BYU hockey player Jaxon Logan dies after hit by a slapshot

[cmw00]

:cry:

http://sharkspage.com/2005_01_01_archive_history.html#110642790027418011

[cmw00]

:cry:

http://sharkspage.com/2005_01_01_archive_history.html#110642790027418011

[Mona]

Oh no.. how tragic... what a sweet face he had.. :sad: :cry:

[Mona]

Oh no.. how tragic... what a sweet face he had.. :sad: :cry:

[StormShaman]

Macabre trivia note for the day: Chris Pronger (yes, the Chris Pronger that we drafted and who now plays for the St. Louis Blues) got hit the exact same way and almost suffered the same fate this poor guy did--he's alive today only because there was a defibrillator unit to hand to get his heart restarted.

Either way, this is a damn shame. My prayers are with his family. :(

[StormShaman]

Macabre trivia note for the day: Chris Pronger (yes, the Chris Pronger that we drafted and who now plays for the St. Louis Blues) got hit the exact same way and almost suffered the same fate this poor guy did--he's alive today only because there was a defibrillator unit to hand to get his heart restarted.

Either way, this is a damn shame. My prayers are with his family. :(

[Guyute]

horrible. :cry:

[Guyute]

horrible. :cry:

[puck_it]

thats horrible :sad:

you know every time i see a guy go down to block a shot and they get hit in the chest or stomach, i cringe, they jsut dont have the same protection goalies do. poor family, poor guy, poor team. i feel for em all

[puck_it]

thats horrible :sad:

you know every time i see a guy go down to block a shot and they get hit in the chest or stomach, i cringe, they jsut dont have the same protection goalies do. poor family, poor guy, poor team. i feel for em all

[goalie33]

Just a note from a goalie's perspective:

While this is a freak accident, and a terrible one at that, the hockey industry has known about it for a while and has been working to eliminate the possibilities of it happening. Most new goalie chest protectors have double or triple layers over the heart to prevent an arresting impact. I wouldn't be surprised if player upper body combos got some sort of heart panel in the near future, too.

[goalie33]

Just a note from a goalie's perspective:

While this is a freak accident, and a terrible one at that, the hockey industry has known about it for a while and has been working to eliminate the possibilities of it happening. Most new goalie chest protectors have double or triple layers over the heart to prevent an arresting impact. I wouldn't be surprised if player upper body combos got some sort of heart panel in the near future, too.

[puck_it]

yeah the skater pads are only really there for shoulders. some chest and spinal protection, but those are mainly for protection against an elbow, fall, or stick. id imagine a hard plastic insert (while not as effective as goalie pads) would be much better than just some padding

[puck_it]

yeah the skater pads are only really there for shoulders. some chest and spinal protection, but those are mainly for protection against an elbow, fall, or stick. id imagine a hard plastic insert (while not as effective as goalie pads) would be much better than just some padding

[guinevere]

This could happen in any sport where a sharp blow to the chest is possible - baseball etc. An AED would have helped. Its so very sad.

[guinevere]

This could happen in any sport where a sharp blow to the chest is possible - baseball etc. An AED would have helped. Its so very sad.

[Mona]

you know every time i see a guy go down to block a shot and they get hit in the chest or stomach, i cringe, they jsut dont have the same protection goalies do. poor family, poor guy, poor team. i feel for em all

I do too puck_it.. I remember Weekes taking a shot in the chest one time and I was very concerned about him.. he couldn't get up off the ice for a little while.. I can't believe that the guys didn't wear helmets and masks back in the "old" days..

[Mona]

you know every time i see a guy go down to block a shot and they get hit in the chest or stomach, i cringe, they jsut dont have the same protection goalies do. poor family, poor guy, poor team. i feel for em all

I do too puck_it.. I remember Weekes taking a shot in the chest one time and I was very concerned about him.. he couldn't get up off the ice for a little while.. I can't believe that the guys didn't wear helmets and masks back in the "old" days..

[puck_it]

I do too puck_it.. I remember Weekes taking a shot in the chest one time and I was very concerned about him.. he couldn't get up off the ice for a little while.. I can't believe that the guys didn't wear helmets and masks back in the "old" days..

why do you think back then after more that 5 years you were an "old" goalie. at the town hall, i beleive it was flanman and i were talking to Jimmy Rutherford about his being the first painted mask, and i brought up Gerry Cheevers, who painted stitchmarks each time his mask got hit, in all it was somewhere around 100.
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2308/cheevers41pb.jpg http://img96.exs.cx/img96/6056/cheevers58vx.jpg

Hockey wont ever be 100% safe, that part of the lure as well. it adds mystique to the Cup, playing through unholy pains and injuries fighting for the Ultimate prize. Its part of what hockey is. Remember O's black eye? John Maddens nasty cut below his eye? But when someone dies, it makes one pause and think, is something this tragic worth it?

EDIT: included some Cheevers pics.

[puck_it]

I do too puck_it.. I remember Weekes taking a shot in the chest one time and I was very concerned about him.. he couldn't get up off the ice for a little while.. I can't believe that the guys didn't wear helmets and masks back in the "old" days..

why do you think back then after more that 5 years you were an "old" goalie. at the town hall, i beleive it was flanman and i were talking to Jimmy Rutherford about his being the first painted mask, and i brought up Gerry Cheevers, who painted stitchmarks each time his mask got hit, in all it was somewhere around 100.
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2308/cheevers41pb.jpg http://img96.exs.cx/img96/6056/cheevers58vx.jpg

Hockey wont ever be 100% safe, that part of the lure as well. it adds mystique to the Cup, playing through unholy pains and injuries fighting for the Ultimate prize. Its part of what hockey is. Remember O's black eye? John Maddens nasty cut below his eye? But when someone dies, it makes one pause and think, is something this tragic worth it?

EDIT: included some Cheevers pics.

[Mona]

O's eye injury could have been tragic.. that close to the brain... :sad: Thank God he was ok..

[Mona]

O's eye injury could have been tragic.. that close to the brain... :sad: Thank God he was ok..

[goalie33]

Another thing to note about Cheevers is the chest protection he is wearing. The chest protector I wear is full of thick plastic inserts and both high- and low-density foams for impact absorption and dispersal. Cheevers' chest pad was made of felt and deer hair.

[goalie33]

Another thing to note about Cheevers is the chest protection he is wearing. The chest protector I wear is full of thick plastic inserts and both high- and low-density foams for impact absorption and dispersal. Cheevers' chest pad was made of felt and deer hair.

[Mona]

Those "Jason" masks that they used to wear doesn't look like a whole lot of protection to me.

[Mona]

Those "Jason" masks that they used to wear doesn't look like a whole lot of protection to me.

[goalie33]

They prevented a lot of blunt trauma to the face, but because they pressed against the skin the impact wasn't dispersed well and the goalie still got cut on the face due to skin tearing, etc. The helmet and cage combo that goalies like Tretiak wore took care of that problem, but some of the helmets were structurally weak (though the Jofa that Irbe still wears is one of the best goalie helmets ever made). Dave Dryden was the first big-name goalie to combine the sturdier fiberglass shell with the cage from the helmet combo, and that style of mask evolved into what most goalies use today.

[goalie33]

They prevented a lot of blunt trauma to the face, but because they pressed against the skin the impact wasn't dispersed well and the goalie still got cut on the face due to skin tearing, etc. The helmet and cage combo that goalies like Tretiak wore took care of that problem, but some of the helmets were structurally weak (though the Jofa that Irbe still wears is one of the best goalie helmets ever made). Dave Dryden was the first big-name goalie to combine the sturdier fiberglass shell with the cage from the helmet combo, and that style of mask evolved into what most goalies use today.

[puck_it]

Dave Dryden

Related to Ken?

[puck_it]

Dave Dryden

Related to Ken?

[StormShaman]

Dave Dryden

Related to Ken?

That would be his brother, yes.

[StormShaman]

Dave Dryden

Related to Ken?

That would be his brother, yes.

[puck_it]

hmmm thanks, didnt know he had a hockey playing brother

[puck_it]

hmmm thanks, didnt know he had a hockey playing brother

[goalie33]

Ken went in the game once when Bunny Larocque (I think, might've been later) was supposed to start, and the other coach immediately pulled his starter and put in Dave in an effort to psyche out Ken.

[goalie33]

Ken went in the game once when Bunny Larocque (I think, might've been later) was supposed to start, and the other coach immediately pulled his starter and put in Dave in an effort to psyche out Ken.

[cmw00]

Ken went in the game once when Bunny Larocque (I think, might've been later) was supposed to start, and the other coach immediately pulled his starter and put in Dave in an effort to psyche out Ken.

so who won?

[cmw00]

Ken went in the game once when Bunny Larocque (I think, might've been later) was supposed to start, and the other coach immediately pulled his starter and put in Dave in an effort to psyche out Ken.

so who won?

[Mona]

They prevented a lot of blunt trauma to the face, but because they pressed against the skin the impact wasn't dispersed well and the goalie still got cut on the face due to skin tearing, etc.

I can see how that would happen.. I wore one of those things for Halloween once and it just pressed into my face.. (I know the quality of a real hockey mask is a "little" better)..

[Mona]

They prevented a lot of blunt trauma to the face, but because they pressed against the skin the impact wasn't dispersed well and the goalie still got cut on the face due to skin tearing, etc.

I can see how that would happen.. I wore one of those things for Halloween once and it just pressed into my face.. (I know the quality of a real hockey mask is a "little" better)..

[goalie33]

so who won?

Ken. Ken was always a better goalie than Dave, at least at the professional level. Bigger, smarter, faster, better.

[goalie33]

so who won?

Ken. Ken was always a better goalie than Dave, at least at the professional level. Bigger, smarter, faster, better.

[e2ipiand1]

Just wanted to point out that Jaxon played for an ACHA team (http://www.achahockey.org), not an NCAA team, so I don't know what standards were in place for the equipment he used or what medical equipment or personnel were on hand.

[e2ipiand1]

Just wanted to point out that Jaxon played for an ACHA team (http://www.achahockey.org), not an NCAA team, so I don't know what standards were in place for the equipment he used or what medical equipment or personnel were on hand.

[goalie33]

Medical personnel might not have been present, but the ACHA requires all players follow USA hockey rules and wear certified equipment, full cages, etc. For an example of safety, it's a minor penalty in ACHA to continue to play if you've lost your helmet. A player must pick up the helmet, put it back on, and fasten the facemask before he can rejoin play.

[goalie33]

Medical personnel might not have been present, but the ACHA requires all players follow USA hockey rules and wear certified equipment, full cages, etc. For an example of safety, it's a minor penalty in ACHA to continue to play if you've lost your helmet. A player must pick up the helmet, put it back on, and fasten the facemask before he can rejoin play.

[e2ipiand1]

Thanks for the info, goalie33.

[e2ipiand1]

Thanks for the info, goalie33.