Did somebody want Tanabe gone?

[Stormbringer]

As the Barenaked Ladies would perform, it's all been done...

http://www.carolinahurricanes.com/news/news.asp?articleid=1070

[tommy]

wow.

knyazev too huh?

[Captain Slack]

Good trade on our part, according to the draft analysis. Can't say I'm too upset at seeing Tanabe go, either.

Anybody know anything about this Markov guy? Is he any good??

[Jeff O Rocks]

Don't know a thing about Markov....I love all my Canes but I have to say that I am not sorry to see him go....he made too many mistakes and I think his attitude was a bit of a problem too.....hope this means that Aaron and Nicky will be safe...for a while at least...

I do wish Dave well!

[moonstomper]

Its seems like a good trade, Markov is very good...but both Tanabe and Kynazev can turn into superstars one day I wish them both well

[tommy]

Apparently Markov is a solid, physical presence. Nice.

Knyazev, we hardly knew ye.

[Captain Slack]

Knyazev, we hardly knew ye.

Didn't he get busted for heroin possession a few months back? Or am I thinking of another one of our prospects?

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Knyazev, we hardly knew ye.

Didn't he get busted for heroin possession a few months back? Or am I thinking of another one of our prospects?


Nope, that was Astashenko I believe.

[Captain Slack]

Here's Markov's page from nhlpa.com. Looks he might be a good addition to the team. He likes to hit apparently! :beatup:

http://www.nhlpa.com/Content/THE_PLAYERS/player_bio1.asp?ID=3561

[StormShaman]

Knyazev, we hardly knew ye.

Didn't he get busted for heroin possession a few months back? Or am I thinking of another one of our prospects?

You're thinking of Kaspars Astashenko.

Igor was pretty much a bust for us, so it's probably best for him that he leave. As for Nobber, he had a sterling chance to prove himself worthy of the continued privilege of wearing the Sightless Eye (not to mention the fat raise he wanted) last season and blew it in rather spectacular fashion. Much as I feel bad for those that loved Nobber, I can't say I'm sad to see him go (much like many folks around here can't say they were sad to see my man Harry go back in November).

Good luck to him in Phoenipeg.

[AbNormal27]

Markov is a great physical D-man. He was great in Toronto, and there's hardly a knock on the guy. He hits, and has a nice shot. I'm not sure WHY the Leafs got rid of him in the first place, and I'm glad he's now a Cane. Tanabe really hasn't been able to get back on track and Igor, well, you can only live on potential for sooooo long. Great deal!

Aaryn

[Turbulence]

Yet another great move by JR...We got to unload Tanabe while getting the steady, NHL-experienced hitting D-man that we lost in Wesley...
Sure, we had to give up Knyazev too, who could have become a steady NHLer, but it's worth it. (potential is potential...we know what we're getting with Markov...

[nccanes]

Sounds like Tanabe hasn't ever felt like he fit in. Hopefully this is one of those trades where boths sides will benefit. Good luck Dave!

Canes trade Tanabe
By LUKE DECOCK, Staff Writer
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- David Tanabe turned on his cell phone after working out Saturday morning and had five messages waiting.

"I figured something was going on," he said.

Hours before they took Eric Staal with the No. 2 pick in the NHL draft, the Carolina Hurricanes traded Tanabe, once their brightest young star, to the Phoenix Coyotes on Saturday along with 2001 first-round pick Igor Knyazev for defenseman Danny Markov and a conditional draft pick.

The talented Markov addresses the Canes' critical defensive deficiencies in exchange for two young players who despite their considerable potential had fallen out of favor with the Canes.

Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford said he closed the deal at midnight Friday when he agreed to include Knyazev, one of the Canes' top prospects.

The payoff? Markov, 26, a veteran of six NHL seasons and 336 games. He had four goals and 16 assists in 64 games for the Coyotes last season as their No. 2 defenseman.

He has battled injuries over the course of his career because of his style of play, but the 6-foot-1, 190-pound Moscow native has a reputation as a tough, gritty player who can contribute on the power play.

Markov adds a physical dimension to Carolina's defense, and Rutherford said he fills the age gap between veterans like Sean Hill and Bret Hedican and youngsters like Bruno St. Jacques and Tomas Malec.

"He plays with an edge," Rutherford said. "We don't see him as a guy who will come in and fight everybody, but he plays hard. We looked at a lot of defensemen and we liked Markov."

Markov, who made $1.45 million last season and is a restricted free agent, is in Russia and was unavailable for comment.

The Canes also get the option of taking Phoenix's fourth-round pick in 2004, their third-round pick in 2004 if they acquire one or their third-round pick in 2005.

The deal is a risk, prompted by the defensive problems that played such a large role in the Canes' collapse last season. In Markov, the Canes get the mature defenseman they need now but give up two players who could develop into stars.

"There's a sense of disappointment," Tanabe said. "But I'm thankful to them, thankful to Paul Maurice especially for giving me an opportunity to play. I wish that team the best. ...

"But I'm happy someone's excited to have me. More than anything, I would have been frustrated to be in a situation where a team didn't want to have me and didn't want me there."

Tanabe, only 22 despite 251 games of NHL experience, jumped straight into the NHL in 1999 after his freshman year at Wisconsin and his dynamic play raised hopes that he'd be an impact player in the NHL.

But his points dropped from 29 to 16 to 13 last season -- plagued for much of the year by a shoulder injury -- and the Canes worried about the slick-skating defenseman's hockey sense.

After missing 12 games with the shoulder injury, he was minus-16 over the final 25 games.

"It was by far and away the worst season I've ever been a part of," Tanabe said.

In Phoenix, Tanabe also will be reunited with former Carolina teammate Paul Coffey, now a consultant with the Coyotes.

The veteran Coffey, in his second-to-last season, mentored 18-year-old rookie Tanabe during the 1999-2000 season.

"He taught me a lot and took me under his wing," Tanabe said. "The situation that I came into with that team after the death of Steve Chiasson, in that position as a young guy I was not very welcome.

"I took a lot of heat just for being in a bad situation being a young guy coming in. He was one guy who took care of me and looked after me."

Knyazev, the 15th overall pick in 2001, struggled in his first season in North America after coming over from Russia but at 20 was still one of Carolina's top prospects.

Rutherford said concerns about the present outweighed any thoughts of future consequences.

"We need help on defense," Rutherford said. "Even with their upsides, Markov is a very good NHL defenseman who will help stabilize our defense."

[nccanes]

From the Arizona Republic:

Coyotes add 3 players in draft-day trades
Deal sends D Markov to Hurricanes

Bob McManaman
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 22, 2003 12:00 AM


There was speculation for weeks that the Coyotes would make a couple of trades at this weekend's NHL draft in an attempt to secure a pair of first-round picks.

That's what they did Saturday, except the first-rounders they acquired were drafted in 1999 and 2001.

Before NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman opened the proceedings at the Gaylord Entertainment Center, Phoenix struck a deal with Carolina that sent popular defenseman Danny Markov and a conditional draft pick to the Hurricanes for young defensemen David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev.

The 6-foot-1, 195-pound Tanabe, 22, was a first-round pick in 1999, the 16th selection overall. The 6-foot, 195-pound Knyazev, 20, was the 15th overall pick in 2001.

As for the conditional pick, Carolina has the right to choose either the Coyotes' third-round pick in 2005 or their fourth-round pick next year.

"We gave up a very passionate player who was very well-liked in the community and by his teammates," Coyotes general manager Mike Barnett said. "But you have to give to get, and we feel we got two outstanding, young defensemen that hopefully will be in our organization for a decade, plus."


...

The Markov trade was met with some skepticism around the Valley and the NHL. At 26, Markov still hasn't hit his prime but already was entrenched as a top-four defenseman in the Coyotes' lineup.

There were durability issues, however, with Markov's aggressive style of play. He hasn't once played an entire season, and he and the Coyotes were far apart in salary negotiations.

Tanabe doesn't have a contract, either. He made $550,000 last season and, like Nash, becomes a restricted free agent July 1.

"But that's not even on my mind," said Tanabe, who has 62 points in 251 career NHL games. "I'm just happy to be coming to Phoenix."

Knyazev had two goals and seven points last season at Lowell in the American Hockey League. He will spend next season with the Coyotes' AHL affiliate in Springfield, Mass.

[Shell]

Tanabe doesn't have a contract, either. He made $550,000 last season and, like Nash, becomes a restricted free agent July 1.
"But that's not even on my mind," said Tanabe, who has 62 points in 251 career NHL games. "I'm just happy to be coming to Phoenix."

guess he's waiting till next week for that http://wemissjerry.org/smiles/fdevil.gif

[SouthernHockeyChick]

LOL Shell!

[moonstomper]

I forgot about Coffey coaching over in Phx. That should should really help Nobber

[nccanes]

Found this in the Toronto Sun. Talk about strange.... :eek2:

Stormy move by Canes

By AL STRACHAN, TORONTO SUN


NASHVILLE -- Danny Markov was shipped from the Phoenix Coyotes to the Carolina Hurricanes on Saturday morning.

On Saturday afternoon, the teams learned that Markov has said he's not coming back to the National Hockey League, opting to sign with a team in Russia.

But Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford, who sent David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev to Arizona for Markov and a 2004 fourth-round draft pick, is of the opinion that Markov's announcement is a bargaining ploy.

Markov is a restricted free agent who is asking for $3.2 million US a year - which is why the cash-strapped Coyotes shipped him out. If money is the issue, he certainly won't be getting even a quarter of an NHL salary in Russia.

Furthermore, sources say that although Markov insists he's not coming back, he has applied for a green card allowing him to work in the United States. He wouldn't need one of those to play in Russia.

PS - I presume this is the correct thread for Markov talk....

[Jeff O Rocks]

very strange....that would be our luck if something like that happened!! :sad:

but the green card application hopefully disputes that he won't return... :roll:

[talkingcanes]

Found this in the Toronto Sun. Talk about strange.... :eek2:

Stormy move by Canes

By AL STRACHAN, TORONTO SUN


NASHVILLE -- Danny Markov was shipped from the Phoenix Coyotes to the Carolina Hurricanes on Saturday morning.

On Saturday afternoon, the teams learned that Markov has said he's not coming back to the National Hockey League, opting to sign with a team in Russia.

But Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford, who sent David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev to Arizona for Markov and a 2004 fourth-round draft pick, is of the opinion that Markov's announcement is a bargaining ploy.

Markov is a restricted free agent who is asking for $3.2 million US a year - which is why the cash-strapped Coyotes shipped him out. If money is the issue, he certainly won't be getting even a quarter of an NHL salary in Russia.

Furthermore, sources say that although Markov insists he's not coming back, he has applied for a green card allowing him to work in the United States. He wouldn't need one of those to play in Russia.

PS - I presume this is the correct thread for Markov talk....


Well, that should make it interesting! I saw in the paper (yesterday?) that Markov was in LA and met Cole and Weekes who were at the NHLPA meeting there. Maybe they convinced him Raleigh was an OK place to play hockey ;) I hope it works out. We do not need to start this season with off ice drama.

maybe it was Murray in LA with Weekes and Cole. I just read Markov was on vacation in Russia. whoever it was, we do not need off ice drama.

[Turbulence]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:SBq2yJwpYCgC:www.agooart.com/sillysweet/holycow.jpgHoly Cow....that could be big if he doesn't come back...though hopefully the green card issue means he is leaving it as an option...
My question is, did Phoenix knowingly send us a player who will refuse to sign with us? If so, that's pretty seedy...
:eek2:

[Jeff O Rocks]

My question is, did Phoenix knowingly send us a player who will refuse to sign with us? If so, that's pretty seedy...
:eek2:

If he has been threatening not to return, I can't see that they didn't know about the possibility of him NOT returning to the US!!

[ausoleil]

Tanabe has long been on my list for players I would like to see wearing another sweater. I like him as a person and as a family man, he seems like quite a good person. However, as a hockey player I just have never liked his lack of physicality and mental lapses around our netminder. All too often, Nobber was very susceptible to a strong forecheck, and not only did it present a goals-against danger, it wrecked any flow towards the blue line for our forwards.

All that said, I say I wish him the best and am glad he is getting a new start in the Western Conference. I don't think I will come to rue Nobber like a Chris Pronger or this season a Giguere.

[folgersnyourcup]

That would be horrible if Markov does not return to the US.... I suppose the Canes would then be out of luck in regards to the trade?

That is just ridiculous. The Hurricanes just don't get any breaks these days do they?

[Turbulence]

I suppose so, folgers. We own the rights to Markov but, and correct me if I'm wrong please, if we don't sign him before July 1 or so then he becomes a restricted free agent. If that happens he can choose not to sign with anyone I suppose. So yes, we'd be out of luck with Markov, though the trade wouldn't be a complete waste as we got a draft pick with Markov as well.

[nccanes]

I suppose so, folgers. We own the rights to Markov but, and correct me if I'm wrong please, if we don't sign him before July 1 or so then he becomes a restricted free agent. If that happens he can choose not to sign with anyone I suppose. So yes, we'd be out of luck with Markov, though the trade wouldn't be a complete waste as we got a draft pick with Markov as well.

No, he can't sign with anyone. Anyone can offer him a contract, but the Canes can match it and he stays a Cane (that's where the "restricted" comes in).

[Turbulence]

No, I said "he can choose not to sign with anyone I suppose" :spin:

Though technically he can sign with anyone for any price though...the 'Canes just have to match.

[nccanes]

No, I said "he can choose not to sign with anyone I suppose" :spin:

Though technically he can sign with anyone for any price though...the 'Canes just have to match.

Sorry Turby. Second time in the past few days I've missed a "not" in someone else's post. Tends to change the meaning. ;)

The next few months should be interesting. It'll be interesting to see what Tanabe ends up signing for too.

[Jeff O Rocks]

The next few months should be interesting. It'll be interesting to see what Tanabe ends up signing for too.

I have all ideas that he better do it quickly...I am sure Phoenix with their own budget woes won't take kindly to David sitting in front of his contract with his arms folded wanting more $$$$ !! :eek2:

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I have a cousin in Phoenix who is a big Coyotes fan. She e-mailed me this morning about Markov. Here's her brief synopsis:
You got one of our toughest players. Danny Markov. This boy plays with broken bones, and when asked why he did it. His answer is "It's my job" I really have a lot of respect for how tough this guy is and he's not even a big guy. I think he's Russian, heavy accent and very nice.


Sounds good to me!

[Guyute]

Markov is a Very solid player. great trade for us, no question... as long as he's not running off to Europe to play. :roll:

[AbNormal27]

Like I said before, why did Toronto and now Phoenix get rid of this guy? He's a true warrior and will be a great help to our guys between the pipes. Great trade!

Aaryn

[hyena]

the canes are the topic of discussion on adam gold's show right now. i missed the first few minutes, and the first thing i hear when i tune in is regarding off-ice issues with Nobber. that "tanabe is not at markov's level in the leadership department, and that's what they wanted..." besides the "rumblings about him being 'uncoachable' and 'rubbing people the wrong way after year one...' " was the situation really that bad or is gold just running his mouth again about stuff he knows nothing about?

on a side note, the more i keep hearing about markov, the more i like him. http://www.electrichyena.com/other/redthumb.gif

[nccanes]

the canes are the topic of discussion on adam gold's show right now. i missed the first few minutes, and the first thing i hear when i tune in is regarding off-ice issues with Nobber. that "tanabe is not at markov's level in the leadership department, and that's what they wanted..." besides the "rumblings about him being 'uncoachable' and 'rubbing people the wrong way after year one...' " was the situation really that bad or is gold just running his mouth again about stuff he knows nothing about?


I listened to Forslund on the Chris Clark show this morning and he eluded to the same thing. He phrased it in a more sensitive way, but said things like he never really fit in, the players treated him differently because he was a 1st round pick, etc.

Of course, I think Gold might not know what he's talking about either, and is just repeating the innuendo that we've read about in the last few days from both the Canes and Tanabe.

I wish these guys would read this board before they do the interviews because I was annoyed that Chris Clark didn't ask Forslund about Markov's supposed "return to Russia". And honestly, it sounded to me that Forslund was just getting cranked up and Clark ended the segment and thanked him for joining the show. :roll: Had to get on to the boxing news. :sick:

[Captain Slack]

OK! My curiosity has gotten the best of me!

Why is Tanabe called Nobber? :D

[Kat]

Tan-nob-ee... phonetically... just take the middle syllable and add "ber" to it, and get Nobber. At least, that is my guess.

-Kat

[nccanes]

(Again, this is about the Markov side of this trade, not Tanabe being "gone").

From the N&O on Markov possibly signing with a Russian team. Also mentioned was the possibility of Hlavac not receiving a qualifying offer.

Markov may play in Russia
Agent says Hurricanes' newly acquired defenseman has 'substantial' contract offer

By LUKE DECOCK, Staff Writer

Danny Markov, the much-needed defenseman acquired by the Carolina Hurricanes this weekend, may play overseas instead.
Jay Grossman, Markov's agent, said Monday that Markov has a two-year contract offer from Russian team Lada Togliatti for a "substantial sum."

Markov, a restricted free agent who made $1.6 million last season, received the offer before he was traded from the Phoenix Coyotes to Carolina on Saturday.

Contract negotiations between Markov and the cost-cutting Coyotes were expected to be contentious, which is why the gritty 26-year-old defenseman was made available to the Canes.

"He had a pretty impressive contract offered to him and he did this prior to being traded to Carolina," Grossman said. "It's not a negotiating ploy or anything along those lines."

Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford said after his first conversation with Grossman that he felt "things have changed."

"My conversation with Jay was good, it was positive," Rutherford said. "I believe we'll be able to get a contract done."

While most contracts with European teams have clauses that make them void if a player signs with an NHL team, Grossman said the offer from Lada Togliatti isn't a typical deal.

"Danny had to give up certain things," Grossman said, although he declined to go into specifics.

The offer from Lada Togliatti takes effect July 1, when Markov's NHL contract expires.

The Canes acquired Markov and a conditional draft pick on Saturday for defensemen David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev. He is expected to stabilize a defense that was one of the main reasons the Canes fell from the Stanley Cup finals to dead last.

Rutherford said he planned to begin negotiations with Grossman on Wednesday, leaving less than a week before Lada Togliatti's offer takes effect.

Wednesday is also the day that Rutherford said he plans to decide whether to tender qualifying offers to restricted free agents Jan Hlavac and Nikos Tselios.

Sunday's trade for versatile Flyers forward Marty Murray may make Hlavac, a left winger, too expensive given the Canes' depth at forward. Hlavac also is being shopped for more help on defense. A qualifying offer to Hlavac would be worth about $1.8 million.

The Canes are also considering parting ways with Tselios, a 6-foot-5 defenseman and the Canes' first-round pick in 1997, who had a miserable season in Lowell (AHL).

Should the Canes allow Tselios to become a free agent, only Jeff Heerema would remain with the organization out of Carolina's five first-round picks from 1995 to 2001.

A qualifying offer is a contract proposal that allows a team to retain the rights to a restricted free agent even if a player declines the offer. Without a qualifying offer, a player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

The Canes also will tender qualifying offers as a formality to Erik Cole, Bruno St. Jacques, Josef Vasicek and Jaroslav Svoboda among others in the organization.

One player who won't be getting a contract offer yet is Eric Staal, the No. 2 overall pick in the draft.

During the week leading up to the draft, Rutherford said Staal's agents were told a contract offer would be forthcoming only if Staal were to make the NHL roster this fall as an 18-year-old.

[Turbulence]

I'm certainly glad to hear that all is not lost with Markov...I'm sure our mastermind of a GM can whip out a good 1 year contract to keep him in the states.
Perhaps Markov's probable signing with Lada Togliatti was only because of a lack of willingness to play for Phoenix rather than a lack of willingness to play in North America...

And about Hlavac....if we can't trade him he is only a money hole for this organization...With all of these forewards the only probable spot I see for him is 4th line LW, and even then there are some young guys who can bring more energy and offense to the table than he did last year...It's sad to see him go but I just don't see a place for him...

[talkingcanes]

I'm certainly glad to hear that all is not lost with Markov...I'm sure our mastermind of a GM can whip out a good 1 year contract to keep him in the states.
Perhaps Markov's probable signing with Lada Togliatti was only because of a lack of willingness to play for Phoenix rather than a lack of willingness to play in North America...

And about Hlavac....if we can't trade him he is only a money hole for this organization...With all of these forewards the only probable spot I see for him is 4th line LW, and even then there are some young guys who can bring more energy and offense to the table than he did last year...It's sad to see him go but I just don't see a place for him...

I'm not ready to give up on Hlavac yet especially with the succes he and his Canes' teammates had in the World Championships. I think last year is a tough one to judge any of them. I'd like to see him playing on a functioning Canes' team before we decide he doesn't have a place. Too many young guys without a full year in the NHL behind them can potentially lead to a let down as the season grinds on and they are not used to the pace.

[Turbulence]

You make a great point tc...last season was no season to judge anyone. It is all too common that a rookie phenom will come in for 20 or 30 games and blow everybody up and then have his performance decline steadily due to being rushed...and this will probably happen with a few of our young guns. I just fear that the Million+ going to Hlavac, who was nothing more than a 3rd liner in Vancouver, will interfere with the signing of a free agent d-man or traded d-man that we so sorely need. If we have to sacrafice one 'sniper' LW for a steady, veteran defender then I'm all for it...Between defense and offense defense needs to be our priority.

[talkingcanes]

You make a great point tc...last season was no season to judge anyone. It is all too common that a rookie phenom will come in for 20 or 30 games and blow everybody up and then have his performance decline steadily due to being rushed...and this will probably happen with a few of our young guns. I just fear that the Million+ going to Hlavac, who was nothing more than a 3rd liner in Vancouver, will interfere with the signing of a free agent d-man or traded d-man that we so sorely need. If we have to sacrafice one 'sniper' LW for a steady, veteran defender then I'm all for it...Between defense and offense defense needs to be our priority.

Turby.........I am in full agreement with you on the D-Man. If Hlavac's $ is between us and another NHL proven defenseman, then I see the need to let him go. I would just really like to see that Czech World Championship line on the ice at the RBC. of course, there is no guarantee that they could duplicate that.

[Jeff O Rocks]

I think Jan has a lot to offer....if he hadn't been injured, I think he might have scored some goals for us..maybe this off season hockey will him get his "groove" and confidence back..... May every game for him be just like the Detroit game.. ;)

[Stormbringer]

May every game for him (Hlavac) be just like the Detroit game.. ;)

Oh man...if every game for Hlavac, or everyone for that matter, was like the Detroit game, I think we all would swear we have died and gone to Heaven... :spin:

[Guyute]

I'm not jumping on the "let Hlavac go" wagon. we've seen way too many people not get a fair shake here before being shipped out. Hlavac has pure talent. Yes, it's a tough fight to lock a forward spot this upcoming season... but damn, at least give the dude a shot at doing it.

:roll:

[Stormbringer]

I'm not jumping on the "let Hlavac go" wagon. we've seen way too many people not get a fair shake here before being shipped out. Hlavac has pure talent. Yes, it's a tough fight to lock a forward spot this upcoming season... but damn, at least give the dude a shot at doing it.

:roll:

What you said Guyute...the only way I won't mind Hlavac going is if we get a great d-man in return. But hopefully Markov will sign up, thus ending or lowering our d-man woes. Unless Hlavac really proves that he's not a good fit on the Canes, I think we should definitely give him and his world championship buddies a chance.

[Jeff O Rocks]

we've seen way too many people not get a fair shake here before being shipped out.
:roll:

DRUKEN!! :roll:

[Shell]

a snippet from the Arizona Republic:

By moving defenseman Danny Markov to Carolina for defenseman David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev, the Coyotes saved roughly $2 million for next season. Markov wanted a three-year deal for $9 million and the Coyotes were unwilling to go that high for a player who has never played a full season and has had injury problems. Markov could have won an arbitration award of $2.5 million if he went that route, or if he had lost been awarded roughly $2 million. Tanabe makes $600,000 and although not a physical player, he is a top-four defenseman who is a good skater and is offensive minded. Make no mistake that Markov is the better player, but the Coyotes like the young Tanabe and Knyazev and consider both a big part of the future.

[Captain Slack]

Turby.........I am in full agreement with you on the D-Man. If Hlavac's $ is between us and another NHL proven defenseman, then I see the need to let him go. I would just really like to see that Czech World Championship line on the ice at the RBC. of course, there is no guarantee that they could duplicate that.

Was Vasicek the center on that line? If so, I doubt we'll see it duplicated here. IMHO, bringing Murray in means either Vasicek moves to a wing or is Lowell bound.

[Cool Hand Luke]

Mark me down on the list of people who want Hlavac to stay. (unless we get a super D man in return). I've watched the guy in practice and he is super smooth. I think he can do some damage if given more of a chance. I know he's weak on D though, and that's probably Mo's beef with him.

By the way, I read that Marty Murray can play winger also, not just center. Maybe Guyute can verify or correct that report.

[Guyute]

Marty is a total utility player. you tell him where to go and he goes. fantastic pickup for us, imo. solid 4th liner that has grit and will put the puck in the net.... as well as probably take some serious pk time.

[nccanes]

Not at all suggesting there were personality issues, but who knows how happy Hlavac is/was here. There was much made of him being a big-city guy when he came here (though he does have a young family). Seems like he'd want to stay put and prove he can have a full, strong, season, but who knows. I guess we'll find out how much JR is interested when July 1 rolls around and if Hlavac gets a qualifying offer.

No doubt - JR will be one busy man in the next week.

[Shell]

Found this article about him in the PhillyBurbs from 1/27/02:

Murray signed

Here's good news for a guy who deserves it. Marty Murray, the surprise player on the Flyers this season, has been inked to a three-year, $1.95-million contract extension.

It's the first "one-way" contract of Murray's career. In five seasons with Calgary, he always had "two-way" deals which allowed the Flames to send him to the minors for minor-league pay.

Murray has been an inspirational, energetic player for the Flyers. Prior to this season, he had just three goals in 26 NHL games going back to 1995. This year he already has eight goals.

"We think Marty is probably as good a utility player as there is in the game today," general manager Bob Clarke said. "For our team, he's played so well. He's played center, wing, all lines, killed penalties. We think it's good for us to have him under contract for some term.

"We think it works good for him, too. He hasn't had the security of a contract in the NHL before."

Murray began the season with the Phantoms. He has exceeded everyone's expectations.

"When we signed him, we thought he was a player we could call up," Clarke said. "But certainly right through training camp and the time we've called him up, he's proved he can play in the NHL and do a real good job for our club."

Murray, 26, has always believed in himself.

"The coaching staff has always given me an opportunity from day one," he said. "My confidence level has been pretty high because of that. I always thought I could play. Now that I'm getting close to 50 games this season, I'm feeling comfortable out there."

"It's nice to have a little security," he added. "This is my seventh year pro, I won't have to sweat it out over the summer. It will make the summer a little more enjoyable, too.''

[Turbulence]

So basically in Murray we have a Jeff Daniels+....good to know he's versitile. He'll need to be in the upcoming season with the surplus of forewards. Our PK will be awesome now with Brindy, Murray, JD, and KAdams...

[Jeff O Rocks]

He sounds like a really solid guy...and guyute has given him the stamp of approval...so he gets the thumbs up...glad to have him! :spin:

[StormShaman]

He's Jake insurance. :)

[Cool Hand Luke]

He's Jake insurance. :)

I hope Jake is Murray insurance. Don't know the last time Jake scored 11 goals and 15 assists in a season. :eek:

[folgersnyourcup]

I hope that if JR persuades Markov to play for the Canes next year that is whole-heartedly willing to put everything into playing for an NHL team and not just doing it because of money.... The last thing we need is a defenseman who doesn't give a damn and is bitter that he is not able to play in his home country. Would remind me a bit of how Anaheim fans think of Friesen when he played there after being traded from the Sharks.

[nccanes]

Today's N&O article:

Canes explore options
No progress on Markov contract
By LUKE DECOCK, Staff Writer


The first day of negotiations with the agent for newly acquired defenseman Danny Markov yielded no progress, Carolina Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford said Wednesday.
Markov has an offer from Russian team Lada Togliatti that his agent, Jay Grossman, termed "substantial."

A restricted free agent, Markov is looking for a major raise from the $1.4 million he made last season -- more than $3 million according to some reports.

He'll be able to accept the Russian offer on July 1 when his NHL contract expires, which is also when the NHL free-agent market opens.

"We have to do business here," Rutherford said. "If it looks like we're not going to be able to do a deal with Danny, which we'd like to do, we'll take that money into the free-agent market."

Rutherford said he was unaware of the Lada Togliatti offer when he made the trade, sending defenseman David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev to the Phoenix Coyotes for Markov, 26, and a conditional draft pick.

"I did not know about or expect the Russian option," Rutherford said. "Although I guess when you think about it, it's happened with Russian players. Certainly with a player of his caliber, it doesn't surprise me we would have a tough negotiation."

Markov, who Rutherford said has just returned from Russia to his cottage in Ontario, has not spoken with the Canes yet. Coach Paul Maurice was trying to contact him Wednesday.

Meanwhile, Rutherford said no decision had been made on whether to tender qualifying offers to restricted free agents Jan Hlavac and Nikos Tselios. They would become unrestricted free agents if qualifying offers are not submitted by the June 30 deadline.

Hlavac, whose qualifying offer would be about $1.8 million, is at the center of trade talks with a number of teams.


Staff writer Luke DeCock can be reached at 829-8947 or ldecock@newsobserver.com

[stewart123]

I'm sure JR will make a fair offer for Markov, and if he really wants to play in the NHL, or if the Russian contract is a bluff, Markov will sign with the Canes.

If Markov won't sign.. then we'll use the money on a similar free-agent defenseman (of which there are quite a few this year) and try again in two years. This is the same timeframe that Knyazev is expected to take to reach the NHL, if he ever does.

So at worst, it falls back to avoiding Tanabe's upcoming contract negotiations, and getting a decent free-agent defensemanin his place.

[StormShaman]

If Markov doesn't sign or refuses to report, then the deal will be negated--in which case the 'Canes don't lose anything, and we can find somebody else to trade Nobber to.

So I guess that's something, at least.

[VandyCane]

Is that the way it works? I thought if Markov doesn't sign then basically we are screwed, we gave two players for nothing. I have a feeling Phoenix new about this and saddled us with this headache. I hope I am wrong though. I mean, I don't mind Tanabe gone but we have to get something for him.

[AbNormal27]

If Markov doesn't sign or refuses to report, then the deal will be negated--in which case the 'Canes don't lose anything, and we can find somebody else to trade Nobber to.

Nope, we traded "the rights to" David Tanabe, and Igor Knyazev to Phoenix for "the rights to" Danny Markov, and a draft pick. Assuming Markov is a restricted FA, if he doesn't sign, he is free to do as he wants and we get nothing, except the right to match any offer he gets from another NHL team. The same works for Tanabe in Phoenix. If neither sign, then both teams lose, but the players don't go back to the team they were traded from.

Aaryn

[nccanes]

The thing that I'm curious about is why he'd want to return to Russia. JR has made it sound like they'll make him a fair offer (and didn't he also talk about more than a 1 year deal?), so why run off to Russian when you are 27 when you can make a lot more here. From what I read he was a very personable player and fans were fond of him in Toronto and Phoenix. It doesn't seem like he was a brooding, homesick Russian.

Wonder how much sleep JR is getting these days. :crazy:

[moonstomper]

I know this may sound stupid, but what if the Russian Mafia has something to do with it? I read in a Sergei Federov interview that when players return home, they have to pay protection money for themselves and their family. Maybe he was "persuaded" to stay in Russia? Unlikely but I kinda like cospiracy theories like that......

[Jeff O Rocks]

At the select a seat at the arena Tuesday night, Scott Tippins addressed this...he said he knew that all were concerned. From what he said, it is all about negotiations. If what he passed along is true..and I am assuming it came from JR, we should have no problem signing him....but SHOULD is the key word!! :spin:

[nccanes]

I hope so Mona. JRs public comments could be his posturing too. Let's hope so.

It was nice to have Hedican's contract wrapped up so quickly and neatly last year after the near-debacle with Ronnie.

[nccanes]

I know this may sound stupid, but what if the Russian Mafia has something to do with it? I read in a Sergei Federov interview that when players return home, they have to pay protection money for themselves and their family. Maybe he was "persuaded" to stay in Russia? Unlikely but I kinda like cospiracy theories like that......

Who knows Moonie!?

I do think that Russian athletes have a lot to deal with in this regard. I've read stories about how crime/mafia/whatever even interfere with figure skaters. I seem to recall a story about one of the woman skaters having her BMW blown up or something.

I would hope an athlete that has residence in the US, with US agents/lawyers, etc. would have a better shot at being removed from that element. But there are always family members somewhere in Russia. Conspiracy theory indeed. ;) Let's hope it's just negotiations! :)

[Jeff O Rocks]

I know this may sound stupid, but what if the Russian Mafia has something to do with it? I read in a Sergei Federov interview that when players return home, they have to pay protection money for themselves and their family. Maybe he was "persuaded" to stay in Russia? Unlikely but I kinda like cospiracy theories like that......

Who knows Moonie!?

I do think that Russian athletes have a lot to deal with in this regard. I've read stories about how crime/mafia/whatever even interfere with figure skaters. I seem to recall a story about one of the woman skaters having her BMW blown up or something.

I would hope an athlete that has residence in the US, with US agents/lawyers, etc. would have a better shot at being removed from that element. But there are always family members somewhere in Russia. Conspiracy theory indeed. ;) Let's hope it's just negotiations! :)

Could be....as I posted in another thread, I watched a special on the 1980 Olympic hockey team on HBO a few weeks ago, and some of the Russian players said they were scared to go home after they lost...between the government AND the citizens, I think they feared for their lives...I think things are more relaxed now, but it still is a harsh place to live.. :roll:

[nccanes]

Not that I think this really means anything, but the club in Russia that Markov has supposedly signed with appears to have announced it on their website:

http://hclada.ru

I used a translator and came up with this really crude translation. Seems like they are saying he's signed for a 2 year deal and must report on 7/26.

I hope this comes out with the cyrillic characters for the words that couldn't be translated, otherwise it's pretty ugly. It seems to work for me and is readable.

23.06.2003
the 27-years defender of club NHL " Phoenix Койотс " (2001-03) Daniel Mark in the past days off обменянный from this club to " Carolina Харрикейнз ", has signed the two-year-old contract with "Ладой". Earlier this pupil capital "Спартака" has played to " Toronto Мэйпл Лифс " (1997-2001). In total in Mark's National hockey league has lead(carried out) 336 matches in which has typed(collected) 101 очко (19+82) and 240 minutes of the penalty. In Cup Стэнли - 40 games, 11 ( 1+10 ) glasses, 40 minutes of the penalty. July, 26 Daniel Mark should act(arrive) at disposal of a command(team).

[nccanes]

I also found this as part of an interview with the Russian club's GM. It was from 6/24, the day after the post about Markov signing. From what I can gather, it seems like it's a way to have Markov commit to this team for the lockout season.


- signing defender Daniel Markova was more dictated by desire to see it(him) in structure " Лады " in the following season in case of lock-out?
- till October it is 99 percents, that it(he) will play Tolyatti. But even if Mark& in October will leave, to a command(team) advantage(benefit) to bring will have time. It(he) "Ладе" will give dispersal. As first three games we play houses, it is very important to avoid in them очковых losses. The second moment: the situation has changed after exchange Маркова from "Phoenix" to "Carolina" a little. "Phoenix" could not give it(him) that money which it(he) wanted. And it is far yet the fact, that "Carolina" can give it(him) this money. And it(he) is adjusted very rigidly: do not give - I leave to Russia.

[Jeff O Rocks]

Dang...what a confusing mess!! :roll: Next time, JR trade for an American or somebody that doesn't want to go back home!! :sick:

[Turbulence]

http://www.caneshockey.com/images/players/2002/markovbio.jpg
Just surfing around and I found this...perhaps this means we will get him signed...or more likely, the webmaster was just getting ahead. I'd like to think it has a deeper meaning, though. :D
Also found Murray.
http://www.caneshockey.com/images/players/2002/murraybio.jpg

[Captain Slack]

Is Murray really that little? 5'5"?

[guinevere]

Is Murray really that little? 5'5"?

I wonder if thats a misprint. I read other sources say 5'9". Even Irbe was 5'8. At 5'5" I don't think the guy could clear the boards.

Guin

[Shell]

No, that is a typo. He's 5'9"

(whoops, sorry, didn't see Jen's reply before I replied)

[Shell]

not much new here, but beats the silence.

Carolina GM to Meet With Defenseman This Week

POSTED: 12:37 p.m. EDT June 30, 2003

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Carolina Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford plans to meet with Danny Markov later this week in an attempt to sign the newly acquired defenseman.

Carolina got Markov in a draft-day trade for defensemen David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev, both former first-round draft picks. Markov, a six-year NHL veteran who played for Russia in the 2002 Olympics, has 19 goals and 82 assists in 336 career games after being taken in the ninth round of the draft by Toronto in 1995.

However, Markov's agent said the former Phoenix Coyotes defenseman is thinking about playing in Russia instead of joining the Hurricanes.

Rutherford qualified Markov, a restricted free agent, at $1.6 million for next season, but plans to discuss a two- or three-year with him when they meet in Toronto this week. Markov made $1.4 million last year and is likely seeking more than $2 million a year.

Coach Paul Maurice met with Markov over the weekend and Rutherford said Monday the two had a good conversation.

"Sure it's a serious offer," Rutherford said when asked about the Russian deal. "But I would think if that was a place people really wanted to play there would be more than one guy going there. It would be 12 or 15."

If Carolina is unable to sign Markov, Rutherford said he may take that money into the free-agent market, which opens Tuesday.

"I believe we have a good chance to have him here in Carolina," Rutherford said. "If not, this is going to be a year where there is going to be enough players out there to fill that gap. But we traded him for a reason. We really like him

[guinevere]

If Carolina is unable to sign Markov, Rutherford said he may take that money into the free-agent market, which opens Tuesday.


Can't you just see JR in a little bonnet with a basket heading to market? The up side, if Markov doesn't sign, there are going to be quite a few free agents out there (Give me a W, give me an E, give me an S L E Y) - or maybe not.

Guin

[Jeff O Rocks]

If Carolina is unable to sign Markov, Rutherford said he may take that money into the free-agent market, which opens Tuesday.


Can't you just see JR in a little bonnet with a basket heading to market? The up side, if Markov doesn't sign, there are going to be quite a few free agents out there (Give me a W, give me an E, give me an S L E Y) - or maybe not.

Guin

If JR wants Glen back and there were any bad feelings at all between the two of them...he might be puckering up in that little bonnet!! :D

[folgersnyourcup]

I really, really hope JR is able to sign Markov. What a waste it would be to trade 2 players for absolutely nothing! Well we get a draft pick but yeah.... What an amazing deal this appears to be though....two prospects for a player that is very, very good right now! Perhaps it was too good to be true? :sad:

[nccanes]

So I suppose the comments about his Russian contract becoming effective July 1 were false. And whatever his agents said that Markov "gave up" (implying that it was the freedom to sign an NHL contract), it must be something else. :roll:

[stewart123]

It's definitely a confusing situation. My understanding was that July 1 was when the Russian team officially made Markov an offer.. meaning that Markov *could* then sign with them, not that he had to.

So, Markov can sign with the Russian team, and the Canes lose out.. or he can sign with another NHL team, and the Canes can match that salary.. or he can just help everyone involved and take 2.3 mill from the Canes for the next 3 years.

If Markov signs in Russia, plays two years, and then wants to come back to the NHL.. would the Canes still own the rights to him?

[Jeff O Rocks]

If Markov signs in Russia, plays two years, and then wants to come back to the NHL.. would the Canes still own the rights to him?

Excellent question....It would make you think yes cause we "own" him right now, but I don't know for sure.. :roll:

I hope he signs with us, we don't need the drama right now...we need to focus on everyone being healthy and back on track!!

[Shell]

yes, we would "own" him if he returned to the NHL, just like Detroit will "own" Hasek when/if he comes back.

I definitely hope Markov is playing for us come October. It's pretty crappy to be introdued to a new player during contract negotiations but I think he'll sign with us and we'll love him ;)

[nccanes]

yes, we would "own" him if he returned to the NHL, just like Detroit will "own" Hasek when/if he comes back.


For some reason, I was thinking that Hasek's contract/rights only went thru today. That he would be a free agent as of tomorrow if he doesn't sign with the Wings.

No clue about Markov's rights length because of his age/status as a RFA, though.

Good luck with sleep this week JR! ;)

[Shell]

*sheepishly* you're absolutely correct Eileen.. Detroit owns him if he signs a contract prior to midnight tonight or they offer him a qualifying offer, but he'll become a free agent if he doesn't/they don't, right?
I don't think I got enough sleep this weekend ;)

[nccanes]

More comments about the Markov "recruiting trip" on Friday.

Rutherford will head to Toronto late in the week to try to convince newly acquired defenseman Danny Markov to sign with the team and not play in Russia.

Carolina qualified Markov at $1.6 million after a draft-day trade with Phoenix, but he's seeking a multi-year deal in excess of $2 million a season.

"This won't be a contract meeting," Rutherford said. "It's more to talk about our team and where he fits in and where our team is going. It's almost more like a recruiting meeting."

[Jeff O Rocks]

Carolina qualified Markov at $1.6 million after a draft-day trade with Phoenix, but he's seeking a multi-year deal in excess of $2 million a season.



I haven't done my homework and don't know much about his background....he is seeking a raise so what kind of season did he have??? :roll:

[nccanes]

I haven't done my homework and don't know much about his background....he is seeking a raise so what kind of season did he have??? :roll:


64 games, 4 goals, 16 assists = 20 points, +2 plus/minus

Just for comparison's sake that's better numbers than any other Cane's dman other than Hill. Hill had 29 points, but had 141 penalty minutes (in 82 games). Markov had 36 PIM.

Hedican's number were 3 goals, 14 assists, and a -24 in 72 games.

[Stormbringer]

Carolina qualified Markov at $1.6 million after a draft-day trade with Phoenix, but he's seeking a multi-year deal in excess of $2 million a season.



I haven't done my homework and don't know much about his background....he is seeking a raise so what kind of season did he have??? :roll:

Well last season, Markov played in 64 games, and managed to get 4 goals, 16 assists, had a plus/minus of +2, and had 36 penalty minutes.

Edit: Oops...not surprisingly, beaten to the draw by Eileen. :)

[Jeff O Rocks]

Eileen is da bomb!! ;) Thanks..

Hell...who needs NHL.com when you have Eileen, Shell, Guyute and SHC???? Hats off to you guys!!!!!!! :spin:

[Stormbringer]

Eileen is da bomb!! ;) Thanks..

Hell...who needs NHL.com when you have Eileen, Shell, Guyute and SHC???? Hats off to you guys!!!!!!! :spin:

So what am I? Chopped liver? Geez... :roll:

J/k...ESPN AND NHL.com should really look into hiring us for their hockey coverage. We'd easily blow their "experts" out of the water. :spin:

[Jeff O Rocks]

Eileen is da bomb!! ;) Thanks..

Hell...who needs NHL.com when you have Eileen, Shell, Guyute and SHC???? Hats off to you guys!!!!!!! :spin:

So what am I? Chopped liver? Geez... :roll:

J/k...ESPN AND NHL.com should really look into hiring us for their hockey coverage. We'd easily blow their "experts" out of the water. :spin:

No chopped liver SB.... thanks for your answers too! :spin: That is true..stick our gang in the booth and Melrose will be looking for another line of work to support his "gel" habit! :laugh: :sick: ;)

[guinevere]

"This won't be a contract meeting," Rutherford said. "It's more to talk about our team and where he fits in and where our team is going. It's almost more like a recruiting meeting."

I don't know how Markov could fit into our system. I mean really - a defenseman with a positive plus/minus- that scores goals and doesn't have a vacation home in the penalty box? http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/217931949.gifThats just crazy talk....http://www.jordysworld.de/emoticons/sport57.gif


Guin

[Shell]

LMAO Jen

[crazy4canes]

"This won't be a contract meeting," Rutherford said. "It's more to talk about our team and where he fits in and where our team is going. It's almost more like a recruiting meeting."

I don't know how Markov could fit into our system. I mean really - a defenseman with a positive plus/minus- that scores goals and doesn't have a vacation home in the penalty box? http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/217931949.gifThats just crazy talk....http://www.jordysworld.de/emoticons/sport57.gif


Guin

Don't worry guin, Mo will break him out of that habit. :beatup:

[ausoleil]

Even though there is not really a whole lot of movement on the Free Agent market (yet) Markov will gain more and more leverage every time a quality D man goes somewhere else.

I like the guy, he's my kind of D-man -- hits hard, is good with the puck and is a scoring threat. Unlike who he replaces.

[nccanes]

Even though there is not really a whole lot of movement on the Free Agent market (yet) Markov will gain more and more leverage every time a quality D man goes somewhere else.


I suppose so, but if the Canes are one of the clubs that sign a free agent, I would think that it would give them a little leverage too.

Anyway, I don't think the issue is money - at least not yet. It sounds like JR knows he's going to have to spend some, he's already said he's willing to offer a multi-year deal.

[nccanes]

From today's N&O:

Canes, Markov chat
By LUKE DECOCK, Staff Writer

Carolina Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford and defenseman Danny Markov were able to get together for lunch on Friday, but getting together on a contract remains something else altogether.
Rutherford said that no contract terms were discussed Friday because Markov's agent was not present at the meeting in Toronto. Instead, the two discussed the Hurricanes, life in the Triangle and Markov's options.
Markov has a two-year offer from Russian team Lada Togliatti in hand. The Canes have until he plays in Russia to sign him; at that point he would have to clear waivers to return to the NHL in 2003-04.

"He made it very clear that if he gets the contract he would like from Carolina, he'll stay here," Rutherford said.

Markov, who made $1.45 million last season, has been given a qualifying offer of $1.6 million by the Canes. He is believed to be seeking in excess of $3 million; the Canes have budgeted about $2 million.

Rutherford said he plans to speak with Markov's agent, Jay Grossman, on Monday or Tuesday. Grossman was unavailable for comment Friday.

Carolina coach Paul Maurice spoke at length with Markov on Thursday, a telephone conversation he said was limited to hockey.

The Canes acquired Markov from the Phoenix Coyotes on June 21 for young defensemen David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev, apparently without knowledge of the Russian offer.

Rutherford has another meeting scheduled in Toronto for Tuesday, this one with agent Don Meehan to open negotiations on a new contract for restricted free agent Josef Vasicek.

Meehan also represents free-agent defensemen Oleg Tverdovsky and Greg de Vries; the Canes have a keen interest in Tverdovsky but expect de Vries to be too expensive.



I'm confused by this:

The Canes have until he plays in Russia to sign him; at that point he would have to clear waivers to return to the NHL in 2003-04

Why would have to clear waivers? And how does that work, since he wouldn't have agreed to a contract/salary?

[talkingcanes]

Why would have to clear waivers? And how does that work, since he wouldn't have agreed to a contract/salary?[/quote]

I asked that same question at FanHome. Maybe because once you play with another professional league the NHL contract is null and void?

[Jeff O Rocks]

I don't know about you guys, but this situation is already tiring to me....I am about ready to say shove it and go back to Russia...we can find someone else that wants to play in the NHL!!! :mad:

[stewart123]

I hate looking stuff up in the CBA, but I was wondering about this earlier as well.

13.21.(f) In the event a professional or former professional
player plays in a league outside North America after the start of
the NHL regular season, other than on loan from his Club, he may
thereafter play in the NHL during that season (including
playoffs) only if he has first either cleared or been obtained
via waivers. For the balance of the season, any such player who
has been obtained via waivers may be assigned only after again
clearing waivers or through waiver claim.

Same thing happened to San Jose, two times in the same year:

Over the weekend Nabokov said if a contract isn't worked out soon he could leave for Russia as early as Tuesday. He wouldn't be going there for a visit. He'd be going to play hockey. And if he does, don't expect to see him in a Sharks uniform this season. That's because if Nabokov does play in Russia, he would have to clear waivers before he could suit up for San Jose again this season. Let's face it, Nabokov is an outstanding goalie, and there are plenty of teams who could use him. It's highly unlikely that Nabokov would clear waivers. (By the way Sharks forward Alexander Korolyuk has already signed to play for a team in Russia. If he plays in a game he would probably not be back for the same reasons.)

[talkingcanes]

thanks for looking that up and posting the answer :)

[stewart123]

I should have looked it up when I asked the question originally. But I can never find anything in there that helps me understand the NHL, unless someone else explains what's going to happen, and then I can find confirmation of it.

But at least it provides some idea that the Canes would be better off either signing him now, or waiting until next year (or the year after, if Markov's contract doesn't have the NHL exclusion).

[ZJCanesFan]

The worst part about the length of these negotiations with Markov is that the rest of the teams are going about their business of signing/trading for the available players while JR needs to remain in a sort of 'limbo' until a decision on Markov is reached one way or the other. The bottom line is that this all needs to be settled asap, one way or the other... so that the Canes can figure out what they still need to do about their defense. I, for one, would love to see Markov play here but if he wants to be a royal pain and try to hold the Canes up, then let him go... we don't need another Primeau-donna in the making. This uncertainty with Markov is probably the last thing the Canes needed this off-season since they had (and still have) a lot or work to do to shore up their defense. I read that JR met with him yesterday but didn't talk contract since his agent wasn't there and that he is supposed to meet with Markov's agent on Tuesday. Why doesn't there seem to be a sense of urgency about this on either side? There should be, at least on JR's part... maybe not so much on Markov's because he already has the contract offer from Russia to fall back on.
Much has been made about JR's working on trades (some of which fell through at the last moment) for D-men and if they don't sign Markov, then most likely we will have to give up a lot in a trade to get any sort of decent D_man.
One last thing, I'm puzzled a bit about the great interest in Tverdovsky from JR... from everything I've read about him he is a talented offensive defenseman, but is not a very strong force in his own zone. Sounds a bit like Ozo and not necessarily what the Canes need most in a new D-man. Anyone know anything to the contrary about him?

--- ZJ

[stewart123]

Oleg's had more points than penalty minutes 6 out of the past 7 years.

We can't sign him.. if he made contact with Sean Hill, the RBC would be annihilated in the resulting nuclear explosion.

[nccanes]

The worst part about the length of these negotiations with Markov is that the rest of the teams are going about their business of signing/trading for the available players while JR needs to remain in a sort of 'limbo' until a decision on Markov is reached one way or the other. The bottom line is that this all needs to be settled asap, one way or the other... so that the Canes can figure out what they still need to do about their defense.

I don't think we on the outside can really gauge the situation as far as how hard JR is working or what the stumbling blocks along the way are. We are getting small little soundbites - and only those that JR and Markov's agent have given to the press - in the middle of the whole negotiation.

JR did say this in the N&O yesterday:

"It's hard to be patient, but it's the right thing to do at this point," Rutherford said. "We're not going to do anything based on what Danny Markov's status is."


So that tells me they are working other deals ongoing and independently from the Markov situation. So far, Hatcher is the only noteworthy dman to be signed, so we're not the only ones w/o defense they need (Leafs, Lightning for starters).

In any event, it sounds like now the ball is in the money court. JR and PM seem to have convinced him that Raleigh is a place he would want to play.

[nccanes]

But at least it provides some idea that the Canes would be better off either signing him now, or waiting until next year (or the year after, if Markov's contract doesn't have the NHL exclusion).

Okay, I get it. The Canes could do nothing (even if Markov decided he wanted to return) and then just wait until after this season to renegotiate.

Thanks.

[Shell]

BTW, he still has not signed with Phoenix:

3 free agents request arbitration
Coyotes reach deal with Nash
Bob McManaman
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 19, 2003 12:00 AM

Goalie Zac Bierk and top-line forwards Daymond Langkow and Mike Johnson each filed for salary arbitration, but the restricted free agents can continue negotiating with the Coyotes until their cases are set to be heard next month by a judge assigned by the NHL.

Only once during the Coyotes' first seven seasons in the Valley has a player had his contract decided by an arbitrator. It was Langkow, who two years ago was awarded a two-year deal worth $1.95 million and $2.25 million.

"Conceivably, all three could end in a hearing this time," Coyotes Assistant General Manager Laurence Gilman said. "It's a fairly wide-spread market, and the argument could be made by both parties as to the numbers having a fair amount of disparity. In those cases, it is often times that the player elects to go through with the hearing."

Though usually only a handful of arbitration cases are heard in the NHL each summer, Gilman and others predict a significant increase this year because of the uncertainty of the league's labor situation. The NHL's collective bargaining agreement expires in September 2004, and the owners are likely to see a salary cap and luxury-tax system.

Tyson Nash, the Coyotes' newly acquired left wing, chose not to file for arbitration and on Friday agreed to a one-year deal worth $1.29 million. The feisty 5-foot-11 Nash is expected to play on the fourth line alongside right wing Landon Wilson and a center Phoenix likely will add via free agency.

"It's a great opportunity for me," Nash, who bought a home here last week, said Friday from St. Louis. "We've got a young team with some great, young players, and we're trying to build something special. I love it."

Johnson, who led the Coyotes in goals (23), assists (40) and points (63) last season, has his arbitration case scheduled for Aug. 9. He was tendered a qualifying offer of $1.705 million earlier this month by Phoenix, about $150,000 more than he made last year.

Langkow, who finished fourth on the team in scoring with 52 points, has his hearing set for Aug. 6. Bierk, who enjoyed a streak of allowing one goal or fewer in eight straight starts, is set to have his case heard Aug. 2. His situation could prove to be the most interesting.

The Coyotes can only protect two goalies for the NHL waiver draft in early September, meaning Bierk probably will be exposed ahead of veteran Sean Burke and primary backup Brian Boucher. One of them could also be traded to avoid losing another, and even if Bierk is exposed and claimed, he could be retained in time.

If a team selects Bierk in the waiver draft, it must keep him on the active roster for at least 30 days. If not, he is exposed to waivers and the Coyotes have the right to take him back and can reassign him to the minor leagues. If they were to option him last season, he would have been exposed to waivers and likely claimed, so the Coyotes kept all three on the roster.

Phoenix also has three other top restricted free agents it has yet to sign: defenseman David Tanabe, who was tendered an offer of $605,000; and centers Chris Gratton ($2 million) and Jan Hrdina ($1.375 million).

[VandyCane]

I doubt he'll be happy with that offer. He stated that he was robbed in the salary department when he first signed with the Canes and he is worth much more. Thank goodness that is another team's problem now. :roll:

[nccanes]

I doubt he'll be happy with that offer. He stated that he was robbed in the salary department when he first signed with the Canes and he is worth much more. Thank goodness that is another team's problem now. :roll:

Actually, I believe his agent thought the Canes original contract was crap, but Tanabe signed anyway - and his agent quit. His new agent, also thinking the deal was crap was part of the negotiations last summer, wanting to the Canes to make up for the "crap" 3 year deal. The Canes had a different opinion, and Tanabe signed his 1 year deal for the $550k the day before training camp.

I might not be bang on - but I'm close.

No clue as to what he's expecting now, but I don't think he's got much going for him. No arbitration rights for him, correct?

[nccanes]

Dug up the old N&O article from last summer concerning Tanabe's contract. In case anyone is as bored as me. ;):


August 7, 2002
Agent: Tanabe underpaid
Author: Luke DeCock; Staff Writer

Brian Lawton wasn't David Tanabe's agent three years ago when the Carolina Hurricanes defenseman signed a rookie contract Lawton describes as "horrific."


Lawton is Tanabe's agent now, and he said Tuesday that the original contract is the sticking point on a new contract for the popular 22-year-old.

From Lawton's perspective, the Canes should "do the right thing" and offer Tanabe a deal that not only makes up for his first contract but rewards three seasons that he believes have established Tanabe as one of the top defensive prospects in the NHL.

Tanabe, a restricted free agent without arbitration rights, last week turned down the team's qualifying offer of $550,000. Tanabe made $500,000 last season.

He is still at least two years away from receiving arbitration rights. That leaves a training-camp holdout as his only leverage as the Oct. 9 season opener approaches, although Lawton said it's too soon to consider that.

Minnesota-based Lawton said Tanabe's entry-level contract, worth $1.875 million over three years, was "half the signing bonus and half the salary" that Tanabe deserves. He'd like to see Tanabe's base salary brought up to the standards of the rest of his draft class.

Although the agent didn't get into specifics, Lawton's logic points to a salary around $900,000 per year. Nick Boynton, the ninth pick in 1997 by the Boston Bruins, re-signed for $935,000 this summer after his entry-level contract expired.

"The Hurricanes are the team that originally drafted him, and he has pretty good feelings about the team and the direction it's going in," Lawton said. "I'd hate to see that relationship turn sour."

The Canes say that Tanabe's past financial decisions aren't their problem and that the 10 percent raise Tanabe declined is a fair offer for a player who appeared in only one playoff game after struggling through a difficult, injury-plagued season.

After a stellar second season in 2000-01 that earned him recognition as one of the game's top young defensemen, Tanabe struggled last season.

His goals dropped from seven to one and his assists from 22 to 15 as teams learned they could pressure him into turning over the puck.

After scoring two goals in six playoff games in 2001, he broke his wrist in Game 1 of the 2002 playoffs and was unable to crack the lineup after he was cleared to play in the Stanley Cup finals. Niclas Wallin flourished in Tanabe's absence.

That's one reason why the Hurricanes don't agree with Lawton's argument. They dispute Lawton's argument, as well.

"Contracts don't work that way, because if a player doesn't turn out right and his second contract comes along, we don't have a way of going back and giving a player less money," Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford said.

"I don't think we should be viewing his contract as making up for a previous contract. There's lots of time in a player's career to do that -- when he has the production and the performance to ask to make up for what a player thinks he was being underpaid."

Because Tanabe has nowhere else to go -- a restricted free agent with only three years of service, he cannot negotiate with other teams or go to arbitration --the specter of a holdout looms.

"I know where this route goes and where it ends up," Rutherford said of his disappointment at the turn of events. "It wasn't just the fact he didn't take his qualifying offer. It's more where I see this going."

The 16th overall pick in the 1999 draft out of Wisconsin, Tanabe made the Canes' roster but had to sit out the final preseason game when he was unable to come to terms on a contract.

Lewis Gross, Tanabe's agent at the time, insisted he reject the Hurricanes' offer of $1.375 million in base salary and a $500,000 signing bonus.

Gross called the offer "beyond surprising, really mind-boggling." For example, the 17th pick that year, defenseman Barret Jackman, signed with the St. Louis Blues for $2.65 million over three years, including a $1 million bonus.

But Jackman was playing junior hockey, which by the peculiarities of the collective bargaining agreement gave him more leverage than Tanabe had coming out of college.

Tanabe had two options: accept Carolina's offer or spend a full season in junior hockey in British Columbia and renegotiate with Carolina the next summer.

Tanabe accepted; Gross resigned. Tanabe replaced him with Lawton, who earlier this summer represented Carolina defensemen Bret Hedican and Nikos Tselios in cordial contract talks.

Lawton's agency also represents Aaron Ward, whose arbitration hearing is scheduled for Sunday.

As for Tanabe, Lawton said: "The Hurricanes need to be big boys about it. They have to realize they got a great deal on the way in and realize what they've got in David as a player.

"If you looked at the stats and did that draft over again, he'd be one of the top four or five picks. ... We will find how important Tanabe is to the Hurricanes."

[VandyCane]

You are right nccanes, his agents thought it was crap and he ultimately signed for less than his agents thought he was worth. However, he has repeated this "my agents thought I was worth more" stuff to the press whenever contract talks came up. When you have a one year contract you are supposed to play great so you can prove that you are worth more and I never saw that happen. Anyhoo, you can tell I won't miss him greatly. :roll:

[nccanes]

LOL VandyCane.

No problem. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other about Tanabe's contract woes, but it certainly sounds like everyone is better off now. :evil:

[nccanes]

Nah - he hasn't signed or anything (if that's why you thought this thread was resurrected ;).

Found this blurb about Phoenix's off season acquisitions...

Welcome addition: Phoenix Coyotes fans seem happy with the addition of former Predators defenseman Cale Hulse.

A recent poll on the team's Website asked fans to vote on the Coyotes' best summer acquisition. Hulse took first place with 39% of the vote, ahead of forwards Tyson Nash (30%), Mike Sillinger (10%) and Daniel Cleary (9%). He was also ahead of defensemen David Tanabe (9%) and Igor Knyazev (3%).

[MoBigRed]

Nah - he hasn't signed or anything (if that's why you thought this thread was resurrected ;).


What - you mean Tanabe isn't breaking down doors to sign a contract? Shirley, you jest!

The Hurricanes paid him so much less than he was worth, he's going to take it out of the Coyotes' a**.