RFA's not getting offers from Canes

[ZJCanesFan]

According to today's N&O, JR stated that he will not be making qualifying offers to either Marty Murray or Ryan Bayda, but will to everyone else other than Alan Rourke. Regarding Rourke, it also says that he falls into some sort of 'obscure free-agent category' whatever that means and will not be immediately resigned by the Canes.

-- zj

[ZJCanesFan]

According to today's N&O, JR stated that he will not be making qualifying offers to either Marty Murray or Ryan Bayda, but will to everyone else other than Alan Rourke. Regarding Rourke, it also says that he falls into some sort of 'obscure free-agent category' whatever that means and will not be immediately resigned by the Canes.

-- zj

[StormShaman]

*weeps for her draft pick*

[StormShaman]

*weeps for her draft pick*

[nccanes]

So, I guess we'll see what Brendl can do in a Laviolette camp/system from Day 1.

Guin, I believe you called this one (concerning Bayda). :)

[nccanes]

So, I guess we'll see what Brendl can do in a Laviolette camp/system from Day 1.

Guin, I believe you called this one (concerning Bayda). :)

[Turbulence]

I for one am surprised Bayda wasn't qualified...he seeled like a pretty solid prospect. I guess not...

Same for Rourke. He was fantastic the end of the last NHL season. Guess he didn't cut it in Lowell.

[Turbulence]

I for one am surprised Bayda wasn't qualified...he seeled like a pretty solid prospect. I guess not...

Same for Rourke. He was fantastic the end of the last NHL season. Guess he didn't cut it in Lowell.

[ontheboards]

Bayda will make a good AHL player-- he just could not make the leap to the NHL.

[ontheboards]

Bayda will make a good AHL player-- he just could not make the leap to the NHL.

[KRAZYCANE05]

If we sign Brendl AKA Krispy Kreme then JR is stupid. Brendl is so lazy and he could care less. If a team has to push him so hard to pick things up then we don't need him. He couldn't even hack it in Euro during the lockout. They cut him from 2 teams. That should tell you something if 2 teams in Euro cut him THEN HE SUCKS! We just need to say bad trade and move on. Cut ties with him NOW!

[KRAZYCANE05]

If we sign Brendl AKA Krispy Kreme then JR is stupid. Brendl is so lazy and he could care less. If a team has to push him so hard to pick things up then we don't need him. He couldn't even hack it in Euro during the lockout. They cut him from 2 teams. That should tell you something if 2 teams in Euro cut him THEN HE SUCKS! We just need to say bad trade and move on. Cut ties with him NOW!

[puck_it]

the thing about bayda is hes CHEAP. even if we cant use him, send him to lowell and if we have an injury, bring him up.

[puck_it]

the thing about bayda is hes CHEAP. even if we cant use him, send him to lowell and if we have an injury, bring him up.

[nccanes]

Yeah, but Zig is cheap, and so is Forbes (if they decide to sign him again), and so is Larose. All of whom (as Guin pointed out) had a higher point production.

As I recall, Staal and Bayda were pretty close, so I bet he's a bit sad today too.

[nccanes]

Yeah, but Zig is cheap, and so is Forbes (if they decide to sign him again), and so is Larose. All of whom (as Guin pointed out) had a higher point production.

As I recall, Staal and Bayda were pretty close, so I bet he's a bit sad today too.

[Oggy Ogilthorpe]

If we sign Brendl AKA Krispy Kreme then JR is stupid. Brendl is so lazy and he could care less. If a team has to push him so hard to pick things up then we don't need him. He couldn't even hack it in Euro during the lockout. They cut him from 2 teams. That should tell you something if 2 teams in Euro cut him THEN HE SUCKS! We just need to say bad trade and move on. Cut ties with him NOW

easy there KrazyCane, you might be a little too Krazy for the rest of us

[Oggy Ogilthorpe]

If we sign Brendl AKA Krispy Kreme then JR is stupid. Brendl is so lazy and he could care less. If a team has to push him so hard to pick things up then we don't need him. He couldn't even hack it in Euro during the lockout. They cut him from 2 teams. That should tell you something if 2 teams in Euro cut him THEN HE SUCKS! We just need to say bad trade and move on. Cut ties with him NOW

easy there KrazyCane, you might be a little too Krazy for the rest of us

[Mona]

I like Marty and Ryan. They were both great guys that worked hard. Unfortunately, the hard work ain't enough sometimes. Best of luck to both to them. :sad:

[Mona]

I like Marty and Ryan. They were both great guys that worked hard. Unfortunately, the hard work ain't enough sometimes. Best of luck to both to them. :sad:

[caveman]

First: Just because an RFA doesn't get a qualifying offer from the Canes is not a 100% sure ticket they are not going to return to the team this year. It's not like we excercised a buyout or anything, these players are free to sign with any team -- including the Hurricanes.

Also: Just because we extended a QO to an RFA doesn't mean they'll be in camp, either.

-Sam

[caveman]

First: Just because an RFA doesn't get a qualifying offer from the Canes is not a 100% sure ticket they are not going to return to the team this year. It's not like we excercised a buyout or anything, these players are free to sign with any team -- including the Hurricanes.

Also: Just because we extended a QO to an RFA doesn't mean they'll be in camp, either.

-Sam

[goalie33]

*Does the Brendl dance of joy*

I'm glad Zig is getting a QO, too, and I'm also glad that Marty Murray's hard-workin', Canes-hatin' butt is most likely on the way out.

[goalie33]

*Does the Brendl dance of joy*

I'm glad Zig is getting a QO, too, and I'm also glad that Marty Murray's hard-workin', Canes-hatin' butt is most likely on the way out.

[Fernando da Silva]

I'm also glad that Marty Murray's hard-workin', Canes-hatin' butt is most likely on the way out.

Idem.

[Fernando da Silva]

I'm also glad that Marty Murray's hard-workin', Canes-hatin' butt is most likely on the way out.

Idem.

[puckin_A]

If we sign Brendl AKA Krispy Kreme then JR is stupid. Brendl is so lazy and he could care less


hmmm, I remember last time he came to camp in very good shape and then got hurt at the beginning of the season.

[puckin_A]

If we sign Brendl AKA Krispy Kreme then JR is stupid. Brendl is so lazy and he could care less


hmmm, I remember last time he came to camp in very good shape and then got hurt at the beginning of the season.

[Mona]

No matter what Brendl looks like physically, the Michelin tire man or the most buff man in the world, the bottom line is he is lazy. The initiative IMO, is not there. He could use his size to his advantage and he will not. He could be a bruiser in the corners. Until he gets in the trenches to get the puck out and IF he continues to loligag in practices like I have seen him do many times, I say send him to Lowell. Nothing personal against him, he just needs to work like the rest of the team.

[Mona]

No matter what Brendl looks like physically, the Michelin tire man or the most buff man in the world, the bottom line is he is lazy. The initiative IMO, is not there. He could use his size to his advantage and he will not. He could be a bruiser in the corners. Until he gets in the trenches to get the puck out and IF he continues to loligag in practices like I have seen him do many times, I say send him to Lowell. Nothing personal against him, he just needs to work like the rest of the team.

[StormShaman]

I seriously question the wisdom of qualifying Krispy. I mean, this is a dude that couldn't even hold down a job with Krefeld, one of the most pathetic teams in the German Hockey League--they cancelled his tryout contract inside of a week, citing a bad attitude and slack conditioning habits. The other teams that he tried to play for cited the same things when they sent him packing.

Just because he was a top-five draft pick, that doesn't mean that he's automatically worth hanging on to (see "Daigle, Alexander").

[StormShaman]

I seriously question the wisdom of qualifying Krispy. I mean, this is a dude that couldn't even hold down a job with Krefeld, one of the most pathetic teams in the German Hockey League--they cancelled his tryout contract inside of a week, citing a bad attitude and slack conditioning habits. The other teams that he tried to play for cited the same things when they sent him packing.

Just because he was a top-five draft pick, that doesn't mean that he's automatically worth hanging on to (see "Daigle, Alexander").

[nccanes]

It appears his contract is 2way. So if he tanks at camp he gets sent down to play in Lowell (I bet he'd head back to Europe at that point), or gets claimed off waivers. Not such a huge risk I don't think.

(and I'm not a fan :beatup:)

[nccanes]

It appears his contract is 2way. So if he tanks at camp he gets sent down to play in Lowell (I bet he'd head back to Europe at that point), or gets claimed off waivers. Not such a huge risk I don't think.

(and I'm not a fan :beatup:)

[CzechIt]

I still cannot understand why everyone is so against Brendl. Wasn't he is guy that (03-04) score 5 goals and had 3 assists in 18 games before taken out by a broken collarbone? Or the same guy who had 17 goals and 16 assists in 33 games in Lowell that same year. I know this is not alot but I think it warrants him having a chance in Carolina. ::shrug::

I know we gave Ryan Bayda alot more he show alot less in Carolina. (03-04) Bayda played 44 games with Carolina and had 3g and 3a.

[CzechIt]

I still cannot understand why everyone is so against Brendl. Wasn't he is guy that (03-04) score 5 goals and had 3 assists in 18 games before taken out by a broken collarbone? Or the same guy who had 17 goals and 16 assists in 33 games in Lowell that same year. I know this is not alot but I think it warrants him having a chance in Carolina. ::shrug::

I know we gave Ryan Bayda alot more he show alot less in Carolina. (03-04) Bayda played 44 games with Carolina and had 3g and 3a.

[Guyute]

I've been a Brendl defender for 3 years now. the possibility of him deciding to really play has worn on me. he's shown no effort. as the comparison was made before... see Daigle, Alexander.

I agree if he wants to hang out for 35k, let him. otherwise, cut him loose. we don't need people who aren't interested in trying. he wouldn't do it in philly, and hasn't done it for us.

[Guyute]

I've been a Brendl defender for 3 years now. the possibility of him deciding to really play has worn on me. he's shown no effort. as the comparison was made before... see Daigle, Alexander.

I agree if he wants to hang out for 35k, let him. otherwise, cut him loose. we don't need people who aren't interested in trying. he wouldn't do it in philly, and hasn't done it for us.

[caveman]

I for one am ready to cheer like an insane madman (brought to you by the department of redundancy department) for anybody who hustles, scores goals, makes plays.

But Brendl has to understand, he just has to, that his window of opportunity is closing hella fast. It's put up or shut up time, and at his price tag his "put up" is goals, assists, forechecking, backchecking, hipchecking, and so on.

Probably the "best thing" we could do to get Brendl going is to sign a veteran countryman (Czech). There are a few Slovakians and Czech players who would fit the bill in more than one way -- adding scoring skill to a team that needs it, showing good work ethic in front of our young Czech and Slovakian players like Brendl, Vasicek, and Vrbata -- although I think Radim's got his head screwed on right, at least.

We've got a medium-experience Czech defenseman in Kaberle, but he isn't really a vocal leader.

Adding Roman Hamrlik would bring good skill on defense, but again he's not exactly a "vocal leader" type, which is the guy we need to have to bring Brendl and Vasicek to the types of players their contracts are starting to show they need to be for us to be successful.

As I've said in another thread, Pavol Dmitra, Miro Satan, and Ziggy Palffy are all Slovakian, not sure how that really meshes with or Czech guys, and again -- while Palffy plays with fire, and the other two guys are really talented and produce, none of them (maybe Palffy) is a "locker room" type of guy. One of the guys who I would like to see us go after, Martin Straka, is a solid, scoring, veteran Czech player but again not a "locker room" guy.

We've got a few "locker room" types of guys. Brindy to be sure, but the fact is that young players aren't going to really listen too much to people who aren't producing -- the state of things is that Brindy isn't producing points, period. Kevin Adams is another guy who leads through hard work, but again he's not a point producing type of guy for Brendl and Vasicek to try to emulate. He basically has a different "job".

Personally I think we do need to stay out of the "RFA" chases, if any are going on -- the price in first-round picks for signing someone of importance is just too damned high, way too high. For most of the RFA folks the thing to do, which I know nobody wants to hear, is you've got to "wait until next year" when a lot of them are true FA. The real "sniping" of RFA can come once some teams are at their caps. Then you find the gems you can offer contracts to that (1) don't cost you the franchise in terms of picks and (2) cannot be matched by their team due to cap issues. For example if player X has a QO of $1M, their team maxes out their cap, you can swoop in and offer them $2-3M for a few seasons and their team can't match, and that's not costing you year after year of first round picks. Disclaimer: there might be CBA language to prevent this, one would hope so, but I haven't read the CBA in detail yet ;]

Other "non big name FA" to think about:
Martin Gelinas -- now this is a locker room guy. Practices hard, practices right, works out the right way, plays the right way -- and get this, he puts the puck into the net 20-30 times a year.
Glen Wesley -- there's something to be said for quiet veteran leadership, my above comments notwithstanding. However the price seems to be way too steep so far.
Vincent Damphoose -- something to prove. We need players with something to prove, because honestly they won't feel they need to prove a damned thing to Carolina hockey fans just yet. Well, that, and I picked him up in NHL 2004 and he did well centering for O'Neill... hm...
Jason Woolley -- if the "big" defensemen signings are getting done with are as reported, this guy will be overpriced as well. But if not...
Alexander Khavanov
Matthiew Dandenault -- skilled, versatile, fast. Did I mention fast? Anyway he would have to elect to become a group 5 FA, otherwise he's a RFA and thus borders on persona non gratia status.
Marek Malik -- come home, ya big lug. Ditto for Dandenault, has to elect to refuse his QO from Vancouver and become a group 5 FA. If he does, it would still seem there is bigger money out there for him that what would be sensible for us.
Martin Skoula -- as Oggy has pointed out, if these guy is available and for a sane amount of money, sign the damned papers.
Ville Niemenen -- "for the right price" this guy is a great PK guy, a good "pest" guy, solid, physical, gritty.
Richard Park -- for the right (read: bargain) price this guy is a decent forward. Seriously.

Obviously there are the guys like Modano, Forsberg, Niedermeyer, Mogilny, Stevens, Naslund. These guys are not coming to Carolina. Ronnie Francis was a huge, huge deal for us. You know why? Name another top-flight free agent that has signed here. Crickets chirp in the background as I wait.

I didn't even talk about many of the "buyout" players like LeClair, etc. There are so many free agents, it is stretching it a bit to complain about seeing a few $4Mil defensement getting signed (overpriced!) on day 1 and 2 of the FA period. We are not in the market for paying $4.5M for $2M players. We are in the market for paying $3M for $2.5M players, for paying $2M for $1.5M players.

-Sam

[caveman]

I for one am ready to cheer like an insane madman (brought to you by the department of redundancy department) for anybody who hustles, scores goals, makes plays.

But Brendl has to understand, he just has to, that his window of opportunity is closing hella fast. It's put up or shut up time, and at his price tag his "put up" is goals, assists, forechecking, backchecking, hipchecking, and so on.

Probably the "best thing" we could do to get Brendl going is to sign a veteran countryman (Czech). There are a few Slovakians and Czech players who would fit the bill in more than one way -- adding scoring skill to a team that needs it, showing good work ethic in front of our young Czech and Slovakian players like Brendl, Vasicek, and Vrbata -- although I think Radim's got his head screwed on right, at least.

We've got a medium-experience Czech defenseman in Kaberle, but he isn't really a vocal leader.

Adding Roman Hamrlik would bring good skill on defense, but again he's not exactly a "vocal leader" type, which is the guy we need to have to bring Brendl and Vasicek to the types of players their contracts are starting to show they need to be for us to be successful.

As I've said in another thread, Pavol Dmitra, Miro Satan, and Ziggy Palffy are all Slovakian, not sure how that really meshes with or Czech guys, and again -- while Palffy plays with fire, and the other two guys are really talented and produce, none of them (maybe Palffy) is a "locker room" type of guy. One of the guys who I would like to see us go after, Martin Straka, is a solid, scoring, veteran Czech player but again not a "locker room" guy.

We've got a few "locker room" types of guys. Brindy to be sure, but the fact is that young players aren't going to really listen too much to people who aren't producing -- the state of things is that Brindy isn't producing points, period. Kevin Adams is another guy who leads through hard work, but again he's not a point producing type of guy for Brendl and Vasicek to try to emulate. He basically has a different "job".

Personally I think we do need to stay out of the "RFA" chases, if any are going on -- the price in first-round picks for signing someone of importance is just too damned high, way too high. For most of the RFA folks the thing to do, which I know nobody wants to hear, is you've got to "wait until next year" when a lot of them are true FA. The real "sniping" of RFA can come once some teams are at their caps. Then you find the gems you can offer contracts to that (1) don't cost you the franchise in terms of picks and (2) cannot be matched by their team due to cap issues. For example if player X has a QO of $1M, their team maxes out their cap, you can swoop in and offer them $2-3M for a few seasons and their team can't match, and that's not costing you year after year of first round picks. Disclaimer: there might be CBA language to prevent this, one would hope so, but I haven't read the CBA in detail yet ;]

Other "non big name FA" to think about:
Martin Gelinas -- now this is a locker room guy. Practices hard, practices right, works out the right way, plays the right way -- and get this, he puts the puck into the net 20-30 times a year.
Glen Wesley -- there's something to be said for quiet veteran leadership, my above comments notwithstanding. However the price seems to be way too steep so far.
Vincent Damphoose -- something to prove. We need players with something to prove, because honestly they won't feel they need to prove a damned thing to Carolina hockey fans just yet. Well, that, and I picked him up in NHL 2004 and he did well centering for O'Neill... hm...
Jason Woolley -- if the "big" defensemen signings are getting done with are as reported, this guy will be overpriced as well. But if not...
Alexander Khavanov
Matthiew Dandenault -- skilled, versatile, fast. Did I mention fast? Anyway he would have to elect to become a group 5 FA, otherwise he's a RFA and thus borders on persona non gratia status.
Marek Malik -- come home, ya big lug. Ditto for Dandenault, has to elect to refuse his QO from Vancouver and become a group 5 FA. If he does, it would still seem there is bigger money out there for him that what would be sensible for us.
Martin Skoula -- as Oggy has pointed out, if these guy is available and for a sane amount of money, sign the damned papers.
Ville Niemenen -- "for the right price" this guy is a great PK guy, a good "pest" guy, solid, physical, gritty.
Richard Park -- for the right (read: bargain) price this guy is a decent forward. Seriously.

Obviously there are the guys like Modano, Forsberg, Niedermeyer, Mogilny, Stevens, Naslund. These guys are not coming to Carolina. Ronnie Francis was a huge, huge deal for us. You know why? Name another top-flight free agent that has signed here. Crickets chirp in the background as I wait.

I didn't even talk about many of the "buyout" players like LeClair, etc. There are so many free agents, it is stretching it a bit to complain about seeing a few $4Mil defensement getting signed (overpriced!) on day 1 and 2 of the FA period. We are not in the market for paying $4.5M for $2M players. We are in the market for paying $3M for $2.5M players, for paying $2M for $1.5M players.

-Sam

[PennsylvaniaCanesFan]

Speaking of Sir Ron...haven't heard or read much about him? What's new with him...

[PennsylvaniaCanesFan]

Speaking of Sir Ron...haven't heard or read much about him? What's new with him...

[puck_it]

i dunno. i know he kept in shape. thats about it

[puck_it]

i dunno. i know he kept in shape. thats about it