Kevyn Adams Traded [Archive]

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 10:36 AM

OMG. It's happened:

HURRICANES ACQUIRE SEIDENBERG FOR KEVYN ADAMS

TERRELL WILLIAMS
Phoenix defenseman and two-time Olympian to bolster Hurricanes’ blueline

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE—Jan. 8, 2007

RALEIGH, NC—Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League’s Carolina Hurricanes, announced today that the team has acquired defenseman Dennis Seidenberg (ZIGH-dehn-buhrg) from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for forward Kevyn Adams.

“With some uncertainly concerning when our injured defensemen will be able to return, we needed to make this move now,” Rutherford said. “Dennis will be a good fit for us on defense. We thank Kevyn for his good service during his years in Carolina.”

Seidenberg, 25, is currently in his fourth NHL season, and has one goal and one assist in 32 games with the Coyotes this season. The Schwenningen, Germany, native was drafted by the Philadelphia Flyers in the sixth round (172nd overall) of the 2001 NHL Entry Draft, and has notched 33 points (8g, 25a) and 56 penalty minutes in 158 career NHL games with Philadelphia and Phoenix.

Seidenberg has totaled 71 points (25g, 46a) in 131 career American Hockey League (AHL) with the Philadelphia Phantoms, and helped to lead the Phantoms to the Calder Cup championship in 2005. He represented Germany at the Winter Olympic Games in 2002 in Salt Lake City and 2006 in Torino, Italy, as well as the 2004 World Cup of Hockey.

Kevyn Adams was acquired by Carolina on Jan. 16, 2002 along with Bret Hedican and Tomas Malec in exchange for Sandis Ozolinsh and Byron Ritchie. In 300 games with the Hurricanes, he totaled 38 goals and 34 assists (72 points) and 167 penalty minutes. An alternate captain for the team during the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons, Adams registered one goal and 18 penalty minutes in 48 career playoffs games with Carolina.

livinthedream

01-08-2007, 10:39 AM

I just signed on here to see if there was any info; husband called and said they're getting ready to discuss after the break on 850 the Buzz.

So personally sad to see Kevyn leaving. :(

Kat

01-08-2007, 10:40 AM

I just saw this too, Socal. Not sure who this defenseman is, but we do need more depth defense... seems like we have plenty of depth forwards in our lineup.

I know this will be a blow to the fan community, though.

-Kat

nccanes

01-08-2007, 10:47 AM

Wow. First trade in a long while that hit me in the throat/gut/whatever.

Very sad to see Kevyn leave the org he loved so much.

I wish him the best.

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 10:48 AM

Awe -- Kevyn will be missed. (And, damn! I wanted his little girl to audition for A Christmas Carol!! :( ) Gut kick, fer sure!

I hope this guy gives the team the boost it needs. Wilkommen, Dennis.

c-girl

01-08-2007, 10:49 AM

Gosh, that makes me so sad because I really liked Keyvn. But I guess you do what you gotta do to improve the team.

KaniacFever

01-08-2007, 10:49 AM

This sux. I understand our need for defenseman, but when their all healthy and return the end of this month, we will have 10 defenseman. The most that can play in a game is 7. So that leaves 3 defenseman out.

For some horrible reason, I don't think JR is done. He will make another trade involving one of our defenseman + a forward to get a forward.

nccanes

01-08-2007, 10:50 AM

And this is looking ahead, but this means there will be some movement with our D at some point once everyone gets healthy.

And geez, could JR have choked out a better soundbite than that?

puck_it

01-08-2007, 10:52 AM

Wow. First trade in a long while that hit me in the throat/gut/whatever.

Very sad to see Kevyn leave the org he loved so much.

I wish him the best.

i agree :(

i knew it was a matter of time, and i understand we're in the business to win championships, but i cant help but feel bad for him knowing how much he loved the team.

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 10:55 AM

From a "he's a great guy" perspective, I'm really sorry to see Kevyn leave. From a "you gotta do what you gotta do" perspective, I hope this is a player who will add something we need. I would guess that JR is not yet done on the trading scene, but who knows. I also wonder if this is some indication that Kaberle is not as ready to return as we all hope.

Scottie2hottie

01-08-2007, 10:55 AM

I don't even know what to say...I'm just kinda stunned. :(

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 10:56 AM

I'm a bit stunned, but shouldn't be, but I guess my being stunned comes from being such a Kevyn fan. Talk about the best representative for this team in terms of his ability to click with the fans and the media. There is nobody better at that than our Kevyn. I'm crushed to be honest.

Seidenberg is a pretty solid D man; I'm sure he was on JR's radar from his days in Philly; & If I recall correctly he was a force during the lockout when the Phantoms won the Calder Cup. He also appears to fit Peter's style of play so I'm ok with what we get back. But heck if I know what we'll do when all the bodies become 'healthy'.

Here's Seidenberg's scouting report from TSN.ca- I'm just not sure what 'size' they're referring to- he's 6'1/210:

Scouting Reporthttp://www.tsn.ca/images/elements/pix.gif
Assets: Moves the puck quickly and efficiently out of the defensive zone. Knows when to pinch in from the point and is rather effective with the man advantage.
Flaws: Lacks ideal NHL size and strength. Isn't overly physical and needs to put on more weight to better handle high traffic areas.
Career potential: Top six defenseman.

Thank you Kevyn- for everything.

KaniacFever

01-08-2007, 10:58 AM

Also, we are now lacking a centerman. Who is gonna fill the centering spot on the 4th line: Letowski or LaRose?

Solracer

01-08-2007, 10:59 AM

When's Kevyn's Contract run out.. he'll be back. :)

I am glad to see us get another good young d-man... but I am sure going to miss seeing Kevyn on the ice.

car3hur

01-08-2007, 10:59 AM

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8469619

puck_it

01-08-2007, 11:00 AM

this year... and it depends on how personally he takes it and where our forwards are at...

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 11:02 AM

Also, we are now lacking a centerman. Who is gonna fill the centering spot on the 4th line: Letowski or LaRose?

considering how little Kevyn has been playing, I'm sure the position has been filled with one player or a committee. So JR got another player he3's been watching. He's very patient. this trade is not really much of a surprise since Kevyn seems to have been trade bait most of the season. he will be a good hockey guy for Phoenix as he has been for us. they are getting a good one in the desert.

nccanes

01-08-2007, 11:02 AM

We've double shifted the other centers plenty of times among other solutions, so I'm certain they'll come up with something, but it'll probably change a bit (shift to shift, lol).

There's always Aucoin in Albany (though I suspect we're getting thin on available roster spots)

aldamon

01-08-2007, 11:06 AM

There's always Aucoin in Albany (though I suspect we're getting thin on available roster spots)

I think we should bring up Aucoin and send down Ladd.

Scottie2hottie

01-08-2007, 11:06 AM

this year... and it depends on how personally he takes it and where our forwards are at...

Hopefully he doesn't take it personally. He loves the team so much, one would hope that he understands that this is what needs to be done to be a winning team.

Hope we get what we paid for.

dakuwan

01-08-2007, 11:07 AM

We looked great in the Islanders game, i personally attributed it to the one big change i saw in the lineup. Kevyn being back. Was it the reason, who knows but i like to think so.

Looks like the consipiracy continues to keep me from truly having something "team" signed. I started working on my flag when Kevyn had wrist surgery and now he's off to the west and im missing his Hancock.

I agree we may be seeing him again when his contract runs out. If Tanabe (whose been playing great lately) can come back anyone can.

hyena

01-08-2007, 11:07 AM

oh god I feel sick.

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 11:07 AM

TC- I was thinking the same thing about Kevyn being a good hockey guy- they need a good guy who is really fan friendly in PHX to spread the hockey gospel. ;) Kevyn's that guy for sure.

Seidenberg is on a 2 year $750K per, contract. So we get a burgeoning D-Man with a low $$ commitment, and once again our GM has done his work. Since Whitney wore the A a couple games ago, I'm guessing that he'd be the most obvious alternate captain.

Zamboni

01-08-2007, 11:07 AM

Kevyn, I'll miss you, Mr. Sunshine. :cry:

once everyone gets healthy.

At the rate things have gone on D this year, maybe that won't ever become an issue. :huh: With some of our vets playing through injury regularly, I'm glad to have another young player on the blue line. His point production in the AHL looks pretty impressive, and surely JR had lots of time to watch him play that year.

puck_it

01-08-2007, 11:08 AM

Well, filling Kevyn's role should be fairly easy considering he was seeing 3-5 minutes a game.

but one thing i like about seidenberg already... 16 PIM. nice to see he doesnt take many penalties... well, that means he's smart or he's a pansy... guess we'll find out :beatup:

puck_it

01-08-2007, 11:09 AM

TC- I was thinking the same thing about Kevyn being a good hockey guy- they need a good guy who is really fan friendly in PHX to spread the hockey gospel. ;) Kevyn's that guy for sure.

YOU MEAN THAT WASNT ROENICKS ROLE?

:p

Jay

01-08-2007, 11:12 AM

YOU MEAN THAT WASNT ROENICKS ROLE?

:p

Jeremy Slownick needs to retire. Boo.

Ok, on topic -- I think this is a good move. We've got a lot of "good" 3-4th line forwards. We needed the depth at defense.

I HATE to see Kevin Adams go though. He was one of my favorite players and I wish him the best in Phoenix.

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 11:12 AM

Seidenberg was #22 for the 'yotes. Wonder what number he'll wear here.

And - damn! Phoenix got him off their team roster FAST! I looked him up there 10 minutes ago, and now-- poof! Gone! and Kevyn's there!! :lol: Some of his personal profile was funny and I was going to post that, but when I just went back---nothin'!!

nccanes

01-08-2007, 11:14 AM

RIO

01-08-2007, 11:15 AM

Great. Super. Kevyn traded. Just what I wanted to wake up to.

Staalgurl, you were right, dear. I didn't believe he'd go, and he did.

SouthernHockeyChick

01-08-2007, 11:17 AM

Well, I'm a little surprised I'm not more upset about losing Kevyn. Maybe it's because I've got other crap going on today so it doesn't seem so significant.

Anyway, I hate to see him go. He was never a real favorite of mine but I can see how great he is for the organization and I hate to see his family uprooted from a place they love.

However, Seidenberg is a player I've liked for a while. I'm pretty happy to see him here. I know StormShaman will be, too. :D

Best of luck to you, Kevyn! I hope Phoenix is as good to you as you were to us!

puck_it

01-08-2007, 11:18 AM

corylav

01-08-2007, 11:20 AM

Sad to see Kevyn go, but this is the best thing for his career.

As for Seidenberg, he's a pretty good get, I think. With the exception of Walser, JR's d-man acquisitions the past couple seasons have worked out well.

So does this make Erik our union rep now?

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 11:21 AM

Aside from what he brought to the ice (at least historically) the void he leaves in the Community will be big. I hope some of our other players step into that void.

At the Jimmy V this year, the crowd at his hole was the largest of any of the other Canes we saw. Perhaps it was just a high traffic area when we stumbled upon him, but it certainly wasn't by total accident. Everyone LOVES Kevyn.

Makes me want to write him a letter of thanks and send it out to the desert.

The letter is a great idea, E. No, It's a fantastic idea. Especially in this situation.

Was it the booster club (?) or some fans who sent a 'good luck letter' in an ad for Marty Gelinas when he was in CGY? I'm mixing up the Glen Wesley letter to the editor when he left for TO and when Ronnie got traded, but I wanna say some fans sent well wishes to Marty when CGY made it to the finals- My mind is slippin ya'll....

And E's comment about Kevyn at the Jimmy V, and in general, is sooooo true. And Kevyn had that way of signing away on everything in front of him, and chatting up fans he recognized, asking them about their kids, their summer, and answering people hurling questions at him at the same time. THAT is what I'll miss. I too, hope someone on the team picks up where Kevyn left off. Big shoes for sure.

Ok, now I'm kinda depressed. :(

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 11:22 AM

Well, the one nice thing is, you never get the feeling that bridges are burned when players leave --- from either their direction or the 'Canes organization. So you never know... there could come a time when he'll wear the eye again-- he's still relatively young.

As they say.. when one door closes, another one opens. And aren't we happy Kevyn got his Cup ring with us?! :D

PennsylvaniaCanesFan

01-08-2007, 11:23 AM

Farewell Kevyn...you will be missed.

I kinda like the trade though. We lost a gritty hard working centerman and replaced him with a younger, top six D-man. With Kevyn being a free agent this year, I think he will be back...unless Phoenix really likes him a lot and offers him a nice long term deal. I think this could have been a move for the future, more then the now. If we get something out of him this year, great. If not...build him up for the long term. As everyone has stated before, I think something bigger is coming down the pipeline...probally right before the break. Probally a D-man and a forward and a draft pick for a good or great foreward.

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 11:23 AM

^^^^ CL- there ya go- you cheered me up.

WOOO! totally happy that he got that ring with us................

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 11:24 AM

:lol:, Socal!!

I'm trying to be like a player -- never get too low or too high. :beatup:

nccanes

01-08-2007, 11:25 AM

So does this make Erik our union rep now?

I saw something just recently that said Commodore was the "alternate". Can't remember where tho.

Scottie2hottie

01-08-2007, 11:28 AM

Probally a D-man and a forward and a draft pick for a good or great foreward.

Please God don't let that forward be Walker...*knocks on wood*

corylav

01-08-2007, 11:30 AM

As a total aside ... I'm sure this means Mike Ricci will retire in the coming days.

Now Brindy will stand alone as most battle-scarred player in the NHL :D

PennsylvaniaCanesFan

01-08-2007, 11:31 AM

^^ I guess that's why don't get too attached to players.

Zamboni

01-08-2007, 11:32 AM

I hate to speculate about trades, but I'm not thinking we'll see another move right away.

Edited to add that battle-scars are beautiful.

KaniacFever

01-08-2007, 11:33 AM

Please God don't let that forward be Walker...*knocks on wood*

Could be Belanger as his contract is up the end of the year as well. And I would think that we have a better shot at keeping Walker than Belanger. Walker seems happier here than Belanger, but of course that's just my opinion.

puck_it

01-08-2007, 11:33 AM

Please God don't let that forward be Walker...*knocks on wood*
that would never happen. We need him too much right now.

^i think belanger may feel a bit out of place still... Him being a french-canadien comin on down to the south... I'm sure he's still got a bit of culture shock going.

BrindAmourFan

01-08-2007, 11:35 AM

That's what I get for sleeping in this morning...wake up to bad news. :( I will yield to the higher-ups for guiding us in the right direction; surely they know better than me what's right and what's not, but I will certainly miss Kevyn. He was my "parking buddy" at RecZone this summer and has always been a bright spot on the team.

Good luck, KAds...we will miss you!!

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 11:35 AM

:lol:, Socal!!

I'm trying to be like a player -- never get too low or too high. :beatup:

Yeah CL- I tried that once upon a time too, it lasted all of 5 minutes. :lol: With my penchant for tears, being overly emotional and all that jazz, I'm just not good at being like a player, although I love that classic hockey player sound bite.

And seriously, you did cheer me up. ;)

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 11:36 AM

Please God don't let that forward be Walker...*knocks on wood*

It's a real possibility though. He too is a UFA this summer. It would be difficult to sign him if you also want to try and keep Whitney after Cam Ward gets his money. I'm curious whether JR's had any talks with Walker to see if he has a strong desire to return to Nashville or interest in sticking around.

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 11:37 AM

Bonbonsgrrl

01-08-2007, 11:40 AM

what a way to start the first day of classes....i can tell this is gonna be a bad semester with this news today.
Its a sad day since he was a PKer...i haven't seen him on there lately since LaRose has been doing it....

car3hur

01-08-2007, 11:41 AM

It's a real possibility though. He too is a UFA this summer. It would be difficult to sign him if you also want to try and keep Whitney after Cam Ward gets his money. I'm curious whether JR's had any talks with Walker to see if he has a strong desire to return to Nashville or interest in sticking around.

I would think he'd want to stay. The rest of 'da boyz' seem to like him, as on more than one occasion, has stuck up for his teammates and either gotten in the mix when anyone's done something to one of our guys, or fought someone! (the fight he had with one of the Isles players less than a month ago is just one example, although I forget who it was that he fought)

Plus, the guy can skate, and assist pretty well. Oh yeah, he can score occasionally too! ;)

No way he goes anywhere.

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 11:42 AM

listen up JR, we are NOT taking Vasicek back:evil:

Well I did mean that from the standpoint of going back as a free agent.

And as for Belanger, yeah it's hard to tell if he's happy or not, but if he can survive six years in LA, I think he can deal with us. ;) Still, LA is all he's known as a pro player, so maybe he'd be inclined to return as well. Just as we talk about Kevyn possibly coming back, so could these two.

goalie33

01-08-2007, 11:43 AM

Am I happy that Kevyn's out? Absolutely not. However, with his diminished minutes and his roles (other than shortie scoring) pretty much taken over by Chad, I wouldn't begrudge him a new home. Also, Seidenberg is solid as a rock. I remember being very impressed with his all-around game in Philly. I think everyone's comig up a winner here.

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 11:45 AM

Yeah CL- I tried that once upon a time too, it lasted all of 5 minutes. :lol: With my penchant for tears, being overly emotional and all that jazz, I'm just not good at being like a player, although I love that classic hockey player sound bite.

And seriously, you did cheer me up. ;)

Good! :D I've done pretty good with tears over the years. The only trade, so far, that made me shed any was when Ronnie left.

Maybe Kevyn will get more ice time in Phoenix and help lead them to making the playoffs for the 1st time. And maybe Dennis will really find his groove here and help us make the plxyxffs two years in a row.

Nice! :beatup: I'm even cheering up MYSELF, SoCal!! :lol:

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 11:45 AM

in professional sports unless there is a no trade clause, you can never say never. the salary capped NHL is going to be all about players moving, through choice or through trade.

I love Walker and hope he stays, but I don't think it's a given. Until and unless JR screws it all up, I'm trusting whatever decisions he makes (as if I have any say in the matter;) ).

nccanes

01-08-2007, 11:46 AM

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 11:46 AM

No way he goes anywhere.

And you don't think he liked or stood up for his guys in Nashville when he was their CAPTAIN! But sometimes it's not about what players like as this is still a business. You think Aaron Ward didn't like it here? You think Matt Cullen wasn't everybody's buddy? A lot of factors figure in to whether a player stays and whether he likes it here is just one of them. You have to remember the Canes are no longer a team with loads of cap space and JR does NOT like being too close to the cap either as he loves the flexibility to manuever.

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 11:48 AM

Well I did mean that from the standpoint of going back as a free agent.

I know. It's just that any talk of Nashville makes me shudder at the thought of Vasicek being back here;)

Belanger is too French to be outwardly happy:lol:

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 11:49 AM

I'm trusting whatever decisions he makes (as if I have any say in the matter;) ).

What?!? Are you implying we don't have impeachment powers? I'm a season ticket holder damn it! Isn't that supposed to be one of my benefits?

Scottie2hottie

01-08-2007, 11:49 AM

Belanger is too French to be outwardly happy:lol:

:laugh:

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 11:52 AM

Yes... I often see him smoking a cigarette, wearing a beret, and singing sad Jacque Brel songs.......:smoke:

nccanes

01-08-2007, 11:54 AM

So I've been reading elsewhere and one thing I read is that Seidenberg hasn't cracked their lineup on their recent (successful) roadtrip.

I realize our D is decimated, but I kinda hopped we'd get another top 6, rather than another non-top 6 guy. Am I missing something?

Yeah, I looked it up. Hasn't played the last 4 road games.

Oh well, I Peter can fire him up.

(And I hope Cole isn't too upset over the trade. I know they were close.)

Scottie2hottie

01-08-2007, 11:54 AM

*pepe le pew voice* where are you my leeeetle pigeon? i am lookinks for yoooou. :lol:

car3hur

01-08-2007, 11:55 AM

Yes... I often see him smoking a cigarette, wearing a beret, and singing sad Jacque Brel songs.......:smoke:

:lol:...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/350626502_d03063cbc8_m.jpg

RIO

01-08-2007, 11:55 AM

Belanger is too French to be outwardly happy:lol:

A nice big plate of Freedom Fries ought to clear that up. ;) :smoke: <---Jean Reno smoking yellow cigarette in Paris

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 11:59 AM

So I've been reading elsewhere and one thing I read is that Seidenberg hasn't cracked their lineup on their recent (successful) roadtrip.

Well Phoenix is pretty deep on defense which is why they were willing to deal. And fan love aside, Kads wasn't going to bring you a huge return anyway. But that said, maybe this deal's been in the works for a while and Seidenberg was being held out while Kads recovered from surgery and the staph infection. His game against the Islanders was probably a bit of a showcase to show that he was healthy again and ready to go.

Scottie2hottie

01-08-2007, 12:00 PM

And a salad with Freedom Dressing? And some Freedom toast for breakfast? :beatup:

RIO

01-08-2007, 12:02 PM

And a salad with Freedom Dressing? And some Freedom toast for breakfast? :beatup:

And many other carbohydrates, followed closely by some Freedom kissing. :evil:

Staalgurl4ever

01-08-2007, 12:03 PM

Bad Trade!!!

goalie33

01-08-2007, 12:03 PM

Meh, that's not as funny as I thought it was.

RIO

01-08-2007, 12:07 PM

Bad Trade!!!

Agreed. I'm fit to be tied. I know he's not like Ray or Cory, but I actually LIKED Kevyn. :( Not a stuck-up, athletic jerkwad bone in his body. Then again, this is why I don't run a sports team. I look at people, not stats. I'd probably be bankrupt.

I'm not going to like anyone any more. New Year's resolution. I hate you all. :smoke:

StormShaman

01-08-2007, 12:08 PM

apolinar

01-08-2007, 12:10 PM

RIO

01-08-2007, 12:10 PM

Wow, errr....damn.

Talk about a "good morning" call--I log on and the first thing I get is:

"KAdams to Coyotes for that dman you like"

And instead of exploding with joy (because I am a fan of Dennis Seidenberg), I've been commisserating with several friends of mine via IM because it had to be Kevyn that got traded.

:(

(Herzlich Willkommen, Dennis)

Yeah, sorry this has clouded your joy, Cammers. It's hard to pat your sad friends while feeling rather happy-sad yourself. Oh the ambivalence.

New Year's resolution. No more ambivalence. I hate everything. :smoke:

nccanes

01-08-2007, 12:14 PM

Ap, I'm wondering the same thing about chemistry since I put Kevyn in that "loved" category like Gelinas.

But honestly, it seemed like something was not normal with him anyway. I'd like to think that these grown men don't harbor illwill for this long (referring to the Hedican tussle), but it was so hush-hush after that happened with no one laughing it off as "boys will be boys" that I wonder if this isn't a solution, rather than a problem.

Then again, even though we have scads (it seems) of little hustlers that don't put up points, Kevyn is the only that has a deal expiring this year, right? So it makes him the most logical to go (all that other stuff aside).

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 12:16 PM

Good luck Kev's. my favorite guy by far in the autograph line.

Here's what I'm looking out for. Does this move improve the emotion or remove the emotion from this team? Do players play harder? the questions are all there. Because this could be a major blow to team chemistry. I'm betting chemistry will worsen before it gets better with this move. (I see Kevyn as a Darren Langdon chemistry guy. I hope this trade doesn't end up like Langdon's when all emotion was sucked outta the team when he left).

JR certainly likes former flyers

Kevyn is a really good guy, but I don't think the team will be worse because of this trade. I know he was well liked, but he had not been an on ice factor all season. If this trade affects how hard they play, we're in trouble. these are not big name players or a big time trade. if Seidenberg contributes to the win column it will all be good, in and out of the room.

c-girl

01-08-2007, 12:20 PM

Agreed. I'm fit to be tied. I know he's not like Ray or Cory, but I actually LIKED Kevyn. :( Not a stuck-up, athletic jerkwad bone in his body. Then again, this is why I don't run a sports team. I look at people, not stats. I'd probably be bankrupt.

I'm not going to like anyone any more. New Year's resolution. I hate you all. :smoke:

This has been a wake-up call for me. As most of you know, I'm a relatively new fan - just into my 2nd year. One thing about this team - for me - is how much I LIKE these guys. I mean truly like them - as much as you can like somebody you don't actually know. I like the way they play, the way some of them love this area and the fans, the way they represent us, the way they conduct their private lives. I mean, I guess, I'm so proud of them and I tend to give my heart to them. Keyvn is so personable and this has hit me hard. The trades last year and the ones this year so far haven't hit so hard but I really liked Keyvn. How do you "old timers" deal with this? If Commie ever gets traded, you'll just have to put me under. :(

Captain Slack

01-08-2007, 12:22 PM

Damn! :(

I'd been meaning to get my red jersey personalized my Kevyn's number & our shared last name. Never did it and now it's too late. *sigh*

Good luck in Phoenix, my man. Hope to see you back home eventually.

:beer:

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 12:24 PM

Here's what I'm looking out for. Does this move improve the emotion or remove the emotion from this team? Do players play harder? the questions are all there. Because this could be a major blow to team chemistry. I'm betting chemistry will worsen before it gets better with this move. (I see Kevyn as a Darren Langdon chemistry guy. I hope this trade doesn't end up like Langdon's when all emotion was sucked outta the team when he left).

Guess that depends on what side of the fence you were on about the Kads-Hedican throwdown earlier in the year.

On a side note, I'd forgotten this until I saw it in the TSN report. The game against the Islanders was Kads 300th game with the Hurricanes.

SouthernHockeyChick

01-08-2007, 12:25 PM

It'll get easier, CG. The first few players I saw traded upset me a lot. But, you'll start to love the new guys and you'll start to realize that your love really is with the team, and not the individual players. I mean, you love the players but, you realize there are a ton of great guys out there playing hockey and we have the kind of org who isn't going to employ the jackasses, and you'll love the newbies, too. The personnel changes, but your love of the team stays the same.

Kevyn is a hard one because he really is a special guy. But personally, it was getting hard to watch the special guy sitting on the bench or in the pressbox all the time and see people speculating on what was up. We were getting close to "locker room cancer" type speculation and I could not have taken that about Kevyn.

Caniac

01-08-2007, 12:25 PM

One thing you'll have to learn if you're going to be a hockey fan is to either not get too attached to the individual players or just follow them from team to team.

Because they WILL get traded. Commdore included.

car3hur

01-08-2007, 12:26 PM

Because they WILL get traded. Commdore included.

nuh-uhh!! :shakesheadno:

;)

c-girl

01-08-2007, 12:29 PM

Thanks, y'all. Intellectually, I know that any of them could be traded at any time (except those with no-trade clauses unless they agree and I don't know who they are) but emotionally it is hard. I like all of them - even Tanabe - but some of them just have a soft spot in my heart - Kevyn, Commie, Justin, Ray, Cam, Rod (though I don't think he's going anywhere), Rosey, even Grahame. Oh, well, I'm certainly old enough to get over it.

RIO

01-08-2007, 12:29 PM

This has been a wake-up call for me. As most of you know, I'm a relatively new fan - just into my 2nd year. One thing about this team - for me - is how much I LIKE these guys. I mean truly like them - as much as you can like somebody you don't actually know. I like the way they play, the way some of them love this area and the fans, the way they represent us, the way they conduct their private lives. I mean, I guess, I'm so proud of them and I tend to give my heart to them. Keyvn is so personable and this has hit me hard. The trades last year and the ones this year so far haven't hit so hard but I really liked Keyvn. How do you "old timers" deal with this? If Commie ever gets traded, you'll just have to put me under. :(

I can't speak for any one else, but for me, the unpleasant shock of losing a favorite player never gets easier. It's always unpleasant and continues to be unpleasant. I don't think like a GM. They go through the trouble of trying to get the fan base to get attached to the players so butts will fill seats and there will be brand loyalty, and then-- bam -- Mr. Super Guy is traded to the other side of the country.

It's the nature of sports, I suppose, which is completely alien to me. I was never athletic except for swim team, and being a punk/poor kid, I really loathed jocks (nightmarish pecking order of my school, which is an entirely different story), so when I find someone that I can not only like as a human being but also cheer for, it's a rare thing. For me, trading away my favorite players is like dunking a cat in water.

If Mike gets traded, we'll wrap you up tightly in a sheet and play Enya until you calm down.

Fuschimuschi

01-08-2007, 12:30 PM

Hello from Germany.
I'll kinda follow the Canes from far away as good as I can. I never posted much
a) because my English is very rusty
b) I don't see many Canes games and you have all the news.

I wish I could tell you that Dennis is an awesome defenseman but he certainly isn't but at least I can tell you that he's a fine young man with a strong character and will always play as good as he's capable off.

Unfortunately he had to battle through quite some injuries in his nhl time.

Well, I hope he can help the Canes until the other guys are back. He sure will give his best because that's how he is.

RIO

01-08-2007, 12:30 PM

follow them from team to team.

Sound advice!

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 12:31 PM

How do you "old timers" deal with this?

I don't think you can ever really learn to deal with it. It's just the way each person's personality is. Some fans tend to bond with individual players while others bond more to the team. The former will always have trouble with trades and free agency and the latter will always tend to be clinical about what was best for the team. I've definitely been accused of being the latter and it's true.

But chin up. The league is chock full of quailty guys. It's one of the best aspects about hockey. There will always be personable, fan favorite players (though admittedly they won't get much better than Kevyn). And as a new fan, you can use this as an opportunity to broaden your attention to hockey by following Kads and his new career in the desert.

RIO

01-08-2007, 12:31 PM

StormShaman

01-08-2007, 12:35 PM

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 12:36 PM

(for those who are new or have been under a rock, yes I speak German)

Well it ain't Dutch, but I guess it's still admirable. ;)

Zamboni

01-08-2007, 12:37 PM

Welcome to the board!! :)

I'll second that! And your written English is great; certainly much better than my German. :beatup:

Well, an awesome D-man would have been a pleasant surprise, but we'll take a good guy who works hard. Maybe he will turn out to be awesome for us! Sometimes that happens.

^I only know two Dutch phrases, neither of which seem appropriate for this board. I was wondering if you were Dutch.

StormShaman

01-08-2007, 12:39 PM

Well it ain't Dutch, but I guess it's still admirable. ;)

Well if they'd taught Dutch when I was in high school, things would be a lil' different now. :D

Zamboni

01-08-2007, 12:40 PM

^Since you know English and German, you are apparently 2/3 of the way to speaking Dutch. Or so I've heard (from my German friend, fluent in English, who learned Dutch while he post-doc'ed in Eindhoven.) He has a Dutch wife now.

And I think we're officially off-topic.

nccanes

01-08-2007, 12:40 PM

I wish I could tell you that Dennis is an awesome defenseman but he certainly isn't

:lol: Thanks for the straight scoop Fuschi! And welcome!

Scottie2hottie

01-08-2007, 12:43 PM

*dusts off the foreign language area of her brain*

Wilkommen!

SouthernHockeyChick

01-08-2007, 12:43 PM

^Since you know English and German, you are apparently 2/3 of the way to speaking Dutch. Or so I've heard.

Yeah, but that las 1/3 is a real *****. :lol:

Fuschimuschi, I'm curious. Do you say he's not an awesome defenseman mostly because of all his injuries over the last year or so? Or do you think the potential isn't even there? Pre-lockout with Philly I always felt he could develop nicely.

apolinar

01-08-2007, 12:45 PM

Seidenberg can't be bad when in one day a German fan comes to our board to back him up. Looks good already. Welcome fuschimuschi (That is one of the top names to come on this board in a while. It's just fun.)

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 12:46 PM

I was wondering if you were Dutch.

Yes I was, but I moved here when I was 5 and that was before man landed on the moon. ;)

Caniac

01-08-2007, 12:47 PM

So... you're saying that Neil Armstrong knows as much Dutch as you? :lol:

Alright back on topic. It's going to be weird to not see Kevyn in the eye anymore...

TheCaptain

01-08-2007, 12:58 PM

You're a good dude and a hardworking player. Thanks for taking the time to talk to my kid.

We'll miss you. Good luck in Phoenix.

SouthernHockeyChick

01-08-2007, 01:01 PM

Fghtr4jc

01-08-2007, 01:02 PM

This kills me, but I don't think he'll stay in the West forever. We traded CAds once and he's back on our team. Let's hope this trip to PHX will improve KAds and he'll come back better than ever. (And yes, I am in denial that Kevyn is gone, im gonna go watch his segment on my championship dvd because his daughter always makes me smile).

Teaching 4's

01-08-2007, 01:02 PM

NOT HOW I WANT TO SPEND MY LUNCH HOUR... :cry:

I hate this, I hate this, I hate this, I feel like I want to kick someone in the face, cry and then I need a hug. (glad I got that off my chest)

Wow, I knew (deep down) that this might happen, but I personally thought he skated great on Saturday Night, and I celebrated his 300th game with the Canes.

My heart does not want to like the new dman, although I know we need him, and all that "stuff", but there is a part of me that thinks if I like the new guy I"m turning my back on Kevyn. ( I know I'm not, but I said "I feel like). I know time will heal all wounds, but it still hurts. :(

I was glad to hear that the "new guy" is "a fine young man with a strong character and will always play as good as he's capable off."

But it looks like I have to start reading the Coyotes website more often.;)

NOW I MUST MOVE ON... :sick: :sick:

apolinar

01-08-2007, 01:04 PM

Seidenberg is already on the CH.com roster as #4.

They also already have his bio up, including the fun, personal facts stuff that usually takes a year. It still isn't up for Belanger or Gleason. Maybe that's just a reflection of the new webmaster. Or, maybe, along with Seidenberg's absence from recent Phoenix games, that's an indication that this trade has been a given for a while now.

From the bio:

The one thing that he wants to do before he retires is win the Stanley Cup¦He played for the Phantoms and helped them win the Calder Cup during the lockout¦Goes through two or three sticks in a week. His greatest fear is heights. Oatmeal is his favorite cereal. Black Eyed Peas is the last group that he downloaded onto his Ipod/MP3 player. Ham is his favorite pizza topping.The type of music that he dislikes the most is techno.

How dare he dislike my favorite music style!! :fire: :fire: :smoke:

Zamboni

01-08-2007, 01:08 PM

How dare he dislike my favorite music style!! :fire: :fire: :smoke:

LOL! Let's go clubbing!

He looks like he's eaten plenty of oatmeal.

Sounds like the webmaster just needs to interview Belanger and Gleason (or give them the form to fill out.)

RIO

01-08-2007, 01:08 PM

How dare he dislike my favorite music style!! :fire: :fire: :smoke:

It's not techno, but I heard Sir Mix-a-lot yesterday and I thought of you. lol

puck_it

01-08-2007, 01:09 PM

the thing that really blows... if he stays in phoenix, it will be 3 years before he plays in the RBC again

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 01:10 PM

Ham is his favorite pizza topping

:lol: For some reason, that just makes me laugh.

What do you want on your pizza?
Ham

:lol:

SouthernHockeyChick

01-08-2007, 01:10 PM

Ham is his favorite pizza topping

What is it with Germans and the cured meats. :beatup:

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 01:12 PM

Yes! And when we took a train in Germany, once, they gave us a slab of salami on a hard roll for breakfast!! :eek2:

SouthernCaniac

01-08-2007, 01:16 PM

I will forever have the memory of Kevyn slowly skating around the perimeter of the ice after the Cup was awarded, holding his daughter. I swear, he tried to make eye contact with as many of the fans as he could, saying thank you. What a moment. No matter where he goes now, he will always belong to Raleigh.

Scottie2hottie

01-08-2007, 01:18 PM

Yes! And when we took a train in Germany, once, they gave us a slab of salami on a hard roll for breakfast!! :eek2:

Well, it's more better for you than an Egg McMuffin :lol:

ONeillsNo1Fan

01-08-2007, 01:19 PM

This is going to take me a VERY long time to get over.
:( :cry: :( :cry: :(

CANESFREAKinDET

01-08-2007, 01:24 PM

This is going to take me a VERY long time to get over.
:( :cry: :( :cry: :(

Me TOO girl. I basically poured my heart out about this in the Ladies Thread, where we've been discussing dear Kevyn.

I get a new fave, or close-to fave, and he gets traded *sigh* Who the heck is next? :cry: I know we're trading him for someone we need, and all that jazz, but seriously, is it selfish of me to scoff at that right about now? I feel like putting a finger in each ear and yelling "LALALALALALALALAAAAA not listening!!" This BLOWS, you guys.

:(

Scandinavian

01-08-2007, 01:37 PM

Agreed. I'm fit to be tied. I know he's not like Ray or Cory, but I actually LIKED Kevyn. :( Not a stuck-up, athletic jerkwad bone in his body. Then again, this is why I don't run a sports team. I look at people, not stats. I'd probably be bankrupt.

ditto..i was just thinking that this is why i work with children and don't run my own business :lol:

I'm sad to see Kevyn go, it seems he was always happy and cheerful :(

corylav

01-08-2007, 01:46 PM

The whole "he likes ham" vs. Stormy thing could really cause some problems.

Scandinavian

01-08-2007, 01:47 PM

The whole "he likes ham" vs. Stormy thing could really cause some problems.

:lol:

Fuschimuschi

01-08-2007, 01:50 PM

Yeah, but that las 1/3 is a real *****. :lol:

Fuschimuschi, I'm curious. Do you say he's not an awesome defenseman mostly because of all his injuries over the last year or so? Or do you think the potential isn't even there? Pre-lockout with Philly I always felt he could develop nicely.

Thanks for the more than nice welcome everyone. :)
Well, the potential was certainly there. He played really great in the AHL and even made the all-star game and also had a decent first season but he never really improved sadly which I felt was because of the injuries.

I thought the trade to Phoenix was a good thing and that the 'new NHL' would fit his style but apparently that didn't work out that well and maybe he just is not going to get better.

Hey, what's wrong with cured meat? Even though I prefer a 'lecker Mettbrötchen'! :D
http://www.thomas-langens.de/rezepte/img/mettbroetchen1.jpg

And yes, if you mix German with English is really sounds a little bit like Dutch. I live in the north of Germany and here we speak a dialect called Platt and it's pretty close to Dutch as well.

Scandinavian

01-08-2007, 02:02 PM

*dusts off the foreign language area of her brain*

Wilkommen!

darn..when are we going to get a norwegian on this team so i can show my skills :lol: ok well i speak swedish too...

I understand written and spoken german since I lived in Heidelberg for a while, but i'm too chicken to try and speak it :D

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 02:09 PM

Is that a picture of raw meat?

Scandinavian

01-08-2007, 02:11 PM

haha yeah...I remember my parents tried to serve it the first time i brought my ex-boyfriend home :lol: poor boy even ate it

nccanes

01-08-2007, 02:21 PM

I meant to turn to 850 right at 3pm, so I don't know if there's been any discussion or announcement that they'll have any related interviews (JR or JK since I'm sure Kevyn is flying to join PHX as we speak), but I found this article at ch.com.

How incredibly classy for Kevyn to agree to attend a press conf here following the trade announcement.

Despite the initial disappointment at leaving a place where he had been for five successful years, Adams seemed like his normal upbeat and good-natured self at a press conference Monday morning.

"Whenever you get traded you're shocked," said Adams. "But I'm excited to go a team that's been playing well and looking for me to be a big part of their team. It's tough leaving when you've made a lot of great friends and gone through a lot with the guys here, but I'm excited about it."

Although sad to see Adams go, Hurricanes Head Coach Peter Laviolette feels that the trade will be good for all involved in the long run.

"Sometimes a trade provides an opportunity for both players, and that's what we're hoping for," said Laviolette of Adams and Seidenberg. "It's not an easy thing because Kevyn has been a good player for us and was a big part of what happened last year. But in the same sense, it's a great opportunity for him."

Adams will likely see more playing time in Phoenix than he did with Carolina this year. He did not feature as prominently on the penalty kill as he did in years past, with the Hurricanes' fourth line also not seeing the ice as much.

Laviolette attributes that to the way the season has gone thus far rather than any unhappiness with Adams' play.

"We've been digging and clawing at every game and coming from behind," said Laviolette. "Not as often as I'd like are we in a position to roll all four lines and chew up the clock and beat teams down in waves."

"Another reason was our depth and personnel," he added. "We've got a lot of penalty killers. We've always felt that it's better with shorter numbers. He was a good player for us and again, it's an opportunity for him."

Adams, always the consummate professional, expressed no hard feelings and insisted he will always look back on his time in Carolina with nothing but fond memories.

Of course, playing in two Stanley Cup Finals and finally winning last year doesn't hurt.

"This organization has been so great to me and my family and my career in general," he said. "There's super good guys in that locker room. What we went through last year will always be something that you're bonded for forever."

"I think if you had told me five years ago that I'd have the chance to play in two Stanley Cups and win one, I would be pretty thrilled," he added. "It's been an incredible five years."

Zamboni

01-08-2007, 02:48 PM

^ Kevyn is officially one of the most gracious people of all time.

CaniacKikiBB13

01-08-2007, 02:58 PM

Awwww, Kev-Kev. This one hurts. Bad. I miss him already. :(

Good luck, Kevyn!

WillLikeWhoa091

01-08-2007, 03:26 PM

So I guess I'm the only one that's not all that upset over this trade.

Kevyn's minutes have dwindled down to near nothing lately, and his play hasn't exactly been inspired either. Add in the fact that you've got a much younger version of him playing on our roster (Roseyyyyy!), and suddenly, you've got an expendable player. Granted, he was wearing the "A", but c'mon... we've got Whitney, Hedican, Walker... etc. etc. Plenty of veteran leaders that can plop that thing on their jersey and lead alongside Stillman / Wesley / Rod the Bod.

Add in the fact that we're getting a young defenseman that I'm sure JR has had his eye on for a while. Seidenberg (sp?) looks like he's a good offensive-minded defenseman that doesn't take stupid penalties (or he's a pansy as someone mentioned earlier). Gretzky's play style is not as up-tempo as Laviolette's, and I bet we'll see improved production out of him without a problem.

Personally, I think this is a good trade (not quite a GREAT trade) but definitely one that is needed. I wish K.Ads all the luck in the world, and he'll always have a spot in my heart to go with Cullen / A.Ward / Weight / Rechhi... but we're running a business and trying to win a championship. Personally, if K.Ads had stayed here, I don't think that he would factor in as much as we all would like and hope for him to.

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 03:28 PM

E^^^ thanks for posting that piece from the press conference.

I agree with Zamboni totally about Kevyn. OMG he attended his own trade press conf. Graciousness doesn't even begin to cover it, but it's so darn true.

Perhaps Kevyn could have given his buddy Adam Gold/850 a few pointers in graciousness, because that clod came on just as I got in my car leaving the gym. He built up the 'it's a good trade( I could swear he has read these boards because some of the things he was saying sounded like ya'll's posts and like he had them up on his computer) if we're looking at what's needed for each team' slant and then tiptoed ever so lightly around not completely stomping on the toes of the Canes front office, and then BAM, blasted JR for the 'wording' of press release. Calling it "Weak" and "it should have been done better" and then proceeded to dictate off the top of his head what he thought JR should have said in his prepared statement.

Yeah, I guess there could have been more "words" said in the statement, that I agree with- but I HAVE to believe that JR and Kevyn had a nice private conversation (especially in light of this appearance at the press conference) and JR said all the things we would expect he would say to him. Gold may be 'buds' with KAds, and want to stick up for him, but I think it's mighty weak that he's calling out the GM -might have been wise for him to cool off a bit from the shock instead of blasting the OrganEYEzation (as he sarcastically said in his never ending monologue).

I honestly tuned in thinking since they're friends, that maybe Kevyn would have done an interview before he headed out to PHX. I should've known better.

Will- my guess is you're less upset because you're not locally based- i.e. in Raleigh right? Kevyn's contributions, and subsequent 'following' are because of his endless contributions to the Triangle. they can't be measured. Yep, it's a business, yep, things changed for Kevyn- and we'll all move on like he will. Still stings for all of us though.

puck_it

01-08-2007, 03:32 PM

well in that case

KISS MY ASS ADAM GOLD

:)

nccanes

01-08-2007, 03:37 PM

I think it's obvious that everyone is admitting it's their fondness for Kevyn that makes them sad about the trade. That's certianly understandable for a player like that. It's not like we're crying over the Pavel Brendl trade.

Personally, I'm more sad "for Kevyn" than for me as a fan of him or this team. He's worn his heart on his sleeve for this organization for so long and wasn't ashamed or embarrassed to let it be known he wanted to finish his career here. Of course, things may have changed that opinion, but nonetheless, you want good things for good people. Hopefully he'll find that in PHX.

As far as what we recieve - well time will tell what that's worth to us. Hopefully a lot. One would have to think that Seidenberg is very happy to be here where he can make a contribution. Time will tell - but for now it's a bandaid, not a final piece of the puzzle to "win a championship".

car3hur

01-08-2007, 03:58 PM

well in that case

KISS MY ASS ADAM GOLD

:)

It's prolly cause it's Monday but...who's Adam Gold? :confused: <--not like its THAT hard to do so!

WillLikeWhoa091

01-08-2007, 04:00 PM

Will- my guess is you're less upset because you're not locally based- i.e. in Raleigh right? Kevyn's contributions, and subsequent 'following' are because of his endless contributions to the Triangle. they can't be measured. Yep, it's a business, yep, things changed for Kevyn- and we'll all move on like he will. Still stings for all of us though.

A good point. I lived in Raleigh in 01-02, and again in 02-03 (8 month break).

I do however intend to move back to Raleigh once I get my degree in Print Journalism. I'd love to work with either the News and Observer or 850 The Buzz as I love the concept of sports-talk radio.

Regardless, I've also got a penchant to not look at the human-being side of things when it comes to hockey. I understand he's a great quality guy, and I AM sad to see him go... but I think the K.Ads that we've seen the last couple of years just wasn't himself this year. Thus the trade.

WillLikeWhoa091

01-08-2007, 04:03 PM

It's prolly cause it's Monday but...who's Adam Gold? :confused: <--not like its THAT hard to do so!

A radio-personality from 850 The Buzz.

He's usually the guy that pisses people off. He also loves to hear himself talk. I'm never a big fan whenever he's doing The Aftermath.

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 04:06 PM

It's prolly cause it's Monday but...who's Adam Gold? :confused: <--not like its THAT hard to do so!

850theBUZZ has the joy of employing Adam Gold. He will make your ears bleed if you listen long enough. If you ask him, he's an expert on well, just everything. If you ask listeners, he's an expert on well, just nothing. Not that it keeps him from running off at the mouth endlessly. Oh, and his opinions are not just opinions, they are the gospel according to AG. :sick:

cmw00

01-08-2007, 04:09 PM

So I guess I'm the only one that's not all that upset over this trade.

I'm with you! We have plenty of "good locker room guys" who also contribute in some way. KA has contributed very little on the ice from what I've seen.

Sure he was a great guy I liked him, but I'd rather see the team winning or atleast palying better, and this trade should help. It can't really hurt that much more than KA playing since he didn't do much anyways.

When/if all our Defensemen get healthy I bet Ladd will be sent down and we'll dress 7 dmen and double shift a center(s). Forslund actually hinted at that the other night.

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 04:10 PM

TC- :laugh: you said it girl! (and very well- especially the bleeding ears part;) )

StormShaman

01-08-2007, 04:15 PM

850theBUZZ has the joy of employing Adam Gold. He will make your ears bleed if you listen long enough. If you ask him, he's an expert on well, just everything. If you ask listeners, he's an expert on well, just nothing. Not that it keeps him from running off at the mouth endlessly. Oh, and his opinions are not just opinions, they are the gospel according to AG. :sick:
Keep in mind that Adam Gold is also the guy that bashed the team left right and center right up to 2002 (even even a few times during and after), called fans who mourned the death of Steve Chiasson "stupid" (and bashed Steve too, as if one moment of terminal stupidity somehow made him the equivalent of Josef Stalin), and wound regularly hang up on and then proceed to insult any Caniac that dared call in and take issue with him.

And now he's acting like he's been on our bandwagon ever since the day they got to North Carolina. :roll:

Somebody call me when he's actually honest about how he's treated this team and its fans in the past.

*steps off soapbox*

nccanes

01-08-2007, 04:28 PM

I'd love to work with either the News and Observer or 850 The Buzz as I love the concept of sports-talk radio.

You sure do! I keep track how long people talk on the Aftermath and this week you took me from the parking lots in Carter-Finley all the way to Edwards Mill road (via Westchase and Blue Ridge). :lol: I was impressed since you admitted you'd only listened to the game since you were unable to see it on tv. ;)

wheels76

01-08-2007, 04:32 PM

all that needs to be said about AG is that he questioned if Rod would be worth the 3.5 mil he was set to recieve last year once the lockout ended. i will never, ever, ever, forget him saying that when talking about the team JR had put together.

note: he didn't go as far as to say he was not worth the $$, just questioned if Rod was worth it in the new salary cap NHL. i'm not going to pretend that his 37 and 38 pt seasons of 02 and 03 weren't exactly glamorous, but we all know Rod is def worth it.

SouthernHockeyChick

01-08-2007, 04:34 PM

Not to try and defend AG, god knows I never would, but don't you sorta HAVE to love to hear yourself talk to do sports radio? Isn't that kinda the point? Chris Clark is just as bad, if not worse, and you have to add on that he obviously knows even less about hockey than AG and doesn't even like it.

Yet, I continue to listen to The Aftermath. :lol:

nccanes

01-08-2007, 04:46 PM

all that needs to be said about AG is that he questioned if Rod would be worth the 3.5 mil he was set to recieve last year once the lockout ended. i will never, ever, ever, forget him saying that when talking about the team JR had put together.

John Buccigross said the same thing. In fact, used it as "proof" that JR had no idea what he was doing.

My displeasure with 850s coverage is when they don't know what the hell they're talking about (AG is entitled to his opinion about something that has yet to happen - even if I may differ). Like when Chris Clark had no idea why Cole wasn't given a penalty shot when McCabe (thinking it was McCabe) got to the puck before his contact with Cole. I'm not saying he HAD to agree that McCabe got to the puck, but he should certainly be able to tell a listener (who might not know) that the RULE is that if the player touches the puck first, no penalty (at all, let alone penalty shot). He had the advantage of seeing replays that the caller did not and you'd think he would know what the refs are looking for (even if he didn't agree). Instead he said "different refs look at things differently" w/o mention of the rule.

Okay - that was way too long, but it's those type things that annoy me more than silly opinions. That and asking stupid questions of good interview subjects.

I guess it's saying something to say that I prefer Mr ACC, David Glenn to talk hockey when he's subbing for someone. :lol:

Having said ALL that. I listened to pre and post-game coverage of the Coyotes last December when I drove to/from Scottsdale to Glendale and back for the game (it's 45 minutes). They were WORSE. By far. It's probably the nature of the beast I guess. (But at least the signal went that far :evil:)

SubwayScoundrel

01-08-2007, 04:47 PM

As a total aside ... I'm sure this means Mike Ricci will retire in the coming days.

Now Brindy will stand alone as most battle-scarred player in the NHL :D

:lol: Ricci --- Played in Raleigh last week and dressed for Haloween and did not even know it.

SubwayScoundrel

01-08-2007, 04:51 PM

A radio-personality from 850 The Buzz.

He's usually the guy that pisses people off. He also loves to hear himself talk. I'm never a big fan whenever he's doing The Aftermath.

Yea, but he knows more about hockey than anyone else at the Buzz and he is the one guy over there the national press talks to because he is not some yocal reading questions off a Q-card when talking to the National hockey writers.

Alicia

01-08-2007, 04:56 PM

oh god I feel sick.

me, too.

magnolia_mer

01-08-2007, 05:00 PM

Just got through reading six pages of posts on KAds. Wow! I had no idea when I was watching him at practice Friday that would be the last time I'd see him in person. Just...wow.

And y'all just crack me up. There's no shortage of opinions here. I love it.

As I'm just getting into this hockey love, I don't know about Kevyn as well as y'all do, but I did get the impression that he's a nice guy. I think way too much was made about the dustup with Hedican and him being in Lavi's doghouse. I think it's more that a change was in order. I still miss some of last year's guys, but having new guys like Scotty Walker is cool, too.

We will get to know the new guy and he'll probably fit in just fine, maybe breathe a little new life into our team. And hey, he eats plenty of oatmeal. I'm sure regularity is a nice quality in a D-man. :)

I'm sure KAds will probably come back here someday, even if it's just to retire. No worries here.

nccanes

01-08-2007, 05:02 PM

me, too.

It's wonderful to "see you" again. Though I wish the circumstances were different. :kiss:

car3hur

01-08-2007, 05:05 PM

SubwayScoundrel

01-08-2007, 05:07 PM

Good trade overall. Yea, Adams was good for the community but Canes need a D-core and now they have 10 d-men,.... that should be enough. Remember, the Sabres had a D-core last year going into the end of the season and ending up with not much by game 7 of the ECFs.

The Yotes are famous for gettng older guys this year as it may help build thier fan base...they need all the fan favorites they can get (the Canes do too).

I read where people were questioning 850Buzz and Adam Gold. Did not hear this but this move is only big in Raleigh and not anywhere else.(not really hat bid here overall) Not much national or Canadian talk driven by this trade (a 4th line centerman playing 5-6 minutes for a hurt, sometimes heathly scratch D-man.)

It does not appear he is a hitter but looks like he gets the puck out fast and that is good for the Canes and Erik Cole who will be darting up the ice looking for the break.

The Canes need something as I am tired of seeing Babchuk skating in circles while playing Twiddle-sticks with Forwards (at leash pinch someone in the corner if you are not going to hit them !!!). And Kaberle will be back but I am sorry, he is not the answer to the canes D problems but will help. They need a healthly Gleason and Wallin to hit in the corners, a healthly Hedican to skate and Tanabe playing a good game (like the last couple) and Wesley playing smart hockey.

Overall, I am sad to see K-AD go but I am glad JR made the move. All this new guy has to do is come in and skate, play postional D-fence and get the puck out fast and not worry about anything else.

JMHO

CaniacKikiBB13

01-08-2007, 05:27 PM

Sundheim updated his blog about the trade - nothing big, but a nice show of appreciation for everything Kevyn's done media-wise...

http://www.carolinahurricanes.com/custom/rad8ED80.asp

Serendipity

01-08-2007, 05:29 PM

Wow. I had such a busy day at work that I'm just now hearing about this.

I think everyone's said it all already. I'm just sad to see Kevyn go. :( :(

caveman

01-08-2007, 05:45 PM

Thank you Kevyn for everything you've done and everything you've given for the 3 full seasons and (now) 2 half-seasons in a Canes sweater. We couldn't have asked for more, especially in the 2 long playoff runs.

The Adams "family" is no more. :(

RIO

01-08-2007, 06:00 PM

me, too.

Alicia!! Muh layday! :kiss: x a bajillion

RIO

01-08-2007, 06:03 PM

oh god I feel sick.

Me too. *hugs and pats you*

Shell

01-08-2007, 06:25 PM

I need to quit personalizing jersies :( I will definitely miss KAds and all of his wonderful intangibles that really do make a difference. I do think we will see him back sooner rather than later though.. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a gentlemans deal to come back next year.. I can hope until the sting goes away anyway.

So, do you think they will replace his A? Don't we have 3 when most teams have 2? They may leave as-is?

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 06:47 PM

A snip from Lord Stanley's blog:

The depth crisis on defense provoked the Hurricanes into trading Kevyn Adams to the Phoenix Coyotes on Monday for defenseman Dennis Seidenberg, with the Canes down to five healthy defensemen. Seidenberg, 25, had to fly from Dallas to Phoenix to get his passport and is planning to take a red-eye flight to Toronto tonight, so his role may be limited against the Leafs on Tuesday.

nccanes

01-08-2007, 06:52 PM

For all my words in this thread, I thought my son summed it up pretty well when we talked about it.

He said "that sucks. this guy better be good." :lol:

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 06:55 PM

My husband said, "Really? He'll be missed..... what's for dinner? Did you bring in the mail?" :lol:

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 06:59 PM

My husband said, "Really? He'll be missed..... what's for dinner? Did you bring in the mail?" :lol:

he's expecting that invoice:lol:

nccanes

01-08-2007, 07:05 PM

From the AZ Republic.

It seems Emerson has adapted well already. :lol: That kid is a HOOT!

Coyotes acquire Adams

David Vest
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 8, 2007 09:39 AM

DALLAS - New Coyotes forward Kevyn Adams struggled to hear the first few questions of his introductory phone interview with the Phoenix media on Monday a few hours after being acquired from Carolina for defenseman Dennis Seidenberg because his five-year-old daughter, Emerson, was howling like a coyote in the background.

Adams shares her enthusiasm for the deal.

"I could tell they were having fun and playing hard,"Adams said of the Coyotes, whom he watched beat the Hurricanes 2-0 last week at RBC Center. "You could tell it was a group of guys that got along well by how they played."

Coach Wayne Gretzky said Adams, 32, would play Tuesday vs. Dallas when the Coyotes attempt to win their seventh straight game.

Adams, who is listed as a center but regularly plays all three forward positions, did not play vs. Phoenix last week because of a staph infection he acquired following wrist surgery in December.

In 35 games this season, Adams has notched two goals and two assists.

The Coyotes acquired Adams because they had too many defensemen, and they liked his face-off, penalty-kill and leadership skills. He was an alternate captain for Carolina last season when it won the Stanley Cup.

"What we went through was so exciting and I can bring that experience and that feeling (about) what we built here with me,"Adams said.

Not counting Phoenix, Adams has played for four teams since breaking into the NHL with Toronto in 1997. He and Coyotes goalie Curtis Joseph once were teammates with the Maple Leafs.

"He's a tenacious worker and he's got Stanley Cup experience, too,"Joseph said. "It's hard to put a price tag on going to the Cup and winning it. He brings a lot."

Adams contract, which pays him $725,000, expires on July 1. If the Coyotes don't re-sign him before then, he will become an unrestricted free agent.

In 480 NHL games, Adams has notched 58 goals and 68 assists.

Seidenberg, who was a healthy scratch the past four games, was not surprised by the trade.

"I was kind of sensing that something was going to happen,"Seidenberg said. "I'm a little disappointed but also excited to get an opportunity to play again. With Nick Boynton coming back (from injury), it would have been even tougher to get back in the lineup. This is a new start and I hope it goes better than it did here. I just didn't do what I could and that's why I got traded. But it's exciting when the Stanley Cup champion wants you."

In 66 games with Phoenix, Seidenberg had two goals and 11 assists.

gocanes0506

01-08-2007, 07:05 PM

I would say look for tanabe or hutchinson to be moved after the break. I am just hoping tanabe continues he good play that we can actually get something out of him before he returns to his crappy play.

caveman

01-08-2007, 07:23 PM

Everyone LOVES Kevyn.

Makes me want to write him a letter of thanks and send it out to the desert.

/signed

VandyCane

01-08-2007, 07:23 PM

Good to hear that his daughter shares daddy's sense of humor! :lol: His kids' reaction to the trade was one of the first things that crossed my mind. :(

From a business stand point this trade is a good one and one we had to make. Kevyn only had a few months left on his contract and here's a chance to get something we desperately needed while giving up little as far as ice-time/position. We were already used to playing without Kevyn and I hated seeing him get 5 minutes of ice time. Frankly I'm surprised Phoenix agreed to the deal--they must think they can keep him long term. (Or they must realize they are turning things around and Kevyn is the perfect guy to energize a team that is starting to believe in itself).

From a personal standpoint, it sucks. I love Kevyn! Commodoregirl--you asked how we get used to it--many of us don't. My canes jersey isn't personalized for that very reason. I did get a Cole jersey for Christmas but I made sure it was a Team USA jersey because no matter what, he will always be an Olympian.

The optimist in me hopes that Kevyn signs with us again next year (heck, if Tanabe can come back anyone can!). The realist in me wonders if him and Lavi were ever on the same page this year.

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 07:25 PM

I'll always remember Kevyn talking about how he ran to the airport when he'd found out he was being traded out of Florida. I don't think he's anywhere near as happy about this trade, but considering his playing time, I do think he's really excited to get a fresh start in the desert.

nccanes

01-08-2007, 07:28 PM

(heck, if Tanabe can come back anyone can!).

:laugh: That one made me burst out laughing. And so true!

Caniac

01-08-2007, 07:57 PM

ACK! HE'LL BE BACK! YA HAVNA HEARD THE LAST'A WILLIE, err... KEVYN!

;)

kermelbar

01-08-2007, 08:00 PM

his five-year-old daughter, Emerson, was howling like a coyote in the background

I think that was Emerson finding out they're leaving Raleigh. =.)

StormWarning

01-08-2007, 08:13 PM

Adams being trade bait was the worst kept secret of the Canes this season. I'm glad it no longer hangs over the team.

Thanks for everything Kevyn. Best of luck in Phoenix.

And welcome to Seidenberg! We need some D help... Bad!

Time to move on and improve.

talkingcanes

01-08-2007, 08:37 PM

Kevyn's little girl is a cute thing and very spirited! I guess professional athletes' children are like children who have parents in the military or with IBM (I Been Moved), it is a part of their lives. Of course, most of them have summer and winter homes so I guess it's not so different to them.

**not sure IBM employees are as moblile as they once were. that's what kids in my classes (100 years ago) would say when dad got transferred.

brindyfan

01-08-2007, 08:40 PM

Everything that can be said has been, but I simply had to post on this because although my head agrees with this trade, my heart is breaking. I hope this works out for the best for KAds. [ have been registered on here for a while but have only lurked-but this time I needed to share the pain]

nccanes

01-08-2007, 08:43 PM

I hope Emerson Adams gets to take in a few Coyotes games. If she enjoys the howling, she'll be in for a treat in the Glendale (err, jobing.com) arena. Lots of howling to be heard. I'd imagine getting a stuffed coyote (I think it's name is Howler?) to go beside her Stormy doll will probably do the trick. (But I suppose there won't be much left of Stormy the next morning huh?)

Probably toughest on Kevyn's wife. Her January just got a lot different than she expected with all those home games on the Canes sched.

StormChaserBH

01-08-2007, 08:44 PM

IBM (I Been Moved),

**not sure IBM employees are as moblile as they once were. that's what kids in my classes (100 years ago) would say when dad got transferred.

'taint as true as it once was, that's fo' sure... nowadays the "you don't have to live where you work" rule applies to many jobs since telecommuting has become so big, but except for executive-level positions, the "they'd rather lay you off and hire someone else in the city they need 'em than pay for a move" rule also generally applies.

Miss ya, Kev#14!!!

bonniebroad

01-08-2007, 08:45 PM

Kevyn, you have many Carolina fans who will always love you, and I send best wishes with you to the desert. Hope to see you back in Raleigh again one day!!!

I understand the need for the trade, but I'll really miss that sunshine smile of his!

Pyronite

01-08-2007, 09:08 PM

Shell

01-08-2007, 09:18 PM

I doubt it, we barely get them in Raleigh. :lol:

G-Vegas Caniac

01-08-2007, 09:26 PM

I saw this posted when this happened earlier today but didn't get a chance to post a comment. What a great guy Kevyn was. He will really be missed here in Carolina. Repeating a post from earlier on this topic, this guy better be good that we're getting! lol..:lol:

Kevs

01-08-2007, 09:30 PM

I can't believe they would trade off Adams. That guy had a lot more heart and respect than his numbers reflected each year. I personally hope he makes it back as well when his contract is up... :cry:

WillLikeWhoa091

01-08-2007, 09:36 PM

You sure do! I keep track how long people talk on the Aftermath and this week you took me from the parking lots in Carter-Finley all the way to Edwards Mill road (via Westchase and Blue Ridge). :lol: I was impressed since you admitted you'd only listened to the game since you were unable to see it on tv. ;)

haha

Yeah I looked at my phone after I hung up and realized it said something like 12 minutes. (Keep in mind the 5 minutes on hold... I might be stretching for that 5 though). ;)

It's so much fun being a regular on the show though. When the guy picks up the phone and goes "850 The Buzz, Aftermath", all I have to do is say "It's Will." and they go "Oh hey Will. One sec, we'll get you on." I really do enjoy talking with the guys after a game, as most of the time on Aftermath I just hear people goin "Uhh... the Canes are awesome!" or "Uhhh... the Canes suck!" Gotta love the people that call in and get their kids on too. Gimme a break, we wanna talk actual hockey!

I want to be an analyst.

(I'll keep it in mind to be a little more brief next time. ;) )

However, to keep on subject...

Uh... K.Adams was an excellent Alternate Captain, and he will be an asset used by the Great One out there in the Desert. Oh and Emerson is by far the cutest hockey-kid I've ever heard of. From Country-Momma to howling like a coyote. Simply adorable.

Teaching 4's

01-08-2007, 09:43 PM

I usually don't depend on News 14 Carolina for my sporting news, but they just did a great little blurp on Kevyn and what he has done for us on the ice..they showed a lot of his past goals and said that JR said that you "have to give up something to get something" and then proceeded to say things about how Kevyn brought it every night.. and how you can't teach effort, and Kevyn brought it everynight. I thought they did a great job...and since they replay their show a zillion times a night, maybe you guys will see it as well. :) Enjoy... (Still can't believe he really was traded!!!!)

SoCalcaniac

01-08-2007, 09:43 PM

Speaking of 850 The Buzz, is there any way to listen to it from the Western North Carolina area? I figured they'd have an internet feed, but I can't find anything whatsoever on their page. If someone could let me know, it would be really appreciated.

They podcast via iTunes. You can subscribe if you're so inclined..... just make sure you put on your patience cap, cause as we've discussed here, Gold particularly can be long winded and at times without a point. ;)

apolinar

01-08-2007, 09:55 PM

FYI regarding my previous post and what mood the team will be in after this trade... I really wasn't focusing on the shenanigans in the locker room btw Kev and Hedi. I was just thinking overall. I know how I would feel after seeing Kev traded, after he broke his wrist for the team and played on, then spent the whole season feeling bad for said broken wrist, only to finally have surgery and come back in fine form to be traded. I'd be quite aware that anyone can be traded for any reason, no matter how much they contributed to the team. Sometimes that does the opposite of lighting a fire under people.

From a business aspect I wouldn't want the president of the NHLPA on my team either. Doubt that had anything to do with the trade but just a thought that went across my brain (PURE SPECULATION)

And C. Adams can now just be "Adams" on the back of his sweater again. however he always played his best with K Ads at his side.

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 10:12 PM

From Lord Stanley's blog, 10:20PM:

Adams' Teammates Note his departure

Kevyn Adams practiced for the last time this morning as a Carolina Hurricane before learning the organization had traded him to Phoenix in exchange for defenseman Dennis Seidenberg.
Team officials closed the locker room briefly to allow Adams' teammates to digest news of the trade shortly before their departure to Toronto for tonight's game.

Defenseman Bret Hedican, who landed in Raleigh four years ago when the Hurricanes acquired the pair and Tomas Malec in a trade with Florida Pantehrs, said Adams would be missed. "Kevyn and I have been through a lot together," said Hedican, who sparred briefly with Adams during a tense practice at the start of this season. "Getting traded together, you always have that special bond. Him and I both [came] here into a situation where I think Carolina was going to make the playoffs, but we didn't know what they were going to do, and I think Kevyn and I fit into the team and provided just what they needed ... It's unfortunate to see him go. He's a good friend, and I wish him well."

Defenseman Mike Commodore credited Adams with playing a large role in last season's Stanley Cup run and hinted at the frustration Adams felt this season with his shrinking ice time. "Things weren't really working out as far as ice time and stuff here for him like he would have liked, obviously. You just hope it works out great for both sides," Commodore said. "They've got a good team over there [in Phoenix], so with a bit of a change of scenery for him, obviously we wish him the best of luck."

Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford acknowledged that Adams asked to meet with him about a month ago, concerned about his future with the team. "His role had changed a little bit. I think if we stick to our plan and add another forward here prior to the [trade] deadline, it would have put him in a position that maybe his role would have diminished even more," Rutherford said. "I talked to Kevyn probably a month ago about where his career is going and despite the fact we don't like to lose a player like Kevyn, this should be good for him.

"He just wanted to talk through things, about how much he was playing and his role. I could just tell him in the overall picture. I'm not the coach, but it looked like his playing time was not going to increase. He wanted to make sure he was in a strong position from a career point of view and that factored in the ultimate decision here."

Zamboni

01-08-2007, 10:25 PM

That was quite enlightening, CL, Thanks! Very interesting comments from JR about Kevyn's concerns and potential moves for the near future.

SouthernHockeyChick

01-08-2007, 10:29 PM

Hmm. Sounds almost like a "play me or trade me" with the grace to not say it publicly, of course.

Canesluver

01-08-2007, 10:44 PM

Well, I just had on WRAL news, and Jeff Gravley pronounced our new defenseman's name as ZEE-gain-berg!! :eek2:

Good lord! How hard is it to check pronounciations? It might have been 25 years ago-- but back when I was taking some broadcasting classes, we got majorly dinged if we went on-the-air without checking pronounciations that were going on the teleprompter!

svandijk1

01-08-2007, 10:50 PM

That was quite enlightening, CL, Thanks! Very interesting comments from JR about Kevyn's concerns and potential moves for the near future.

Think Adam Gold will retract his comments on JR now? Didn't think so.

apolinar

01-08-2007, 11:16 PM

Thanks CL, that was enough to make me feel better about the trade.

puck_it

01-08-2007, 11:27 PM

and its good to know its not over too... theres gonna be another forawrd aquisition... hrmmm

Cool Hand Luke

01-08-2007, 11:36 PM

That blog does shed much light. Kevyn may have requested a trade, based upon his shrinking playing time. His contract runs out after this season, and who is going to give him a decent contract for next based upon his current playing time and production numbers? His stats have minimum wage written all over them, if he even got an offer.

I'll miss Kevyn, but I think this trade benefits both teams and both players.

StormWarning

01-09-2007, 05:09 AM

It's a win-win... Adams will get more playing time (his concern) and Carolina gets help on D (Canes concern).

caveman

01-09-2007, 06:55 AM

It's extra frustrating this morning, thinking about the fact that he's only NOW finally getting really healthy. His faceoffs are going to be much improved now that he's got 2 wrists, and that likely won't hurt the rest of his game either.

What a log-jam we're going to have on D come February...

aldamon

01-09-2007, 07:37 AM

What a log-jam we're going to have on D come February...

We hope.........

Scandinavian

01-09-2007, 08:18 AM

I never really cared one way or the other about any of the teams in the West...

...but I can't help but think I'll be following the Coyotes a lot more closely now :D

puck_it

01-09-2007, 08:28 AM

so i was curious as to what equipment he uses, since he's German... and just as i thought... HE USES TBLADES...*sigh*

Jochen Hecht and Erhoff use them too... They're a great idea in principle for the consumer, the runners are replaceable and last longer... no sharpening... but pro's usually dont use them because they suck and they have people to sharpen skates for them whenever they want.

These things are fricken noisey as hell... If he's out on the ice and you hear a loud crackling sound, that would be his skates. or a gigantic WHOOONNN. its hard to type out this sound but its loud as hell and they make it when you put on the breaks hard.

UGH i hate these noise abominations.

nccanes

01-09-2007, 08:45 AM

Well your post DOES prove that you don't frequent the LT as much as I thought. I posted a pic with those funky skates sometime yesterday! ;)

I feel much better having read the comments from all involved. It's certainly nice to hear great things from Hedican and realize this was all about Kevyn's role and ice time, rather than some long running fued.

Best of luck in the desert KAds!

puck_it

01-09-2007, 09:14 AM

i only ventured in after game days cause there were more game photos from icesaber... but now that thats stopped, i only go in to see how close it is to 20 or at the direction of someone :p

Scandinavian

01-09-2007, 09:23 AM

Well your post DOES prove that you don't frequent the LT as much as I thought. I posted a pic with those funky skates sometime yesterday! ;)

...not trying to sound like a complete idiot....but what does LT stand for? or is it just really early in the morning for me?

nccanes

01-09-2007, 09:32 AM

LT = Ladies Thread. ;)

caveman

01-09-2007, 09:34 AM

We hope.........

Thinking about it more. You know, we don't really know how much more Wesley (38) and Hedican (36) have in the tank after this year. Wallin is about to turn 32, Frank is 33. Babs is making strides this year, and Commodore is keeping up his solid play, but is Hutch really a full time NHLer? Gleason and Tanabe round out the 9 D-men we had on the roster. I dunno if Seidenberg is the answer (and if so: what's the question!) but he was a +46 for the Phantoms during the lockout.

This is another one of those "Boy do I hope JR's touch stays true". We've had a good run of deals. Last year we traded Vrbata (for ...), Ritchmond (for Babchuk), Zigomanis and Boulerice (for Weight), and Nordgren (for Recchi). During this most recent off-season we traded Vasicek (for Walker) and Tverdovsky (for Belanger and Gleason).

I think we're all mainly just hoping this is NOT one of those Kapanen for Brendl or Langdon and Malik for Hlavac and Druken deals.

I'm also hoping this is not solely a short-term "band aid" thing as any motivation. We've got minor league players, there are free agents out there, etc. Is it really as sunshine-and-daisies as the org. doing Kevyn a "favor", a-la trading O'Neill to Toronto for "nothing" so he could be near home?

The talk about "another deal" coming later, for a forward... who am I to second guess the GM of the year, but boy do I hope it's worth it.

talkingcanes

01-09-2007, 09:53 AM

LT = Ladies Thread. ;)

it's not Latin Teacher:lol:

nccanes

01-09-2007, 10:06 AM

:lol:

Here's another thing to make us chuckle.

Check out this article about Kevyn at the Coyotes website. Take a gander at the photo of him. :lol:

http://www.phoenixcoyotes.com/news/story_details.php?ID=5546

How totally lame is that?

Fuschimuschi

01-09-2007, 10:09 AM

LT = Ladies Thread. ;)

Where is it?
I have some nice Seidenberg pics. ;)
Are German ladies allowed?

Scottie2hottie

01-09-2007, 10:09 AM

Wow...could they pick a worse picture?!?

nccanes

01-09-2007, 10:11 AM

Wow...could they pick a worse picture?!?

I think the photo is fine - if we'd traded Glen Wesley to the Coyotes. :lol:

SoCalcaniac

01-09-2007, 10:11 AM

^^^WOW. That looks like ch.com type blunder.

nccanes

01-09-2007, 10:12 AM

Where is it?
I have some nice Seidenberg pics. ;)
Are German ladies allowed?

I've sent you a pm about how to find it. :)

Scottie2hottie

01-09-2007, 10:15 AM

I think the photo is fine - if we'd traded Glen Wesley to the Coyotes. :lol:

OMG I didn't even realize LMAO Duh...:beatup:

nccanes

01-09-2007, 10:17 AM

And from the article on the page with Glen's photo:

"Kevin Adams was a piece that was instrumental in Carolina winning the Stanley Cup last year,'' said Coyotes General Manager Michael Barnett. ''He's a veteran, an aggressive, hungry forward that will bring more leadership to our group. And he's very versatile.''

Scottie2hottie

01-09-2007, 10:20 AM

Wow...these people need to learn how to do their research!

SouthernHockeyChick

01-09-2007, 10:28 AM

Maybe Barnett has his names mixed up and he really thinks he's getting Wesley. :lol:;)

car3hur

01-09-2007, 10:29 AM

Maybe Barnett has his names mixed up and he really thinks he's getting Wesley. :lol:;)

That would definately be the funneh. :lol:

Caniac

01-09-2007, 10:40 AM

I wonder if there's ever been a player traded in error...

THIS ISN'T THE GUY WE WANTED!!!!

Scottie2hottie

01-09-2007, 10:45 AM

LOL ooops...sorry...our bad...:laugh:

car3hur

01-09-2007, 11:39 AM

I wonder if there's ever been a player traded in error...

THIS ISN'T THE GUY WE WANTED!!!!

Kinda like when a team is expecting a Paul Kariya, and get Happy Gilmour instead?! :lol:

Canesluver

01-09-2007, 12:03 PM

I think the photo is fine - if we'd traded Glen Wesley to the Coyotes. :lol:

I just wrote a note to their Webmaster.

I just HAD to!! :lol:

And I think I mentioned Kevyn's name 4 times in my note, so hope fully they'll get that part fixed, too!

nccanes

01-09-2007, 12:05 PM

I sent one when I posted it. Still there. :lol:

car3hur

01-09-2007, 12:14 PM

I sent one when I posted it. Still there. :lol:

I like what the last sentence on that page said though:

"Coyotes fans won’t have to wait long for their first glimpse of Adams. Phoenix’s newest addition is scheduled to be in the lineup Tuesday night when the Coyotes conclude their current five-game road trip in Dallas, Texas."

Looks like that free preview of the NHL package won't just be used for our game tonight...but Kevyn's first game as a Yote! Go kick some Modano-ass tonight, Kev!! :D

Scandinavian

01-09-2007, 12:17 PM

I've sent you a pm about how to find it. :)

..ok can you send me a PM about how to find it too, i feel lost :huh:

run-that-way

01-09-2007, 01:01 PM

Kevyn and his family go to my church ..... this so sucks on so many levels. His kids are so adorable. I'll miss him - between him and Matt Cullen, two poor trades.

shane472

01-09-2007, 01:06 PM

Kevyn and his family go to my church ..... this so sucks on so many levels. His kids are so adorable. I'll miss him - between him and Matt Cullen, two poor trades.

Cullen wasn't traded...

Canesluver

01-09-2007, 01:32 PM

I sent one when I posted it. Still there. :lol:

It's fixed. :D

Don't you love it, when you affect change! :lol:

nccanes

01-09-2007, 01:40 PM

The coyotes webmaster is probably like "wtf is with these Canes fans - rather protective of Adams aren't they?" :lol:

WillLikeWhoa091

01-09-2007, 01:40 PM

Cullen wasn't traded...

Beat me to it.

And actually, this looks like a trade that's beneficial to all those involved on the surface. Time will tell if it's actually a good one.

From a human-being perspective... yeah, it'll be hard to replace K.Ads. But we don't run a happy-feel-good day camp for kids. We run a hockey team that wants to win.

Kahz

01-09-2007, 03:02 PM

Cullen wasn't traded...Ned Barnett said he was, so it must be true.

Zamboni

01-09-2007, 03:29 PM

:laugh: I think it's an awesome picture! Like he's going to pack the cup with him and just unload it into the new locker.

Pyronite

01-09-2007, 04:45 PM

caniac369

01-09-2007, 04:57 PM

shane472

01-09-2007, 05:00 PM

Caniac

01-09-2007, 05:13 PM

Hey what's this bag of pucks for?
David Tanabe.
Wow, good trade.

nccanes

01-09-2007, 05:53 PM

The Hockey News seems to think that Phoenix came out ahead on this trade:
http://www.thehockeynews.com/en/news/news.asp?idNews=22990

I have to disagree, though. They don't seem to take into account Adams' lack of playing time and apparent "loss of stature" in locker room (per J.R.'s words). Either way, I'll take a player who will be on the ice over one who will not whenever I have the opportunity.

But "loss of stature" (though I didn't read where JR said that) only applies to this team. Hell, Mike Zigomanis is their 3rd line center, so every player has a different opportunity in a different team. I would bet my bank account that JR would never say or imply that Kevyn is anything less than he was 7 months ago - a stand up guy who *can* help any team that needs him.

As far taking a player who will be on the ice over one who will not? PHX scratched Seidenberg the last 4 games (all wins) - so I presume they feel the same way.

Sometimes trades are win-wins.

talkingcanes

01-09-2007, 06:12 PM

didn't the "loss of stature" comment come from JF on a radio show? didn't hear it. read a recap on another board.

puck_it

01-09-2007, 06:17 PM

that sure is a pleasant surprise! i thought he was a ranger!

:lol:

Pyronite

01-09-2007, 07:50 PM

Anyone care to give some initial impressions of Seidenberg after the game?

nccanes

01-09-2007, 07:56 PM

didn't the "loss of stature" comment come from JF on a radio show? didn't hear it. read a recap on another board.

I think JF did have some word to that effect, but I hadn't heard JR quoted in that matter.

Do ya think he meant that Kevin had shrunk? ;)

Pyronite

01-09-2007, 07:58 PM

I meant Forslund, not Rutherford -- I should have cleared that up earlier!

Far as I know, Rutherford has said nothing along those lines.

svandijk1

01-09-2007, 10:05 PM

StormShaman

01-09-2007, 10:15 PM

I wish I could share the joy of my ride home from work today. I didn't get out until after 6PM and when I turned on 850TheBuzz, I was just in time for Mike "The Metaphor" In Cary calling in to pine over how the Canes could just dump a character guy like Kads for a nobody.

One of these days, somebody should just call in and go off on a huge five-minute rant about how Mike In Cary should just STFU already because he knows nothing and he's embarrassing the Hel out of the rest of us.

apolinar

01-09-2007, 11:28 PM

Is Mike in cary on this board?

StormShaman

01-10-2007, 12:11 AM

Is Mike in cary on this board?
I have a feeling that if he was, he'd have been banned a LONG time ago after royally pissing off Caniac. :evil:

Mike In Cary: "Well Caniac I gotta tellya....."

Caniac: /ban

nccanes

01-10-2007, 10:27 AM

I noticed last night that Kevyn went w/o a half shield. Maybe they didn't have his 'style' or whatever.

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/ef/full.getty-71799396rm009_phoenix_coyot_10_51_36_pm.jpg

Canesluver

01-10-2007, 10:32 AM

Maybe he wants to have a more "tough guy" persona for The Great One!!

:laugh:

(And thanx for the pix, BTW-- I watched a little of the game, but never did catch any shots of Kevs.)

talkingcanes

01-10-2007, 10:32 AM

looks like Gretzky is really holding that last note!

odd to see KAds in that uniform. hope he gets more ice time.

caveman

01-10-2007, 10:42 AM

I do like the neckline and pretty much everything about the Yotes sweater. Zigomanis and Kevyn look good in them, hope they both do well and Phoenix keeps winning.

RIO

01-10-2007, 10:42 AM

ssangste

01-10-2007, 11:12 AM

//grouchy outburst// Arg! Wayne Gretsky, get away from our Kevyn! //end//

I know you didn't just spell his name incorrectly on purpose ;)

(Gretzky worshipper slinks back into hiding... err... back to work)

RIO

01-10-2007, 11:21 AM

I know you didn't just spell his name incorrectly on purpose ;)

(Gretzky worshipper slinks back into hiding... err... back to work)

You misspelled "worshiper" -- we're even! :p :lol:

puck_it

01-10-2007, 11:36 AM

Rio,

He's canadian, he's in the business of shipping wor. I dont know what a wor is, but if i had to guess it'd be troutsicle caviar. Let the candian do business with Gretzky

RIO

01-10-2007, 12:05 PM

Rio,

He's canadian, he's in the business of shipping wor. I dont know what a wor is, but if i had to guess it'd be troutsicle caviar. Let the canadian do business with Gretzky

:lol:

ssangste

01-10-2007, 12:16 PM

You misspelled "worshiper" -- we're even! :p :lol:

Ummmm... no I didn't.... it can be spelled either way (and was taught as "worshipper" by my 4' 6" tall Honors English & Latin prof from London. She was hard core about these things. Although to be perfectly honest, I thought you were spelling it incorrectly in your post until I looked it up as I've never seen it spelled any other way than "worshipper").

So I'm still one up on ya ;) :p

goalie33

01-10-2007, 12:26 PM

You two are certainly in a pertinaciously persnickety prefecture today.

RIO

01-10-2007, 12:50 PM

Ummmm... no I didn't.... it can be spelled either way (and was taught as "worshipper" by my 4' 6" tall Honors English & Latin prof from London. She was hard core about these things.

I totally can't compete with that! Though I did have an English teacher who sent a few of us to the guillotine for spelling "judgment" with an 'e'. To this day, I have a knee-jerk response to that would make people think I had a guilty conscience. (THERE ARE NO BODIES IN THE CRAWLSPACE!! NO BODIES!! *twitch*.... bodies... *twitch*)

So I'm still one up on ya ;) :p

*bows deeply* You may have won this battle for Canada, mon frere, but I shall call upon the spirit of Noah Webster and we shalt meet thee yet again upon yon gorey fields of English anon! *sweeps from the room*