College Basketball thread

[tommy]

Figured we could use one of these.

Unfortunate it has to start with the Pack being absolutely destroyed by St. John's last night. 27-10 at the half??? That's like the football team! And Levi Watkins and Jordan Collins didn't even score. Not one point.

Bad, bad game.

[tommy]

Figured we could use one of these.

Unfortunate it has to start with the Pack being absolutely destroyed by St. John's last night. 27-10 at the half??? That's like the football team! And Levi Watkins and Jordan Collins didn't even score. Not one point.

Bad, bad game.

[goalie33]

Fluke shooting night, but the Pack didn't seem too interested in running the offense, either.

Levi Watkins is TERRIBLE. Every now and then he has a really good night and gets 8-10 points, but I'd rather see Brackman start out of position than suffer with Levi for long stretches of time.

*sigh*

[goalie33]

Fluke shooting night, but the Pack didn't seem too interested in running the offense, either.

Levi Watkins is TERRIBLE. Every now and then he has a really good night and gets 8-10 points, but I'd rather see Brackman start out of position than suffer with Levi for long stretches of time.

*sigh*

[tommy]

Did anyone else see UNC simply smash Maryland? That was total destruction! UNC is VERY good this year. (duh)

[tommy]

Did anyone else see UNC simply smash Maryland? That was total destruction! UNC is VERY good this year. (duh)

[Stormbringer]

Dude, I'm still in awe...I knew my Heels were good this year, but DAMN. :eek2: :spin:

[Stormbringer]

Dude, I'm still in awe...I knew my Heels were good this year, but DAMN. :eek2: :spin:

[tommy]

And Duke is only up 7 on Temple. That would be QUITE an upset.

edit: down to 5 points, 2 minutes left

[tommy]

And Duke is only up 7 on Temple. That would be QUITE an upset.

edit: down to 5 points, 2 minutes left

[puck_it]

Temple really has givven some good teams hell, Wake, and Duke?? crazy

[puck_it]

Temple really has givven some good teams hell, Wake, and Duke?? crazy

[guinevere]

Did anyone else see UNC simply smash Maryland? That was total destruction! UNC is VERY good this year. (duh)

Oh...my ...gosh... I can't stand myself. That was an awesome game. 6? players with double digit scoring. They were up 40 points at one point.

[guinevere]

Did anyone else see UNC simply smash Maryland? That was total destruction! UNC is VERY good this year. (duh)

Oh...my ...gosh... I can't stand myself. That was an awesome game. 6? players with double digit scoring. They were up 40 points at one point.

[Stormbringer]

Temple really has givven some good teams hell, Wake, and Duke?? crazy

As long as John Chaney is coach of Temple, (which, I suspect, won't be for too much longer after this season) they'll have the potential to give *really* good teams fits. Because of that, first and second round NCAA brackets featuring the Owls can be tricky picks.

[Stormbringer]

Temple really has givven some good teams hell, Wake, and Duke?? crazy

As long as John Chaney is coach of Temple, (which, I suspect, won't be for too much longer after this season) they'll have the potential to give *really* good teams fits. Because of that, first and second round NCAA brackets featuring the Owls can be tricky picks.

[tommy]

Man, Wake really is giving UNC a hard time. It helps that they went 16-for-16 on free throws in the 1st half today.

[tommy]

Man, Wake really is giving UNC a hard time. It helps that they went 16-for-16 on free throws in the 1st half today.

[Stormbringer]

Man, Wake really is giving UNC a hard time. It helps that they went 16-for-16 on free throws in the 1st half today.

*whine alert*

Yeah, and it helps that refs have been pulling some ridiculous crap. Double fouls? I've never heard of such a thing outside of the NBA until today... :mad:

I've read at a few places how Skip Prosser has wanted a more NBA-like atmosphere in Winston-Salem. Well, I hope the guy is happy...he certainly has that NBA-likeness in the officiating AND his players' antics (Strickland trying to b*tchslap/elbow McCants and Danelius kneeing Felton for examples) anyway. :roll:

*end whine*

[Stormbringer]

Man, Wake really is giving UNC a hard time. It helps that they went 16-for-16 on free throws in the 1st half today.

*whine alert*

Yeah, and it helps that refs have been pulling some ridiculous crap. Double fouls? I've never heard of such a thing outside of the NBA until today... :mad:

I've read at a few places how Skip Prosser has wanted a more NBA-like atmosphere in Winston-Salem. Well, I hope the guy is happy...he certainly has that NBA-likeness in the officiating AND his players' antics (Strickland trying to b*tchslap/elbow McCants and Danelius kneeing Felton for examples) anyway. :roll:

*end whine*

[goalie33]

The first double foul came from the fact that they whistled McCants for holding and then Strickland threw the forearm and they couldn't let that slide...so they called both.

[goalie33]

The first double foul came from the fact that they whistled McCants for holding and then Strickland threw the forearm and they couldn't let that slide...so they called both.

[puck_it]

The first double foul came from the fact that they whistled McCants for holding and then Strickland threw the forearm and they couldn't let that slide...so they called both.

goin to georgia tech game?

[puck_it]

The first double foul came from the fact that they whistled McCants for holding and then Strickland threw the forearm and they couldn't let that slide...so they called both.

goin to georgia tech game?

[goalie33]

I go to every game.

[goalie33]

I go to every game.

[puck_it]

I go to every game. :D

where you sittin

[puck_it]

I go to every game. :D

where you sittin

[goalie33]

The tix I got are in 311 (I was at the window and I could see the tickets, I should've jumped out of line...I'm an idiot. Then again, if I went to Chapel Hill, I'd never get to sit on the floor). $10 says there are more left and I'll grab a good one as soon as the window opens tomorrow.

[goalie33]

The tix I got are in 311 (I was at the window and I could see the tickets, I should've jumped out of line...I'm an idiot. Then again, if I went to Chapel Hill, I'd never get to sit on the floor). $10 says there are more left and I'll grab a good one as soon as the window opens tomorrow.

[puck_it]

The tix I got are in 311 (I was at the window and I could see the tickets, I should've jumped out of line...I'm an idiot. Then again, if I went to Chapel Hill, I'd never get to sit on the floor). $10 says there are more left and I'll grab a good one as soon as the window opens tomorrow.

i think im 111 row V. pretty far back, but im there so im happy

[puck_it]

The tix I got are in 311 (I was at the window and I could see the tickets, I should've jumped out of line...I'm an idiot. Then again, if I went to Chapel Hill, I'd never get to sit on the floor). $10 says there are more left and I'll grab a good one as soon as the window opens tomorrow.

i think im 111 row V. pretty far back, but im there so im happy

[tommy]

32-for-32 free throws? are you serious??

[tommy]

32-for-32 free throws? are you serious??

[Stormbringer]

32-for-32 free throws? are you serious??

If it isn't the threes that fall against the Heels, it's the free throws. But to have the second best number of FTs in a NCAA game EVER? Un. Real.

[Stormbringer]

32-for-32 free throws? are you serious??

If it isn't the threes that fall against the Heels, it's the free throws. But to have the second best number of FTs in a NCAA game EVER? Un. Real.

[nccanes]

Can someone tell me when the last time State won a b-ball game when the winning margin was 3 points or less. It seems like forever.

I've never been a Fire Herb person at ALL, but if you can't win games in the final minute EVER, then you really have a big problem.

(My "entertainment" in the car last night was 90 minutes of mostly hockey talk with Morgan Patrick, the NCState-VaTech game, followed by the end of the Duke/Miami game....and then I STILL wasn't home).

[nccanes]

Can someone tell me when the last time State won a b-ball game when the winning margin was 3 points or less. It seems like forever.

I've never been a Fire Herb person at ALL, but if you can't win games in the final minute EVER, then you really have a big problem.

(My "entertainment" in the car last night was 90 minutes of mostly hockey talk with Morgan Patrick, the NCState-VaTech game, followed by the end of the Duke/Miami game....and then I STILL wasn't home).

[Mona]

My Pack sucks.. :sad:

[Mona]

My Pack sucks.. :sad:

[Turbulence]

Started out with so much promise, too.

I don't think alot of people realize how much the attrition rate of guards has affected the play of the team...Our point guard has gout and arthritis, Julius has had a sprained ankle, and Bennerman and Atsur have both had the flu. When you only have 1 or 2 guards playing at 100%, you can't do too well. (Thank goodness for Gavin Grant...he's playing better than any other guard right now. He's going to be absolutely awesome.) I think now we're finally starting to see the guards get back to normal (even if the game against VT was...handed to the Hokies, we saw a good team beat #8 Georgia Tech)
As far as forwards go...Brackman is the best thing we have going for us. He'll go to the NBA, count on it. He's the next Gugliotta. He is a great defensive player, has a great mind for the game, he can dribble, and he can shoot! Give him 3 years and 20 lbs of muscle, and he'll be dominant. Cedric Simmons is going to be very good as well, and he is finally learnig the offense after struggling with it for a little bit. Evtimov is fundamentally sound, though he can make some boneheaded plays at times...but he's a good guy to have in.
The two guys who really dissapoint me are Collins and Watkins. We went to the coach's meeting after the Duke game and someone asked a question about Watkins...the coach said "He can't play defense, he can't dribble, he can't rebound, he can't shoot..." so he's pretty much good for nothing. Collins is better than that, but not much.

So I think the future is very bright...Imagine next year with a lineup of Bethel-Bennerman-Grant-Evtimov-Brackman. That will be a great team.

[Turbulence]

Started out with so much promise, too.

I don't think alot of people realize how much the attrition rate of guards has affected the play of the team...Our point guard has gout and arthritis, Julius has had a sprained ankle, and Bennerman and Atsur have both had the flu. When you only have 1 or 2 guards playing at 100%, you can't do too well. (Thank goodness for Gavin Grant...he's playing better than any other guard right now. He's going to be absolutely awesome.) I think now we're finally starting to see the guards get back to normal (even if the game against VT was...handed to the Hokies, we saw a good team beat #8 Georgia Tech)
As far as forwards go...Brackman is the best thing we have going for us. He'll go to the NBA, count on it. He's the next Gugliotta. He is a great defensive player, has a great mind for the game, he can dribble, and he can shoot! Give him 3 years and 20 lbs of muscle, and he'll be dominant. Cedric Simmons is going to be very good as well, and he is finally learnig the offense after struggling with it for a little bit. Evtimov is fundamentally sound, though he can make some boneheaded plays at times...but he's a good guy to have in.
The two guys who really dissapoint me are Collins and Watkins. We went to the coach's meeting after the Duke game and someone asked a question about Watkins...the coach said "He can't play defense, he can't dribble, he can't rebound, he can't shoot..." so he's pretty much good for nothing. Collins is better than that, but not much.

So I think the future is very bright...Imagine next year with a lineup of Bethel-Bennerman-Grant-Evtimov-Brackman. That will be a great team.

[nccanes]

Turby, I'll accept what you've written, but how do you lose that game after being up virtually the WHOLE game? I realize peopel are not 100%, but can't you win in the final minutes after battling the whole game?

Seriously, I want to look up the record for State to see when the last time (or how often) the actually WIN a close game.


Okay, I looked over the last 2 seasons and State has one ZERO games that were decided by 3 or less points. They have lost 8 games by less 3 or less points.

If you look at the margin of victory being 5 points, they actually won more than they've lost.

[nccanes]

Turby, I'll accept what you've written, but how do you lose that game after being up virtually the WHOLE game? I realize peopel are not 100%, but can't you win in the final minutes after battling the whole game?

Seriously, I want to look up the record for State to see when the last time (or how often) the actually WIN a close game.


Okay, I looked over the last 2 seasons and State has one ZERO games that were decided by 3 or less points. They have lost 8 games by less 3 or less points.

If you look at the margin of victory being 5 points, they actually won more than they've lost.

[Mona]

Seriously, I want to look up the record for State to see when the last time (or how often) the actually WIN a close game.

Probably last year E.. we won some "squeakers" in the ACC.. I will try to find a score..

I hope you are right Turby.... we are getting spread thin.. I heard that Roach was coming back.. I hope he can..at least he can give the team a spark with his enthusiasm... If Brackman is another "Gugs", I will love him.. Gugs played with so much heart. I remember once him scoring 30+ against the Holes and we beat them when they were ranked and we were in the toilet... big time!! :nanner:

[Mona]

Seriously, I want to look up the record for State to see when the last time (or how often) the actually WIN a close game.

Probably last year E.. we won some "squeakers" in the ACC.. I will try to find a score..

I hope you are right Turby.... we are getting spread thin.. I heard that Roach was coming back.. I hope he can..at least he can give the team a spark with his enthusiasm... If Brackman is another "Gugs", I will love him.. Gugs played with so much heart. I remember once him scoring 30+ against the Holes and we beat them when they were ranked and we were in the toilet... big time!! :nanner:

[guinevere]

My Pack sucks.. :sad:

I'm so sorry peanut. They are my third favorite team. (after the unmentionable ones and Wake)

[guinevere]

My Pack sucks.. :sad:

I'm so sorry peanut. They are my third favorite team. (after the unmentionable ones and Wake)

[Turbulence]

Oh I'm not blaming it all on the flu/gaut...but it certainly doesn't help.

That said, I'm not 100% confident that giving it to Julius so he can make a 1-handed fadeaway to win the game is the best strategy...they know you're going to go for him, try to find Brackman or Simmons down low, and if they can't do it, kick it out to Grant or Bennerman on the wing. You want to go with the 'surest thing,' and considering what we know about Julius's jump shot, that ain't it. But I don't know if that was Julius being desperate and taking things into his own hands, or Herb's playcalling.
Herb was the ACC Coach of the Year last year for a reason, and I think with the right people he can be very successful...he just has to have the right people, and hasn't found them yet. Might never. But...clutch situations that decide the game, would you rather have Herb or someone else? Herb's teams have a long history of folding in pressure situations. I don't know why.

It's alot like the 'Canes...the potential is there, the team is not.

[Turbulence]

Oh I'm not blaming it all on the flu/gaut...but it certainly doesn't help.

That said, I'm not 100% confident that giving it to Julius so he can make a 1-handed fadeaway to win the game is the best strategy...they know you're going to go for him, try to find Brackman or Simmons down low, and if they can't do it, kick it out to Grant or Bennerman on the wing. You want to go with the 'surest thing,' and considering what we know about Julius's jump shot, that ain't it. But I don't know if that was Julius being desperate and taking things into his own hands, or Herb's playcalling.
Herb was the ACC Coach of the Year last year for a reason, and I think with the right people he can be very successful...he just has to have the right people, and hasn't found them yet. Might never. But...clutch situations that decide the game, would you rather have Herb or someone else? Herb's teams have a long history of folding in pressure situations. I don't know why.

It's alot like the 'Canes...the potential is there, the team is not.

[Mona]

My Pack sucks.. :sad:

I'm so sorry peanut. They are my third favorite team. (after the unmentionable ones and Wake)

Thanks sweetie.. and I know the "unmentionable one".. :p ;) :D

[Mona]

My Pack sucks.. :sad:

I'm so sorry peanut. They are my third favorite team. (after the unmentionable ones and Wake)

Thanks sweetie.. and I know the "unmentionable one".. :p ;) :D

[goalie33]

Oh I'm not blaming it all on the flu/gaut...but it certainly doesn't help.

Bethel still looks *terrible*. I saw him walking across campus the other day, and it looks like he's lost a lot more than the 18 pounds they claim.

That said, I'm not 100% confident that giving it to Julius so he can make a 1-handed fadeaway to win the game is the best strategy...they know you're going to go for him, try to find Brackman or Simmons down low, and if they can't do it, kick it out to Grant or Bennerman on the wing. You want to go with the 'surest thing,' and considering what we know about Julius's jump shot, that ain't it. But I don't know if that was Julius being desperate and taking things into his own hands, or Herb's playcalling.

Jules has really gone back and forth on his decision-making this year. Against Duke, he got into "do it all" mode and lost the ball three straight times and swung the momentum to Duke. Against GT, he realized it wasn't his game and shifted to a different role and the team did well. Because he was playing so well in his "traditional" role, he got that feeling that the last shot belonged to him, and he took it even when there were better options. With that said, Cedric Simmons is not ready. At all. The book on the two big freshmen all along was that Brackman would have sudden impact and Simmons would have to develop, but I think Brackman has taken over the whole show. I'm not disillusioned with Herb as some are, but losses like these do take their toll.

The one thing I do know is that Doak Field is going to be PACKED when Brackman makes his first start on the mound.

[goalie33]

Oh I'm not blaming it all on the flu/gaut...but it certainly doesn't help.

Bethel still looks *terrible*. I saw him walking across campus the other day, and it looks like he's lost a lot more than the 18 pounds they claim.

That said, I'm not 100% confident that giving it to Julius so he can make a 1-handed fadeaway to win the game is the best strategy...they know you're going to go for him, try to find Brackman or Simmons down low, and if they can't do it, kick it out to Grant or Bennerman on the wing. You want to go with the 'surest thing,' and considering what we know about Julius's jump shot, that ain't it. But I don't know if that was Julius being desperate and taking things into his own hands, or Herb's playcalling.

Jules has really gone back and forth on his decision-making this year. Against Duke, he got into "do it all" mode and lost the ball three straight times and swung the momentum to Duke. Against GT, he realized it wasn't his game and shifted to a different role and the team did well. Because he was playing so well in his "traditional" role, he got that feeling that the last shot belonged to him, and he took it even when there were better options. With that said, Cedric Simmons is not ready. At all. The book on the two big freshmen all along was that Brackman would have sudden impact and Simmons would have to develop, but I think Brackman has taken over the whole show. I'm not disillusioned with Herb as some are, but losses like these do take their toll.

The one thing I do know is that Doak Field is going to be PACKED when Brackman makes his first start on the mound.

[puck_it]

monie monie monie, our pack is AWE-fricken-SOME

[puck_it]

monie monie monie, our pack is AWE-fricken-SOME

[Mona]

monie monie monie, our pack is AWE-fricken-SOME

We must be watching two different Pack teams.. :p I wish they would turn it around and become awesome.. I have NO hockey team, our football team sucked and now this... :cry: Let me go back to my crocheting and knitting.. :D

[Mona]

monie monie monie, our pack is AWE-fricken-SOME

We must be watching two different Pack teams.. :p I wish they would turn it around and become awesome.. I have NO hockey team, our football team sucked and now this... :cry: Let me go back to my crocheting and knitting.. :D

[tommy]

Villanova is REALLY beating up on Kansas; the lead is about 30. Absolutely crazy.

[tommy]

Villanova is REALLY beating up on Kansas; the lead is about 30. Absolutely crazy.

[goalie33]

'Nova took Illinois to the wall, I think they are on an uber-hot streak.

[goalie33]

'Nova took Illinois to the wall, I think they are on an uber-hot streak.

[puck_it]

monie monie monie, our pack is AWE-fricken-SOME

We must be watching two different Pack teams.. :p I wish they would turn it around and become awesome.. I have NO hockey team, our football team sucked and now this... :cry: Let me go back to my crocheting and knitting.. :D


UMMMM www.ncstatehockey.org ;)

[puck_it]

monie monie monie, our pack is AWE-fricken-SOME

We must be watching two different Pack teams.. :p I wish they would turn it around and become awesome.. I have NO hockey team, our football team sucked and now this... :cry: Let me go back to my crocheting and knitting.. :D


UMMMM www.ncstatehockey.org ;)

[Mona]

Thanks puck_it.. I need to get my butt over to the Zone and watch guys that really want to play huh? ;)

[Mona]

Thanks puck_it.. I need to get my butt over to the Zone and watch guys that really want to play huh? ;)

[puck_it]

jan 28th at 7:30
jan 29th at 4:15

both against st johns fisher

be there or be square ;)

[puck_it]

jan 28th at 7:30
jan 29th at 4:15

both against st johns fisher

be there or be square ;)

[Mona]

jan 28th at 7:30
jan 29th at 4:15

both against st johns fisher

be there or be square ;)

Thanks for the info my friend!! And I have never been square! ;)

[Mona]

jan 28th at 7:30
jan 29th at 4:15

both against st johns fisher

be there or be square ;)

Thanks for the info my friend!! And I have never been square! ;)

[nccanes]

And again, State can't win at the end. Yes, I know they are sick/injured/etc. - but missing those free throws....

I didn't even watch the game, I checked the score on Yahoo and saw they were down by 4 with 2 and change to go - then "watched" the end of the game on the Yahoo GameChannel thing - and sure enough they couldn't do it -- again.

I hope they get their players healthy before it's too late...

[nccanes]

And again, State can't win at the end. Yes, I know they are sick/injured/etc. - but missing those free throws....

I didn't even watch the game, I checked the score on Yahoo and saw they were down by 4 with 2 and change to go - then "watched" the end of the game on the Yahoo GameChannel thing - and sure enough they couldn't do it -- again.

I hope they get their players healthy before it's too late...

[tommy]

holy crap - did the terps REALLY just beat Duke??? EXCELLENT!

[tommy]

holy crap - did the terps REALLY just beat Duke??? EXCELLENT!

[puck_it]

holy crap - did the terps REALLY just beat Duke??? EXCELLENT!

and we beat the terps. Mona get ready for a wild ride when we go to cameron!

[puck_it]

holy crap - did the terps REALLY just beat Duke??? EXCELLENT!

and we beat the terps. Mona get ready for a wild ride when we go to cameron!

[goalie33]

^ "We" meaning State? We don't. Stupid expansion. I HATE IT.

As a side note, the #1 Duke women come to the friendly confines of Reynolds Coliseum to play the #25 NC State women on Sunday. BE THERE!

[goalie33]

^ "We" meaning State? We don't. Stupid expansion. I HATE IT.

As a side note, the #1 Duke women come to the friendly confines of Reynolds Coliseum to play the #25 NC State women on Sunday. BE THERE!

[Mona]

At least the women are winning.. :roll: I saw somewhere that Temple is going to be added to the conference too.. I really don't like expansion.. oh well..

The men's team is terrible.. how on earth can they lose to Florida State at home??? Me thinks the basement will be reserved for NCSU once again.. :sad:

This is from the WRAL page... makes me wanna throw up.. :sick:

N.C. State Falls To Florida State

POSTED: 7:12 am EST January 27, 2005

RALEIGH, N.C. -- North Carolina State continued its up and down season with a home loss to Florida State.

The Seminoles earned their first Atlantic Coast Conference road win in nearly four years.

F.S.U.'s Von Wafer scored 23 points Wednesday night in beating the Wolfpack 70-64.

Julius Hodge scored 14 points for N.C. State.

The Wolfpack has beaten Georgia Tech and won at Maryland, but lost to league newcomers Virginia Tech and Miami.

Florida State controlled the first half, shooting 54 percent and holding the Wolfpack to 8-for-26 shooting.

N.C. State didn't help itself from the free-throw line in this game. The Wolfpack hit 13 of 23 free throws. If I was Herbie, those guys wouldn't leave the free throw line today for any reason.. :mad:

[Mona]

At least the women are winning.. :roll: I saw somewhere that Temple is going to be added to the conference too.. I really don't like expansion.. oh well..

The men's team is terrible.. how on earth can they lose to Florida State at home??? Me thinks the basement will be reserved for NCSU once again.. :sad:

This is from the WRAL page... makes me wanna throw up.. :sick:

N.C. State Falls To Florida State

POSTED: 7:12 am EST January 27, 2005

RALEIGH, N.C. -- North Carolina State continued its up and down season with a home loss to Florida State.

The Seminoles earned their first Atlantic Coast Conference road win in nearly four years.

F.S.U.'s Von Wafer scored 23 points Wednesday night in beating the Wolfpack 70-64.

Julius Hodge scored 14 points for N.C. State.

The Wolfpack has beaten Georgia Tech and won at Maryland, but lost to league newcomers Virginia Tech and Miami.

Florida State controlled the first half, shooting 54 percent and holding the Wolfpack to 8-for-26 shooting.

N.C. State didn't help itself from the free-throw line in this game. The Wolfpack hit 13 of 23 free throws. If I was Herbie, those guys wouldn't leave the free throw line today for any reason.. :mad:

[puck_it]

^ "We" meaning State? We don't. Stupid expansion. I HATE IT.


its you english people ;)

[puck_it]

^ "We" meaning State? We don't. Stupid expansion. I HATE IT.


its you english people ;)

[goalie33]

No no no, I didn't mean that stupid nit-picky thing about how you and I aren't on the team so we shouldn't say "we" when we mean the team. I refer to NC State athletic teams as "we" with no qualms. What I meant was that because of expansion, we only play Duke once each regular season, so no Cameron game this year.

[goalie33]

No no no, I didn't mean that stupid nit-picky thing about how you and I aren't on the team so we shouldn't say "we" when we mean the team. I refer to NC State athletic teams as "we" with no qualms. What I meant was that because of expansion, we only play Duke once each regular season, so no Cameron game this year.

[puck_it]

No no no, I didn't mean that stupid nit-picky thing about how you and I aren't on the team so we shouldn't say "we" when we mean the team. I refer to NC State athletic teams as "we" with no qualms. What I meant was that because of expansion, we only play Duke once each regular season, so no Cameron game this year.
oh ahha damn it i forgot it was carolina we played twice. not duke. well next year i mean!

[puck_it]

No no no, I didn't mean that stupid nit-picky thing about how you and I aren't on the team so we shouldn't say "we" when we mean the team. I refer to NC State athletic teams as "we" with no qualms. What I meant was that because of expansion, we only play Duke once each regular season, so no Cameron game this year.
oh ahha damn it i forgot it was carolina we played twice. not duke. well next year i mean!

[cmw00]

Oh boy might as well start the fuss over McCants throat slash gesture.....

[cmw00]

Oh boy might as well start the fuss over McCants throat slash gesture.....

[Mona]

Oh boy might as well start the fuss over McCants throat slash gesture.....

I didn't watch the game.. I knew what it would be. I saw the halftime score and I just passed it by. WTF did McCants do?? I don't like any of their players but he is my LEAST favorite. :mad:

[Mona]

Oh boy might as well start the fuss over McCants throat slash gesture.....

I didn't watch the game.. I knew what it would be. I saw the halftime score and I just passed it by. WTF did McCants do?? I don't like any of their players but he is my LEAST favorite. :mad:

[Stormbringer]

:nanner: http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1138590reg.jpg :nanner:

Personally, I think the McCants throat slash was and is much ado about nothing. *Really* no different from when Brett Favre AND Craig Adams did the same gesture. :huh: But then again, I'm a wittle biased, so I will shut up.

[Stormbringer]

:nanner: http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1138590reg.jpg :nanner:

Personally, I think the McCants throat slash was and is much ado about nothing. *Really* no different from when Brett Favre AND Craig Adams did the same gesture. :huh: But then again, I'm a wittle biased, so I will shut up.

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

Lol, love the picture Caroline. That was a great game. :D And I loved McCants throat slash just as much as I loved Craig's...but then again I was a little too into the game.

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

Lol, love the picture Caroline. That was a great game. :D And I loved McCants throat slash just as much as I loved Craig's...but then again I was a little too into the game.

[cmw00]

:nanner: http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1138590reg.jpg :nanner:

Personally, I think the McCants throat slash was and is much ado about nothing. *Really* no different from when Brett Favre AND Craig Adams did the same gesture. :huh: But then again, I'm a wittle biased, so I will shut up.

Just like the wake forest player did it? Maybe since it allready happend once in the ACC this season nobody will pay any attention to it. But they'll probaly suspend him for one day..... the 9th.....

damn that mike kryzkle93jgajh......

[cmw00]

:nanner: http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1138590reg.jpg :nanner:

Personally, I think the McCants throat slash was and is much ado about nothing. *Really* no different from when Brett Favre AND Craig Adams did the same gesture. :huh: But then again, I'm a wittle biased, so I will shut up.

Just like the wake forest player did it? Maybe since it allready happend once in the ACC this season nobody will pay any attention to it. But they'll probaly suspend him for one day..... the 9th.....

damn that mike kryzkle93jgajh......

[Mona]

*Really* no different from when Brett Favre AND Craig Adams did the same gesture. :huh: But then again, I'm a wittle biased, so I will shut up.

As I recall, Craig was fined for that. And one of Wake's players recently got reprimanded because he pulled his jersey over his head during a free throw out of frustration. Taunting has no place in athletics.. no matter who does it.

[Mona]

*Really* no different from when Brett Favre AND Craig Adams did the same gesture. :huh: But then again, I'm a wittle biased, so I will shut up.

As I recall, Craig was fined for that. And one of Wake's players recently got reprimanded because he pulled his jersey over his head during a free throw out of frustration. Taunting has no place in athletics.. no matter who does it.

[nccanes]

And I'd like to see the line between college athletes and pros at least pretend to exist.

Even when you enjoy it, no place for it in sports and certainly not in the NCAA, imo.

[nccanes]

And I'd like to see the line between college athletes and pros at least pretend to exist.

Even when you enjoy it, no place for it in sports and certainly not in the NCAA, imo.

[Night Train]

I feel physically sick after that game.

[Night Train]

I feel physically sick after that game.

[Jillsdad]

Certainly doesn't surprise me about the whole McCants thing. He has been bush league ever since he got to UNC. From saying if Doh is coach then I quit, to being sent to the locker room by Roy, to this latest gesture. Just proves that a leopard can't change his spots. Winning helps chemistry and covers up a lot of crap that a somewhat more lackluster record would not. See Philadelphia Eagles(ie TO)


P.S. Does UNC this year resemble some of the Georgetown teams of the mid eighties or is it just me?

[Jillsdad]

Certainly doesn't surprise me about the whole McCants thing. He has been bush league ever since he got to UNC. From saying if Doh is coach then I quit, to being sent to the locker room by Roy, to this latest gesture. Just proves that a leopard can't change his spots. Winning helps chemistry and covers up a lot of crap that a somewhat more lackluster record would not. See Philadelphia Eagles(ie TO)


P.S. Does UNC this year resemble some of the Georgetown teams of the mid eighties or is it just me?

[puck_it]

uhhh im gonna call fluke on that game.

and the gesture was uncalled for in any sport. Craig Adams got fine (i cant rember if he got suspended) but you cant fine a player in NCAA considering they make nothing. so he has to be suspended, preferably the 22nd

[puck_it]

uhhh im gonna call fluke on that game.

and the gesture was uncalled for in any sport. Craig Adams got fine (i cant rember if he got suspended) but you cant fine a player in NCAA considering they make nothing. so he has to be suspended, preferably the 22nd

[goalie33]

I think now is a good time to point out that McCants pulled the throat slash in response to a foul being called on him by an official, not in response to an NC State player.

Seriously though, 24 points in Chapel Hill with one missing starter and three freshmen in a seven-man rotation...it could've been a whole lot worse.

State kept Carolina from running away in the first half despite never once running the offense the right way (running the clock, lots of passing, good shot, backdoor in lieu of open shot), and that's as encouraging as anything, despite the fact that I would def. classify State's overall play as "bad."

[goalie33]

I think now is a good time to point out that McCants pulled the throat slash in response to a foul being called on him by an official, not in response to an NC State player.

Seriously though, 24 points in Chapel Hill with one missing starter and three freshmen in a seven-man rotation...it could've been a whole lot worse.

State kept Carolina from running away in the first half despite never once running the offense the right way (running the clock, lots of passing, good shot, backdoor in lieu of open shot), and that's as encouraging as anything, despite the fact that I would def. classify State's overall play as "bad."

[Mona]

I think now is a good time to point out that McCants pulled the throat slash in response to a foul being called on him by an official, not in response to an NC State player.



That's even worse... imo.

[Mona]

I think now is a good time to point out that McCants pulled the throat slash in response to a foul being called on him by an official, not in response to an NC State player.



That's even worse... imo.

[guinevere]

McCants comment about the incident

On his throat-slashing gesture: "There's nothing I can do on the court except for smile and frown and look like I'm not smacking my teammates hands. Everybody makes a big deal out of everything that I do. So, I live with it. I made a mistake. Coach told me that it was something that's not appropriate for us as a team and I made a mistake in doing it. Like I said, anything that I do on the court people are going to see and make a big deal about it. I don't know why, but it happens. It wasn't directed at N.C. State it was actually directed at one of my friends in the stands."

He's a kid for crying out loud. I understand that Carolina fans are few and far between on this board but lets not blow things out of proportion. If Hodge had done it I would feel the same way.

[guinevere]

McCants comment about the incident

On his throat-slashing gesture: "There's nothing I can do on the court except for smile and frown and look like I'm not smacking my teammates hands. Everybody makes a big deal out of everything that I do. So, I live with it. I made a mistake. Coach told me that it was something that's not appropriate for us as a team and I made a mistake in doing it. Like I said, anything that I do on the court people are going to see and make a big deal about it. I don't know why, but it happens. It wasn't directed at N.C. State it was actually directed at one of my friends in the stands."

He's a kid for crying out loud. I understand that Carolina fans are few and far between on this board but lets not blow things out of proportion. If Hodge had done it I would feel the same way.

[puck_it]

actually hes an adult. its something you jsut cant do. in ANY league. (or any where for that matter).

[puck_it]

actually hes an adult. its something you jsut cant do. in ANY league. (or any where for that matter).

[guinevere]

This is totally blown out of proportion because it was McCants and UNC. Of course he shouldn't have done it. He was reprimanded for it but there are lots worse things that could have happened. It wasn't directed at a player, a coach or a ref. I suppose maybe his first born son would suffice to rectify this horrible error in judgement. Worse things are said on the court between players all the time. This happened to have been caught on camera.

[guinevere]

This is totally blown out of proportion because it was McCants and UNC. Of course he shouldn't have done it. He was reprimanded for it but there are lots worse things that could have happened. It wasn't directed at a player, a coach or a ref. I suppose maybe his first born son would suffice to rectify this horrible error in judgement. Worse things are said on the court between players all the time. This happened to have been caught on camera.

[puck_it]

guin, what about when Sprewell said something to a fan, that was caught on camera and he was reprimanded. It doesnt matter verbal or non verbal (though verbal is toughter to catch), he needs to be suspended. Regardless of the team, what he did was wrong.

[puck_it]

guin, what about when Sprewell said something to a fan, that was caught on camera and he was reprimanded. It doesnt matter verbal or non verbal (though verbal is toughter to catch), he needs to be suspended. Regardless of the team, what he did was wrong.

[guinevere]

guin, what about when Sprewell said something to a fan, that was caught on camera and he was reprimanded. It doesnt matter verbal or non verbal (though verbal is toughter to catch), he needs to be suspended. Regardless of the team, what he did was wrong.

The Sprewell incident was much more aggravated than this. Comparing an NBA team to a college team is irrelevant. He was wrong - I admit that. He was reprimanded - thats been noted too. I"m not sure what else you want. I'm will not agree he needs to be suspended. My opinion on that will not change. I do feel that the NC State fans here are often very gleeful in trying to find fault with anything UNC does and yes Puck It, I do feel the reaction is in part because it is UNC. I don't think I saw a similar discussion occuring when a Wake Forest exhibited similar behavior recently.

For me- I said what I wanted to say. I do think you have blown this out of proportion. I do think it was wrong for McCants to demonstrate that behavior but I also feel theres a certain amount of glee in criticizing him for it.

[guinevere]

guin, what about when Sprewell said something to a fan, that was caught on camera and he was reprimanded. It doesnt matter verbal or non verbal (though verbal is toughter to catch), he needs to be suspended. Regardless of the team, what he did was wrong.

The Sprewell incident was much more aggravated than this. Comparing an NBA team to a college team is irrelevant. He was wrong - I admit that. He was reprimanded - thats been noted too. I"m not sure what else you want. I'm will not agree he needs to be suspended. My opinion on that will not change. I do feel that the NC State fans here are often very gleeful in trying to find fault with anything UNC does and yes Puck It, I do feel the reaction is in part because it is UNC. I don't think I saw a similar discussion occuring when a Wake Forest exhibited similar behavior recently.

For me- I said what I wanted to say. I do think you have blown this out of proportion. I do think it was wrong for McCants to demonstrate that behavior but I also feel theres a certain amount of glee in criticizing him for it.

[puckin_A]

uhhh im gonna call fluke on that game.

a fluke?....yea right!
:p


UNC is rockin this year and I couldn't be happier!! :D

[puckin_A]

uhhh im gonna call fluke on that game.

a fluke?....yea right!
:p


UNC is rockin this year and I couldn't be happier!! :D

[goalie33]

Maybe I should put a price on McCants' head for the whole NCAA, Reg Dunlop-style.

Or maybe I'll just continue enacting my brilliant plan for the second leg of the home-and-home.

Watch the next State/UNC game on TV, you'll be glad you did regardless of the outcome.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

P.S. Cam Bennerman will destroy you all with his newly-rehabilitated elbow of doom.

[goalie33]

Maybe I should put a price on McCants' head for the whole NCAA, Reg Dunlop-style.

Or maybe I'll just continue enacting my brilliant plan for the second leg of the home-and-home.

Watch the next State/UNC game on TV, you'll be glad you did regardless of the outcome.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

P.S. Cam Bennerman will destroy you all with his newly-rehabilitated elbow of doom.

[StormShaman]

Watch the next State/UNC game on TV, you'll be glad you did regardless of the outcome.

Date/time? I could use a cheap TiVo'ed laugh. ;)

[StormShaman]

Watch the next State/UNC game on TV, you'll be glad you did regardless of the outcome.

Date/time? I could use a cheap TiVo'ed laugh. ;)

[puck_it]

Watch the next State/UNC game on TV, you'll be glad you did regardless of the outcome.

Date/time? I could use a cheap TiVo'ed laugh. ;)

Feb 22nd 8pm

[puck_it]

Watch the next State/UNC game on TV, you'll be glad you did regardless of the outcome.

Date/time? I could use a cheap TiVo'ed laugh. ;)

Feb 22nd 8pm

[Mona]

Did anyone see Coach K pass out today? I saw it on the sports. He said that he got up too quickly, but he was in mid sentence, looked really strange and just laid down on the court.

[Mona]

Did anyone see Coach K pass out today? I saw it on the sports. He said that he got up too quickly, but he was in mid sentence, looked really strange and just laid down on the court.

[nccanes]

I missed that Mona, I guess I'll see it on the news in a bit.


And, if anyone is keeping score, State loses another game decided by 3 or less. Maybe that can be a goal next year.

I think Herb time-outed them to death in those last 2 minutes. Did the Pack actually score after all those time outs? I think sometimes you can time out a team to death in those final minutes.

Crowd looked pretty pitiful for a Sat night ACC game. And when Herb begged them to stand, only the students did.

At least I got to see a glimpse of the RBC center.

[nccanes]

I missed that Mona, I guess I'll see it on the news in a bit.


And, if anyone is keeping score, State loses another game decided by 3 or less. Maybe that can be a goal next year.

I think Herb time-outed them to death in those last 2 minutes. Did the Pack actually score after all those time outs? I think sometimes you can time out a team to death in those final minutes.

Crowd looked pretty pitiful for a Sat night ACC game. And when Herb begged them to stand, only the students did.

At least I got to see a glimpse of the RBC center.

[guinevere]

And, if anyone is keeping score, State loses another game decided by 3 or less

I hate to hear that. I was really hoping they would bounce back this year. They are one of my top three favorite teams and I hate seeing them go through this bad patch.

[guinevere]

And, if anyone is keeping score, State loses another game decided by 3 or less

I hate to hear that. I was really hoping they would bounce back this year. They are one of my top three favorite teams and I hate seeing them go through this bad patch.

[tommy]

Virginia.... just, wow.

[tommy]

Virginia.... just, wow.

[goalie33]

And when Herb begged them to stand, only the students did.

Please note that the tickets on the sidelines go to the Student Wolfpack Club, the most worthless bunch of unenthusiastic "fans" in the history of the planet.

Also note that I say this as an NC State student, and NC State fan, and a person who prefers sitting behind the basket for perspective purposes. The SWPC, in advertising itself as the "most diehard group of students," is a disgrace to passionate Pack fans.

[goalie33]

And when Herb begged them to stand, only the students did.

Please note that the tickets on the sidelines go to the Student Wolfpack Club, the most worthless bunch of unenthusiastic "fans" in the history of the planet.

Also note that I say this as an NC State student, and NC State fan, and a person who prefers sitting behind the basket for perspective purposes. The SWPC, in advertising itself as the "most diehard group of students," is a disgrace to passionate Pack fans.

[Turbulence]

How do you lose to Virginia? Why even have to be in the position to make a buzzer-beater in the last seconds...to Virginia? At the coach's little Q&A session after the game he was very frank in saying that alot of the problem is vocal leadership on the team...that nobody can or will stand up, not even Julius. It's really pretty pitiful, this team is. I'm starting to wonder now if State will even make the NIT. All I can do now is look forward to next year...with a talented lineup including more mature Simmons, Grant, and Brackman...and no Hodge, who seems to be a cancer on the team.

I think Herb might need to go...I'm not convinced that he isn't too smart of a coach...his systems on offense are so complex that they take a good shooter and take his natural rhythm away. Maybe we can get Nate McMillan from the Seattle Supersonics...he would do a great job.

[Turbulence]

How do you lose to Virginia? Why even have to be in the position to make a buzzer-beater in the last seconds...to Virginia? At the coach's little Q&A session after the game he was very frank in saying that alot of the problem is vocal leadership on the team...that nobody can or will stand up, not even Julius. It's really pretty pitiful, this team is. I'm starting to wonder now if State will even make the NIT. All I can do now is look forward to next year...with a talented lineup including more mature Simmons, Grant, and Brackman...and no Hodge, who seems to be a cancer on the team.

I think Herb might need to go...I'm not convinced that he isn't too smart of a coach...his systems on offense are so complex that they take a good shooter and take his natural rhythm away. Maybe we can get Nate McMillan from the Seattle Supersonics...he would do a great job.

[goalie33]

Being an alum, McMillan has been mentioned before, but I seem to remember reading that he wasn't interested in getting out of the NBA.

[goalie33]

Being an alum, McMillan has been mentioned before, but I seem to remember reading that he wasn't interested in getting out of the NBA.

[Stormbringer]

The word I heard about Coach K and his passing out was that it was due to a sinus infection...a symptom not too common but not really uncommon either. It happened to my dad once when he had a sinus infection.

As for State, I expect them to do much better when they get rid of Hodge. The dude has done everything but shout "I AM *THE* MVP!"...then again, I kind of want to say that he somewhat did that on the news once. :crazy:

[Stormbringer]

The word I heard about Coach K and his passing out was that it was due to a sinus infection...a symptom not too common but not really uncommon either. It happened to my dad once when he had a sinus infection.

As for State, I expect them to do much better when they get rid of Hodge. The dude has done everything but shout "I AM *THE* MVP!"...then again, I kind of want to say that he somewhat did that on the news once. :crazy:

[nccanes]

And when Herb begged them to stand, only the students did.

Please note that the tickets on the sidelines go to the Student Wolfpack Club, the most worthless bunch of unenthusiastic "fans" in the history of the planet.



Actually during the time I was talking about the sideline students DID stand up (though it's sad they had to be told), but I was talking about the regular fans. I would have thought a 1 point game in the final minute or so would have folks on their feet anyway.

As far as Hodge, well he WAS the MVP last year (ACC). Hodge has never struck me as obnoxious player. I think he feels the burden of leading this team and this year and since the team is struggling, he feels the pressure. I think it was AG on 850 that talked about on paper Hodge looks to be having another good year (he's 3rd in the ACC in scoring behind Reddick and Diaz).

As it turns out, Hodge may have taken the difficult road in returning for his Sr. year, but you gotta respect the choice, imo.

[nccanes]

And when Herb begged them to stand, only the students did.

Please note that the tickets on the sidelines go to the Student Wolfpack Club, the most worthless bunch of unenthusiastic "fans" in the history of the planet.



Actually during the time I was talking about the sideline students DID stand up (though it's sad they had to be told), but I was talking about the regular fans. I would have thought a 1 point game in the final minute or so would have folks on their feet anyway.

As far as Hodge, well he WAS the MVP last year (ACC). Hodge has never struck me as obnoxious player. I think he feels the burden of leading this team and this year and since the team is struggling, he feels the pressure. I think it was AG on 850 that talked about on paper Hodge looks to be having another good year (he's 3rd in the ACC in scoring behind Reddick and Diaz).

As it turns out, Hodge may have taken the difficult road in returning for his Sr. year, but you gotta respect the choice, imo.

[Turbulence]

Oh you have to credit his decision to come back and play...so many college basketball players (and High-Schoolers for that matter) think only about money. It's refreshing to see a guy like Jules go all 4 years.

But I think he gets frustrated because he sees his NBA dream slipping away. This year has not been good for him...he has no jump shot, now he can't even shoot free-throws, and he isn't big enough to be the type of guard that can drive down the lane and take it in himself (at least in the NBA). Last year, I think teams would have taken a chance on him. I'm not convinced of the same this year.

Maybe he can go play in Australia with Scooter Sherrill. :spin:

[Turbulence]

Oh you have to credit his decision to come back and play...so many college basketball players (and High-Schoolers for that matter) think only about money. It's refreshing to see a guy like Jules go all 4 years.

But I think he gets frustrated because he sees his NBA dream slipping away. This year has not been good for him...he has no jump shot, now he can't even shoot free-throws, and he isn't big enough to be the type of guard that can drive down the lane and take it in himself (at least in the NBA). Last year, I think teams would have taken a chance on him. I'm not convinced of the same this year.

Maybe he can go play in Australia with Scooter Sherrill. :spin:

[Mona]

When Virginia brought the ball down, I saw the first guy shoot and I was screaming BOX HIM OUT and get the rebound.. and what the fuc* did they do, they just stood there and let Virginia get the follow-up to win.... That was the first one of their games that I have pretty much watched in it's entirey this season. I usually get so frustrated that I yell and scare my dogs... when I saw Julius on the news, he looked just like I felt.

What is wrong with Eptimov?? Last night he just stood around.. :sick:

[Mona]

When Virginia brought the ball down, I saw the first guy shoot and I was screaming BOX HIM OUT and get the rebound.. and what the fuc* did they do, they just stood there and let Virginia get the follow-up to win.... That was the first one of their games that I have pretty much watched in it's entirey this season. I usually get so frustrated that I yell and scare my dogs... when I saw Julius on the news, he looked just like I felt.

What is wrong with Eptimov?? Last night he just stood around.. :sick:

[puck_it]

And when Herb begged them to stand, only the students did.

Please note that the tickets on the sidelines go to the Student Wolfpack Club, the most worthless bunch of unenthusiastic "fans" in the history of the planet.


As it turns out, Hodge may have taken the difficult road in returning for his Sr. year, but you gotta respect the choice, imo.

i agree with what g33 said. (i joined but i have since left in disgust). I personally was pissed that all those people started leaving with 2.2 on the clock. you're supposed to stay the ENTIRE game. ugh.

and E... Hodges mom made him :D

[puck_it]

And when Herb begged them to stand, only the students did.

Please note that the tickets on the sidelines go to the Student Wolfpack Club, the most worthless bunch of unenthusiastic "fans" in the history of the planet.


As it turns out, Hodge may have taken the difficult road in returning for his Sr. year, but you gotta respect the choice, imo.

i agree with what g33 said. (i joined but i have since left in disgust). I personally was pissed that all those people started leaving with 2.2 on the clock. you're supposed to stay the ENTIRE game. ugh.

and E... Hodges mom made him :D

[Guyute]

uh... where's all the Dookie vs Tarhole smackin'????

Dookie's must be skeered that for a change they'll lose this one. UNC is lookin T-uff.

[Guyute]

uh... where's all the Dookie vs Tarhole smackin'????

Dookie's must be skeered that for a change they'll lose this one. UNC is lookin T-uff.

[Mona]

uh... where's all the Dookie vs Tarhole smackin'????

Dookie's must be skeered that for a change they'll lose this one. UNC is lookin T-uff.

The only Duke fan I know that we have in here is Alicia (batesb13fan).. and she hasn't been in here in quite a while.. :sad:

[Mona]

uh... where's all the Dookie vs Tarhole smackin'????

Dookie's must be skeered that for a change they'll lose this one. UNC is lookin T-uff.

The only Duke fan I know that we have in here is Alicia (batesb13fan).. and she hasn't been in here in quite a while.. :sad:

[Guyute]

yeah but I know there a few 'Hole-Haters. just figured there'd be some excitement about this game. Hell, I'm not alumn of either... don't really care one way or t'other...

but I can guarantee you I'll watch the game... they are always awesome matches, and this is the first one in awhile where they were both ranked so highly. should be one of the better games of the season.

and hell... what else is there to talk about/watch? football is done, hockey... well.. may be more than done. college hoops are about it. :)

[Guyute]

yeah but I know there a few 'Hole-Haters. just figured there'd be some excitement about this game. Hell, I'm not alumn of either... don't really care one way or t'other...

but I can guarantee you I'll watch the game... they are always awesome matches, and this is the first one in awhile where they were both ranked so highly. should be one of the better games of the season.

and hell... what else is there to talk about/watch? football is done, hockey... well.. may be more than done. college hoops are about it. :)

[Night Train]

Go Refs!

Signed,

Bitter State Alum

[Night Train]

Go Refs!

Signed,

Bitter State Alum

[Turbulence]

This is the one and only one time you'll ever see me pull for UNC...in anything. I hate Duke more than I hate world poverty. Go Heels! This is where the light blue takes over...Duke is not as good or as deep as in previous years, and UNC is the best team in the country right now. Roy Williams has done a terrific job.

Anyone know why the game is on at 9 tonight? And why it's blacked-out on ESPN?

And for the record, world poverty is horrible.

[Turbulence]

This is the one and only one time you'll ever see me pull for UNC...in anything. I hate Duke more than I hate world poverty. Go Heels! This is where the light blue takes over...Duke is not as good or as deep as in previous years, and UNC is the best team in the country right now. Roy Williams has done a terrific job.

Anyone know why the game is on at 9 tonight? And why it's blacked-out on ESPN?

And for the record, world poverty is horrible.

[Guyute]

the real question is why is it not in HD?!?!?! ;)

[Guyute]

the real question is why is it not in HD?!?!?! ;)

[Shell]

the game is blacked out???? Will I get it here in Charlotte?? (I'm away on bizness this week). We were planning on watching

[Shell]

the game is blacked out???? Will I get it here in Charlotte?? (I'm away on bizness this week). We were planning on watching

[Guyute]

A) you're going to watch basketball?? hehe
B) game will be on there, according to http://www.wbtv.com/ (charlotte's cbs affiliate-- channel 3)

[Guyute]

A) you're going to watch basketball?? hehe
B) game will be on there, according to http://www.wbtv.com/ (charlotte's cbs affiliate-- channel 3)

[Stormbringer]

I'll be *very* shocked if my Heels do not win tonight. Dook is mighty lucky to be where they are right now, thanks in a huge part to them (almost) always being the pollsters' darling.

And I don't know about the rest of you...but I'll take Packer over Vitale any day of the week. So, yay for V being blacked out. :evil: ;) Just wish the encore version could be the JP/Raycom production too...

[Stormbringer]

I'll be *very* shocked if my Heels do not win tonight. Dook is mighty lucky to be where they are right now, thanks in a huge part to them (almost) always being the pollsters' darling.

And I don't know about the rest of you...but I'll take Packer over Vitale any day of the week. So, yay for V being blacked out. :evil: ;) Just wish the encore version could be the JP/Raycom production too...

[tommy]

84-79 UNC. That's my guess. If someone like Redick gets in foul trouble, Duke's sunk. But I don't think it'll be a blowout by any means... duh...

I'm absolutely beat right now, though, heck, I might not even last the whole game...

[tommy]

84-79 UNC. That's my guess. If someone like Redick gets in foul trouble, Duke's sunk. But I don't think it'll be a blowout by any means... duh...

I'm absolutely beat right now, though, heck, I might not even last the whole game...

[Turbulence]

Ha, speaking of Vitale, I turned on an old rerun of the Cosby Show last week and it featured cameos by Dick Vitale and Jimmy V...they were V and V and Sons Moving Company. Very funny! Vitale even got to use the catchphrase "It's gametime, baby!"

Billy Packer is a doofus. Give me Mike Gminski...or Dicky V any day of the week. Or Tripp Tracy.

[Turbulence]

Ha, speaking of Vitale, I turned on an old rerun of the Cosby Show last week and it featured cameos by Dick Vitale and Jimmy V...they were V and V and Sons Moving Company. Very funny! Vitale even got to use the catchphrase "It's gametime, baby!"

Billy Packer is a doofus. Give me Mike Gminski...or Dicky V any day of the week. Or Tripp Tracy.

[Stormbringer]

Give me Mike Gminski... Or Tripp Tracy.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. But, if those two aren't available, give me Packer.

[Stormbringer]

Give me Mike Gminski... Or Tripp Tracy.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. But, if those two aren't available, give me Packer.

[tommy]

well, this sure is, uh... high-scoring... :crazy:

[tommy]

well, this sure is, uh... high-scoring... :crazy:

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

well, this sure is, uh... high-scoring... :crazy:

Yeah...if you're talking about turnovers. :sick:

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

well, this sure is, uh... high-scoring... :crazy:

Yeah...if you're talking about turnovers. :sick:

[Turbulence]

Carolina is trying to run that up-tempo game to try to wear down Duke, but they're forcing it...you can run up and down the court fast as much as you want, but if you keep throwing sloppy passes right into the hands of JJ Redick or Sean Dockery, you can't score and you can't win. Despite the score, Duke really looks like the better team right now, even though they probably aren't. Roy needs to sit his team down and talk to them, get them to focus on their fundamentals. If UNC can ever get their heads straight they'll be the best team in 20 years...why they can't is beyond me.

[Turbulence]

Carolina is trying to run that up-tempo game to try to wear down Duke, but they're forcing it...you can run up and down the court fast as much as you want, but if you keep throwing sloppy passes right into the hands of JJ Redick or Sean Dockery, you can't score and you can't win. Despite the score, Duke really looks like the better team right now, even though they probably aren't. Roy needs to sit his team down and talk to them, get them to focus on their fundamentals. If UNC can ever get their heads straight they'll be the best team in 20 years...why they can't is beyond me.

[Night Train]

I would rather jam my eardrums repeatedly with a rusty screwdriver than hear Vitale call a game. He's a nice guy (met him about 10 yrs. ago) and great for basketball, I just can't stand his style anymore.

[Night Train]

I would rather jam my eardrums repeatedly with a rusty screwdriver than hear Vitale call a game. He's a nice guy (met him about 10 yrs. ago) and great for basketball, I just can't stand his style anymore.

[tommy]

What the hell just happened? Penetrate and get a shot off, you fool!

That's straight disappointing.

[tommy]

What the hell just happened? Penetrate and get a shot off, you fool!

That's straight disappointing.

[Stormbringer]

What the hell just happened? Penetrate and get a shot off, you fool!

That's straight disappointing.

Gawd, tell me about it. I feel...well, gyped. And I really wouldn't feel like that if the Heels had at least gotten a shot off.

Ugh...this is a Dook team we *can* beat, and we still screwed up. :roll: :sad:

[Stormbringer]

What the hell just happened? Penetrate and get a shot off, you fool!

That's straight disappointing.

Gawd, tell me about it. I feel...well, gyped. And I really wouldn't feel like that if the Heels had at least gotten a shot off.

Ugh...this is a Dook team we *can* beat, and we still screwed up. :roll: :sad:

[puck_it]

:nanner:

[puck_it]

:nanner:

[goalie33]

#1, ^

#2, the Cameron Crazies stole all my ideas (Santa Clara jerseys, prison uniforms, etc.)!

[goalie33]

#1, ^

#2, the Cameron Crazies stole all my ideas (Santa Clara jerseys, prison uniforms, etc.)!

[Turbulence]

I hate Duke.

At least it ended up being a good game. Looked like UNC was too disorganized to compete earlier on.

[Turbulence]

I hate Duke.

At least it ended up being a good game. Looked like UNC was too disorganized to compete earlier on.

[nccanes]

Dook is mighty lucky to be where they are right now, thanks in a huge part to them (almost) always being the pollsters' darling.



Gawd - it pains me to say anyting nice about Duke because I hate them, but their record and place in the ACC standings have nothing to do with pollsters. :sick: There, I said it.

Glad to see it was a close game, even it was ugly.

[nccanes]

Dook is mighty lucky to be where they are right now, thanks in a huge part to them (almost) always being the pollsters' darling.



Gawd - it pains me to say anyting nice about Duke because I hate them, but their record and place in the ACC standings have nothing to do with pollsters. :sick: There, I said it.

Glad to see it was a close game, even it was ugly.

[Mona]

Duke tried their best to give it to the Heels.. when they had that 8 point lead, I was like, go ahead and put that final nail in... but nope, they couldn't... what was Felton thinking is the million $ question today!!

[Mona]

Duke tried their best to give it to the Heels.. when they had that 8 point lead, I was like, go ahead and put that final nail in... but nope, they couldn't... what was Felton thinking is the million $ question today!!

[tommy]

what? nobodys talking about duke's latest slip-up, or the UNC/UCONN game???

[tommy]

what? nobodys talking about duke's latest slip-up, or the UNC/UCONN game???

[Mona]

Maryland just held it together last night.. they really wanted that game.

And the Pack didn't choke today... I watched and kept waiting for them to mess up and they didn't!! Hurray!! :nanner:

Hey E.. they won a close one! ;)

[Mona]

Maryland just held it together last night.. they really wanted that game.

And the Pack didn't choke today... I watched and kept waiting for them to mess up and they didn't!! Hurray!! :nanner:

Hey E.. they won a close one! ;)

[puck_it]

goooo pack


we are gonan take the ACC!!!

[puck_it]

goooo pack


we are gonan take the ACC!!!

[nccanes]

Hey E.. they won a close one! ;)

Finally! Figures that all the other times I was sure they'd win and didn't. Tonight I predicted the choke and they didn't.

Hopefully a sign of better things to come for the Pack.

Did anyone see the ESPN thing on student section taunting that featured an interview with JJ Reddick? I don't like Duke, and I love seeing Reddick have a bad night, but some of the stuff directed at him is just plain wrong. And to think he said there were things there was no way he could repeat on TV.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but the student section antics seems so contrived these days. Sure sometimes things are clever, but the whole make fun of the athletes, bad taste just don't impress me much. Yeah, I'm old. :huh:

Read this for a chuckle on how the Crazies got duped:

http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/01/28/41f9ca982b370

[nccanes]

Hey E.. they won a close one! ;)

Finally! Figures that all the other times I was sure they'd win and didn't. Tonight I predicted the choke and they didn't.

Hopefully a sign of better things to come for the Pack.

Did anyone see the ESPN thing on student section taunting that featured an interview with JJ Reddick? I don't like Duke, and I love seeing Reddick have a bad night, but some of the stuff directed at him is just plain wrong. And to think he said there were things there was no way he could repeat on TV.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but the student section antics seems so contrived these days. Sure sometimes things are clever, but the whole make fun of the athletes, bad taste just don't impress me much. Yeah, I'm old. :huh:

Read this for a chuckle on how the Crazies got duped:

http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/01/28/41f9ca982b370

[goalie33]

I think the problem with student sections lately is that they try to tread the line between the hilarious lack of taste it takes to make something memorable to sports folks and being inoffensive to the general public. While I know that the Crazies are derived from the Reynolds Rowdies, I think that on the whole most student sections lack the smarts and organization to pull off the brilliantly base things the Duke students threw at opposing players and coaches in the eighties and early nineties. If you make Jimmy V smile while pelting him with cheap sneakers, you must be doing something right.

If you're going to be tasteless, you better make it really funny, like the Cameron Crazies coating the floor in pizza boxes after Lorenzo Charles stole pizzas, or showering Herman Veal with panties and the "DID YOU BUY HER FLOWERS" sign after he was involved in a sex scandal. The things the Twerps said to Redick (as much as I hate him), don't involve a wink like the pizza boxes do, and that's what makes them so stupid. There's no wit involved, just simple name-calling.

[/incoherent rant]

[goalie33]

I think the problem with student sections lately is that they try to tread the line between the hilarious lack of taste it takes to make something memorable to sports folks and being inoffensive to the general public. While I know that the Crazies are derived from the Reynolds Rowdies, I think that on the whole most student sections lack the smarts and organization to pull off the brilliantly base things the Duke students threw at opposing players and coaches in the eighties and early nineties. If you make Jimmy V smile while pelting him with cheap sneakers, you must be doing something right.

If you're going to be tasteless, you better make it really funny, like the Cameron Crazies coating the floor in pizza boxes after Lorenzo Charles stole pizzas, or showering Herman Veal with panties and the "DID YOU BUY HER FLOWERS" sign after he was involved in a sex scandal. The things the Twerps said to Redick (as much as I hate him), don't involve a wink like the pizza boxes do, and that's what makes them so stupid. There's no wit involved, just simple name-calling.

[/incoherent rant]

[nccanes]

Nice way to sum it up G33 - not incoherent at all.

[nccanes]

Nice way to sum it up G33 - not incoherent at all.

[Mona]

I saw it too E... I have seen it all in Cameron (tv only), but that display at Maryland was a little much. If you think that about it Redick fine, but for 16,000 people to be yelling F you during a game, and it was televised to boot, that is over the top.

and g33, I remember the pizza boxes and panties.. of course the panties were much funnier!! ;) The pizza box throwers can take credit for building up Lo's confidence and that helped him dunk the "shot heard round the world" in '83! :p <<to Dukie's...

[Mona]

I saw it too E... I have seen it all in Cameron (tv only), but that display at Maryland was a little much. If you think that about it Redick fine, but for 16,000 people to be yelling F you during a game, and it was televised to boot, that is over the top.

and g33, I remember the pizza boxes and panties.. of course the panties were much funnier!! ;) The pizza box throwers can take credit for building up Lo's confidence and that helped him dunk the "shot heard round the world" in '83! :p <<to Dukie's...

[puck_it]

well said g33.

[puck_it]

well said g33.

[goalie33]

BTW, my diabolical plan for the UNC-CH game tomorrow may or may not be a go at this point.

Meh.

[goalie33]

BTW, my diabolical plan for the UNC-CH game tomorrow may or may not be a go at this point.

Meh.

[Turbulence]

We're the Red and White from State and we know we are the best.
A hand behind our back, we can take on the rest.
Come over the hill Caroline, Devils and Deacs stand in line,
The red and white from N. C. State. Go State!

Fear the Herb!

[Turbulence]

We're the Red and White from State and we know we are the best.
A hand behind our back, we can take on the rest.
Come over the hill Caroline, Devils and Deacs stand in line,
The red and white from N. C. State. Go State!

Fear the Herb!

[Mona]

We're the Red and White from State and we know we are the best.
A hand behind our back, we can take on the rest.
Come over the hill Caroline, Devils and Deacs stand in line,
The red and white from N. C. State. Go State!



There is a mistake in the third line! :p

I say the Pack by 4... (I know..I know) :roll:

[Mona]

We're the Red and White from State and we know we are the best.
A hand behind our back, we can take on the rest.
Come over the hill Caroline, Devils and Deacs stand in line,
The red and white from N. C. State. Go State!



There is a mistake in the third line! :p

I say the Pack by 4... (I know..I know) :roll:

[Turbulence]

There is a mistake in the third line! :p

Touché. :D

Heels by 24. You heard it here first.
But McCants may not play...and the Pack has been strong. Keep the Faith!

[Turbulence]

There is a mistake in the third line! :p

Touché. :D

Heels by 24. You heard it here first.
But McCants may not play...and the Pack has been strong. Keep the Faith!

[goalie33]

We're the Red and White from State and we know we are the best.
A hand behind our back, we can take on the rest.
Come over the hill Caroline, Devils and Deacs stand in line,
The red and white from N. C. State. Go State!

There is a mistake in the third line! :p

That's true, Mona; it's "Come O'er the hill Caroline."

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Seriously though, McCants not playing could ruin the hopes of many a heckler tonight. (McCants Read)

Pack by 4 sounds about right.

GO PACK!!!!!

[goalie33]

We're the Red and White from State and we know we are the best.
A hand behind our back, we can take on the rest.
Come over the hill Caroline, Devils and Deacs stand in line,
The red and white from N. C. State. Go State!

There is a mistake in the third line! :p

That's true, Mona; it's "Come O'er the hill Caroline."

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Seriously though, McCants not playing could ruin the hopes of many a heckler tonight. (McCants Read)

Pack by 4 sounds about right.

GO PACK!!!!!

[Stormbringer]

A poem for moi? How touching... :p I must honor thee with some poetry myself. Howzabout a wittle ditty by S. Tyler?

Dream on dream on dream on
Dream yourself a dream come true
Dream on dream on dream on
Dream until your dream comes true
Dream on dream on dream on dream on
Dream on dream on dream on yeah

The Heels by ten without McCants. By twenty-three with McCants. :smoke:

[Stormbringer]

A poem for moi? How touching... :p I must honor thee with some poetry myself. Howzabout a wittle ditty by S. Tyler?

Dream on dream on dream on
Dream yourself a dream come true
Dream on dream on dream on
Dream until your dream comes true
Dream on dream on dream on dream on
Dream on dream on dream on yeah

The Heels by ten without McCants. By twenty-three with McCants. :smoke:

[puck_it]

im so excited

sec 102 row B :D

[puck_it]

im so excited

sec 102 row B :D

[Guyute]

as someone with no vested interested in the game, other than being a fan of the sport (and conference).... I'll say, State's run has been nice... and needed, big time.
but, beating UNC may prove to be where the line ends for hopes of an NCAA tourny bid. jmo.

should be a good game though

[Guyute]

as someone with no vested interested in the game, other than being a fan of the sport (and conference).... I'll say, State's run has been nice... and needed, big time.
but, beating UNC may prove to be where the line ends for hopes of an NCAA tourny bid. jmo.

should be a good game though

[goalie33]

This season is shaping up EXACTLY like 1983. The one thing that's missing is the final push of confidence-building, the regular season win over UNC-CH.

By the way, today's Daily Tar Hell features many a nice piece on McCants' jail time, possession of STDs, and his subsequent ban from the new adult shop on Chick-Fil-A Franklin Street by Warden Huckleberry Hound.

http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=011201
http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=011200
http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=011199

You can see the Tar Hell images here:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=294149

or download the PDFs of the Tar Hell here:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jmmclawh/page01.pdf
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jmmclawh/page02.pdf
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jmmclawh/poster.pdf

[goalie33]

This season is shaping up EXACTLY like 1983. The one thing that's missing is the final push of confidence-building, the regular season win over UNC-CH.

By the way, today's Daily Tar Hell features many a nice piece on McCants' jail time, possession of STDs, and his subsequent ban from the new adult shop on Chick-Fil-A Franklin Street by Warden Huckleberry Hound.

http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=011201
http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=011200
http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=011199

You can see the Tar Hell images here:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=294149

or download the PDFs of the Tar Hell here:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jmmclawh/page01.pdf
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jmmclawh/page02.pdf
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jmmclawh/poster.pdf

[Turbulence]

Oh those are fantastic. McCants is such an easy target, too. With his head problems, he'll do great in the NBA!

I'm glad we have strong minded, fundamentally strong Europeans like Evtimov and Atsur...not a hint of ego on the team anymore. It's just a shame they can't play basketball like Felton and Jawad Williams.


And it's official...carolinablue.com says McCants will be out tonight. There might be a hint of a premonition of a chance of a close game tonight!

[Turbulence]

Oh those are fantastic. McCants is such an easy target, too. With his head problems, he'll do great in the NBA!

I'm glad we have strong minded, fundamentally strong Europeans like Evtimov and Atsur...not a hint of ego on the team anymore. It's just a shame they can't play basketball like Felton and Jawad Williams.


And it's official...carolinablue.com says McCants will be out tonight. There might be a hint of a premonition of a chance of a close game tonight!

[Turbulence]

Oh, and Carolina might win tonight...but we'll see how UNC fans feel next year after McCants, Felton, May, Jawad Williams, and Marvin Williams go to the NBA, leaving them with someone like Damion Grant starting.

[Turbulence]

Oh, and Carolina might win tonight...but we'll see how UNC fans feel next year after McCants, Felton, May, Jawad Williams, and Marvin Williams go to the NBA, leaving them with someone like Damion Grant starting.

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

Oh you silly people, stop drinking your haterade. :smoke:

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

Oh you silly people, stop drinking your haterade. :smoke:

[goalie33]

50+ years of raw venom leaves nothing but, I'm afraid.

Wait...no...I'm proud of that.

It's probably a good thing that McCants isn't making the trip, because I'd probably spit on his suit.

Probably.

For real.

I'll look around for it, but this reminds me of a quote that was overheard by a UNC-CH parent and his son, a boy around 12-13. Something along the lines of "talk trash to the Duke fans all you want and they'll talk back, but an NC State fan will fight you to the death."

Last week, Gary Williams almost took a run at one of the kids in the student section, and the intensity for UNC-CH is twice as high (we really REALLY hate Maryland, too).

It's hard to describe if you haven't been a part of it.

NC State will always be the scrappy sewer rat, be it on the court or in the stands. Even when the team was undefeated and on top of the world, it was on the shoulders of a lanky farmboy, a too-short point guard, and a walking miracle with an afro, led by a scrappy old man who fed on the stubborn nature of other coaches.

Ramble ramble.

[goalie33]

50+ years of raw venom leaves nothing but, I'm afraid.

Wait...no...I'm proud of that.

It's probably a good thing that McCants isn't making the trip, because I'd probably spit on his suit.

Probably.

For real.

I'll look around for it, but this reminds me of a quote that was overheard by a UNC-CH parent and his son, a boy around 12-13. Something along the lines of "talk trash to the Duke fans all you want and they'll talk back, but an NC State fan will fight you to the death."

Last week, Gary Williams almost took a run at one of the kids in the student section, and the intensity for UNC-CH is twice as high (we really REALLY hate Maryland, too).

It's hard to describe if you haven't been a part of it.

NC State will always be the scrappy sewer rat, be it on the court or in the stands. Even when the team was undefeated and on top of the world, it was on the shoulders of a lanky farmboy, a too-short point guard, and a walking miracle with an afro, led by a scrappy old man who fed on the stubborn nature of other coaches.

Ramble ramble.

[puck_it]

oh we ready

[puck_it]

oh we ready

[StormShaman]

What I wouldn't give to see a big sign saying BRENTROAD.COM on TV tonight. ;)

[StormShaman]

What I wouldn't give to see a big sign saying BRENTROAD.COM on TV tonight. ;)

[puck_it]

t dub what what

[puck_it]

t dub what what

[StormShaman]

Is this going to be televised on "regular" cable TV? Or do I need the ESPN Full Court package?

[StormShaman]

Is this going to be televised on "regular" cable TV? Or do I need the ESPN Full Court package?

[cmw00]

It'll either be on regular espn or the JP raycom network deal.
Go heels!

[cmw00]

It'll either be on regular espn or the JP raycom network deal.
Go heels!