoting someone speaking.....and he NEVER paused! LOL
I was gonna go back through and put in semi-colons and commas but then just decided it wasn't worth it. Too damn hard!

Hey....isn't this OT? ;)

[CaniacKikiBB13]

I must admit I would have truly liked to see Irbe redeem himself in some manner. However, it's not likely to ever happen, and for that I am sorry. My heart is heavy, as well, as I say thanks to the little guy for all he's done for this team, for all the memories, and best of luck elsewhere.

I agree...sorry Irbe :sad: , but thank you and good luck where ever you end up!!!

[CaniacKikiBB13]

I must admit I would have truly liked to see Irbe redeem himself in some manner. However, it's not likely to ever happen, and for that I am sorry. My heart is heavy, as well, as I say thanks to the little guy for all he's done for this team, for all the memories, and best of luck elsewhere.

I agree...sorry Irbe :sad: , but thank you and good luck where ever you end up!!!

[CaniacKikiBB13]

I must admit I would have truly liked to see Irbe redeem himself in some manner. However, it's not likely to ever happen, and for that I am sorry. My heart is heavy, as well, as I say thanks to the little guy for all he's done for this team, for all the memories, and best of luck elsewhere.

I agree...sorry Irbe :sad: , but thank you and good luck where ever you end up!!!

[#1irbefan]

i'd rather have irbe than primeau

[#1irbefan]

i'd rather have irbe than primeau

[#1irbefan]

i'd rather have irbe than primeau

[Turbulence]

I'd rather have anyone but Primeaudonna.

Archie served this team well, but he has to realize his time has come. He was a very good starting goalie in this league but he can't play up to that par now. He can be a very good backup ala Tugnutt to Turco...but I don't feel that he can ever start again in this league.
It's a sad state of affairs that he and this team have had to deal with this year...I guess Archie is just one more casualty. I wish him well.

[Turbulence]

I'd rather have anyone but Primeaudonna.

Archie served this team well, but he has to realize his time has come. He was a very good starting goalie in this league but he can't play up to that par now. He can be a very good backup ala Tugnutt to Turco...but I don't feel that he can ever start again in this league.
It's a sad state of affairs that he and this team have had to deal with this year...I guess Archie is just one more casualty. I wish him well.

[Turbulence]

I'd rather have anyone but Primeaudonna.

Archie served this team well, but he has to realize his time has come. He was a very good starting goalie in this league but he can't play up to that par now. He can be a very good backup ala Tugnutt to Turco...but I don't feel that he can ever start again in this league.
It's a sad state of affairs that he and this team have had to deal with this year...I guess Archie is just one more casualty. I wish him well.

[hyena]

that's kinda how i feel too, turby. it's really sad because archie was my favorite and i defended him for a long time, but it's apparent what effect he has had. and it's not entirely his fault, of course, but that is just how things went. what started out a crappy situation was made worse by his statements...and obviously his play hasn't helped much.

i really hoped that after he went to lowell he would come back and shine, but it was not meant to be. it just really sucks all they way around. :sad: he has done a lot for this organization and i hope people remember that, too.

[hyena]

that's kinda how i feel too, turby. it's really sad because archie was my favorite and i defended him for a long time, but it's apparent what effect he has had. and it's not entirely his fault, of course, but that is just how things went. what started out a crappy situation was made worse by his statements...and obviously his play hasn't helped much.

i really hoped that after he went to lowell he would come back and shine, but it was not meant to be. it just really sucks all they way around. :sad: he has done a lot for this organization and i hope people remember that, too.

[hyena]

that's kinda how i feel too, turby. it's really sad because archie was my favorite and i defended him for a long time, but it's apparent what effect he has had. and it's not entirely his fault, of course, but that is just how things went. what started out a crappy situation was made worse by his statements...and obviously his play hasn't helped much.

i really hoped that after he went to lowell he would come back and shine, but it was not meant to be. it just really sucks all they way around. :sad: he has done a lot for this organization and i hope people remember that, too.

[raleighcanesfan]

Regardless of my or anyone's feelings re: Irbe, JR puts us in a very very tough place. It will be next to impossible to trade him now for anyone worthwhile.

Teams will see "He won't even be invited to training camp" and will offer us next to nothing for him. Or we will have to cover a huge portion of his salary. Another lame brain move. Whaddya expect from that crew.

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance. We probably would be covering a much smaller portion than if he stays or we trade him now. Think Boston would like having him right now?

[raleighcanesfan]

Regardless of my or anyone's feelings re: Irbe, JR puts us in a very very tough place. It will be next to impossible to trade him now for anyone worthwhile.

Teams will see "He won't even be invited to training camp" and will offer us next to nothing for him. Or we will have to cover a huge portion of his salary. Another lame brain move. Whaddya expect from that crew.

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance. We probably would be covering a much smaller portion than if he stays or we trade him now. Think Boston would like having him right now?

[raleighcanesfan]

Regardless of my or anyone's feelings re: Irbe, JR puts us in a very very tough place. It will be next to impossible to trade him now for anyone worthwhile.

Teams will see "He won't even be invited to training camp" and will offer us next to nothing for him. Or we will have to cover a huge portion of his salary. Another lame brain move. Whaddya expect from that crew.

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance. We probably would be covering a much smaller portion than if he stays or we trade him now. Think Boston would like having him right now?

[Stormbringer]

I agree with both you and Turby, Hyena. I really liked Irbe, and hated all that happened regarding him this season. But, the sad truth of the matter is that the little dude is indeed past his prime. The ultimate proof of that was how nobody in the NHL wanted him when he was on waivers...

No matter what happens to him or where he ends up, I still like Irbe, and he will always be one of my overall favorite Canes. I'll never forget seeing him sign everything held up to him at the RecZone and Irbe treating the kids very well with a good attitude. Rather impressive that Irbe was/is still good to the fans, despite his supposed problems with the team and/or org.

[Stormbringer]

I agree with both you and Turby, Hyena. I really liked Irbe, and hated all that happened regarding him this season. But, the sad truth of the matter is that the little dude is indeed past his prime. The ultimate proof of that was how nobody in the NHL wanted him when he was on waivers...

No matter what happens to him or where he ends up, I still like Irbe, and he will always be one of my overall favorite Canes. I'll never forget seeing him sign everything held up to him at the RecZone and Irbe treating the kids very well with a good attitude. Rather impressive that Irbe was/is still good to the fans, despite his supposed problems with the team and/or org.

[Stormbringer]

I agree with both you and Turby, Hyena. I really liked Irbe, and hated all that happened regarding him this season. But, the sad truth of the matter is that the little dude is indeed past his prime. The ultimate proof of that was how nobody in the NHL wanted him when he was on waivers...

No matter what happens to him or where he ends up, I still like Irbe, and he will always be one of my overall favorite Canes. I'll never forget seeing him sign everything held up to him at the RecZone and Irbe treating the kids very well with a good attitude. Rather impressive that Irbe was/is still good to the fans, despite his supposed problems with the team and/or org.

[StormShaman]

Not to take up for him..but I guess when he was talking he was upset and frustrated cause they weren't winning as a team...and he was #2 behind Weeksey...I know it has been a hard year for him for several different reasons...I wish he could have just held it in and moved on with it and not spilled it out in the press..

If what Panger said is true (and he's never really given me a reason to doubt him), then that's very unfortunate.

But that doesn't excuse what Archie did--he didn't complain last season when Barrasso took the majority of the starts and Archie sat on the bench, so what the hell was up this season? I don't know, maybe losing in the Olympics and losing the Cup Finals wounded him more than we thought.

I love Archie to death, but it's just time for a parting of the ways.

[StormShaman]

Not to take up for him..but I guess when he was talking he was upset and frustrated cause they weren't winning as a team...and he was #2 behind Weeksey...I know it has been a hard year for him for several different reasons...I wish he could have just held it in and moved on with it and not spilled it out in the press..

If what Panger said is true (and he's never really given me a reason to doubt him), then that's very unfortunate.

But that doesn't excuse what Archie did--he didn't complain last season when Barrasso took the majority of the starts and Archie sat on the bench, so what the hell was up this season? I don't know, maybe losing in the Olympics and losing the Cup Finals wounded him more than we thought.

I love Archie to death, but it's just time for a parting of the ways.

[StormShaman]

Not to take up for him..but I guess when he was talking he was upset and frustrated cause they weren't winning as a team...and he was #2 behind Weeksey...I know it has been a hard year for him for several different reasons...I wish he could have just held it in and moved on with it and not spilled it out in the press..

If what Panger said is true (and he's never really given me a reason to doubt him), then that's very unfortunate.

But that doesn't excuse what Archie did--he didn't complain last season when Barrasso took the majority of the starts and Archie sat on the bench, so what the hell was up this season? I don't know, maybe losing in the Olympics and losing the Cup Finals wounded him more than we thought.

I love Archie to death, but it's just time for a parting of the ways.

[StormShaman]

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance.

We tried. Every deal that we were offered for Irbe involved us eating a hefty chunk of his salary, and that was something JR wasn't willing to do.

[StormShaman]

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance.

We tried. Every deal that we were offered for Irbe involved us eating a hefty chunk of his salary, and that was something JR wasn't willing to do.

[StormShaman]

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance.

We tried. Every deal that we were offered for Irbe involved us eating a hefty chunk of his salary, and that was something JR wasn't willing to do.

[1Irbegirlforever]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

This is quite honestly one of the most painful times I've had watching someone i admire so much go from shouts of praise to we don't want you anymore. i realize he said some things he shouldn't have, but based on what he's said to me and other fans, he loves carolina and he loves hockey. i think he's just down on himself because he realizes soon it will probably be over for him.

Archie is the first athlete i actually took a personal liking to. he is a fabulous person with a great personality...he loved his fellow team members and he loved his fans. he is a devoted husband and father who has always displayed adoration and affection to his family (i still remember him kissing his wife quickly before she left the ice on Archie night this season)....

These characteristics may not get him another spot in the NHL, but it certainly makes him a hero in the eyes of all his fans who support him and love him.

Archie-I'll miss you and I wish you the absolute BEST in all you do now. Thanks for the pictures, autographs and the smiles....your fans will never forget you!

[1Irbegirlforever]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

This is quite honestly one of the most painful times I've had watching someone i admire so much go from shouts of praise to we don't want you anymore. i realize he said some things he shouldn't have, but based on what he's said to me and other fans, he loves carolina and he loves hockey. i think he's just down on himself because he realizes soon it will probably be over for him.

Archie is the first athlete i actually took a personal liking to. he is a fabulous person with a great personality...he loved his fellow team members and he loved his fans. he is a devoted husband and father who has always displayed adoration and affection to his family (i still remember him kissing his wife quickly before she left the ice on Archie night this season)....

These characteristics may not get him another spot in the NHL, but it certainly makes him a hero in the eyes of all his fans who support him and love him.

Archie-I'll miss you and I wish you the absolute BEST in all you do now. Thanks for the pictures, autographs and the smiles....your fans will never forget you!

[1Irbegirlforever]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

This is quite honestly one of the most painful times I've had watching someone i admire so much go from shouts of praise to we don't want you anymore. i realize he said some things he shouldn't have, but based on what he's said to me and other fans, he loves carolina and he loves hockey. i think he's just down on himself because he realizes soon it will probably be over for him.

Archie is the first athlete i actually took a personal liking to. he is a fabulous person with a great personality...he loved his fellow team members and he loved his fans. he is a devoted husband and father who has always displayed adoration and affection to his family (i still remember him kissing his wife quickly before she left the ice on Archie night this season)....

These characteristics may not get him another spot in the NHL, but it certainly makes him a hero in the eyes of all his fans who support him and love him.

Archie-I'll miss you and I wish you the absolute BEST in all you do now. Thanks for the pictures, autographs and the smiles....your fans will never forget you!

[StormFront]

Irbe leaving really sucks. He's my favorite Cane, as you could probably tell by my old name. I just wish he had a good season this year, but I guess a pretty big slump hit him hard.

And I missed my chance to see him in the last Cane's game......................another reason why I hate school right now.

[StormFront]

Irbe leaving really sucks. He's my favorite Cane, as you could probably tell by my old name. I just wish he had a good season this year, but I guess a pretty big slump hit him hard.

And I missed my chance to see him in the last Cane's game......................another reason why I hate school right now.

[StormFront]

Irbe leaving really sucks. He's my favorite Cane, as you could probably tell by my old name. I just wish he had a good season this year, but I guess a pretty big slump hit him hard.

And I missed my chance to see him in the last Cane's game......................another reason why I hate school right now.

[raleighcanesfan]

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance.

We tried. Every deal that we were offered for Irbe involved us eating a hefty chunk of his salary, and that was something JR wasn't willing to do.

Although he's going to have a lot larger chunk now if they trade him.

[raleighcanesfan]

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance.

We tried. Every deal that we were offered for Irbe involved us eating a hefty chunk of his salary, and that was something JR wasn't willing to do.

Although he's going to have a lot larger chunk now if they trade him.

[raleighcanesfan]

Should've traded him to Boston when we had the chance.

We tried. Every deal that we were offered for Irbe involved us eating a hefty chunk of his salary, and that was something JR wasn't willing to do.

Although he's going to have a lot larger chunk now if they trade him.

[AbNormal27]

I know everyone already knows my feelings on this, and I'm not about to start in on Irbe again here, but I have debated on whether I should have chimed in on this sooner, and I feel I can only add my 2¢ here because people have spoken from the pro and con side of this.

Back in November, when the "play me or trade me" comments were made, I said it seemed all to familiar to me. I saw Brendan "Place Any Of My Expletive Filled Comments Here" Shanahan, Keith Primeau AND Paul Coffey do very similar things in the past to this franchise, only to draw the ire of many of us fans.

Many of you have come to his defence saying that his past accomplishments should have outweighed a temper tantrum, while I said that that type of selfish attitude was destructive and could only lead to dissesion in the dressing room. I also qualified my feelings by using the aforementioned players and my personal dealings with teammates on the many teams I have played on over the years.

Through the balance of the season I had hoped that the chemistry would return and we could have made a run to the playoffs with Irbe as part of the squad. This, as we know, did not happen, and now it has come out that my feelings were correct. I'm not going to stand here and say "I told you so" or anything like that, but NHL Players are employees, much like any of us with our various jobs (but with much better pay).As we all know, none of us can coast through daily life without the realization that this is a "What Have You Done For Me Lately" type of world and the NHL should be viewed no differently.

We can all look back at the many great saves Archie made, the many games he won for us, the run to the Finals he was a large part of, and the great photos and autographs he was gracious enough to give, but we can't lose focus that this is a team sport and NO ONE is above being traded or moved, be it due to lack of production or a bad attitude or salary dump or to shake up the roster. So it comes as NO surprise to me that there are some guys on the team who would be happier if he wasn't there next year. We can all speculate all we want that this was just one isolated incident, but it appears it was much more than that.

So while my heart is not as heavy as some of you, let me join all of you in saying "Archie, thanks for all you have done. Good luck to you, wherever you may end up."

Aaryn

PS: As I finish typing this, Anaheim scored against Detoit in the 3rd OT to take Game 1. Poetic Justice for last year?

[AbNormal27]

I know everyone already knows my feelings on this, and I'm not about to start in on Irbe again here, but I have debated on whether I should have chimed in on this sooner, and I feel I can only add my 2¢ here because people have spoken from the pro and con side of this.

Back in November, when the "play me or trade me" comments were made, I said it seemed all to familiar to me. I saw Brendan "Place Any Of My Expletive Filled Comments Here" Shanahan, Keith Primeau AND Paul Coffey do very similar things in the past to this franchise, only to draw the ire of many of us fans.

Many of you have come to his defence saying that his past accomplishments should have outweighed a temper tantrum, while I said that that type of selfish attitude was destructive and could only lead to dissesion in the dressing room. I also qualified my feelings by using the aforementioned players and my personal dealings with teammates on the many teams I have played on over the years.

Through the balance of the season I had hoped that the chemistry would return and we could have made a run to the playoffs with Irbe as part of the squad. This, as we know, did not happen, and now it has come out that my feelings were correct. I'm not going to stand here and say "I told you so" or anything like that, but NHL Players are employees, much like any of us with our various jobs (but with much better pay).As we all know, none of us can coast through daily life without the realization that this is a "What Have You Done For Me Lately" type of world and the NHL should be viewed no differently.

We can all look back at the many great saves Archie made, the many games he won for us, the run to the Finals he was a large part of, and the great photos and autographs he was gracious enough to give, but we can't lose focus that this is a team sport and NO ONE is above being traded or moved, be it due to lack of production or a bad attitude or salary dump or to shake up the roster. So it comes as NO surprise to me that there are some guys on the team who would be happier if he wasn't there next year. We can all speculate all we want that this was just one isolated incident, but it appears it was much more than that.

So while my heart is not as heavy as some of you, let me join all of you in saying "Archie, thanks for all you have done. Good luck to you, wherever you may end up."

Aaryn

PS: As I finish typing this, Anaheim scored against Detoit in the 3rd OT to take Game 1. Poetic Justice for last year?

[AbNormal27]

I know everyone already knows my feelings on this, and I'm not about to start in on Irbe again here, but I have debated on whether I should have chimed in on this sooner, and I feel I can only add my 2¢ here because people have spoken from the pro and con side of this.

Back in November, when the "play me or trade me" comments were made, I said it seemed all to familiar to me. I saw Brendan "Place Any Of My Expletive Filled Comments Here" Shanahan, Keith Primeau AND Paul Coffey do very similar things in the past to this franchise, only to draw the ire of many of us fans.

Many of you have come to his defence saying that his past accomplishments should have outweighed a temper tantrum, while I said that that type of selfish attitude was destructive and could only lead to dissesion in the dressing room. I also qualified my feelings by using the aforementioned players and my personal dealings with teammates on the many teams I have played on over the years.

Through the balance of the season I had hoped that the chemistry would return and we could have made a run to the playoffs with Irbe as part of the squad. This, as we know, did not happen, and now it has come out that my feelings were correct. I'm not going to stand here and say "I told you so" or anything like that, but NHL Players are employees, much like any of us with our various jobs (but with much better pay).As we all know, none of us can coast through daily life without the realization that this is a "What Have You Done For Me Lately" type of world and the NHL should be viewed no differently.

We can all look back at the many great saves Archie made, the many games he won for us, the run to the Finals he was a large part of, and the great photos and autographs he was gracious enough to give, but we can't lose focus that this is a team sport and NO ONE is above being traded or moved, be it due to lack of production or a bad attitude or salary dump or to shake up the roster. So it comes as NO surprise to me that there are some guys on the team who would be happier if he wasn't there next year. We can all speculate all we want that this was just one isolated incident, but it appears it was much more than that.

So while my heart is not as heavy as some of you, let me join all of you in saying "Archie, thanks for all you have done. Good luck to you, wherever you may end up."

Aaryn

PS: As I finish typing this, Anaheim scored against Detoit in the 3rd OT to take Game 1. Poetic Justice for last year?

[StormFront]

NHL Players are employees, much like any of us with our various jobs (but with much better pay).As we all know, none of us can coast through daily life without the realization that this is a "What Have You Done For Me Lately" type of world and the NHL should be viewed no differently.

Yeah, but there are also people that you work with that you aren't gonna like, that's unavoidable as well. I"ve never had a job where I've liked everyone.

[StormFront]

NHL Players are employees, much like any of us with our various jobs (but with much better pay).As we all know, none of us can coast through daily life without the realization that this is a "What Have You Done For Me Lately" type of world and the NHL should be viewed no differently.

Yeah, but there are also people that you work with that you aren't gonna like, that's unavoidable as well. I"ve never had a job where I've liked everyone.

[StormFront]

NHL Players are employees, much like any of us with our various jobs (but with much better pay).As we all know, none of us can coast through daily life without the realization that this is a "What Have You Done For Me Lately" type of world and the NHL should be viewed no differently.

Yeah, but there are also people that you work with that you aren't gonna like, that's unavoidable as well. I"ve never had a job where I've liked everyone.

[AbNormal27]

Yeah, but there are also people that you work with that you aren't gonna like, that's unavoidable as well. I"ve never had a job where I've liked everyone.

Very true, I can say the same thing. But my point was, he was not producing, and when it comes to job security, the best way to ensure that is to shut up and do your job. Whining about not getting the chance you feel you "deserve" because of what you've done in the past doesn't fly at the office, and it doesn't fly on the ice.

Aaryn

[AbNormal27]

Yeah, but there are also people that you work with that you aren't gonna like, that's unavoidable as well. I"ve never had a job where I've liked everyone.

Very true, I can say the same thing. But my point was, he was not producing, and when it comes to job security, the best way to ensure that is to shut up and do your job. Whining about not getting the chance you feel you "deserve" because of what you've done in the past doesn't fly at the office, and it doesn't fly on the ice.

Aaryn

[AbNormal27]

Yeah, but there are also people that you work with that you aren't gonna like, that's unavoidable as well. I"ve never had a job where I've liked everyone.

Very true, I can say the same thing. But my point was, he was not producing, and when it comes to job security, the best way to ensure that is to shut up and do your job. Whining about not getting the chance you feel you "deserve" because of what you've done in the past doesn't fly at the office, and it doesn't fly on the ice.

Aaryn

[Guyute]

The major difference is you don't usually Live with your co-workers... which is basically what hockey players do. Sure, when they're home, they go to their homes. but most of their days are spent on the ice with each other, in the weightroom with each other, in the video room with each other....

and that's at home.
when they're on the road they Are living with each other. Two completely different worlds from how most of us live our professional lives.

so when you start making comments like he did, it is taken Very personally. unlike if someone at my job said give me a raise or fire me... most of them I wouldn't care a whole lot if they left.

Great post Aaryn. http://www.tridead.net/forums/images/smilies/thumb.gif

[Guyute]

The major difference is you don't usually Live with your co-workers... which is basically what hockey players do. Sure, when they're home, they go to their homes. but most of their days are spent on the ice with each other, in the weightroom with each other, in the video room with each other....

and that's at home.
when they're on the road they Are living with each other. Two completely different worlds from how most of us live our professional lives.

so when you start making comments like he did, it is taken Very personally. unlike if someone at my job said give me a raise or fire me... most of them I wouldn't care a whole lot if they left.

Great post Aaryn. http://www.tridead.net/forums/images/smilies/thumb.gif

[Guyute]

The major difference is you don't usually Live with your co-workers... which is basically what hockey players do. Sure, when they're home, they go to their homes. but most of their days are spent on the ice with each other, in the weightroom with each other, in the video room with each other....

and that's at home.
when they're on the road they Are living with each other. Two completely different worlds from how most of us live our professional lives.

so when you start making comments like he did, it is taken Very personally. unlike if someone at my job said give me a raise or fire me... most of them I wouldn't care a whole lot if they left.

Great post Aaryn. http://www.tridead.net/forums/images/smilies/thumb.gif

[AbNormal27]

Thank you, Guyute.

Aaryn

[AbNormal27]

Thank you, Guyute.

Aaryn

[AbNormal27]

Thank you, Guyute.

Aaryn

[Cool Hand Luke]

I agree with Guy and Aaron. I was upset with Irbe in November after his first tirade. Then the little interview with the Latvian reporters which was supposedly taken out of context and lost in translation irked me even more. Who knows what else happened that we don't know?

As for him not being invited to training camp, I think that is more a positive move than a negative. He has already cleared waivers with no takers. Do some of you really think that him not being invited to training camp is going to hurt his trade value any more than his shoddy play already has? I really doubt it. Just look at his save percentage and I think any team would send him straight to the minors, attitude or not.

By telling him up front that he's going straight to Lowell, JR is sending a couple of messages. Number one, he's telling the whole team to leave your attitude at the door. It won't be tolerated this year. Number two, he's telling Irbe exactly what he can expect, and is informally attempting to begin the renegotiation of Irbe's contract. The next move belongs to Archie. He can keep his contract and play for Lowell or he can renegotiate and try to stay in the NHL.

[Cool Hand Luke]

I agree with Guy and Aaron. I was upset with Irbe in November after his first tirade. Then the little interview with the Latvian reporters which was supposedly taken out of context and lost in translation irked me even more. Who knows what else happened that we don't know?

As for him not being invited to training camp, I think that is more a positive move than a negative. He has already cleared waivers with no takers. Do some of you really think that him not being invited to training camp is going to hurt his trade value any more than his shoddy play already has? I really doubt it. Just look at his save percentage and I think any team would send him straight to the minors, attitude or not.

By telling him up front that he's going straight to Lowell, JR is sending a couple of messages. Number one, he's telling the whole team to leave your attitude at the door. It won't be tolerated this year. Number two, he's telling Irbe exactly what he can expect, and is informally attempting to begin the renegotiation of Irbe's contract. The next move belongs to Archie. He can keep his contract and play for Lowell or he can renegotiate and try to stay in the NHL.

[Cool Hand Luke]

I agree with Guy and Aaron. I was upset with Irbe in November after his first tirade. Then the little interview with the Latvian reporters which was supposedly taken out of context and lost in translation irked me even more. Who knows what else happened that we don't know?

As for him not being invited to training camp, I think that is more a positive move than a negative. He has already cleared waivers with no takers. Do some of you really think that him not being invited to training camp is going to hurt his trade value any more than his shoddy play already has? I really doubt it. Just look at his save percentage and I think any team would send him straight to the minors, attitude or not.

By telling him up front that he's going straight to Lowell, JR is sending a couple of messages. Number one, he's telling the whole team to leave your attitude at the door. It won't be tolerated this year. Number two, he's telling Irbe exactly what he can expect, and is informally attempting to begin the renegotiation of Irbe's contract. The next move belongs to Archie. He can keep his contract and play for Lowell or he can renegotiate and try to stay in the NHL.

[1Irbegirlforever]

For those of us who are having a hard time with this, let's just wish him a good farewell, ok? Fine, he said some really dumb things that got him in a lot of trouble, but guess what? He won't ever be playing for us again, so those who are mad at him or don't like him will be happy.

Me? He's my favorite so of course i'm willing to forgive him his attitude. BUT, i want what is best for my Hurricanes and it's obvious Archie is not working out anymore here.

I will miss him though and i'm never going to forget all the great times he had here....

[1Irbegirlforever]

For those of us who are having a hard time with this, let's just wish him a good farewell, ok? Fine, he said some really dumb things that got him in a lot of trouble, but guess what? He won't ever be playing for us again, so those who are mad at him or don't like him will be happy.

Me? He's my favorite so of course i'm willing to forgive him his attitude. BUT, i want what is best for my Hurricanes and it's obvious Archie is not working out anymore here.

I will miss him though and i'm never going to forget all the great times he had here....

[Guyute]

let's try not to get too defensive... I know it's tough.

but even those of us that think it's time for him to go have said that he has been great for this org. and have wished him the best of luck in whatever comes next.

there's no slamming here... just statements of people understanding why the feelings about him might have changed.

no biggie, imo.

[Guyute]

let's try not to get too defensive... I know it's tough.

but even those of us that think it's time for him to go have said that he has been great for this org. and have wished him the best of luck in whatever comes next.

there's no slamming here... just statements of people understanding why the feelings about him might have changed.

no biggie, imo.

[1Irbegirlforever]

Thanks guyute for the nice words....yeah...looks like i'm having a worse time than i thought with this.... :sad:

[1Irbegirlforever]

Thanks guyute for the nice words....yeah...looks like i'm having a worse time than i thought with this.... :sad:

[netminder]

This entire situation was handled poorly and still is.

And it has been done with $5.6 million of OUR money.

Sure JR can lite a match to another $2.6 million of it next year on this issue, because he's arrogant enuf to think he can fleece us fans for more.

Here is the root cause of the issue:

Why give Irbe a 2 year $5.6 million contract and then immediately bench him.

That is where the mistake was made.

[netminder]

This entire situation was handled poorly and still is.

And it has been done with $5.6 million of OUR money.

Sure JR can lite a match to another $2.6 million of it next year on this issue, because he's arrogant enuf to think he can fleece us fans for more.

Here is the root cause of the issue:

Why give Irbe a 2 year $5.6 million contract and then immediately bench him.

That is where the mistake was made.

[StormShaman]

Why do you care? After all, you've as much as said that you're abandoning the team just because they had a crap season.

[StormShaman]

Why do you care? After all, you've as much as said that you're abandoning the team just because they had a crap season.

[ZJCanesFan]

Why give Irbe a 2 year $5.6 million contract and then immediately bench him.

That is where the mistake was made.

The Canes signed Irbe to the 3-yr contract extension on October 5, 2001, just at the beginning of the 2001-2002 season... so it wasn't at all that they signed him to a big contract and then immediately benched him. This past season was actually the second year of the three-year contract. Hindsight is easy but there was no way to foretell that both his skills and his attitude would drop off so sharply. From the salaries that other starting goalies were getting at the time this contract was signed, it was actually a very good deal for the Canes. Irbe actually thought that he got screwed and settled for too little.

-- ZJ

[ZJCanesFan]

Why give Irbe a 2 year $5.6 million contract and then immediately bench him.

That is where the mistake was made.

The Canes signed Irbe to the 3-yr contract extension on October 5, 2001, just at the beginning of the 2001-2002 season... so it wasn't at all that they signed him to a big contract and then immediately benched him. This past season was actually the second year of the three-year contract. Hindsight is easy but there was no way to foretell that both his skills and his attitude would drop off so sharply. From the salaries that other starting goalies were getting at the time this contract was signed, it was actually a very good deal for the Canes. Irbe actually thought that he got screwed and settled for too little.

-- ZJ

[#1irbefan]

i agree with the team being mad at him, but everbody is getting on everybodys nerve. you have the "kids" fighting for a spot on the team. You have trades. You just have a big mess of egos gettin together and thats what a bad season can do to u.

[#1irbefan]

i agree with the team being mad at him, but everbody is getting on everybodys nerve. you have the "kids" fighting for a spot on the team. You have trades. You just have a big mess of egos gettin together and thats what a bad season can do to u.

[raleighcanesfan]

you have the "kids" fighting for a spot on the team. You have trades. You just have a big mess of egos gettin together and thats what a bad season can do to u.

Remind you of any other teams? The Rangers perhaps??

[raleighcanesfan]

you have the "kids" fighting for a spot on the team. You have trades. You just have a big mess of egos gettin together and thats what a bad season can do to u.

Remind you of any other teams? The Rangers perhaps??

[talkingcanes]

I think egos can be a chemistry problem with a team. but there are always "kids" fighting for a spot and trades aren't unusual. It's all in how it's handled. I think the Canes' kids were the bright spot in the season and the trades seem to have been for the best for all players and teams involved.

The Rangers also get caught in the level of expectation set for them annually. If there are continually huge trades with bigger expectations with each trade and no time to gel, how do you win? What I don't understand is why players want to play for them.

[talkingcanes]

I think egos can be a chemistry problem with a team. but there are always "kids" fighting for a spot and trades aren't unusual. It's all in how it's handled. I think the Canes' kids were the bright spot in the season and the trades seem to have been for the best for all players and teams involved.

The Rangers also get caught in the level of expectation set for them annually. If there are continually huge trades with bigger expectations with each trade and no time to gel, how do you win? What I don't understand is why players want to play for them.

[raleighcanesfan]

What I don't understand is why players want to play for them.


$ And that is why they suck. The kind of players who only play for that are not ones capable of winning.

I mean the NYR of course

[raleighcanesfan]

What I don't understand is why players want to play for them.


$ And that is why they suck. The kind of players who only play for that are not ones capable of winning.

I mean the NYR of course

[talkingcanes]

excellent point RCF. wonder if $ ever makes up for the disappointment of missing the playoffs or the riducule of the fans? guess if it does, then they are getting what they want and deserve.

[talkingcanes]

excellent point RCF. wonder if $ ever makes up for the disappointment of missing the playoffs or the riducule of the fans? guess if it does, then they are getting what they want and deserve.

[rons#1fan]

I apologize for bringing some of these discussions back to the surface..but I haven't been logging in because I've just gotten back to work after being out for awhile and it's hectic...HOWEVER...as I read through this entire thread...I just have to go back to GUYUTE's first entry on page one and what he said is what it's about. Forget the statements Irbe unfortunately made to the press. He had plenty of opportunities to show us some fine goaltending after Kevin was injured...and all he showed us was....well he showed us nothing ! We could even try to give him the benefit of the doubt for a few games...but there was nothing there - time and time again. For the money he is making, I would expect more, slump or no slump.

He was at one time an asset to this team, but folks those days are gone. I too wish him all the best in whatever comes his way. He has given us some terrific memories but let's keep them fond ones instead of the negative ones and let him move on.

[rons#1fan]

I apologize for bringing some of these discussions back to the surface..but I haven't been logging in because I've just gotten back to work after being out for awhile and it's hectic...HOWEVER...as I read through this entire thread...I just have to go back to GUYUTE's first entry on page one and what he said is what it's about. Forget the statements Irbe unfortunately made to the press. He had plenty of opportunities to show us some fine goaltending after Kevin was injured...and all he showed us was....well he showed us nothing ! We could even try to give him the benefit of the doubt for a few games...but there was nothing there - time and time again. For the money he is making, I would expect more, slump or no slump.

He was at one time an asset to this team, but folks those days are gone. I too wish him all the best in whatever comes his way. He has given us some terrific memories but let's keep them fond ones instead of the negative ones and let him move on.

[caniac369]

Another possiblity:

JR looked at the situation with Archie, and then looked at Maurice wanting to get rid of both. Maybe he realized from a $$ standpoint that it would cost more in the long run to not invite Archie to training camp verses firing or buying out Maurice and hoping that he (Maurice) would get picked up by another team since it's obvious that nobody wants Archie. Add to that it's probably easier to replace a goalie than a coach when it comes to team dynamic, etc, athough there is no love lost when it comes to O's feelings about Maurice...

Did I make that point understandable?

[caniac369]

Another possiblity:

JR looked at the situation with Archie, and then looked at Maurice wanting to get rid of both. Maybe he realized from a $$ standpoint that it would cost more in the long run to not invite Archie to training camp verses firing or buying out Maurice and hoping that he (Maurice) would get picked up by another team since it's obvious that nobody wants Archie. Add to that it's probably easier to replace a goalie than a coach when it comes to team dynamic, etc, athough there is no love lost when it comes to O's feelings about Maurice...

Did I make that point understandable?

[Shell]

Expensive proposition
http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/story/6565873
Aug. 14, 2003
By Wes Goldstein

Goaltender Arturs Irbe could end up being the highest-paid player in the minors this season, if he remains property of the Carolina Hurricanes, that is.

The 36-year-old native of Latvia is still under contract to the Hurricanes, but doesn't figure in their plans and wasn't invited to training camp, which begins in less than a month.

Carolina's netminding will be handled by Kevin Weekes and Patrick DesRochers, and the team has given Irbe's agent time to find him another place to play.

That might be difficult though since Irbe posted NHL-worst marks last season in save percentage (.877) and goals-against average (3.18). Furthermore, Irbe was passed over by 29 teams when he was put on waivers late last season.

Carolina GM Jim Rutherford said the team will even assume some of Irbe's remaining contract -- $5.2 million over the next two years -- if a deal is worked out with another organization. The offer expires when training camp opens.

"He's been a very good player for this franchise and I would really like to see him catch on with another NHL team and end his career with another NHL team," Rutherford said. "The fact is, we've given him every opportunity to go to whatever team he wants. That's all we can do at this point. "

[Hellas1982]

You have to feel sorry for him at this point. But sometimes I think to myself why can't he accept just slightly less money so he could traded out of the minors and into the NHL somewhere. Does he need the money that bad?

[Canesluver]

Does he need the money that bad?

It's not a question of money. It's a question of pride. I'm sure in his mind he still thinks he's worth his salary, and doesn't want to believe that his best years are behind him. He's a very proud man, and it's got to be tough for a professional athlete to come to the realization that his career peaked and he's slipping down the backslide.

What Irbe needs is to have a heart-to-heart with someone whose friendship he trusts and whose opinion he admires--to help him plan his future in such a way that he can end his NHL career with dignity.

[stewart123]

Then he should accept a lower salary with performance bonuses that boost it back up to the current level. Give some team a reason to take a chance on him.

We have encountered many athletes in many sports who accept lower salaries than they would normally command, in order to live in a particular city or play with a particular team. I'm sure they are proud, also, but a part of that pride is playing sports at the highest professional level.. not pride in making a high salary.

I will acknowledge that the issue with Irbe is not related to greed. But pride is too clean a word, also. It's pride, but with a strong undercurrent of resentment towards the team that "mistreated" him. He wants the Canes to bring him back and admit they were wrong about him, or pay. Either one seems to satisfy him.

[This uneducated, uninformed psychology lesson brought to you by the Westinghouse Group, and the letter 'Q'.]

[Jeff O Rocks]

Why, why, why did he complain to the press???? :sad: If he hadn't done that, everything would be semi ok now!! :roll: And I agree it is pride too...a lot of it...you go from Stanley Cup to sitting on the bench!! I can imagine it takes its toll on them..even with the money they make!

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I don't think any of us have any idea what went one between Irbe and management, or wht Irbe is thinking or what his motives are. Speculating on that aspect is really useless and is bound to end up pissing off some poor Irbe fans (who already had to spend last year watching their idol plummet to the depths of the AHL) so I won't do it.

Irbe won't be back here, I wish him the best of luck where ever he ends up, and will think of him fondly for what he has given this franchise. Since I don't know the details of everything else that's the end of the story for me.

[AbNormal27]

Irbe won't be back here, I wish him the best of luck where ever he ends up...... Since I don't know the details of everything else that's the end of the story for me.

That goes for me too. Well said again, Angie.

Aaryn

[Rodgloveswitcher]

Ive gotta agree with Jeff O. If he could have just been quiet at the beginning of the year, who knows.....

[RIO]

poor Irbe fans (who already had to spend last year watching their idol plummet to the depths of the AHL)


:sad: :sad: :sad:

[guinevere]

clings to rio and sobs quietly.. :sad:

I'm going to miss the little guy. He was so exciting to watch but is nothing good that can come out him staying here.

Guin

[RIO]

clings to rio and sobs quietly.. :sad: Guin


Did you see the picture of him in the sports section of the N&O yesterday? :( I'm still plenty mad at Arch for his attitude, but he'll always be my favorite Hurricane.

[tommy]

Why, why, why did he complain to the press???? :sad: If he hadn't done that, everything would be semi ok now!! :roll: And I agree it is pride too...a lot of it...you go from Stanley Cup to sitting on the bench!! I can imagine it takes its toll on them..even with the money they make!

Well, if he hadn't complained, there would be less incentive to get rid of him. A bad season is one thing, but a bad season, couple with the thought that he deserves to be played anyway, aka ego, is another. I think the complaints will, in the long run, actually help to solidify our goaltender issues. All in all, I hope that Weekes plays awesome this year and makes this all a moot point, other than losing some money. I'm just as worried about Weekes/DesRochers as I am about Irbe right now.

[Turbulence]

I think the complaints will, in the long run, actually help to solidify our goaltender issues.
I had never thought about that aspect, but you are absolutely rtight. Irbe's mouth may make us get rid of his sub-par play. But, like everyone else, I hope he ends up somewhere where he can play. He'd be a great mentor to a young goalie/backup somewhere. I just don't think anyone'll take him...l
I'm just as worried about Weekes/DesRochers as I am about Irbe right now.
That's the big question mark right now. Certainly we'll be better off with Weekes/Patty than with Weekes/02-03 Irbe, won't we? Weekes will have to be stellar for his 60-65 games, and Patty D will have to be consistant. I have hope that they will...

Love the new location, Tommy. :spin:

[Jeff O Rocks]

Weeksey has yet to be seen at camp but Patty D. has been there everyday...should be very interesting!! :spin:

and best of luck to our little Latvian! :sad:

[Shell]

wonder if weekes has recovered from his surgery yet?

[nccanes]

SHC, hyena and I were talking about those players that hadn't "opted" to show up yet. We all agreed that we really hope he shows up earlier than the night before mandatory camp (like last year). I'd like for him to meet his new defenseman and watch them skate for a wee bit. :evil:

There were others on the "should show up soon", but we're giving them a little leeway. ;)

[tommy]

I'm just as worried about Weekes/DesRochers as I am about Irbe right now.
That's the big question mark right now. Certainly we'll be better off with Weekes/Patty than with Weekes/02-03 Irbe, won't we? Weekes will have to be stellar for his 60-65 games, and Patty D will have to be consistant. I have hope that they will...

You're right. I think the Canes may have seen the end of a 70-75 game goalie mini-era. I'm not sure if Weekes is ready or able to play 75 games this year, which is what I originally had thought, since DesRochers might not play a whole lot... but I'm thinking DesRochers won't play 25 games. But honestly, if Weekes isn't stellar, or gets injured, I really think we're screwed. DesRochers had two good games, and showed some potential, but IMO, he can't handle the number 1 position for a prolonged period. So I hope Weekes is over his concussion-mired tendencies (It obviously affected him), and his surgery (I can't even remember what his surgery was dealing with; I've tried to forget pretty much all of last season.)

Love the new location, Tommy. :spin:

LOL, thanks. :D

[Turbulence]

if Weekes isn't stellar, or gets injured, I really think we're screwed.
Yep. Even if DesRochers performs as a capable #1, who are we going to call up to be backup? Petruk? He isn't NHL calibur. Zepp? He isn't ready. Irbe? He's the last option, and prolly the smartest pick. But will he even be on the payroll by then?

I have every hope that Patty D will do well. He was great in his two games last year, and I think he can continue that into this season. But if he doesn't we'll be forced to trade him for a capable backup, or trade Weekes for a 75 game starter (Marc Denis was the only 75+ game goalie last year, and he played that much only because Jean-Francois Labbe isn't NHL calibur yet. You're right, the 70+ game year is gone for goalies.)

The big if...

[Shell]

Just came across this picture in my files.. sad now, given the status of the players.. but what a great picture.

http://www.tridead.net/images/WestlundIrbe.jpg
June 4, 2002 Carolina Hurricanes vs Detroit Red Wings
Tommy Westlund hugs teammate Arturs Irbe after Ron Francis scored the game winning goal in overtime to beat the Red Wings 3-2 in game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals. (Photo: David Sandford)

[Turbulence]

Did Tommy ever sign a contract with that Swedish team?
I always had hope that he'd blossom into the great scorer that he was in the Swedish league...I hope he finds success there...again.

Great picture.

[hyena]

*sigh* :sad:

[Shell]

Did Tommy ever sign a contract with that Swedish team?
I always had hope that he'd blossom into the great scorer that he was in the Swedish league...I hope he finds success there...again.

Great picture.

on 4/18 I posted:
it's official..

HEADED HOME: Hurricanes forward Tommy Westlund, who becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1, has signed with Swedish club Leksand for next season.

The Canes drafted Westlund, 28, after he led the Swedish league in scoring with 29 goals in 1998 but Westlund scored only nine goals in 203 games with Carolina. He was slowed by back problems in 2001-02 and spent almost all of this season with Lowell.

[Stormbringer]

Did Tommy ever sign a contract with that Swedish team?
I always had hope that he'd blossom into the great scorer that he was in the Swedish league...I hope he finds success there...again.

Great picture.

IIRC, I believe Tommy did return to a Swedish team...wish I could find the article...

And yes, that is indeed a great picture. :)

[Shell]

wish I could find the article...

http://www.eliteprospects.com/news.php?news=400

[Stormbringer]

wish I could find the article...

http://www.eliteprospects.com/news.php?news=400

Thanks Shell! :)

[Turbulence]

Danke Schön :smoke:

[1Irbegirlforever]

Just came across this picture in my files.. sad now, given the status of the players.. but what a great picture.

June 4, 2002 Carolina Hurricanes vs Detroit Red Wings
Tommy Westlund hugs teammate Arturs Irbe after Ron Francis scored the game winning goal in overtime to beat the Red Wings 3-2 in game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals. (Photo: David Sandford)

:cry: :cry: :cry: I can't help but say that it will be a while before i'm used to not having him as goalie for carolina anymore....

[Jeff O Rocks]

Awwwww...Archie looks like a little boy and Tommy looks like his big brother in that pic!! :sad:

[Shell]

From Kara Yorio's latest column:

The Canucks need a veteran backup to replace G Peter Skudra, who will play this season in Russia. If the Canucks don't get a veteran, rookie Alexander Auld will be the No. 2. Auld, 22, was impressive in seven games last season, posting a 1.57 GAA and .939 save percentage. Playing in the AHL would help Auld's development more than sitting on the bench for a full season behind Dan Cloutier

Sounds like Irbe would be perfect for them! Maybe Malik and Langdon can put a bug in management's ear. While there are a glut of free agents, there really aren't too many viable goalies (Irbe is cheap compared to available Cujo)

[Captain Slack]

Sounds like Irbe would be perfect for them! Maybe Malik and Langdon can put a bug in management's ear. While there are a glut of free agents, there really aren't too many viable goalies (Irbe is cheap compared to available Cujo)

Good idea, but it's not an option now!

Penguins trade Hedberg to Canucks for draft pick

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- The Pittsburgh Penguins traded goaltender Johan Hedberg to the Vancouver Canucks on Monday for a second-round pick in next year's NHL entry draft.

Hedberg has one-year left on his contract and appears headed for a backup role with Vancouver. The Canucks avoided arbitration with goaltender Dan Cloutier by signing him to a one-year contract last month.

Hedberg, 30, played in 41 games last season, posting a 14-22-4 record with a 3.13 goals-against average. He had been considered the Penguins' incumbent starter, although rookie Sebastien Caron drew much of the playing time in the second half of last season.

Caron, 23, was 7-14-2 with a 2.64 goals-against average in 24 appearances during his rookie season. The Penguins signed him to a four-year, $3.2 million contract on Friday.

The Penguins' top draft pick this year, Marc-Andre Fleury, 18, is also a goalie. Fleury hasn't signed, although the Penguins say he'll be allowed to compete for a job with the NHL club -- not just for a spot in the minor leagues -- when camp begins Sept. 12.

The trade leaves the Penguins have four goaltenders under contract with training camp a little less than three weeks away: Caron, Jean-Sebastien Aubin, Andy Chiodo and Martin Brochu.

Cloutier is coming off the only back-to-back 30-win seasons in franchise history. He appeared in 57 regular-season games last year, finishing with a career-best 33-16-7 record, two shutouts and a 2.42 goals-against average.