1-0 Shootout loss [Archive]

cmw00

11-02-2005, 06:42 AM

Do both goalies still get shutouts?

StormChaserBH

11-02-2005, 07:35 AM

The rule on shootouts doesn't specifically mention the shutout, but it does say

(NOTE 6) The losing goalkeeper will not be charged with the extra goal against. The player scoring the game winning goal in the shootout will not be credited with a goal scored in his personal statistics.

So that sounds like it would be a shutout if the goal is not charged or counted.

Guyute

11-02-2005, 08:16 AM

hard to give a shutout stat to a goalie when the game was not a win.

his GAA might be 0 for the game... but a shutout = a win. if you don't win, I don't see how you can be credited with a shutout... even if the "goals in the shootout don't count, statistically".

my $.02

corylav

11-02-2005, 09:17 AM

hard to give a shutout stat to a goalie when the game was not a win.

his GAA might be 0 for the game... but a shutout = a win. if you don't win, I don't see how you can be credited with a shutout... even if the "goals in the shootout don't count, statistically".

my $.02

you got a shutout in the past for an 0-0 tie :huh:

Guyute

11-02-2005, 09:25 AM

true. :) so a shutout = a win, or a 0-0 tie.

but in a game that ends 1-0, how could you realistically give the goalie who lost a shutout?

corylav

11-02-2005, 09:28 AM

I agree ... it's like a pitcher in baseball getting a no-hitter but losing. A quirk of statistics, but seems like that's how it'd end up.

Turbulence

11-02-2005, 09:29 AM

how could you realistically give the goalie who lost a shutout?
I think the difference is in the shootout...just as shootout goals don't count in a skater's stats, so too are shootout goals allowed omitted from a goalie's stats. They're two seperate stats...and I think if a goalie shuts the team out during regulation/OT, he's accomplished something different than shutting 3 skaters out in target-practice-that-counts.
But I can see your point, for sure.

IceSaber

11-02-2005, 10:19 AM

Well, let's go with the baseball thing - forgive me because I am not a huge baseball nut... if a full game is played - tied 0-0 at the bottom of the ninth and they go into extra innings...and one teams pitcher walks 4 batters to give the other team a run. Is that considered a no hitter?

e2ipiand1

11-02-2005, 10:44 AM

In the case of a 0-0 tie at the end of overtime, both teams are awarded a team shutout, but neither Goalie gets awarded a shutout.

According to NHL rules, a Goalie is only awarded a shutout if his team wins in regulation or the overtime.

StormChaserBH

11-02-2005, 11:14 AM

Well, let's go with the baseball thing - forgive me because I am not a huge baseball nut... if a full game is played - tied 0-0 at the bottom of the ninth and they go into extra innings...and one teams pitcher walks 4 batters to give the other team a run. Is that considered a no hitter?

Not quite the same thing since extra innings are counted in statistics. Baseball has no equivalent to a "shootout" situation. But yes, pitchers can get a loss and a no-hitter in the same game. Houston's Ken Johnson did it in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hitter

puck_it

11-02-2005, 04:51 PM

i was gonna say it was '54... damn ten years off

cmw00

11-02-2005, 05:01 PM

In the case of a 0-0 tie at the end of overtime, both teams are awarded a team shutout, but neither Goalie gets awarded a shutout.

According to NHL rules, a Goalie is only awarded a shutout if his team wins in regulation or the overtime.

Where does it say this at?

Jay

11-02-2005, 06:11 PM

In the case of a 0-0 tie at the end of overtime, both teams are awarded a team shutout, but neither Goalie gets awarded a shutout.

According to NHL rules, a Goalie is only awarded a shutout if his team wins in regulation or the overtime.

Where does it say this at?

On the Canes' site, for one. (I can't remember where)

Fernando da Silva

11-02-2005, 06:12 PM

At least the goals scored in shootouts are not counted in goals rankings...

tommy

11-02-2005, 06:17 PM

If there ever is a 0-0 game going into a shootout, forget the goalie stats, every offensive player should have one point taken off of their stats for being so damn pathetic. :smoke: :p

cmw00

11-02-2005, 08:25 PM

If there ever is a 0-0 game going into a shootout, forget the goalie stats, every offensive player should have one point taken off of their stats for being so damn pathetic. :smoke: :p

Yeah I agree in the "new nhl" if that happens take away some offensive points for both teams.

cmw00

11-09-2005, 08:47 AM

Well here is the most definitive thing I've found:
Ok stats fans this is the scoop, and I have to tell you that our man in Bellingham Washington, Gene, is correct. Both tenders get the shut-out. This info provided to me by our crack staff at NHL control. So you all can sleep a bit better tonight.

Thanks again for the question,

Sincerely,

Lonnie Cameron
NHL Linesman

caniac369

11-09-2005, 02:59 PM

Both tenders get the shut-out.

That makes some sense, but then again it doesn't. Like the third collum for an overtime loss for a team (9-2-1), maybe there should be a "shoot out" loss aside from a regulation or overtime loss for the goalies (forgive me if there already is, me being the "unsophisticated" hockey fan that most of you know me to be). :D