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nccanes
04-11-2003, 05:26 PM
Sorry folks. In my opinion, canceling the viewing of a baseball movie at the baseball hall of fame - is silly!

Hall president reiterates stance, noted author cancels Cooperstown appearance
BEN WALKER
Associated Press

NEW YORK - The baseball Hall of Fame president insisted Friday he was not politically motivated when he canceled a "Bull Durham" celebration because of anti-war criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, and said he had only one regret.

"I wish that the reasoning had been better articulated so it could have been better understood," Dale Petroskey, a former official in the Reagan administration, said from his office at Cooperstown, N.Y.

"What we were trying to do was take politics out of this," he said. "We didn't want people to espouse their views in a very public place, one way or another. The Hall isn't the place for that."

The Hall's stance resulted in another cancellation. Author Roger Kahn, whose "Boys of Summer" is considered among the best baseball books ever, has called off his August appearance to speak at the Hall in protest.

Petroskey sent a letter to Robbins and Sarandon this week, telling them the 15th anniversary festivities for "Bull Durham," a film about a North Carolina minor league team, set for April 26-27 were off.

Recent comments by the actors "ultimately could put our troops in even more danger," said Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under President Reagan.

Robbins and Sarandon, his longtime partner, have been active in peace rallies to protest the war in Iraq. Robbins said he "dismayed" by the decision and responded Wednesday night with a letter to Petroskey, telling him: "You belong with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy and shame."

Reaction was swift. The Hall received 5,000 e-mails on the topic Thursday, both pro and con.

"Certainly people have strong views about this. I'm surprised how much interest it's gotten," Petroskey said.

Petroskey said the cancellation was a management decision. He also said he was surprised at how his political background had been brought to the forefront of the debate.

"I spent two years in the Reagan White House nearly 20 years ago, and I never served former President Bush or the current President Bush," he said. "Nobody mentions the 11 years I worked at National Geographic. I find it interesting that people seize upon something from my career nearly 20 years ago and that it slants the issue."

Petroskey also released a statement, reiterating the Hall's stance and its ties to the military. Active and retired military personnel get free admission and a plaque was dedicated last Memorial Day to the 64 Hall of Famers who served the United States in the armed forces during wartime.

"As much as The Hall of Fame honors our armed forces, this institution should never be used as a platform for public pro-war sentiments - nor public anti-war sentiments. Given the track record of Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, and the timing - with our troops committed in Iraq - a strong possibility existed that they could have used The Hall of Fame as a backdrop for their views.

"Mr. Robbins and Ms. Sarandon have every right to express their opinions. But The Baseball Hall of Fame is not the proper venue for highly charged political expressions, whatever they may be," Petroskey wrote.

Robbins said this week that he had planned to talk about baseball, not the war and politics.

"This was just a celebration, a chance to see some friends from the movie and make what's become almost an annual trip with our boys," Sarandon said.

"As far as I knew, we weren't speaking. I wasn't even planning to wear makeup. And to politicize baseball is to violate the spirit of what it's all about," she said.

The "Bull Durham" affair, planned months ago, also was to feature actor Robert Wuhl and writer-director Ron Shelton. Robbins plays an up-and-coming minor league pitcher in the 1988 film and Sarandon plays a fan who helps him focus his erratic talent. Kevin Costner also stars.

Kahn was to speak at the shrine in behalf of his new book "October Men" about the 1978 New York Yankees team that won the World Series.

In a letter Thursday to Petroskey, Kahn wrote:

"By canceling the Hall of Fame anniversary celebration of 'Bull Durham' for political reasons, you are, far from supporting our troops, defying the noblest of the American spirit. You are choking freedom of dissent. How ironic. In theory, at least, we have been fighting this war to give Iraqis freedom of dissent.

"But here you, through the great institution you head, have moved to rob Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon and Ron Shelton of that very freedom. In support of the American right to dissent, I have no choice but to cancel my August speaking appearance at the Hall."

nccanes
04-11-2003, 05:26 PM
Sorry folks. In my opinion, canceling the viewing of a baseball movie at the baseball hall of fame - is silly!

Hall president reiterates stance, noted author cancels Cooperstown appearance
BEN WALKER
Associated Press

NEW YORK - The baseball Hall of Fame president insisted Friday he was not politically motivated when he canceled a "Bull Durham" celebration because of anti-war criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, and said he had only one regret.

"I wish that the reasoning had been better articulated so it could have been better understood," Dale Petroskey, a former official in the Reagan administration, said from his office at Cooperstown, N.Y.

"What we were trying to do was take politics out of this," he said. "We didn't want people to espouse their views in a very public place, one way or another. The Hall isn't the place for that."

The Hall's stance resulted in another cancellation. Author Roger Kahn, whose "Boys of Summer" is considered among the best baseball books ever, has called off his August appearance to speak at the Hall in protest.

Petroskey sent a letter to Robbins and Sarandon this week, telling them the 15th anniversary festivities for "Bull Durham," a film about a North Carolina minor league team, set for April 26-27 were off.

Recent comments by the actors "ultimately could put our troops in even more danger," said Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under President Reagan.

Robbins and Sarandon, his longtime partner, have been active in peace rallies to protest the war in Iraq. Robbins said he "dismayed" by the decision and responded Wednesday night with a letter to Petroskey, telling him: "You belong with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy and shame."

Reaction was swift. The Hall received 5,000 e-mails on the topic Thursday, both pro and con.

"Certainly people have strong views about this. I'm surprised how much interest it's gotten," Petroskey said.

Petroskey said the cancellation was a management decision. He also said he was surprised at how his political background had been brought to the forefront of the debate.

"I spent two years in the Reagan White House nearly 20 years ago, and I never served former President Bush or the current President Bush," he said. "Nobody mentions the 11 years I worked at National Geographic. I find it interesting that people seize upon something from my career nearly 20 years ago and that it slants the issue."

Petroskey also released a statement, reiterating the Hall's stance and its ties to the military. Active and retired military personnel get free admission and a plaque was dedicated last Memorial Day to the 64 Hall of Famers who served the United States in the armed forces during wartime.

"As much as The Hall of Fame honors our armed forces, this institution should never be used as a platform for public pro-war sentiments - nor public anti-war sentiments. Given the track record of Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, and the timing - with our troops committed in Iraq - a strong possibility existed that they could have used The Hall of Fame as a backdrop for their views.

"Mr. Robbins and Ms. Sarandon have every right to express their opinions. But The Baseball Hall of Fame is not the proper venue for highly charged political expressions, whatever they may be," Petroskey wrote.

Robbins said this week that he had planned to talk about baseball, not the war and politics.

"This was just a celebration, a chance to see some friends from the movie and make what's become almost an annual trip with our boys," Sarandon said.

"As far as I knew, we weren't speaking. I wasn't even planning to wear makeup. And to politicize baseball is to violate the spirit of what it's all about," she said.

The "Bull Durham" affair, planned months ago, also was to feature actor Robert Wuhl and writer-director Ron Shelton. Robbins plays an up-and-coming minor league pitcher in the 1988 film and Sarandon plays a fan who helps him focus his erratic talent. Kevin Costner also stars.

Kahn was to speak at the shrine in behalf of his new book "October Men" about the 1978 New York Yankees team that won the World Series.

In a letter Thursday to Petroskey, Kahn wrote:

"By canceling the Hall of Fame anniversary celebration of 'Bull Durham' for political reasons, you are, far from supporting our troops, defying the noblest of the American spirit. You are choking freedom of dissent. How ironic. In theory, at least, we have been fighting this war to give Iraqis freedom of dissent.

"But here you, through the great institution you head, have moved to rob Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon and Ron Shelton of that very freedom. In support of the American right to dissent, I have no choice but to cancel my August speaking appearance at the Hall."

Canesluver
04-11-2003, 06:43 PM
Recent comments by the actors "ultimately could put our troops in even more danger," said Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under President Reagan.

Give me a break? He can't seriously think that 2 actors have that much influence????!!!!

"This was just a celebration, a chance to see some friends from the movie and make what's become almost an annual trip with our boys," Sarandon said.

"As far as I knew, we weren't speaking. I wasn't even planning to wear makeup. And to politicize baseball is to violate the spirit of what it's all about," she said.

It sounds like she's baffled by the whole thing, too.

It looks like there's a force out there who believe in freedom of speech, only when they agree with what the speaker has to say. This force is esentially creating the same kind of black list that ocurred during McCarthyism. It's shameful.

Canesluver
04-11-2003, 06:43 PM
Recent comments by the actors "ultimately could put our troops in even more danger," said Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under President Reagan.

Give me a break? He can't seriously think that 2 actors have that much influence????!!!!

"This was just a celebration, a chance to see some friends from the movie and make what's become almost an annual trip with our boys," Sarandon said.

"As far as I knew, we weren't speaking. I wasn't even planning to wear makeup. And to politicize baseball is to violate the spirit of what it's all about," she said.

It sounds like she's baffled by the whole thing, too.

It looks like there's a force out there who believe in freedom of speech, only when they agree with what the speaker has to say. This force is esentially creating the same kind of black list that ocurred during McCarthyism. It's shameful.

Guyute
04-14-2003, 08:57 AM
I dunno... seems maybe they were trying to make sure that baseball (and this event) was not used as a forum to preach their anti-war propaganda. It's baseball.. and that's all it should be about. Yet, you bring in a couple of actors that have very publicly been protesting the war... and you have to assume that something would come up if they were speaking. I don't think it's a terrible move... but that's just me.

I've always liked both of them as actors... but Robbins (as well as many other actors) have annoyed me greatly as of late.

I don't think it has anything to do with squelching freedom of speech. If it was my event, and I didn't want certain people there because I was afraid of what they might do or say... would I be accused of not allowing free speech? I'd surely hope not.
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Guyute
04-14-2003, 08:57 AM
I dunno... seems maybe they were trying to make sure that baseball (and this event) was not used as a forum to preach their anti-war propaganda. It's baseball.. and that's all it should be about. Yet, you bring in a couple of actors that have very publicly been protesting the war... and you have to assume that something would come up if they were speaking. I don't think it's a terrible move... but that's just me.

I've always liked both of them as actors... but Robbins (as well as many other actors) have annoyed me greatly as of late.

I don't think it has anything to do with squelching freedom of speech. If it was my event, and I didn't want certain people there because I was afraid of what they might do or say... would I be accused of not allowing free speech? I'd surely hope not.
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nccanes
04-14-2003, 09:14 AM
According to Sarandon:

"This was just a celebration, a chance to see some friends from the movie and make what's become almost an annual trip with our boys," Sarandon said.

"As far as I knew, we weren't speaking. I wasn't even planning to wear makeup. And to politicize baseball is to violate the spirit of what it's all about," she said.


I guess you could presume that she's not being completely honest here, but....

Edited to add: I think if the Baseball Hall of Fame was concerned about off the cuff remarks by Sarandon/Robbins, that merely talking with them about it and dealing with the situation head on makes much more sense. Unless the Hall presumed they would be less than honest about that as well?

nccanes
04-14-2003, 09:14 AM
According to Sarandon:

"This was just a celebration, a chance to see some friends from the movie and make what's become almost an annual trip with our boys," Sarandon said.

"As far as I knew, we weren't speaking. I wasn't even planning to wear makeup. And to politicize baseball is to violate the spirit of what it's all about," she said.


I guess you could presume that she's not being completely honest here, but....

Edited to add: I think if the Baseball Hall of Fame was concerned about off the cuff remarks by Sarandon/Robbins, that merely talking with them about it and dealing with the situation head on makes much more sense. Unless the Hall presumed they would be less than honest about that as well?

SouthernHockeyChick
04-14-2003, 10:51 AM
From what I read Hall sent the letter cancelling the event and dis-inviting Robbins and Sarandon to the press before he sent it to them. Looks to me like Hall was the one trying to make the "statement" about the war.

SouthernHockeyChick
04-14-2003, 10:51 AM
From what I read Hall sent the letter cancelling the event and dis-inviting Robbins and Sarandon to the press before he sent it to them. Looks to me like Hall was the one trying to make the "statement" about the war.

Cool Hand Luke
04-14-2003, 12:11 PM
I agree with the Hall's actions. This is a time of war, the "celebration" of the movie with the actors can always be done at a later date. As for Sarandon's statement about supposedly not expecting to speak and intending to just visit with friends in celebration of the movie....hogwash. Isn't the purpose of the Academy Awards to just celebrate movie related issues? That didn't stop certain people from politcizing it, even after they were instructed not to. You can't trust these movie star types from attempting to politicize and publicize anything they can since they have repeatedly done so, at the most inappropriate times, over and over again. Suddenly we can trust them to change their ways? Cancelling an event like this or not inviting certain people is not taking anyone's personal freedom away, or stopping their freedom of speech. It's just not allowing them to rant at this particular event. Also, in my opinion, I don't think the organzers are making a statement about the war more than they are making a statement that they did NOT want the event, to be a statement about the war. With their repeated outspoken history, Sarandon and Robbins most likely would have turned it into one. I don't recall ever reading anything about the people representing the baseball Hall of Fame making statements about the war, previously.

Cool Hand Luke
04-14-2003, 12:11 PM
I agree with the Hall's actions. This is a time of war, the "celebration" of the movie with the actors can always be done at a later date. As for Sarandon's statement about supposedly not expecting to speak and intending to just visit with friends in celebration of the movie....hogwash. Isn't the purpose of the Academy Awards to just celebrate movie related issues? That didn't stop certain people from politcizing it, even after they were instructed not to. You can't trust these movie star types from attempting to politicize and publicize anything they can since they have repeatedly done so, at the most inappropriate times, over and over again. Suddenly we can trust them to change their ways? Cancelling an event like this or not inviting certain people is not taking anyone's personal freedom away, or stopping their freedom of speech. It's just not allowing them to rant at this particular event. Also, in my opinion, I don't think the organzers are making a statement about the war more than they are making a statement that they did NOT want the event, to be a statement about the war. With their repeated outspoken history, Sarandon and Robbins most likely would have turned it into one. I don't recall ever reading anything about the people representing the baseball Hall of Fame making statements about the war, previously.

CaniacKikiBB13
04-14-2003, 05:34 PM
I think they are both great actors but, they just need to learn how to keep their points of view to themselves. Their strong opinions about the war in Iraq are making them lose a lot of fans...Overall, I think it was a good decision to call it off. I seriously doubt that they could've keep their thoughts to themselves during the celebration...

CaniacKikiBB13
04-14-2003, 05:34 PM
I think they are both great actors but, they just need to learn how to keep their points of view to themselves. Their strong opinions about the war in Iraq are making them lose a lot of fans...Overall, I think it was a good decision to call it off. I seriously doubt that they could've keep their thoughts to themselves during the celebration...