Draft pick discussion (wheels76)

[wheels76]

nordgren has been next to worthless. besides staal, have the canes ever groomed any top six (or 1st round picks) into anything besides trade bait?
kurka
tanabe - traded to phoenix
defauw - less than 10 NHL games
tselios - never cracked an NHL game yet
lysak - 2 NHL games
bayda - showed potential on a terrible 03 team
heerema - drafted before tanguay, desrochers, gagne, scott gomez OUCH!
knyazev - WHO?
ziggy - jury is still out, nearly 25, it's time to show something
c.ward - jury is still out. should be a good one for years to come.
richmond - if any trade is to happen, teams will want him = trade bait
ladd- hopefully a piece of the future.
johnson - same as ladd.

and as long as whitney is on the power play, i dont care who else is out there, we score. tverdosky needs to show me something for his 2.5mil salary or i'll a bag of practice pucks for him.
and just because a guy can make slapshots in practice means nothing come game time. that comment makes no sense.

lets remember that stall, ladd and johnson were can't misses. anyone of us could have drafted those guys.

[Alicia]

And remember, the above is strictly your opinion...not everyone here shares it.

[Guyute]

oh good. boards have been a little slow lately. this should do it....

[wheels76]

granted it is my opinion....but i think the facts clearly speak for themselves. i am as big as fan as anyone on this board.....i just tend to rate our players by their talent level/salary as opposed to how cute they are which seems to be the norm.

i hope nordgren proves me wrong and scores a ton this season. he skates fast and hard. but i think he is having trouble adjusting to the NHL. again, just my opinion.

i enjoy talking hockey as much as the next. sometimes my opinions may come across as a little brash, but i think i back them up well.

[IceSaber]

and just because a guy can make slapshots in practice means nothing come game time. that comment makes no sense.


I beg to differ. If you've ever been to one of their practices - you see these guys translate the skills all the time. After all, I think that's the point of practice.

Read back through the practice reports by SoCal and her comments about Ziggy playing around after one practice before a game taking a wicked angle shot over and over and saying the goalie - can't remember now who cause I'm a little too ticked to look it back up - would get that one and then BANG! - that night - guess who scored...and how! The same shot he had been practicing that day. Coincidence?

If you watch - Commodore doesn't seem to TAKE that shot during a game - yet he nails them during practice. My comment was intended to say he SHOULD be taking them. He should be as potent, if not more so, than Kaberle.

[IceSaber]

oh good. boards have been a little slow lately. this should do it....

:laugh: :beatup:

[Guyute]

i just tend to rate our players by their talent level/salary as opposed to how cute they are which seems to be the norm.


if you wish to continue to be allowed to speak your opinion, I'd tread VERY lightly. As someone who first laced up over 25 years ago... I can assure you, the "norm" is nothing of the sort. Very much the opposite.

Again, tread lightly. brash is one thing. that bit above was completely another and isn't going to be tolerated.

[Alicia]

i just tend to rate our players by their talent level/salary as opposed to how cute they are which seems to be the norm.


No, I think this is gonna do it, Guyute...

[Guyute]

hmm, you'd think I have a rep around here or something. :lol:

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Oh this is gonna be fun.

nordgren has been next to worthless. besides staal, have the canes ever groomed any top six (or 1st round picks) into anything besides trade bait?
kurka
tanabe - traded to phoenix
defauw - less than 10 NHL games
tselios - never cracked an NHL game yet
lysak - 2 NHL games
bayda - showed potential on a terrible 03 team
heerema - drafted before tanguay, desrochers, gagne, scott gomez OUCH!
knyazev - WHO?
ziggy - jury is still out, nearly 25, it's time to show something
c.ward - jury is still out. should be a good one for years to come.
richmond - if any trade is to happen, teams will want him = trade bait
ladd- hopefully a piece of the future.
johnson - same as ladd.


You name 13 players there. What you fail to realize is only 7 of them were actually drafted in the first round.


lets remember that stall, ladd and johnson were can't misses. anyone of us could have drafted those guys.

Yep, any one of us probably could draft some great talent with a pick in the top 10 of damn near every draft....it get's a little harder from there on out. NONE of the other players you list were drafted top 10. None of them.

And I let it go in the first post, but what does Craig Adams' time on the PK have to do with his +/-? That's a comment that makes no sense.

And if you think Nik Nordgren is cute you got problems. :laugh:

[wheels76]

and just because a guy can make slapshots in practice means nothing come game time. that comment makes no sense.


I beg to differ. If you've ever been to one of their practices - you see these guys translate the skills all the time. After all, I think that's the point of practice.

Read back through the practice reports by SoCal and her comments about Ziggy playing around after one practice before a game taking a wicked angle shot over and over and saying the goalie - can't remember now who cause I'm a little too ticked to look it back up - would get that one and then BANG! - that night - guess who scored...and how! The same shot he had been practicing that day. Coincidence?


If you watch - Commodore doesn't seem to TAKE that shot during a game - yet he nails them during practice. My comment was intended to say he SHOULD be taking them. He should be as potent, if not more so, than Kaberle.


great, so now all we have to do is get the guys shoot the same shots in the games as the ones in practice and all our woes are solved!
btw, does this mean staal has been practicing sliding into the net on breakaways and lifting shots over goalies while lying on his back. :eek2:
oh and that was ziggy's only goal of the season, did he not practice before the other 18 games?

[Alicia]

It wasn't even Ziggy, it was Whitney.

[nccanes]

Wow - this is quite the turn in discussion.

Somehow us fans are supposed to defend the Canes 1st round draft choices? What for? The results speak for themselves. Some good, some not.

I will say that most times I've heard it discussed, beyond the top few choices each year, it's hardly a consensus as to whom will be the sure thing.

I will point out that some of our choices in later rounds have done okay - Cole and Vasicek.

And you are right, Whitney makes the PP incredibly good. As it should be - he's clearly the most handsome guy on the team.

[Alicia]

Wow - this is quite the turn in discussion.

Somehow us fans are supposed to defend the Canes 1st round draft choices? What for? The results speak for themselves. Some good, some not.

I will say that most times I've heard it discussed, beyond the top few choices each year, it's hardly a consensus as to whom will be the sure thing.

I will point out that some of our choices in later rounds have done okay - Cole and Vasicek.

And you are right, Whitney makes the PP incredibly good. As it should be - he's clearly the most handsome guy on the team.

Clearly. :laugh:

[SouthernHockeyChick]

And you are right, Whitney makes the PP incredibly good. As it should be - he's clearly the most handsome guy on the team.

But he wasn't drafted until the 2nd round! Clearly, something is amiss.

[wheels76]

And I let it go in the first post, but what does Craig Adams' time on the PK have to do with his +/-. That's a comment that makes no sense.

if you dont understand, i'm sorry. why do you think k.adams and williams have a negative +/-??? when you spend alot of time on the ice when your team has 3-4 and the other team has 5, your +/- is going to suffer. make sense now?
wow....


and tread lightly? wtf does that mean? you all need to relax.
and yes some of those were second round picks but they were all the first ones we picked. and the bottom line is they are all pretty much worthless at this point. i do understand that below the first 10 picks the talent dropoff is considerable. things didnt go our for about 5 years.

[nccanes]

if you dont understand, i'm sorry. why do you think k.adams and williams have a negative +/-??? when you spend alot of time on the ice when your team has 3-4 and the other team has 5, your +/- is going to suffer. make sense now?
wow....



Goals against scored while you are on a PK do not count on your +/-.

Wow yourself.

[tommy]

And I let it go in the first post, but what does Craig Adams' time on the PK have to do with his +/-. That's a comment that makes no sense.

if you dont understand, i'm sorry. why do you think k.adams and williams have a negative +/-??? when you spend alot of time on the ice when your team has 3-4 and the other team has 5, your +/- is going to suffer. make sense now?
wow...

hey dumbass,

your +/- is unchanged when you're on the PK. thats why she was asking.

wow...

we don't need to relax, you need to leave...

[SouthernHockeyChick]

hey dumbass,

your +/- is unchanged when you're on the PK. thats why she was asking.

wow...

Thank you.

[Guyute]

Since I'm bored, and I don't have to go home yet... I'm not tossing you out on your ear. it's entertaining for now.

it won't be long though, don't worry my sweet.

[wheels76]

Wow - this is quite the turn in discussion.

Somehow us fans are supposed to defend the Canes 1st round draft choices? What for? The results speak for themselves. Some good, some not.

I will say that most times I've heard it discussed, beyond the top few choices each year, it's hardly a consensus as to whom will be the sure thing.

I will point out that some of our choices in later rounds have done okay - Cole and Vasicek.

And you are right, Whitney makes the PP incredibly good. As it should be - he's clearly the most handsome guy on the team.

hahaha....i can respect that.

[wheels76]

hahahahahahaha finally!

tommy, you ruined my fun for the day. there was at least 5 posts after that comment though.
i'll let the dumbass comment slide.......this time.

[tommy]

btw, my lottery numbers were way off today... what was I thinking when I picked them??? jeez...

[IceSaber]

It wasn't even Ziggy, it was Whitney.
Damn, you're right - I associated the story with a Rec Zone practice I watched (Ziggy was practicing that shot the day I remember). Takes away the great point illustration, but I still stand by the idea - you practice to execute during games.

They do practice, breakaways, shotouts, etc. and yes, the idea of practice is to gain muscle memory to do things without thinking/what you've practiced, during a game. I'd wager that Staal has 'practiced' shots like that alot in pick-up games over his lifetime with his brothers ( I think of the 14-17 year olds I see at pick up games and stick and pucks messing around with the goalies) as well as from coaching, etc. (NOT taking away from his natural abilities that no one would argue with)
Quote from the practice thread in October:
coach spent part of that conversation postioning Staal and telling him what 'appeared' to me, to keep moving- He had Staal mock skating in breakaway fashion, Laviolette had his stick on him, then moved toward him as if to hold him up- and then I heard him say "I like that move to get loose- let's keep that in mind all the time" and Staal was nodding.

Second. I may be mistaken, but although Ziggy has only scored one goal this season, didn't he score more goals in Lowell than Staal last year and lead the team (LockMonsters) in points in the playoffs? I could be mistaken, but I think that shows excellent potential.

[wheels76]

my gig is done for the day.....here's to a win tonight and a c.adams hat trick!!!
that's 2 goals and an assist. right tommy?

[SouthernHockeyChick]

but they were all the first ones we picked.

No, that's not true either. If you want to argue we had a few years of no so great luck with our late picks in the late 90s/early 00s you probably could but you really should try to get your facts straight before you start.

[IceSaber]

nccanes wrote:

And you are right, Whitney makes the PP incredibly good. As it should be - he's clearly the most handsome guy on the team.


But he wasn't drafted until the 2nd round! Clearly, something is amiss.

First, you all make me laugh/giggle...

then I read the remainder of the posts...

I'm a little slow on the uptake at times, but did someone send in a troll to liven things up?

[SouthernHockeyChick]

btw, my lottery numbers were way off today... what was I thinking when I picked them??? jeez...

That's brilliant, BTW. :laugh:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Can I play too?

I love how "people" say Staal, Johnson, and Ladd were no brainer, can't miss picks. Funny, both Pittsburgh and Florida had a chance to pick Staal. Florida traded the first overall pick to the Pens after they won the lottery. Then Pittsburgh picked the "next Roy", Fleury. Seems to me that's two teams who passed on the "can't miss" pick before we picked him. Jack Johnson has yet to play an NHL game, so maybe we should reserve judgement before we say how how he is a can't miss. Would say the same for Ladd. But there are several "can't miss" draft picks over the years who indeed did miss, and miss bigtime.

As poorly as some think the Canes have drafted over the years, there are teams that have done worse. Like pass on Dany Heatley like the Islanders did. At least Rutherford didn't pass over Staal, he could have. Others did. If you are going to criticize the bad picks, you have to give credit for the good picks, or the ones they at least don't screw up.

[SoCalcaniac]

Like, WOW. :laugh: I missed all the fun so I'll leave it at that.

CHL- you're right on with your post.

And I agree with E- the PP looks really good with Whitney on it cause he's sooooo good lookin' ;) .

[wheels76]

Can I play too?

I love how "people" say Staal, Johnson, and Ladd were no brainer, can't miss picks. Funny, both Pittsburgh and Florida had a chance to pick Staal. Florida traded the first overall pick to the Pens after they won the lottery. Then Pittsburgh picked the "next Roy", Fleury. Seems to me that's two teams who passed on the "can't miss" pick before we picked him. Jack Johnson has yet to play an NHL game, so maybe we should reserve judgement before we say how how he is a can't miss. Would say the same for Ladd. But there are several "can't miss" draft picks over the years who indeed did miss, and miss bigtime.

As poorly as some think the Canes have drafted over the years, there are teams that have done worse. Like pass on Dany Heatley like the Islanders did. At least Rutherford didn't pass over Staal, he could have. Others did. If you are going to criticize the bad picks, you have to give credit for the good picks, or the ones they at least don't screw up.

true......very good point. however, i still think fluery will be a great player.

[wheels76]

but they were all the first ones we picked.

No, that's not true either. If you want to argue we had a few years of no so great luck with our late picks in the late 90s/early 00s you probably could but you really should try to get your facts straight before you start.

SHC please name what pick i missed starting after tselios in 97?
where did i skip out first pick(s) at?
PLEASE tell me what facts i am missing.....maybe you need to check your facts.

[corylav]

What's confusing, wheels, is that you assume you have to be a first-round pick to be a top-six forward. Simply not true.

Oh, and as for can't-miss VERY early picks, we should all point to one Pavel Brendl.

[nccanes]

but they were all the first ones we picked.

No, that's not true either. If you want to argue we had a few years of no so great luck with our late picks in the late 90s/early 00s you probably could but you really should try to get your facts straight before you start.

SHC please name what pick i missed starting after tselios in 97?
where did i skip out first pick(s) at?
PLEASE tell me what facts i am missing.....maybe you need to check your facts.

Well, I'm bored too, so I just picked 1 name to double check.

Ryan Bayda. Third Round Pick, 2nd overall pick for the Canes.

Here's an easy one. Richmond. 2nd round and 2nd pick for the Canes in '02.


So either you haven't checked your facts, or your ability to communicate what you mean is sorely lacking.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

SHC please name what pick i missed starting after tselios in 97?
where did i skip out first pick(s) at?
PLEASE tell me what facts i am missing.....maybe you need to check your facts.

You said even though some of those listed were second round, those were "all the first ones we picked" which, to me, meant they were our first pick in that draft. That's not true. DeFauw, Lysak, Bayda, none of them were our first picks.

Maybe you meant the first ones "we" as in this franchise after they moved to NC picked? I think we have a language issue because above you seem to say you were trying to list all our picks? Since moving to NC? That's not how I took what you originally said.

EDIT: Good, I'm not the only one who thought he meant we tooks those guys with our first pick.

[corylav]

The other confusing part is, if you look thru the recent drafts, there aren't many great NHL guys after the guys we picked. In 2000 we picked Kurka in the early second ... the best forward, going by career NHL stats, taken after him in the draft, is prolly Ramzi Abid, with 23 points in 49 games. That was at No. 85 overall. At No. 97, we picked Nic Wallin, who has more points (and lots more games) than Abid.

The draft's really a crap shoot.

[tommy]

my gig is done for the day.....here's to a win tonight and a c.adams hat trick!!!
that's 2 goals and an assist. right tommy?

A hat trick would be 2 goals and you not talking to me.

[Alicia]

my gig is done for the day.....here's to a win tonight and a c.adams hat trick!!!
that's 2 goals and an assist. right tommy?

A hat trick would be 2 goals and you not talking to me.

:laugh: :evil:

[puck_it]

i cant believe i missed this thread... I LOVE THESE!

i wonder if wheels wants to know the definition of a game winning goal too :laugh:

[tommy]

i wonder if wheels wants to know the definition of a game winning goal too :laugh:

:eek2:

Lord, anything but that...

[StormShaman]

Aww, now I'm disappointed--you all piled on a troll and didn't tell me so I could join the fun!

[goalie33]

I was going to write out an elaborate farce starring Alexandre Daigle, but it's not worth it the brain cells.

[tommy]

I was going to write out an elaborate farce starring Alexandre Daigle, but it's not worth it the brain cells.

a) Very good point (Daigle)
b) please write it anyway because your brilliance most surely would blind us all :beatup: :p

[goalie33]

I have to go get some dinner before I *gasp* SKATE.

I might try later, but I've been schooling it up all day and my brain hurts.

[puck_it]

I have to go get some dinner before I *gasp* GET SCHOOLED.

I might try later, but I've been schooling it up all day and my brain hurts.

i fixed that

[wheels76]

Aww, now I'm disappointed--you all piled on a troll and didn't tell me so I could join the fun! oh geez, now i've got a trekkie jumping in. bean me up dork....

and SHC sorry i didn't spell out first picks meant as in the first picks of each draft. but thanks for the correction. what else do you have to do with over 7000+ posts in not quite three years.

nccanes, said richmond looked promising and bayda had a good year in 03 when given the chance. but i see you have nothing else to do but look at stats with SHC all day.

wow, this is fun. anyone on here actually work?

[ONeillsNo1Fan]

Aww, now I'm disappointed--you all piled on a troll and didn't tell me so I could join the fun! oh geez, now i've got a trekkie jumping in. bean me up dork....

Are you serious?

Shoo. Just shoo.

We get some real winners around here, don't we? :beatup:

[Alicia]

Hurts when the females can work full-time and manage to remain more well informed than you, huh?

[StormShaman]

Aww, now I'm disappointed--you all piled on a troll and didn't tell me so I could join the fun! oh geez, now i've got a trekkie jumping in. bean me up dork....

Actually, I'm more of a Babylon 5 fan than a Star Trek fan--but thanks for playing and I'll be glad to bean you upside your head.

You come on here with arguments that are weak at best. You get disagreed with (and have it pointed out that you're flat-out wrong in a couple instances) by the womenfolk--and the best comeback you can come up with is some idiotic and completely baseless "Trekkie" smack and:

wow, this is fun. anyone on here actually work?

Wow--if that's not confirmation that you're just here to troll the board, I don't know what is.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Hurts when the females can work full-time and manage to remain more well informed than you, huh?

We do multi-task well around here, don't we? :D

I'd have known those weren't all our first picks in each draft (several are from the SAME draft year, doofus) without the free time I had today. Doesn't take a stats genius to figure out that all those guys around the same age couldn't have all been drafted different years. Plus, you know, 13 guys in, what, 9 years and all. I guess it's easier to count when you're judging hockey talent based on looks....what else would I do wif my wittle brain?

[apolinar]

My best chuckle of the day! At least I waited til 7pm when I finished work to check out this thread. So I've got a job :laugh: When is someone gonna question manhood again cause that's when I really have fun. Tommy is wheels you in disguise? :D

[Guyute]

I came home expecting something else. this has gotten even MORE amusing then it was when I was at work. :laugh:

oh wait, I must not work. not sure what that was then. hmm. bizarre.

thanks for the laughs though... the "bean" me up is priceless. roflmao.
that alone makes me glad I let this roll instead of pulling the trigger on another shortbusser. :D

play on

ps- i wonder if wheels wants to know the definition of a game winning goal too :laugh:

hahahaha. thanks for that. I still have some of those PMs. I like reading that drivel now and then. :D

[wheels76]

Hurts when the females can work full-time and manage to remain more well informed than you, huh?

"you want fries with that" isnt exactly work......
but hey, you are definitely more informed than me!

SHC bet you get to 8000 for anyone else.

[StormShaman]

Hurts when the females can work full-time and manage to remain more well informed than you, huh?

"you want fries with that" isnt exactly work......

I'll be sure to remind you of that the next time I walk up to the window at Cook-Out.

And give me ranch sauce with my fries next time, kid.

[Alicia]

but hey, you are definitely more informed than me!

Most accurate thing you've posted yet!

[nccanes]

nccanes, said richmond looked promising and bayda had a good year in 03 when given the chance. but i see you have nothing else to do but look at stats with SHC all day.

wow, this is fun. anyone on here actually work?

No we're all independently wealthy.

Actually, I looked up the Bayda thing because I wanted to be sure. The Richmond one I just knew - and actually wrote a typo on the draft year though (it was 03 not 02), thought about that while I was cooking dinner, there's that multi-tasking again.:lol:

But alas, you've missed the whole point. You laundry-listed a bunch of players, for what reason I'm STILL not clear on, but you didn't even support the (unknown) point because what you said wasn't true.

If there's one thing this board will do, is ask you for clarification, or shoot down supporting "facts" when they are totally false. So now that we have, you start the insults. Classic.

Okay - now I need to go rest up for the late game. With Whitney and Tverdovsky back in the lineup, the CQ (that's Cute Quotient) has gone up, which means we're sure to play well.

[Alicia]

*facepalm*

[Guyute]

yeah, the mess we've had here today is one thing... it's remained at least about hockey. you want to start taking jabs at members and use this as a place to do nothing other than spam insults... well, then your time is up.

[VandyCane]

Wow guys, this thread has certainly made the wait for the game a lot more entertaining! And E, I do love the CQ--I've got to keep that one in my daily vocabulary. :evil:

Hopefully when the game is done (or maybe tomorrow morning) we can talk about how the last game was just a bad dream! :beatup:

Now back to our previously scheduled thread....
:laugh: :laugh:

[tommy]

what else do you have to do with over 7000+ posts in not quite three years.

no offense dude (actually, i mean an incredible amount of offense whenever i talk to you) but if you posted as many times a day as you have today, you'd have almost 9000 posts in 2 years.

how can you blame her anyway? i commend her for posting a lot here. some people, like SHC, and like myself, actually have interests. we love the hurricanes and talk about them a lot, whereas you enjoy stirring up ****.

[puck_it]

i love this board :D

[Alicia]

wheeeeeee!!! :p

[talkingcanes]

This is just a delightful thread. With JCAHO roaming around this week, work is the priority (hate it when that happens ;) ), but this is a fun one. Thanks to all who contributed. Very good medicine for a stressful week :laugh:

[puck_it]

and SHC sorry i didn't spell out first picks meant as in the first picks of each draft. but thanks for the correction. what else do you have to do with over 7000+ posts in not quite three years.

No, but her 7000+ and not being axed says a lot more than your 17 posts with a guillotine (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=guillotine) hanging over your head.

I took the liberty to link the word "guillotine" to a site with a definition; since you seem to have minimal cranial capacity, and might need a little help. We tend to be a helpful group of people :)

[wheels76]

i have to admit, this has been quite some entertainment.

glad all of you have thick skin (snicker)...hate to see what happens if someone really said something off the wall.
i have no intentions of posting regularly so you dont have to start multyplying my posts......haha

seriously, if you think this was anything but fun for me, you are all sadly mistaken. i simply state and show the canes first pick(s) for the most part have been a bust, then all hell breaks loose. lol. all of a sudden i get grammar lessons, and all sorts of fun stuff.
bottomline, take the FIRST TWO picks from 97-02 and they suck.
glad i sent you all into "research and defend mode" though. also enjoyed the huge disclaimers on lottery and the draft being a crap shoot. i guess JR could just use a dart board with names next time.

anyhow, i got some good laughs. you guys have fun. maybe i can stop by every once in a while for entertainment. you ladies have fun and don't get too excited.......i'm just wish the rest of the bums that sit around me at the RBC got this excited.

[puck_it]

:sad: im disappointed, i expected something a little more fun.

[Alicia]

i have no intentions of posting regularly so you dont have to start multyplying my posts......

Thanks for the warning.

Tommy, you're too funny! :laugh:

[Guyute]

i have no intentions of posting regularly

got one thing right at least. http://www.tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/thumb.gif

[wheels76]

one last post friends and neighbors....
per a PM sent to me, i realize i might have hurt some feelings. if so, i am sorry. for real here......i thought everything said was fun ribbing back and forth. my bad......

tommy, i dont even need to explain what you should do with your avatar.
that is ridiculous.

[wheels76]

oh, and if you want me to call you a douchebag to your face, look for my red shoes (trust me, they stand out) at the next hurricanes game. i'd be happy to.

classy, i assure you i will look my hardest. give me a hint....level 1, 2 or 3?

[Guyute]

both of you, knock it off. if you feel the need to talk trash at each other and setup a meeting, do it in PMs.

Then do it at 67W so I can be a part. :D

[tommy]

both of you, knock it off. if you feel the need to talk trash at each other and setup a meeting, do it in PMs.

Then do it at 67W so I can be a part. :D

He seriously wanted a piece of me! Hahaha!

(wheels, I own no red shoes; I have no idea where that came from... but have fun trying to find me and beat me up!!!)

[SouthernHockeyChick]

SHC bet you get to 8000 for anyone else.

Nah, it'll be just for me.

Maybe you meant before anyone else? (not a "grammar" lesson, just making sure I'm understanding you) Well, that is the plan. That's just what being an over-achiever does to you. :D


And, dammit, tommy, there are really people who wear red shoes to the games!!! :laugh:

[Guyute]

OK- I am putting this topic back, split from the original.... And, sans some of the worthless garbage. I think the rest is amusing enough to leave though... so I took the time to clean it up and separate it.

[StormShaman]

maybe i can stop by every once in a while for entertainment.

Somehow, I do not think so.

[corylav]

I'm disappointed ... my comments were never dressed down by wheels' great hockey logic :roll:

[nccanes]

I was going to point that out earlier, because I did notice. But I suppose it's because you haven't thrown in any remarks about cuteness. ;)

[puck_it]

both of you, knock it off. if you feel the need to talk trash at each other and setup a meeting, do it in PMs.

Then do it at 67W so I can be a part. :D

He seriously wanted a piece of me! Hahaha!

(wheels, I own no red shoes; I have no idea where that came from... but have fun trying to find me and beat me up!!!)

hes gonna try to beat up chuck the chest :p

[apolinar]

Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them Trollers movin' Rawhide!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just rope and throw and grab 'em,
Soon we'll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart's calculatin'
My true love will be waitin',
be waiting at the end of my ride.

Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em out,
Move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide!
Set 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in Rawhide.


tRollin', trollin', trollin'
tRollin', trollin', trollin'
tRollin', trollin', trollin'
tRollin', trollin', trollin'
Rawhide!

tRollin', trollin', trollin'
Though the streams are swollen
Keep them dogies trollin'
Rawhide!
Rain and wind and weather
Hell-bent for leather
Wishin' my gal was by my side.
All the things I'm missin',
Good vittles, love, and kissin',
Are waiting at the end of my ride

CHORUS
Move 'em on, head 'em up
Head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em on, head 'em up
Rawhide
Count 'em out, ride 'em in,
Ride 'em in, count 'em out,
Count 'em out, ride 'em in
Rawhide!

Keep movin', movin', movin'
Though they're disapprovin'
Keep them Trollers movin!
Rawhide!
Don't try to understand 'em
Just rope, throw, and brand 'em
Soon we'll be living high and wide.
My hearts calculatin'
My true love will be waitin',
Be waitin' at the end of my ride.

Rawhide!
Rawhide!