USA vs. Latvia - Spoilers - 3pm 2/15 USA Network

[The Moose]

Stop "guessing" what happened that season. You were NOT in the locker room, so all you have is speculation, and whatever the N&O chose to tell the fans. Did you ever TALK to Archie or any of the players about what happened? Did anyone on this board?

There is SO MUCH MORE to that story than the public knows, or ever will. Unless you were there, you have no idea about what really caused the falling out with the team (and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.

And if you don't believe what I say, I really don't care.

I'm betting this will get blown off or pooh-poohed, but here goes.....

There was some major-league drama on the team during the Year From Hell. Archie had driven everyone up the wall with his excusemaking at the start of the season, and when he made his "play me or trade me" statement in the Latvian press it pretty much turned the whole locker room against him (something that was made painfully obvious by the team's staunch refusal to show up whenever he was in goal--except for the Detroit game).

When Archie came back shortly after Chairman Mo was removed from power, Lavi more than likely got the whole team together before Archie's first practice back and told them to patch up their differences (because the team showed up for the guy after his short-lived return)--but you can't convince me that there aren't some lingering hard feelings on one side or the other (perhaps on both sides, who knows).

That is what I am talking about.

[SoCalcaniac]

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[SoCalcaniac]

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[SoCalcaniac]

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[SoCalcaniac]

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[SoCalcaniac]

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[SoCalcaniac]

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[SoCalcaniac]

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[sparkyzsportz]

Absolutely routing for the USA here, but was, have been, and will always be an Irbe fan. Glad to see he was able to put together a strong game. I did not get to see the game, but hope the USA can get it together. IRBE IRBE IRBE Love it! IRBE SAID NO!

[sparkyzsportz]

Absolutely routing for the USA here, but was, have been, and will always be an Irbe fan. Glad to see he was able to put together a strong game. I did not get to see the game, but hope the USA can get it together. IRBE IRBE IRBE Love it! IRBE SAID NO!

[sparkyzsportz]

Absolutely routing for the USA here, but was, have been, and will always be an Irbe fan. Glad to see he was able to put together a strong game. I did not get to see the game, but hope the USA can get it together. IRBE IRBE IRBE Love it! IRBE SAID NO!

[sparkyzsportz]

Absolutely routing for the USA here, but was, have been, and will always be an Irbe fan. Glad to see he was able to put together a strong game. I did not get to see the game, but hope the USA can get it together. IRBE IRBE IRBE Love it! IRBE SAID NO!

[sparkyzsportz]

Absolutely routing for the USA here, but was, have been, and will always be an Irbe fan. Glad to see he was able to put together a strong game. I did not get to see the game, but hope the USA can get it together. IRBE IRBE IRBE Love it! IRBE SAID NO!

[sparkyzsportz]

Absolutely routing for the USA here, but was, have been, and will always be an Irbe fan. Glad to see he was able to put together a strong game. I did not get to see the game, but hope the USA can get it together. IRBE IRBE IRBE Love it! IRBE SAID NO!

[sparkyzsportz]

Absolutely routing for the USA here, but was, have been, and will always be an Irbe fan. Glad to see he was able to put together a strong game. I did not get to see the game, but hope the USA can get it together. IRBE IRBE IRBE Love it! IRBE SAID NO!

[The Moose]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[The Moose]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[The Moose]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[The Moose]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[The Moose]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[The Moose]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[The Moose]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

Please, why on earth are we STILL talking about THIS????

Build a bridge somebody- anybody; this is old news, and frankly, it's tired news.

[mikus]

Just wondering... Who are you that you know about all this? Working for the Canes somehow?

[mikus]

Just wondering... Who are you that you know about all this? Working for the Canes somehow?

[mikus]

Just wondering... Who are you that you know about all this? Working for the Canes somehow?

[mikus]

Just wondering... Who are you that you know about all this? Working for the Canes somehow?

[mikus]

Just wondering... Who are you that you know about all this? Working for the Canes somehow?

[mikus]

Just wondering... Who are you that you know about all this? Working for the Canes somehow?

[mikus]

Just wondering... Who are you that you know about all this? Working for the Canes somehow?

[tommy]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

ANYWAY, I heard that same conversation about Zholtok, and I can't believe I didn't even realize what I posted. I just posted it because I thought it was cool. Wow. They really might have him behind them somehow.

[tommy]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

ANYWAY, I heard that same conversation about Zholtok, and I can't believe I didn't even realize what I posted. I just posted it because I thought it was cool. Wow. They really might have him behind them somehow.

[tommy]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

ANYWAY, I heard that same conversation about Zholtok, and I can't believe I didn't even realize what I posted. I just posted it because I thought it was cool. Wow. They really might have him behind them somehow.

[tommy]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

ANYWAY, I heard that same conversation about Zholtok, and I can't believe I didn't even realize what I posted. I just posted it because I thought it was cool. Wow. They really might have him behind them somehow.

[tommy]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

ANYWAY, I heard that same conversation about Zholtok, and I can't believe I didn't even realize what I posted. I just posted it because I thought it was cool. Wow. They really might have him behind them somehow.

[tommy]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

ANYWAY, I heard that same conversation about Zholtok, and I can't believe I didn't even realize what I posted. I just posted it because I thought it was cool. Wow. They really might have him behind them somehow.

[tommy]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

ANYWAY, I heard that same conversation about Zholtok, and I can't believe I didn't even realize what I posted. I just posted it because I thought it was cool. Wow. They really might have him behind them somehow.

[StormShaman]

Stop "guessing" what happened that season.

How about NO.

We're fans. Guessing is what we do. Deal with it.

[StormShaman]

Stop "guessing" what happened that season.

How about NO.

We're fans. Guessing is what we do. Deal with it.

[StormShaman]

Stop "guessing" what happened that season.

How about NO.

We're fans. Guessing is what we do. Deal with it.

[StormShaman]

Stop "guessing" what happened that season.

How about NO.

We're fans. Guessing is what we do. Deal with it.

[StormShaman]

Stop "guessing" what happened that season.

How about NO.

We're fans. Guessing is what we do. Deal with it.

[StormShaman]

Stop "guessing" what happened that season.

How about NO.

We're fans. Guessing is what we do. Deal with it.

[StormShaman]

Stop "guessing" what happened that season.

How about NO.

We're fans. Guessing is what we do. Deal with it.

[Guyute]

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[Guyute]

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[Guyute]

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[Guyute]

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[Guyute]

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[Guyute]

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[Guyute]

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[StormShaman]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

QFT

[StormShaman]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

QFT

[StormShaman]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

QFT

[StormShaman]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

QFT

[StormShaman]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

QFT

[StormShaman]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

QFT

[StormShaman]

Hey, I didn't bring it up. I just hate it when people talk about things they don't know anything about.

I hate it when people react so indignantly when others speculate. Take away speculative posts and probably a third of all posts on this website don't exist. You probably could have even made a decent point, but your tone is way too harsh.

QFT

[The Moose]

Ooooooooooo.....guess what? I'll post in here if I feel like :D


From: StormShaman
To: The Moose
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Greetings.
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't reply to any more of my posts, since apparently you don't like speculation and can't be bothered to be polite when expressing such dislike.

Good day.

[The Moose]

Ooooooooooo.....guess what? I'll post in here if I feel like :D


From: StormShaman
To: The Moose
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Greetings.
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't reply to any more of my posts, since apparently you don't like speculation and can't be bothered to be polite when expressing such dislike.

Good day.

[The Moose]

Ooooooooooo.....guess what? I'll post in here if I feel like :D


From: StormShaman
To: The Moose
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Greetings.
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't reply to any more of my posts, since apparently you don't like speculation and can't be bothered to be polite when expressing such dislike.

Good day.

[The Moose]

Ooooooooooo.....guess what? I'll post in here if I feel like :D


From: StormShaman
To: The Moose
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Greetings.
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't reply to any more of my posts, since apparently you don't like speculation and can't be bothered to be polite when expressing such dislike.

Good day.

[The Moose]

Ooooooooooo.....guess what? I'll post in here if I feel like :D


From: StormShaman
To: The Moose
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Greetings.
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't reply to any more of my posts, since apparently you don't like speculation and can't be bothered to be polite when expressing such dislike.

Good day.

[The Moose]

Ooooooooooo.....guess what? I'll post in here if I feel like :D


From: StormShaman
To: The Moose
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Greetings.
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't reply to any more of my posts, since apparently you don't like speculation and can't be bothered to be polite when expressing such dislike.

Good day.

[The Moose]

Ooooooooooo.....guess what? I'll post in here if I feel like :D


From: StormShaman
To: The Moose
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Greetings.
I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't reply to any more of my posts, since apparently you don't like speculation and can't be bothered to be polite when expressing such dislike.

Good day.

[Guyute]

Not if you're going to be an ass you won't.

and you can bet me on that.

[Guyute]

Not if you're going to be an ass you won't.

and you can bet me on that.

[Guyute]

Not if you're going to be an ass you won't.

and you can bet me on that.

[Guyute]

Not if you're going to be an ass you won't.

and you can bet me on that.

[Guyute]

Not if you're going to be an ass you won't.

and you can bet me on that.

[Guyute]

Not if you're going to be an ass you won't.

and you can bet me on that.

[Guyute]

Not if you're going to be an ass you won't.

and you can bet me on that.

[The Moose]

Soooo.... did someone pee in your corn flakes this morning. You're pretty bitter, eh? Guess I would be to if I were you!

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[The Moose]

Soooo.... did someone pee in your corn flakes this morning. You're pretty bitter, eh? Guess I would be to if I were you!

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[The Moose]

Soooo.... did someone pee in your corn flakes this morning. You're pretty bitter, eh? Guess I would be to if I were you!

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[The Moose]

Soooo.... did someone pee in your corn flakes this morning. You're pretty bitter, eh? Guess I would be to if I were you!

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[The Moose]

Soooo.... did someone pee in your corn flakes this morning. You're pretty bitter, eh? Guess I would be to if I were you!

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[The Moose]

Soooo.... did someone pee in your corn flakes this morning. You're pretty bitter, eh? Guess I would be to if I were you!

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[The Moose]

Soooo.... did someone pee in your corn flakes this morning. You're pretty bitter, eh? Guess I would be to if I were you!

(and yes, I do know what really happened). And before anyone says it, NO, I am not telling the story. I have no reason to. I've promised certain people in the organization that I wouldn't talk about the internal affairs that went on, and I have to stick to that.


Ya know, the whole "I know what happened but I'm not telling" crap is SO tiresome.

I really don't care who you are, who you know, what part you had, etc....
don't come around with a post like that just to try and "prove" that you know more than someone else, yet play the "I swore an oath of secrecy to the organization" crap. the holier-than-thou attitude is something I can not stand. I won't sit and watch it be played as part of a pissing contest.

next time just keep the entire post to yourself please. thanks.

[The Moose]

Wayne? Is that you? I thought you were supposed to be in Italy? You should be placing any more bets with me. You might get in trouble.

~ #22

and you can bet me on that.[/quote]

[The Moose]

Wayne? Is that you? I thought you were supposed to be in Italy? You should be placing any more bets with me. You might get in trouble.

~ #22

and you can bet me on that.[/quote]

[The Moose]

Wayne? Is that you? I thought you were supposed to be in Italy? You should be placing any more bets with me. You might get in trouble.

~ #22

and you can bet me on that.[/quote]

[The Moose]

Wayne? Is that you? I thought you were supposed to be in Italy? You should be placing any more bets with me. You might get in trouble.

~ #22

and you can bet me on that.[/quote]

[The Moose]

Wayne? Is that you? I thought you were supposed to be in Italy? You should be placing any more bets with me. You might get in trouble.

~ #22

and you can bet me on that.[/quote]

[The Moose]

Wayne? Is that you? I thought you were supposed to be in Italy? You should be placing any more bets with me. You might get in trouble.

~ #22

and you can bet me on that.[/quote]

[The Moose]

Wayne? Is that you? I thought you were supposed to be in Italy? You should be placing any more bets with me. You might get in trouble.

~ #22

and you can bet me on that.[/quote]

[Guyute]

Hope everyone was able to say goodbye before his rank was changed.

let this be a note to other toolbags. if you're asked to change your behavior, do it. if you continue to be an ass to our members, and particularly to mods/admins, say goodby quickly.

[Guyute]

Hope everyone was able to say goodbye before his rank was changed.

let this be a note to other toolbags. if you're asked to change your behavior, do it. if you continue to be an ass to our members, and particularly to mods/admins, say goodby quickly.

[Guyute]

Hope everyone was able to say goodbye before his rank was changed.

let this be a note to other toolbags. if you're asked to change your behavior, do it. if you continue to be an ass to our members, and particularly to mods/admins, say goodby quickly.

[Guyute]

Hope everyone was able to say goodbye before his rank was changed.

let this be a note to other toolbags. if you're asked to change your behavior, do it. if you continue to be an ass to our members, and particularly to mods/admins, say goodby quickly.

[Guyute]

Hope everyone was able to say goodbye before his rank was changed.

let this be a note to other toolbags. if you're asked to change your behavior, do it. if you continue to be an ass to our members, and particularly to mods/admins, say goodby quickly.

[Guyute]

Hope everyone was able to say goodbye before his rank was changed.

let this be a note to other toolbags. if you're asked to change your behavior, do it. if you continue to be an ass to our members, and particularly to mods/admins, say goodby quickly.

[Guyute]

Hope everyone was able to say goodbye before his rank was changed.

let this be a note to other toolbags. if you're asked to change your behavior, do it. if you continue to be an ass to our members, and particularly to mods/admins, say goodby quickly.

[SoCalcaniac]

:laugh:

Thank you GUY. ;)

[SoCalcaniac]

:laugh:

Thank you GUY. ;)

[SoCalcaniac]

:laugh:

Thank you GUY. ;)

[SoCalcaniac]

:laugh:

Thank you GUY. ;)

[SoCalcaniac]

:laugh:

Thank you GUY. ;)

[SoCalcaniac]

:laugh:

Thank you GUY. ;)

[SoCalcaniac]

:laugh:

Thank you GUY. ;)

[tommy]

And Guyute layeth down the smacketh!

And no, fortunately, I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. Probably a good thing.

[tommy]

And Guyute layeth down the smacketh!

And no, fortunately, I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. Probably a good thing.

[tommy]

And Guyute layeth down the smacketh!

And no, fortunately, I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. Probably a good thing.

[tommy]

And Guyute layeth down the smacketh!

And no, fortunately, I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. Probably a good thing.

[tommy]

And Guyute layeth down the smacketh!

And no, fortunately, I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. Probably a good thing.

[tommy]

And Guyute layeth down the smacketh!

And no, fortunately, I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. Probably a good thing.

[tommy]

And Guyute layeth down the smacketh!

And no, fortunately, I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. Probably a good thing.

[crazy4canes]

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/yelclap.gif

Guyute - Super Mod.

Cya Moose. http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/cute_smileys/banned.gif

[crazy4canes]

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/yelclap.gif

Guyute - Super Mod.

Cya Moose. http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/cute_smileys/banned.gif

[crazy4canes]

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/yelclap.gif

Guyute - Super Mod.

Cya Moose. http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/cute_smileys/banned.gif

[crazy4canes]

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/yelclap.gif

Guyute - Super Mod.

Cya Moose. http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/cute_smileys/banned.gif

[crazy4canes]

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/yelclap.gif

Guyute - Super Mod.

Cya Moose. http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/cute_smileys/banned.gif

[crazy4canes]

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/yelclap.gif

Guyute - Super Mod.

Cya Moose. http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/cute_smileys/banned.gif

[crazy4canes]

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/yelclap.gif

Guyute - Super Mod.

Cya Moose. http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/cute_smileys/banned.gif

[Guyute]

ahhhh, thankyou crazy. I misplaced my banned avatar, and we lost that thread of good smilies in the mod forum long ago.
:beer:

[Guyute]

ahhhh, thankyou crazy. I misplaced my banned avatar, and we lost that thread of good smilies in the mod forum long ago.
:beer:

[Guyute]

ahhhh, thankyou crazy. I misplaced my banned avatar, and we lost that thread of good smilies in the mod forum long ago.
:beer:

[Guyute]

ahhhh, thankyou crazy. I misplaced my banned avatar, and we lost that thread of good smilies in the mod forum long ago.
:beer:

[Guyute]

ahhhh, thankyou crazy. I misplaced my banned avatar, and we lost that thread of good smilies in the mod forum long ago.
:beer:

[Guyute]

ahhhh, thankyou crazy. I misplaced my banned avatar, and we lost that thread of good smilies in the mod forum long ago.
:beer:

[Guyute]

ahhhh, thankyou crazy. I misplaced my banned avatar, and we lost that thread of good smilies in the mod forum long ago.
:beer:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Damn, Moose got his butt booted before I had a chance to brag to him about my claim to fame!

It just so happens that I know who really shot Kennedy, but I've sworn a vow of secrecy to the CIA... :cool:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Damn, Moose got his butt booted before I had a chance to brag to him about my claim to fame!

It just so happens that I know who really shot Kennedy, but I've sworn a vow of secrecy to the CIA... :cool:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Damn, Moose got his butt booted before I had a chance to brag to him about my claim to fame!

It just so happens that I know who really shot Kennedy, but I've sworn a vow of secrecy to the CIA... :cool:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Damn, Moose got his butt booted before I had a chance to brag to him about my claim to fame!

It just so happens that I know who really shot Kennedy, but I've sworn a vow of secrecy to the CIA... :cool:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Damn, Moose got his butt booted before I had a chance to brag to him about my claim to fame!

It just so happens that I know who really shot Kennedy, but I've sworn a vow of secrecy to the CIA... :cool:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Damn, Moose got his butt booted before I had a chance to brag to him about my claim to fame!

It just so happens that I know who really shot Kennedy, but I've sworn a vow of secrecy to the CIA... :cool:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Damn, Moose got his butt booted before I had a chance to brag to him about my claim to fame!

It just so happens that I know who really shot Kennedy, but I've sworn a vow of secrecy to the CIA... :cool:

[Canesluver]

Awwwwe... I didn't get to say goodbye! (I'm in Dallas on business... and late to the party!)

Hey Moose? ya still lurking? Take this:

http://tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/moon.gif

[Canesluver]

Awwwwe... I didn't get to say goodbye! (I'm in Dallas on business... and late to the party!)

Hey Moose? ya still lurking? Take this:

http://tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/moon.gif

[Canesluver]

Awwwwe... I didn't get to say goodbye! (I'm in Dallas on business... and late to the party!)

Hey Moose? ya still lurking? Take this:

http://tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/moon.gif

[Canesluver]

Awwwwe... I didn't get to say goodbye! (I'm in Dallas on business... and late to the party!)

Hey Moose? ya still lurking? Take this:

http://tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/moon.gif

[Canesluver]

Awwwwe... I didn't get to say goodbye! (I'm in Dallas on business... and late to the party!)

Hey Moose? ya still lurking? Take this:

http://tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/moon.gif

[Canesluver]

Awwwwe... I didn't get to say goodbye! (I'm in Dallas on business... and late to the party!)

Hey Moose? ya still lurking? Take this:

http://tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/moon.gif

[Canesluver]

Awwwwe... I didn't get to say goodbye! (I'm in Dallas on business... and late to the party!)

Hey Moose? ya still lurking? Take this:

http://tridead.net/canes/images/smilies/moon.gif

[IceSaber]

I missed it, too. I kinda enjoyed it the day that one person came in a trashed the females on the board and Guy stood back and let the girls smack him down. But that person - bleech. I don't like mean people. Thank you for banning.

[IceSaber]

I missed it, too. I kinda enjoyed it the day that one person came in a trashed the females on the board and Guy stood back and let the girls smack him down. But that person - bleech. I don't like mean people. Thank you for banning.

[IceSaber]

I missed it, too. I kinda enjoyed it the day that one person came in a trashed the females on the board and Guy stood back and let the girls smack him down. But that person - bleech. I don't like mean people. Thank you for banning.

[IceSaber]

I missed it, too. I kinda enjoyed it the day that one person came in a trashed the females on the board and Guy stood back and let the girls smack him down. But that person - bleech. I don't like mean people. Thank you for banning.

[IceSaber]

I missed it, too. I kinda enjoyed it the day that one person came in a trashed the females on the board and Guy stood back and let the girls smack him down. But that person - bleech. I don't like mean people. Thank you for banning.

[IceSaber]

I missed it, too. I kinda enjoyed it the day that one person came in a trashed the females on the board and Guy stood back and let the girls smack him down. But that person - bleech. I don't like mean people. Thank you for banning.

[IceSaber]

I missed it, too. I kinda enjoyed it the day that one person came in a trashed the females on the board and Guy stood back and let the girls smack him down. But that person - bleech. I don't like mean people. Thank you for banning.

[Alicia]

Hmm...

Time to pull plug on pros

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports | February 16, 2006


TURIN, Italy – After Latvia and the United States tied in men's hockey Wednesday, after the passionate Latvian fans waved flags and danced in the aisles, after the vast majority of remote controls in the U.S. tuned into American Idol, Arturs Irbe summed up the entire thing.

"You can say that this probably means more to us than to the American team," the former NHL and current Latvian goalie said.

Don't stop there, Arturs. It isn't just the American team that may not care all that much about its performance here at the Winter Olympics. It's all of America itself.

Every day, it seems tougher to be a hockey fan. Every day brings another reminder of how far the sport has slipped, how unlikely it is to ever capture imaginations again.

This isn't simply about a weak effort against the Latvians. This is about how another of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's marketing experiments is failing, how another winter seems lost, how not even the Olympic Games can excite anyone.

Maybe I'm missing it, being way over here, but is there any substantial number of people talking hockey back in the States? Is there? On TV? On radio? In corner bars?

With a full 23-man roster of NHL players, the U.S. has much better talent than Latvia (which has two), but it lacks the element of team. This isn't the fault of the players or coaches, who we believe are trying their best.

It's this silly system. Back in 1998, Bettman and all his suits at the NHL rubbed their MBAs together and decided it would be genius to shut the league down for two and a half weeks every four years and let the pros play.

Unless a drop in the sport's U.S. popularity was the goal, it hasn't worked. Our silver medal in Salt Lake did so much good for the NHL it was out of business three seasons later. It will do less, if possible, this time.

I love hockey. I have loved it my entire life. I would love to have an Olympic team to get excited about, but this isn't it. This never will be it. Thank goodness for the U.S. women.

Here is what this bizarre concept did for USA hockey. With the NHL playing on Sunday, the team couldn't gather for the flight to Italy until Monday. They arrived Tuesday, got a grand total of one, single-hour practice and, just like that, played on Wednesday.

U.S. coach Peter Laviolette wanted to spend time on the trans-Atlantic flight going over game plans but the players were so exhausted that he had to scrap that.

"I feel that all I (can) do it put in short-term plans," Laviolette shrugged.

Gee, and you wonder why Latvia, which has a real team that has been together for months, forming bonds, working on timing, learning to trust each other, wanted this more. How couldn't they?

Team USA isn't a national team. It isn't even a team. It is just a collection of guys. This is not something that should be representing our country. This isn't the best we can send here.

This is just a weak promotional effort by Bettman, the worst sports marketer of all-time and the worst thing to ever happen to hockey, the only commissioner to kill an entire season of a major pro league. This is a professional all-star team that the USOC allows to wrap itself in the flag, and use the Olympics for the national TV exposure the NHL no longer earns on its own.

The result is a team that isn't all that endearing, despite being full of good guys. Who wants to hear that our millionaire pros are underdogs to make the medal round?

The gutsy move for the U. S. Olympic Committee would be to unilaterally withdraw from the NHL's meddling and make our national hockey team a real team, put together with training camps and players bonding for months. We'll send college kids, minor leaguers, old guys and the best of the rest, even if no one else will. Canada and the others can do what works best for them.

But we won't let Gary Bettman ruin this level of the game too.

Of course, it might get ugly. Of course, we might lose. College guys and journeymen pros can't compete against NHL all-stars. Right?

You know, like Latvia. Like 1980.

[Alicia]

Hmm...

Time to pull plug on pros

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports | February 16, 2006


TURIN, Italy – After Latvia and the United States tied in men's hockey Wednesday, after the passionate Latvian fans waved flags and danced in the aisles, after the vast majority of remote controls in the U.S. tuned into American Idol, Arturs Irbe summed up the entire thing.

"You can say that this probably means more to us than to the American team," the former NHL and current Latvian goalie said.

Don't stop there, Arturs. It isn't just the American team that may not care all that much about its performance here at the Winter Olympics. It's all of America itself.

Every day, it seems tougher to be a hockey fan. Every day brings another reminder of how far the sport has slipped, how unlikely it is to ever capture imaginations again.

This isn't simply about a weak effort against the Latvians. This is about how another of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's marketing experiments is failing, how another winter seems lost, how not even the Olympic Games can excite anyone.

Maybe I'm missing it, being way over here, but is there any substantial number of people talking hockey back in the States? Is there? On TV? On radio? In corner bars?

With a full 23-man roster of NHL players, the U.S. has much better talent than Latvia (which has two), but it lacks the element of team. This isn't the fault of the players or coaches, who we believe are trying their best.

It's this silly system. Back in 1998, Bettman and all his suits at the NHL rubbed their MBAs together and decided it would be genius to shut the league down for two and a half weeks every four years and let the pros play.

Unless a drop in the sport's U.S. popularity was the goal, it hasn't worked. Our silver medal in Salt Lake did so much good for the NHL it was out of business three seasons later. It will do less, if possible, this time.

I love hockey. I have loved it my entire life. I would love to have an Olympic team to get excited about, but this isn't it. This never will be it. Thank goodness for the U.S. women.

Here is what this bizarre concept did for USA hockey. With the NHL playing on Sunday, the team couldn't gather for the flight to Italy until Monday. They arrived Tuesday, got a grand total of one, single-hour practice and, just like that, played on Wednesday.

U.S. coach Peter Laviolette wanted to spend time on the trans-Atlantic flight going over game plans but the players were so exhausted that he had to scrap that.

"I feel that all I (can) do it put in short-term plans," Laviolette shrugged.

Gee, and you wonder why Latvia, which has a real team that has been together for months, forming bonds, working on timing, learning to trust each other, wanted this more. How couldn't they?

Team USA isn't a national team. It isn't even a team. It is just a collection of guys. This is not something that should be representing our country. This isn't the best we can send here.

This is just a weak promotional effort by Bettman, the worst sports marketer of all-time and the worst thing to ever happen to hockey, the only commissioner to kill an entire season of a major pro league. This is a professional all-star team that the USOC allows to wrap itself in the flag, and use the Olympics for the national TV exposure the NHL no longer earns on its own.

The result is a team that isn't all that endearing, despite being full of good guys. Who wants to hear that our millionaire pros are underdogs to make the medal round?

The gutsy move for the U. S. Olympic Committee would be to unilaterally withdraw from the NHL's meddling and make our national hockey team a real team, put together with training camps and players bonding for months. We'll send college kids, minor leaguers, old guys and the best of the rest, even if no one else will. Canada and the others can do what works best for them.

But we won't let Gary Bettman ruin this level of the game too.

Of course, it might get ugly. Of course, we might lose. College guys and journeymen pros can't compete against NHL all-stars. Right?

You know, like Latvia. Like 1980.

[Alicia]

Hmm...

Time to pull plug on pros

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports | February 16, 2006


TURIN, Italy – After Latvia and the United States tied in men's hockey Wednesday, after the passionate Latvian fans waved flags and danced in the aisles, after the vast majority of remote controls in the U.S. tuned into American Idol, Arturs Irbe summed up the entire thing.

"You can say that this probably means more to us than to the American team," the former NHL and current Latvian goalie said.

Don't stop there, Arturs. It isn't just the American team that may not care all that much about its performance here at the Winter Olympics. It's all of America itself.

Every day, it seems tougher to be a hockey fan. Every day brings another reminder of how far the sport has slipped, how unlikely it is to ever capture imaginations again.

This isn't simply about a weak effort against the Latvians. This is about how another of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's marketing experiments is failing, how another winter seems lost, how not even the Olympic Games can excite anyone.

Maybe I'm missing it, being way over here, but is there any substantial number of people talking hockey back in the States? Is there? On TV? On radio? In corner bars?

With a full 23-man roster of NHL players, the U.S. has much better talent than Latvia (which has two), but it lacks the element of team. This isn't the fault of the players or coaches, who we believe are trying their best.

It's this silly system. Back in 1998, Bettman and all his suits at the NHL rubbed their MBAs together and decided it would be genius to shut the league down for two and a half weeks every four years and let the pros play.

Unless a drop in the sport's U.S. popularity was the goal, it hasn't worked. Our silver medal in Salt Lake did so much good for the NHL it was out of business three seasons later. It will do less, if possible, this time.

I love hockey. I have loved it my entire life. I would love to have an Olympic team to get excited about, but this isn't it. This never will be it. Thank goodness for the U.S. women.

Here is what this bizarre concept did for USA hockey. With the NHL playing on Sunday, the team couldn't gather for the flight to Italy until Monday. They arrived Tuesday, got a grand total of one, single-hour practice and, just like that, played on Wednesday.

U.S. coach Peter Laviolette wanted to spend time on the trans-Atlantic flight going over game plans but the players were so exhausted that he had to scrap that.

"I feel that all I (can) do it put in short-term plans," Laviolette shrugged.

Gee, and you wonder why Latvia, which has a real team that has been together for months, forming bonds, working on timing, learning to trust each other, wanted this more. How couldn't they?

Team USA isn't a national team. It isn't even a team. It is just a collection of guys. This is not something that should be representing our country. This isn't the best we can send here.

This is just a weak promotional effort by Bettman, the worst sports marketer of all-time and the worst thing to ever happen to hockey, the only commissioner to kill an entire season of a major pro league. This is a professional all-star team that the USOC allows to wrap itself in the flag, and use the Olympics for the national TV exposure the NHL no longer earns on its own.

The result is a team that isn't all that endearing, despite being full of good guys. Who wants to hear that our millionaire pros are underdogs to make the medal round?

The gutsy move for the U. S. Olympic Committee would be to unilaterally withdraw from the NHL's meddling and make our national hockey team a real team, put together with training camps and players bonding for months. We'll send college kids, minor leaguers, old guys and the best of the rest, even if no one else will. Canada and the others can do what works best for them.

But we won't let Gary Bettman ruin this level of the game too.

Of course, it might get ugly. Of course, we might lose. College guys and journeymen pros can't compete against NHL all-stars. Right?

You know, like Latvia. Like 1980.

[Alicia]

Hmm...

Time to pull plug on pros

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports | February 16, 2006


TURIN, Italy – After Latvia and the United States tied in men's hockey Wednesday, after the passionate Latvian fans waved flags and danced in the aisles, after the vast majority of remote controls in the U.S. tuned into American Idol, Arturs Irbe summed up the entire thing.

"You can say that this probably means more to us than to the American team," the former NHL and current Latvian goalie said.

Don't stop there, Arturs. It isn't just the American team that may not care all that much about its performance here at the Winter Olympics. It's all of America itself.

Every day, it seems tougher to be a hockey fan. Every day brings another reminder of how far the sport has slipped, how unlikely it is to ever capture imaginations again.

This isn't simply about a weak effort against the Latvians. This is about how another of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's marketing experiments is failing, how another winter seems lost, how not even the Olympic Games can excite anyone.

Maybe I'm missing it, being way over here, but is there any substantial number of people talking hockey back in the States? Is there? On TV? On radio? In corner bars?

With a full 23-man roster of NHL players, the U.S. has much better talent than Latvia (which has two), but it lacks the element of team. This isn't the fault of the players or coaches, who we believe are trying their best.

It's this silly system. Back in 1998, Bettman and all his suits at the NHL rubbed their MBAs together and decided it would be genius to shut the league down for two and a half weeks every four years and let the pros play.

Unless a drop in the sport's U.S. popularity was the goal, it hasn't worked. Our silver medal in Salt Lake did so much good for the NHL it was out of business three seasons later. It will do less, if possible, this time.

I love hockey. I have loved it my entire life. I would love to have an Olympic team to get excited about, but this isn't it. This never will be it. Thank goodness for the U.S. women.

Here is what this bizarre concept did for USA hockey. With the NHL playing on Sunday, the team couldn't gather for the flight to Italy until Monday. They arrived Tuesday, got a grand total of one, single-hour practice and, just like that, played on Wednesday.

U.S. coach Peter Laviolette wanted to spend time on the trans-Atlantic flight going over game plans but the players were so exhausted that he had to scrap that.

"I feel that all I (can) do it put in short-term plans," Laviolette shrugged.

Gee, and you wonder why Latvia, which has a real team that has been together for months, forming bonds, working on timing, learning to trust each other, wanted this more. How couldn't they?

Team USA isn't a national team. It isn't even a team. It is just a collection of guys. This is not something that should be representing our country. This isn't the best we can send here.

This is just a weak promotional effort by Bettman, the worst sports marketer of all-time and the worst thing to ever happen to hockey, the only commissioner to kill an entire season of a major pro league. This is a professional all-star team that the USOC allows to wrap itself in the flag, and use the Olympics for the national TV exposure the NHL no longer earns on its own.

The result is a team that isn't all that endearing, despite being full of good guys. Who wants to hear that our millionaire pros are underdogs to make the medal round?

The gutsy move for the U. S. Olympic Committee would be to unilaterally withdraw from the NHL's meddling and make our national hockey team a real team, put together with training camps and players bonding for months. We'll send college kids, minor leaguers, old guys and the best of the rest, even if no one else will. Canada and the others can do what works best for them.

But we won't let Gary Bettman ruin this level of the game too.

Of course, it might get ugly. Of course, we might lose. College guys and journeymen pros can't compete against NHL all-stars. Right?

You know, like Latvia. Like 1980.

[Alicia]

Hmm...

Time to pull plug on pros

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports | February 16, 2006


TURIN, Italy – After Latvia and the United States tied in men's hockey Wednesday, after the passionate Latvian fans waved flags and danced in the aisles, after the vast majority of remote controls in the U.S. tuned into American Idol, Arturs Irbe summed up the entire thing.

"You can say that this probably means more to us than to the American team," the former NHL and current Latvian goalie said.

Don't stop there, Arturs. It isn't just the American team that may not care all that much about its performance here at the Winter Olympics. It's all of America itself.

Every day, it seems tougher to be a hockey fan. Every day brings another reminder of how far the sport has slipped, how unlikely it is to ever capture imaginations again.

This isn't simply about a weak effort against the Latvians. This is about how another of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's marketing experiments is failing, how another winter seems lost, how not even the Olympic Games can excite anyone.

Maybe I'm missing it, being way over here, but is there any substantial number of people talking hockey back in the States? Is there? On TV? On radio? In corner bars?

With a full 23-man roster of NHL players, the U.S. has much better talent than Latvia (which has two), but it lacks the element of team. This isn't the fault of the players or coaches, who we believe are trying their best.

It's this silly system. Back in 1998, Bettman and all his suits at the NHL rubbed their MBAs together and decided it would be genius to shut the league down for two and a half weeks every four years and let the pros play.

Unless a drop in the sport's U.S. popularity was the goal, it hasn't worked. Our silver medal in Salt Lake did so much good for the NHL it was out of business three seasons later. It will do less, if possible, this time.

I love hockey. I have loved it my entire life. I would love to have an Olympic team to get excited about, but this isn't it. This never will be it. Thank goodness for the U.S. women.

Here is what this bizarre concept did for USA hockey. With the NHL playing on Sunday, the team couldn't gather for the flight to Italy until Monday. They arrived Tuesday, got a grand total of one, single-hour practice and, just like that, played on Wednesday.

U.S. coach Peter Laviolette wanted to spend time on the trans-Atlantic flight going over game plans but the players were so exhausted that he had to scrap that.

"I feel that all I (can) do it put in short-term plans," Laviolette shrugged.

Gee, and you wonder why Latvia, which has a real team that has been together for months, forming bonds, working on timing, learning to trust each other, wanted this more. How couldn't they?

Team USA isn't a national team. It isn't even a team. It is just a collection of guys. This is not something that should be representing our country. This isn't the best we can send here.

This is just a weak promotional effort by Bettman, the worst sports marketer of all-time and the worst thing to ever happen to hockey, the only commissioner to kill an entire season of a major pro league. This is a professional all-star team that the USOC allows to wrap itself in the flag, and use the Olympics for the national TV exposure the NHL no longer earns on its own.

The result is a team that isn't all that endearing, despite being full of good guys. Who wants to hear that our millionaire pros are underdogs to make the medal round?

The gutsy move for the U. S. Olympic Committee would be to unilaterally withdraw from the NHL's meddling and make our national hockey team a real team, put together with training camps and players bonding for months. We'll send college kids, minor leaguers, old guys and the best of the rest, even if no one else will. Canada and the others can do what works best for them.

But we won't let Gary Bettman ruin this level of the game too.

Of course, it might get ugly. Of course, we might lose. College guys and journeymen pros can't compete against NHL all-stars. Right?

You know, like Latvia. Like 1980.

[Alicia]

Hmm...

Time to pull plug on pros

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports | February 16, 2006


TURIN, Italy – After Latvia and the United States tied in men's hockey Wednesday, after the passionate Latvian fans waved flags and danced in the aisles, after the vast majority of remote controls in the U.S. tuned into American Idol, Arturs Irbe summed up the entire thing.

"You can say that this probably means more to us than to the American team," the former NHL and current Latvian goalie said.

Don't stop there, Arturs. It isn't just the American team that may not care all that much about its performance here at the Winter Olympics. It's all of America itself.

Every day, it seems tougher to be a hockey fan. Every day brings another reminder of how far the sport has slipped, how unlikely it is to ever capture imaginations again.

This isn't simply about a weak effort against the Latvians. This is about how another of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's marketing experiments is failing, how another winter seems lost, how not even the Olympic Games can excite anyone.

Maybe I'm missing it, being way over here, but is there any substantial number of people talking hockey back in the States? Is there? On TV? On radio? In corner bars?

With a full 23-man roster of NHL players, the U.S. has much better talent than Latvia (which has two), but it lacks the element of team. This isn't the fault of the players or coaches, who we believe are trying their best.

It's this silly system. Back in 1998, Bettman and all his suits at the NHL rubbed their MBAs together and decided it would be genius to shut the league down for two and a half weeks every four years and let the pros play.

Unless a drop in the sport's U.S. popularity was the goal, it hasn't worked. Our silver medal in Salt Lake did so much good for the NHL it was out of business three seasons later. It will do less, if possible, this time.

I love hockey. I have loved it my entire life. I would love to have an Olympic team to get excited about, but this isn't it. This never will be it. Thank goodness for the U.S. women.

Here is what this bizarre concept did for USA hockey. With the NHL playing on Sunday, the team couldn't gather for the flight to Italy until Monday. They arrived Tuesday, got a grand total of one, single-hour practice and, just like that, played on Wednesday.

U.S. coach Peter Laviolette wanted to spend time on the trans-Atlantic flight going over game plans but the players were so exhausted that he had to scrap that.

"I feel that all I (can) do it put in short-term plans," Laviolette shrugged.

Gee, and you wonder why Latvia, which has a real team that has been together for months, forming bonds, working on timing, learning to trust each other, wanted this more. How couldn't they?

Team USA isn't a national team. It isn't even a team. It is just a collection of guys. This is not something that should be representing our country. This isn't the best we can send here.

This is just a weak promotional effort by Bettman, the worst sports marketer of all-time and the worst thing to ever happen to hockey, the only commissioner to kill an entire season of a major pro league. This is a professional all-star team that the USOC allows to wrap itself in the flag, and use the Olympics for the national TV exposure the NHL no longer earns on its own.

The result is a team that isn't all that endearing, despite being full of good guys. Who wants to hear that our millionaire pros are underdogs to make the medal round?

The gutsy move for the U. S. Olympic Committee would be to unilaterally withdraw from the NHL's meddling and make our national hockey team a real team, put together with training camps and players bonding for months. We'll send college kids, minor leaguers, old guys and the best of the rest, even if no one else will. Canada and the others can do what works best for them.

But we won't let Gary Bettman ruin this level of the game too.

Of course, it might get ugly. Of course, we might lose. College guys and journeymen pros can't compete against NHL all-stars. Right?

You know, like Latvia. Like 1980.

[Alicia]

Hmm...

Time to pull plug on pros

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports | February 16, 2006


TURIN, Italy – After Latvia and the United States tied in men's hockey Wednesday, after the passionate Latvian fans waved flags and danced in the aisles, after the vast majority of remote controls in the U.S. tuned into American Idol, Arturs Irbe summed up the entire thing.

"You can say that this probably means more to us than to the American team," the former NHL and current Latvian goalie said.

Don't stop there, Arturs. It isn't just the American team that may not care all that much about its performance here at the Winter Olympics. It's all of America itself.

Every day, it seems tougher to be a hockey fan. Every day brings another reminder of how far the sport has slipped, how unlikely it is to ever capture imaginations again.

This isn't simply about a weak effort against the Latvians. This is about how another of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's marketing experiments is failing, how another winter seems lost, how not even the Olympic Games can excite anyone.

Maybe I'm missing it, being way over here, but is there any substantial number of people talking hockey back in the States? Is there? On TV? On radio? In corner bars?

With a full 23-man roster of NHL players, the U.S. has much better talent than Latvia (which has two), but it lacks the element of team. This isn't the fault of the players or coaches, who we believe are trying their best.

It's this silly system. Back in 1998, Bettman and all his suits at the NHL rubbed their MBAs together and decided it would be genius to shut the league down for two and a half weeks every four years and let the pros play.

Unless a drop in the sport's U.S. popularity was the goal, it hasn't worked. Our silver medal in Salt Lake did so much good for the NHL it was out of business three seasons later. It will do less, if possible, this time.

I love hockey. I have loved it my entire life. I would love to have an Olympic team to get excited about, but this isn't it. This never will be it. Thank goodness for the U.S. women.

Here is what this bizarre concept did for USA hockey. With the NHL playing on Sunday, the team couldn't gather for the flight to Italy until Monday. They arrived Tuesday, got a grand total of one, single-hour practice and, just like that, played on Wednesday.

U.S. coach Peter Laviolette wanted to spend time on the trans-Atlantic flight going over game plans but the players were so exhausted that he had to scrap that.

"I feel that all I (can) do it put in short-term plans," Laviolette shrugged.

Gee, and you wonder why Latvia, which has a real team that has been together for months, forming bonds, working on timing, learning to trust each other, wanted this more. How couldn't they?

Team USA isn't a national team. It isn't even a team. It is just a collection of guys. This is not something that should be representing our country. This isn't the best we can send here.

This is just a weak promotional effort by Bettman, the worst sports marketer of all-time and the worst thing to ever happen to hockey, the only commissioner to kill an entire season of a major pro league. This is a professional all-star team that the USOC allows to wrap itself in the flag, and use the Olympics for the national TV exposure the NHL no longer earns on its own.

The result is a team that isn't all that endearing, despite being full of good guys. Who wants to hear that our millionaire pros are underdogs to make the medal round?

The gutsy move for the U. S. Olympic Committee would be to unilaterally withdraw from the NHL's meddling and make our national hockey team a real team, put together with training camps and players bonding for months. We'll send college kids, minor leaguers, old guys and the best of the rest, even if no one else will. Canada and the others can do what works best for them.

But we won't let Gary Bettman ruin this level of the game too.

Of course, it might get ugly. Of course, we might lose. College guys and journeymen pros can't compete against NHL all-stars. Right?

You know, like Latvia. Like 1980.

[Guyute]

actually a very good article for the most part, invho.

I've Always been a huge fan of letting kids play. the olympics should not be for allstars. that's what a frikkin allstar game is for.
the olympics Should have a "national team". that's not what we have.
we have an allstar group of guys who is expected to play as a Team. good luck.

NHL Live was talking about how much of a momentum killer this is to the NHL... to be having a great season going, then shut it down for almost 3 weeks. can't argue that.

[Guyute]

actually a very good article for the most part, invho.

I've Always been a huge fan of letting kids play. the olympics should not be for allstars. that's what a frikkin allstar game is for.
the olympics Should have a "national team". that's not what we have.
we have an allstar group of guys who is expected to play as a Team. good luck.

NHL Live was talking about how much of a momentum killer this is to the NHL... to be having a great season going, then shut it down for almost 3 weeks. can't argue that.

[Guyute]

actually a very good article for the most part, invho.

I've Always been a huge fan of letting kids play. the olympics should not be for allstars. that's what a frikkin allstar game is for.
the olympics Should have a "national team". that's not what we have.
we have an allstar group of guys who is expected to play as a Team. good luck.

NHL Live was talking about how much of a momentum killer this is to the NHL... to be having a great season going, then shut it down for almost 3 weeks. can't argue that.

[Guyute]

actually a very good article for the most part, invho.

I've Always been a huge fan of letting kids play. the olympics should not be for allstars. that's what a frikkin allstar game is for.
the olympics Should have a "national team". that's not what we have.
we have an allstar group of guys who is expected to play as a Team. good luck.

NHL Live was talking about how much of a momentum killer this is to the NHL... to be having a great season going, then shut it down for almost 3 weeks. can't argue that.

[Guyute]

actually a very good article for the most part, invho.

I've Always been a huge fan of letting kids play. the olympics should not be for allstars. that's what a frikkin allstar game is for.
the olympics Should have a "national team". that's not what we have.
we have an allstar group of guys who is expected to play as a Team. good luck.

NHL Live was talking about how much of a momentum killer this is to the NHL... to be having a great season going, then shut it down for almost 3 weeks. can't argue that.

[Guyute]

actually a very good article for the most part, invho.

I've Always been a huge fan of letting kids play. the olympics should not be for allstars. that's what a frikkin allstar game is for.
the olympics Should have a "national team". that's not what we have.
we have an allstar group of guys who is expected to play as a Team. good luck.

NHL Live was talking about how much of a momentum killer this is to the NHL... to be having a great season going, then shut it down for almost 3 weeks. can't argue that.

[Guyute]

actually a very good article for the most part, invho.

I've Always been a huge fan of letting kids play. the olympics should not be for allstars. that's what a frikkin allstar game is for.
the olympics Should have a "national team". that's not what we have.
we have an allstar group of guys who is expected to play as a Team. good luck.

NHL Live was talking about how much of a momentum killer this is to the NHL... to be having a great season going, then shut it down for almost 3 weeks. can't argue that.

[Alicia]

^^ Agreed, Guy.

[Alicia]

^^ Agreed, Guy.

[Alicia]

^^ Agreed, Guy.

[Alicia]

^^ Agreed, Guy.

[Alicia]

^^ Agreed, Guy.

[Alicia]

^^ Agreed, Guy.

[Alicia]

^^ Agreed, Guy.

[caniac369]

Well said. Bring back the youngins and up-and-comers.

Question: college players (age, skill level, etc.) only or open up to AHL, ECHL, WCHL, etc.?

BTW- I didn't go into this thread all day yesterday and was going to watch after I got home from work last night on the DVR while hubby was teaching confirmation. Turned on the TV in the kitchen to check out the weather forcast just in time to hear "and the US tied Latvia 3-3 in Men's Hockey this afternoon...". :mad:

[caniac369]

Well said. Bring back the youngins and up-and-comers.

Question: college players (age, skill level, etc.) only or open up to AHL, ECHL, WCHL, etc.?

BTW- I didn't go into this thread all day yesterday and was going to watch after I got home from work last night on the DVR while hubby was teaching confirmation. Turned on the TV in the kitchen to check out the weather forcast just in time to hear "and the US tied Latvia 3-3 in Men's Hockey this afternoon...". :mad:

[caniac369]

Well said. Bring back the youngins and up-and-comers.

Question: college players (age, skill level, etc.) only or open up to AHL, ECHL, WCHL, etc.?

BTW- I didn't go into this thread all day yesterday and was going to watch after I got home from work last night on the DVR while hubby was teaching confirmation. Turned on the TV in the kitchen to check out the weather forcast just in time to hear "and the US tied Latvia 3-3 in Men's Hockey this afternoon...". :mad:

[caniac369]

Well said. Bring back the youngins and up-and-comers.

Question: college players (age, skill level, etc.) only or open up to AHL, ECHL, WCHL, etc.?

BTW- I didn't go into this thread all day yesterday and was going to watch after I got home from work last night on the DVR while hubby was teaching confirmation. Turned on the TV in the kitchen to check out the weather forcast just in time to hear "and the US tied Latvia 3-3 in Men's Hockey this afternoon...". :mad:

[caniac369]

Well said. Bring back the youngins and up-and-comers.

Question: college players (age, skill level, etc.) only or open up to AHL, ECHL, WCHL, etc.?

BTW- I didn't go into this thread all day yesterday and was going to watch after I got home from work last night on the DVR while hubby was teaching confirmation. Turned on the TV in the kitchen to check out the weather forcast just in time to hear "and the US tied Latvia 3-3 in Men's Hockey this afternoon...". :mad:

[caniac369]

Well said. Bring back the youngins and up-and-comers.

Question: college players (age, skill level, etc.) only or open up to AHL, ECHL, WCHL, etc.?

BTW- I didn't go into this thread all day yesterday and was going to watch after I got home from work last night on the DVR while hubby was teaching confirmation. Turned on the TV in the kitchen to check out the weather forcast just in time to hear "and the US tied Latvia 3-3 in Men's Hockey this afternoon...". :mad:

[caniac369]

Well said. Bring back the youngins and up-and-comers.

Question: college players (age, skill level, etc.) only or open up to AHL, ECHL, WCHL, etc.?

BTW- I didn't go into this thread all day yesterday and was going to watch after I got home from work last night on the DVR while hubby was teaching confirmation. Turned on the TV in the kitchen to check out the weather forcast just in time to hear "and the US tied Latvia 3-3 in Men's Hockey this afternoon...". :mad:

[Cool Hand Luke]

The article brings up good points, no doubt. But is this all really Gary Bettman's fault? Did he force the Olympic committee's hand? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems to me that the Olympic Committee went to the NHL asking to use pros, and at first the NHL balked because they did not want to lose revenue for that 2 week period. The NHL has always complained about shutting down the league for 2 weeks. I doubt they would complain if the practice stopped. I remember Irbe wanted to leave early in 2002, and the League wouldn't allow him.

I still question what the solution is without all-star pros. Are major colleges going to allow their stars to take off "months" for bonding and team USA training? Where will all these players come from? Good to great players aren't just hanging around, waiting to train for free and do team bonding for months, for zero compensation. Unfortuneately this isn't 1980 anymore and even hockey is big business to some universities. For instance, I can't imagine the University of Michigan allowing JJ and other stars to take off for 2 months in the middle of hockey season for Olympic training and playing like some schools did in 1980's. Who knows, maybe they wouldn't care but hockey is very fragmented here, compared to the Europe national teams.

[Cool Hand Luke]

The article brings up good points, no doubt. But is this all really Gary Bettman's fault? Did he force the Olympic committee's hand? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems to me that the Olympic Committee went to the NHL asking to use pros, and at first the NHL balked because they did not want to lose revenue for that 2 week period. The NHL has always complained about shutting down the league for 2 weeks. I doubt they would complain if the practice stopped. I remember Irbe wanted to leave early in 2002, and the League wouldn't allow him.

I still question what the solution is without all-star pros. Are major colleges going to allow their stars to take off "months" for bonding and team USA training? Where will all these players come from? Good to great players aren't just hanging around, waiting to train for free and do team bonding for months, for zero compensation. Unfortuneately this isn't 1980 anymore and even hockey is big business to some universities. For instance, I can't imagine the University of Michigan allowing JJ and other stars to take off for 2 months in the middle of hockey season for Olympic training and playing like some schools did in 1980's. Who knows, maybe they wouldn't care but hockey is very fragmented here, compared to the Europe national teams.

[Cool Hand Luke]

The article brings up good points, no doubt. But is this all really Gary Bettman's fault? Did he force the Olympic committee's hand? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems to me that the Olympic Committee went to the NHL asking to use pros, and at first the NHL balked because they did not want to lose revenue for that 2 week period. The NHL has always complained about shutting down the league for 2 weeks. I doubt they would complain if the practice stopped. I remember Irbe wanted to leave early in 2002, and the League wouldn't allow him.

I still question what the solution is without all-star pros. Are major colleges going to allow their stars to take off "months" for bonding and team USA training? Where will all these players come from? Good to great players aren't just hanging around, waiting to train for free and do team bonding for months, for zero compensation. Unfortuneately this isn't 1980 anymore and even hockey is big business to some universities. For instance, I can't imagine the University of Michigan allowing JJ and other stars to take off for 2 months in the middle of hockey season for Olympic training and playing like some schools did in 1980's. Who knows, maybe they wouldn't care but hockey is very fragmented here, compared to the Europe national teams.

[Cool Hand Luke]

The article brings up good points, no doubt. But is this all really Gary Bettman's fault? Did he force the Olympic committee's hand? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems to me that the Olympic Committee went to the NHL asking to use pros, and at first the NHL balked because they did not want to lose revenue for that 2 week period. The NHL has always complained about shutting down the league for 2 weeks. I doubt they would complain if the practice stopped. I remember Irbe wanted to leave early in 2002, and the League wouldn't allow him.

I still question what the solution is without all-star pros. Are major colleges going to allow their stars to take off "months" for bonding and team USA training? Where will all these players come from? Good to great players aren't just hanging around, waiting to train for free and do team bonding for months, for zero compensation. Unfortuneately this isn't 1980 anymore and even hockey is big business to some universities. For instance, I can't imagine the University of Michigan allowing JJ and other stars to take off for 2 months in the middle of hockey season for Olympic training and playing like some schools did in 1980's. Who knows, maybe they wouldn't care but hockey is very fragmented here, compared to the Europe national teams.

[Cool Hand Luke]

The article brings up good points, no doubt. But is this all really Gary Bettman's fault? Did he force the Olympic committee's hand? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems to me that the Olympic Committee went to the NHL asking to use pros, and at first the NHL balked because they did not want to lose revenue for that 2 week period. The NHL has always complained about shutting down the league for 2 weeks. I doubt they would complain if the practice stopped. I remember Irbe wanted to leave early in 2002, and the League wouldn't allow him.

I still question what the solution is without all-star pros. Are major colleges going to allow their stars to take off "months" for bonding and team USA training? Where will all these players come from? Good to great players aren't just hanging around, waiting to train for free and do team bonding for months, for zero compensation. Unfortuneately this isn't 1980 anymore and even hockey is big business to some universities. For instance, I can't imagine the University of Michigan allowing JJ and other stars to take off for 2 months in the middle of hockey season for Olympic training and playing like some schools did in 1980's. Who knows, maybe they wouldn't care but hockey is very fragmented here, compared to the Europe national teams.

[Cool Hand Luke]

The article brings up good points, no doubt. But is this all really Gary Bettman's fault? Did he force the Olympic committee's hand? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems to me that the Olympic Committee went to the NHL asking to use pros, and at first the NHL balked because they did not want to lose revenue for that 2 week period. The NHL has always complained about shutting down the league for 2 weeks. I doubt they would complain if the practice stopped. I remember Irbe wanted to leave early in 2002, and the League wouldn't allow him.

I still question what the solution is without all-star pros. Are major colleges going to allow their stars to take off "months" for bonding and team USA training? Where will all these players come from? Good to great players aren't just hanging around, waiting to train for free and do team bonding for months, for zero compensation. Unfortuneately this isn't 1980 anymore and even hockey is big business to some universities. For instance, I can't imagine the University of Michigan allowing JJ and other stars to take off for 2 months in the middle of hockey season for Olympic training and playing like some schools did in 1980's. Who knows, maybe they wouldn't care but hockey is very fragmented here, compared to the Europe national teams.

[Cool Hand Luke]

The article brings up good points, no doubt. But is this all really Gary Bettman's fault? Did he force the Olympic committee's hand? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems to me that the Olympic Committee went to the NHL asking to use pros, and at first the NHL balked because they did not want to lose revenue for that 2 week period. The NHL has always complained about shutting down the league for 2 weeks. I doubt they would complain if the practice stopped. I remember Irbe wanted to leave early in 2002, and the League wouldn't allow him.

I still question what the solution is without all-star pros. Are major colleges going to allow their stars to take off "months" for bonding and team USA training? Where will all these players come from? Good to great players aren't just hanging around, waiting to train for free and do team bonding for months, for zero compensation. Unfortuneately this isn't 1980 anymore and even hockey is big business to some universities. For instance, I can't imagine the University of Michigan allowing JJ and other stars to take off for 2 months in the middle of hockey season for Olympic training and playing like some schools did in 1980's. Who knows, maybe they wouldn't care but hockey is very fragmented here, compared to the Europe national teams.

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

[puckin_A]

I kind of agree about the pro's going over there instead of a enthusiastic bunch of college kids......

there is pros and cons about it.

[puckin_A]

I kind of agree about the pro's going over there instead of a enthusiastic bunch of college kids......

there is pros and cons about it.

[puckin_A]

I kind of agree about the pro's going over there instead of a enthusiastic bunch of college kids......

there is pros and cons about it.

[puckin_A]

I kind of agree about the pro's going over there instead of a enthusiastic bunch of college kids......

there is pros and cons about it.

[puckin_A]

I kind of agree about the pro's going over there instead of a enthusiastic bunch of college kids......

there is pros and cons about it.

[puckin_A]

I kind of agree about the pro's going over there instead of a enthusiastic bunch of college kids......

there is pros and cons about it.

[puckin_A]

I kind of agree about the pro's going over there instead of a enthusiastic bunch of college kids......

there is pros and cons about it.

[Shell]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.

[Shell]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.

[Shell]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.

[Shell]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.

[Shell]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.

[Shell]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.

[Shell]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.
Sweet! :cool:
Thanks! :D

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.
Sweet! :cool:
Thanks! :D

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.
Sweet! :cool:
Thanks! :D

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.
Sweet! :cool:
Thanks! :D

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.
Sweet! :cool:
Thanks! :D

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.
Sweet! :cool:
Thanks! :D

[wmangum35]

Go Latvia!!! 3-2
FU!

unnecessary!! We have people posting on this board from other countries (Mikus is Latvian for example). There is no rule saying they have to root US to post here.
Sorry everyone who I may have affended, I was pissed because USA didn't win(Irbe's daughter goes to my school) and because UNC won... I apoligize. :help: (GO USA!) :usa:

Thanks :) We're cool now.
Sweet! :cool:
Thanks! :D

[goalie33]

My buddy put together a little visual example of what Archie would look like in modern gear:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/98ss10/irbe22.jpg

:D

[goalie33]

My buddy put together a little visual example of what Archie would look like in modern gear:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/98ss10/irbe22.jpg

:D

[goalie33]

My buddy put together a little visual example of what Archie would look like in modern gear:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/98ss10/irbe22.jpg

:D

[goalie33]

My buddy put together a little visual example of what Archie would look like in modern gear:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/98ss10/irbe22.jpg

:D

[goalie33]

My buddy put together a little visual example of what Archie would look like in modern gear:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/98ss10/irbe22.jpg

:D

[goalie33]

My buddy put together a little visual example of what Archie would look like in modern gear:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/98ss10/irbe22.jpg

:D

[goalie33]

My buddy put together a little visual example of what Archie would look like in modern gear:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/98ss10/irbe22.jpg

:D

[Guyute]

still got the birdcage mask though. :)

[Guyute]

still got the birdcage mask though. :)

[Guyute]

still got the birdcage mask though. :)

[Guyute]

still got the birdcage mask though. :)

[Guyute]

still got the birdcage mask though. :)

[Guyute]

still got the birdcage mask though. :)

[Guyute]

still got the birdcage mask though. :)

[mikus]

Uuuuh that looks disgusting :sick: :D

[mikus]

Uuuuh that looks disgusting :sick: :D

[mikus]

Uuuuh that looks disgusting :sick: :D

[mikus]

Uuuuh that looks disgusting :sick: :D

[mikus]

Uuuuh that looks disgusting :sick: :D

[mikus]

Uuuuh that looks disgusting :sick: :D

[mikus]

Uuuuh that looks disgusting :sick: :D

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

[guinevere]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

[guinevere]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

[guinevere]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

[guinevere]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

[guinevere]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

[guinevere]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

[guinevere]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

And the socks. I still have those in a glass "Break in Case of Latvian Emergency" box. :D

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

And the socks. I still have those in a glass "Break in Case of Latvian Emergency" box. :D

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

And the socks. I still have those in a glass "Break in Case of Latvian Emergency" box. :D

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

And the socks. I still have those in a glass "Break in Case of Latvian Emergency" box. :D

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

And the socks. I still have those in a glass "Break in Case of Latvian Emergency" box. :D

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

And the socks. I still have those in a glass "Break in Case of Latvian Emergency" box. :D

[RIO]

Makes me want to pull out the bungy cords for old times sake.

I was thinking the same thing -- get out of my head!! :smoke:

Does it make you want to pull out the secret decoder ring and the sparkley bobbie pins too? :cool:

And the socks. I still have those in a glass "Break in Case of Latvian Emergency" box. :D