Game Thread ..... vs. NY Rangers, 2/15/07 [Archive]

SoCalcaniac

02-15-2007, 08:56 AM

It's game day ya'll.

BEEP, BEEP. ;)

59- I couldn't figure out for the life of me why Renney had never put Cullen on the point at all this year; but then, he hasn't used him (until recently) in the shootout either, so I guess that's part of why Cullen doesn't look like the right fit in NY- being under utilized up until now when the coaches got an a-ha moment or something.

This should be a far better match up than our game vs the Western Conf. Kings. All kinds of stuff at at stake here, so it should be a pretty spirited game. (*hoping it will be*)

Big Joe was today's mystery Cane sounding like he's still pinching himself that he's back here; let's hope he's got another solid game in him; I'd really like to see Seidenberg back in the lineup- but I'm probably not gonna get my wish; here's something that could be fun: let's get scoring from all 3 lines and get this thing rolling.

Let's gain more ground on ATL..................

VandyCane

02-15-2007, 09:43 AM

Staalgurl4ever

02-15-2007, 10:20 AM

I hope the guys play their best.

aldamon

02-15-2007, 10:39 AM

alison

02-15-2007, 10:50 AM

Dammit100

02-15-2007, 10:54 AM

always fun to beat up on the rags.

Hail 328!!

nccanes

02-15-2007, 11:01 AM

livinthedream

02-15-2007, 12:36 PM

We got invited to watch this game from RBC Centura's box tonight! :nanner: Hopefully I'm not expected to do too much hobnobbing 'cause I'm going to be watching the game. Still nice to watch a game for free and have food and cocktails included in the deal! :D

That sounds like fun! You'll have to let us know where you are so we can look for you. We'll be back in 217 (our normal seats) for this one. For the LAK game we splurged (my idea of a Valentines Day gift!) and sat down in Section 118, about 10 rows up across from the bench near our penalty box. The seats were absolutely fantastic although I was like this :eek2: the whole time because I couldn't keep up with the action down that close. Of course now my son wants to sit there every game.

Let's keep that winning attitude and get another streak going! And on that note...can someone please get Mr. Flair a lozenge?

puck_it

02-15-2007, 03:07 PM

who's singing and reffing tonight?

livinthedream

02-15-2007, 03:18 PM

I tried launching the line-up card earlier and got an error message, so I don't know who's singin'. Who's reffing, per TSB:

Referees: That Hasenfratz Putz #30; Dan O'Halloran #13
Linesmen: Thor Nelson #80; Tony Sericolo #84

And in case anyone is interested, the Silent Auction features an autographed game-worn 05-06 Matt Cullen jersey.

puck_it

02-15-2007, 03:38 PM

prolly the wilv...

crappy refs... crappy anthem... crappy lunquist?

SouthernHockeyChick

02-15-2007, 03:47 PM

That sounds like fun! You'll have to let us know where you are so we can look for you. We'll be back in 217 (our normal seats) for this one. For the LAK game we splurged (my idea of a Valentines Day gift!) and sat down in Section 118, about 10 rows up across from the bench near our penalty box.
I KNEW I saw you down there!!! I'm in the next to the last row of 119 every game. Stop and say "Hi" if you splurge again!

And it is The Wilv.

livinthedream

02-15-2007, 03:52 PM

Yeah did you see me in 118 doing this :crazy: ? Those guys are too damn fast! Had a blast though, would love to sit there full-time, probably up another 10-15 rows, closer to where you are. But right now I can't quite afford time and money to get down there (not offered to 24-gamers I don't think).

So, I really was in East Snooterville?! :lol:

SouthernHockeyChick

02-15-2007, 03:56 PM

Smack-dab in East Snooterville, yes ma'am. :D

I won't be able to afford it once the lock-out discounts end. :(

(OK, so, I can't afford it now but it's like shoes on sale that save you money, somehow :beatup: )

caniac369

02-15-2007, 04:02 PM

Yeah!! Game day!! Happy faces!!

:nanner: GO CANES!! :nanner:

StormWarning

02-15-2007, 06:44 PM

What a surprise! Down 1-0!! :rolleyes:

ONeillsNo1Fan

02-15-2007, 06:52 PM

What a surprise. I walk outside to get something from my car, come back, and my boy has scored.

:nanner:

caveman

02-15-2007, 07:36 PM

Q: can a player shown to have committed an "intent to injure" kneeing penalty that was not called during the game still be suspended? Ortmeyer on Whitney was as dirty a play as they come.

TheCaptain

02-15-2007, 08:03 PM

If they think I am dropping a few grand on playoff tickets for a team that doesn't show any sign of wantingto be in the playoffs, they're nuts.

TheCaptain

02-15-2007, 08:04 PM

great turnout on the boards tonight. [crickets] [crickets]

brindy17

02-15-2007, 08:09 PM

ugh, this team..Talk about your love-hate relationships. A lot of guys on this team to love but sometimes their play is worthy of only hatred, or at least disgust. Anyone hear anymore about Justin Williams? I know Forslund pointed out he only played 3 minutes in the first period but I didn't ever hear a reason or speculation on why.

KaniacFever

02-15-2007, 08:11 PM

StormWarning

02-15-2007, 08:12 PM

The good news is the N&O can save some time and simply run a ton of player quotes from about a third of the games this season re: lack effort, needing to work harder, frustration, etc... and simply change the date and score of the game.

See it and heard it all before.

KaniacFever

02-15-2007, 08:13 PM

If they think I am dropping a few grand on playoff tickets for a team that doesn't show any sign of wantingto be in the playoffs, they're nuts.

Ditto. You know how many people will be POed if they drop that grand and the team doesn't even make the playoffs. JR will be making a killing off of everyone's money just sitting there until next season.

We are currently thinking of not dropping that grand. These guys gotta show us a bit more fire and desire and will to play before I let my money sit there when I can use it to take a trip over the summer.

brindy17

02-15-2007, 08:14 PM

If they think I am dropping a few grand on playoff tickets for a team that doesn't show any sign of wantingto be in the playoffs, they're nuts.

Cap, they certainly aren't making the front office's job any easier, that's for sure. People have short memoryspans, particularly when it comes to sports and money. Combine the two and it is downright volatile. If the Canes back into the playoffs, I imagine attendance will be less than stellar.

TheCaptain

02-15-2007, 08:16 PM

Short memory span, hell. I have a perfectly good memory span. In fact, I remember these guys playing very well last year.

No excuse.

They're getting hurt because they are reaching instead of skating. They're getting hurt because they're getting beat to the play. They're getting hurt because they are not carrying the momentum into hit, but they are absorbing the hit.

They're simply not trying.

Ray Whitney, take a bow. The rest of you, take a summer off.

By the way, anyone seen Eric Staal? I could have sworn he was on this team.

KaniacFever

02-15-2007, 08:22 PM

By the way, anyone seen Eric Staal? I could have sworn he was on this team.

Actually I thought Staal, Ladd, and Walker were the only ones creating the chances. And Staal did make that beautiful pass to Ladd for the lone goal.

If you ask me Staal's line was the only one to show up tonight.

gocanes0506

02-15-2007, 08:47 PM

few things i noticed.

Lavi got out coached. I saw the Jagr line out a couples of times with the Vasicek line. The speediest line for NYR skating with our slowest guy?

rangers have improved their team and Carolina is still sitting on their hands. Rangrs have benefited from Avery and Dupuis and the Canes are still victims of injuries.

The obvious one was the Canes were just flat out played.

KaniacFever

02-15-2007, 08:52 PM

few things i noticed.

Lavi got out coached. I saw the Jagr line out a couples of times with the Vasicek line. The speediest line for NYR skating with our slowest guy?

Actually Lavi wanted LaRose and Craig out there with the Jagr line. During Hurricanes Live he said he was putting them up against Jagr. He said that they did a great job at containing Frolov Tuesday night that he's putting them to the test tonight.

I thought they did great against Jagr. They kept him from scoring and that was their job. It was NYs PP that gave them that win. And NYs only full strength goal I think came off the 3rd line. Don't quote me, but it wasn't Jagr line cause Cullen assisted on that goal.

puck_it

02-15-2007, 09:01 PM

If they think I am dropping a few grand on playoff tickets for a team that doesn't show any sign of wantingto be in the playoffs, they're nuts.

then dont. they're perfectly fine with that. Know why? they'll make more money off your seat :)

puck_it

02-15-2007, 09:03 PM

Q: can a player shown to have committed an "intent to injure" kneeing penalty that was not called during the game still be suspended? Ortmeyer on Whitney was as dirty a play as they come.

yes. If the league feels as though there was a play that requires a suspension, they can and will.

They'll say something like, "no penatly was assesed on the play" in the release.

livinthedream

02-15-2007, 09:12 PM

Damn. I didn't, but man I really wanted to leave that game early.

I can't remember the last time I was that miserable, and that includes the time LTD Jr.'s batteries went dead on his Game Boy at the beginning of the third period.

CaniacKikiBB13

02-15-2007, 09:30 PM

Blah. That was pretty disappointing. With the way we played, it felt like it we were down a man the entire night. And when we actually were down a man, it was dreadful. Special teams were way off tonight.

I'll say that Cam showed up - it could've been a lot worse without him. And I agree about the Staal, Ladd and Walker line, they had some chances...they played better than our other lines, that's for sure.

Sad to hear that the injury list is building yet again. Geeze. Talk about frustrating. It figures - once our defense starts to get healthy again, our forwards take a hit. Hopefully, JWills and Hedican won't be out too long. I just want to be healthy...for more than 39 minutes - or however long it was. :(

SouthernHockeyChick

02-15-2007, 09:32 PM

great turnout on the boards tonight. [crickets] [crickets]

That's because 17,255 of us were at the game. :huh:

Mr SHC said it best in regards to this game, IMO. He said that this game was do or die.....and they apparently made their decision.

Fine. Don't make the playoffs. With the money I save, I can buy a nice new TV to watch the other 16 teams (you know, the ones who have an entire roster that shows up every night) who do.

SoCalcaniac

02-15-2007, 09:33 PM

I was far more fascinated and dying for my laptop at the game so I could read up on the Forsberg trade - I got my whole section in an uproar when Hub announced it to me as he heard it from chuck on the headphones.
How is it that a trade for 2 teams that aren't our own, was more interesting to a hoarde of people and not the team on the ice in front of us? :huh:

I should dig up my posts from previous games, but I'll say it again- VERY disaapointing. The fact that this group did not recognize that this game was of consequence, is wholly discouraging. I have no idea what else to say.

The Walker/Staal/Ladd line were the only line out there creating, so whoever posted above that they were looking for him tonight- um, he wears #12 in red and he was out there thanks.

E- Aaron Ward decided to punch Staal in the mouth since KAds is gone. And good for Staaly he popped him right back. Can't believe I just said that, but I did.

I'm over the mash unit situation- injury on top of injury on top of injury.

Our PP is still junk and our PK is even junkier. How comforting. Why is Mike Commodore not capable of clearing a puck out of the zone? 3 times tonight, he 'cleared' right to a Ranger. This is the 3rd or 4th game where he's just not had it together in the PK dept. Just one symptom of an overall problem.

I can accept losing - most times. I cannot accept a lack of effort- or an unwillingness to compete; Call it whatever you will, I just know it's not acceptable. and not to recognize that this was another 'big game' baffles me to NO end.

Time and again, we have a full building or in tonight's case, a near full building, and we get these kinds of "presents".

I can't even think of the playoffs, because we'd need to actually make the playoffs to worry about the check we just sent to the Canes for our "seats". right about now, we're waiting to be pushed off the cliff and out of the 8th spot.

VandyCane

02-15-2007, 09:34 PM

:sick: :sick: :sick: Thank goodness my seats were free for that miserable game! :lol: My only highlights of that game were the free food, free wine and watching Shanahan lose a tooth! I take partial responsibility--I wore lipstick and boots with heels--I promise never to do that again. :laugh: I especially love the RBC Centura banker who thought I was rooting for another team because I wore my Team USA jersey. :rolleyes:

Our guys didn't look like they wanted it out there. I actually did think that Staal played a good game though, but we just looked like we were in slow motion. We did give Vasicek a new nickname--The Black Hole--since he sucks up all the energy of the energy line.

The sad thing was there were so few people left at the end that people even didn't even bother booing (I'm not a booer but I certainly understand those that feel like it).

SoCalcaniac

02-15-2007, 09:39 PM

Oh they were booing Vandy..... believe me..... boos all around....

livinthedream

02-15-2007, 09:43 PM

There were definitely boos coming from my section.

I think the Canes need a new eye care sponsor. Eye Care Associates clearly isn't getting the job done. They don't see where the puck is going, they don't see each other to make a clean pass, they certainly don't see the way out of their own zone.

bonniebroad

02-15-2007, 09:45 PM

Okay, we (two of us) just spent $175 (food, parking, etc.) total to go to this game ... GEESH! What a waste of time and money ... :( I think a lot of the new STHs will not re-up next season if this level of play continues. Most of the team seemed FLAT to me ... :(

SoCalcaniac

02-15-2007, 09:49 PM

That overcrowded wagon just seems to be getting lighter and lighter. This is embarassing............ and if it's not corrected, it'll be worse than after the 01-02 run. Far worse.

Me, I'll be one of the diehard dopes who hangs on til the bitter end........just like last go round.:lol:

puck_it

02-15-2007, 09:50 PM

There were definitely boos coming from my section.

I'll let CL chime in on our booing experience :lol::lol:

SoCalcaniac

02-15-2007, 09:53 PM

No you need to chime in and tell us............It already sounds like a doozy.

Lady J

02-15-2007, 09:54 PM

Me, I'll be one of the diehard dopes who hangs on til the bitter end........just like last go round.:lol:

Hey, I'll sit beside you! I can give you one of my earphones and we can pass the time listening to Duran Duran and drawing on each other's Keds. :D

CaniacKikiBB13

02-15-2007, 09:58 PM

Speaking of booing, the saddest part of the night for me was hearing someone booing from the Canesvision box. Wasn't a big fan of that. :(

SouthernHockeyChick

02-15-2007, 09:58 PM

SoCalcaniac

02-15-2007, 09:59 PM

Hey, I'll sit beside you! I can give you one of my earphones and we can pass the time listening to Duran Duran and drawing on each other's Keds. :D

It's a deal, you got it missy. I think I've driven Mr Socal crazy and he's about to move seats so I need someone to hang with! ;) (but I'm wearin' Vans ok? they make my feet look smaller and remind me of surfing back home in socal) ok, and SHC is sittin' with us too- we'll form a club- think of a name.... :)

EDIT: Kiki- Canesvision people boo'd their team??? WTF????????

bonniebroad

02-15-2007, 10:01 PM

Must chime back in to say, NO MATTER WHAT, I would never boo the team ... By tomorrow, I'll be finding good thoughts to think about them again, and on my way back up, but right now, just having walked out of that game, I'm REAL TICKED OFF with their play! :fire:

puck_it

02-15-2007, 10:01 PM

No you need to chime in and tell us............It already sounds like a doozy.

but shes better at words and things!

Alright so obnoixious loud mouth behind just starts going "BOOOOO! BOOOO!!!" at the top of his lungs. "YOU GUYS NEED TO HEAR THAT, BOOOO BOOO! I CANT BELIEVE I WASTED ALL THIS MONEY, BOOO BOOO".

so the guy in front of us goes, "I'd love to come visit you at work"

"I WOULD TO, ANY TIME MAN, ANY TIME. IF I WERE DOIN A CRAPPY JOB I'D EXPECT TO BE BOOED. BOOOOO! BOOOOOOO! I DONT GET PAID 5 MILLION TO PLAY HOCKEY THOUGH."

guy in front retorts, "no, but im sure you're paid more than you're worth."

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIING. the guy left after that. thank god.

initially i thought the obnoxious noise was a different guy behind us who must have been a deaf-mute. he startled me a few times when he attempted to speak (or call for the storm squad girls), as it was loud. I dont mean to sound insensetive or anything because he couldnt help it... but it was loud.

SoCalcaniac

02-15-2007, 10:06 PM

puck_it you're fine with words, but when CL does chime in, I'm sure she'll have a great way of saying all that- HOLY CRAP I thought all the kooks were upstairs. :lol:

I love how people throw out the "if I did a bad job at work...." card. It makes my sides hurt every dang time. Most people would wilt if they were scrutinized like pro athletes are at their own workplace.

But it's their 'right' to boo- and berate and question man-hoods and all that other bullcrap that goes down when the whole game goes straight to the toilet.

puck_it

02-15-2007, 10:09 PM

so any word on willy?

CaniacKikiBB13

02-15-2007, 10:12 PM

EDIT: Kiki- Canesvision people boo'd their team??? WTF????????

Yup. It was a lone boo, but we all heard it and our mouths dropped a bit. I'm guessing it wasn't one of the main guys - probably the same idiot who was doing the goal signal out of one of the windows during the review in the first. Still pretty disturbing, though.

livinthedream

02-15-2007, 10:14 PM

so any word on willy?

What happened to him? I completely missed it on the ice.

puck_it

02-15-2007, 10:17 PM

me too

canesgirl22

02-15-2007, 10:56 PM

there were some pretty classless Ranger fans at the game. as i was standing there after the game waiting on my friend, i had these 2 drunk, 30-something year olds getting in my face about how we lost and all this. they kept screaming at my untill i started making comments about the Stanley Cup, and that shut them up. but seriously, how classless is that to get up in someone's face who u dont even know. i truley thought i was going to have to get a security guard

TheCaptain

02-15-2007, 10:58 PM

What happened to Willy?

I would suggest embarrassment.

puck_it

02-15-2007, 11:54 PM

yeah.. ok man, whatever you say.

Bonbonsgrrl

02-15-2007, 11:58 PM

Willy they said had some upper body i think they said? or maybe lower body...either way a body injury (come in with quirky no crap sherlock) and Hedi concussion

i didn't see it on the TV and they never showed a replay of what exactly happened

SouthernHockeyChick

02-16-2007, 05:15 AM

It looked to me like a groin issue when Willie went off but, I thought someone said upper body so, not sure.

We ran into a few Rangers fans that were lovely to be around as well. I just figured they were Buffalo fans in disguise. ;)

nccanes

02-16-2007, 05:26 AM

The odd thing about Williams injury was that JF didn't even say "upper body injury" until partway thru the 3rd period. Before that it was "we don't think he'll be back". During the 2nd it was "an undisclosed injury", but for the most part, until late in the 2nd, they just kept saying "we have no information"....which just struck me as odd.

nccanes

02-16-2007, 05:31 AM

JR will be making a killing off of everyone's money just sitting there until next season.

A greater killing than if he had a team IN the playoffs and a sold out building with people buying food/beer/souvenirs and getting hooked on the team?

Anyway - you can always request a refund of unused playoff money, leaving only the req'd deposit for next season's tickets.

aftermath

02-16-2007, 07:13 AM

Our team must feel as if they just can't get a break. We played okay in the first period, but when Willie became injured...well, I just think that all of these mounting injuries have to be affecting them in more ways than one. Obviously, it affects their game, but each time someone else becomes injured, it has to be a major, frustrating blow to their collective confidence. There are apparently guys in the lineup who aren't 100% as well. It has been one, continuous fight for them this season.

I agree with SoCal, Lady J, SHC, and others who will support this team no matter what. Some "fans" are so fickle, expecting the 'Canes to win the SC every single year. I suppose that dilemma arises when a team wins it once. The overall expectations become higher, and anything short of the SCF won't appease those who call themselves fans, but really aren't.

As pathetic as the Flyers' season has been, that fanbase consistently turns out to support their team. Say what you will about Philly's infamous fanbase, but they are solid and supportive. They love their teams in Philly and will support them through thick and thin. I really admire that. In reading some of the previous posts, it seems we could use a little more of that here in Carolina.

nccanes

02-16-2007, 07:29 AM

I agree am. I watched from home and it seemed like after that Dupuis goal/Hedican injury, the team just fell apart.

Granted, we were operating with a pretty sad forward lineup at that point, but they lapsed into that 'we're screwed' mindset it seemed.

SoCalcaniac

02-16-2007, 07:46 AM

aftermath- well said. I especially agree with you on the Philly Fan phenomenon. They still come. They still fill the building- it' really is amazing, and yep say what you will about the passionate, crazy Flyer fans- but they're still there and there is a lesson (I can't believe I'm saying this, lol) to be learned from that bunch.

I with also agree that once we went down with the Hedi and Willy injuries it was freakout time. They've melted under the strain all year, and it was on display last night for sure.

Chuck was on in his usual spot on 620 this morning- He gave me more pause when he says "we'll see where Justin is this morning and whether or not "Jimmy" will have to put in a call to Albany for Keith Aucoin". I'm probably not going to offend many here- but I'm just gonna say it- our forward depth is horrid. Ryan Bayda is not an answer, as evidenced in the last two games- and he's a trooper and I love his spunk, but Keith Aucoin will not be the other 'answer'.

On top of stewing over the loss last night and the magnitude of it, Stillman, Cole, Williams and Hedican all being on the shelf for any additional time, does nothing but cause panic in my heart. I've tried to take these injuries and put them in their proper context, they happen, it's hockey, blah, blah. Now, I'm just not even able to think clearly given what we're facing.

aldamon

02-16-2007, 07:51 AM

I agree with SoCal, Lady J, SHC, and others who will support this team no matter what. Some "fans" are so fickle, expecting the 'Canes to win the SC every single year. I suppose that dilemma arises when a team wins it once. The overall expectations become higher, and anything short of the SCF won't appease those who call themselves fans, but really aren't.

We've been to 11 games this year and the Canes are 1-7-3 with 3 shutouts in those games. Could you please tell us what our expectations should because we're leaning towards 'disappointed' right now. Does that mean we're fickle too?

nccanes

02-16-2007, 08:00 AM

I think it's clear that aftermath wasn't talking about disappointed fans. I think he's talking about fans that pop up at times like this and post a handful of sarcastic things.

StormShaman

02-16-2007, 08:09 AM

We've been to 11 games this year and the Canes are 1-7-3 with 3 shutouts in those games. Could you please tell us what our expectations should because we're leaning towards 'disappointed' right now. Does that mean we're fickle too?
All signs point to yes.

Do I think the game was a grand display of craptacularity last night? Yes. Do I think it would have been nice to see the team get it together and shut up the annoying crowd of Rags fans sitting behind me in 332? Sure. Do I believe the team can do better? Absolutely.

But like SHC said--this is an "average" season. It's not even close to 02-03. The team isn't at the bottom of the league. They're just _average_. If you find it disappointing that we're not at the top of the Conference again just because of the Cup win last season and giving serious thought to not getting playoff tickets, then I just flat don't know what to say.

caneshockeychick

02-16-2007, 08:24 AM

This team is giving me fits. One game they bring the SC Champs out, the next game, they couldn't pass or skate to save their lives.

Last night, the passing was horrendous as was the skating. I've never seen so many of the Canes hit the ice on their own accord. I understand falling down after being hit and I'm ok with that most times but last night it seemed as though their legs were just giving out on them and then...down they go. As for the passing of the puck, man, not too many crisp clean ones. they were either in front of the other skater, behind the other skater or directly into the path of a Ranger. Last night was ugly all around.

I honestly hope that they can get out of this funk that they are in and string together some great wins.

IceSun

02-16-2007, 08:25 AM

Hey, I sat through all of 03-40 and, even worse, 02-03. I'm not going anywhere just because we're having an average season (cause that's exactly what it is) so, we'll all sit together, lol.

I agree, though. Tons of the newer fans don't get that this is not a bad season and they won't re-up. :(

1) I'm with you SHC - this year had much higher expectations, but is still light years better than 02-04 - even with injuries on the same pace. I'm not going anywhere either

2) Although I don't want to see attendance go way down - as a long-time 24-game holder, I won't miss seeing my seats improve back down a few rows again when the fickles who bought full-season's to get Cup tickets bail :D

aldamon

02-16-2007, 08:27 AM

I think it's clear that aftermath wasn't talking about disappointed fans. I think he's talking about fans that pop up at times like this and post a handful of sarcastic things.

OK.

aftermath

02-16-2007, 08:28 AM

We've been to 11 games this year and the Canes are 1-7-3 with 3 shutouts in those games. Could you please tell us what our expectations should because we're leaning towards 'disappointed' right now. Does that mean we're fickle too?

Being disappointed is a feeling we are, no doubt, all experiencing this season. Let's face it. Winning is a lot more fun than losing, but there is an obvious distinction between being disappointed and becoming bitter and disgruntled with the team. As nccanes just posted, I was singling out the select few who seem to enjoy spreading negativity when times are bad.

I just think that as true fans, we need to consider everything that this team has had to endure this season. Being a true fan means that you have to accept the bad with the good. I look at it like a marriage. My husband isn't perfect (neither am I :angel: ), but I still love him, and I won't give up on our marriage. Really when you think about it, as cliche as this may sound, being a true fan is "...for better or worse,...in sickness, and in health..."

I sat there last night with my family, listening to the drunken idiots behind us belittle and begrudge the 'Canes. I am tired of it. I hate fairweather fans. I wrote this in a post earlier...some people have short memories. I will always remember our 'Canes hoisting the SC last season. Those memories will stay with me forever. And maybe I shouldn't write this, but even in the remote possibility that it never happens again, I will always love and support this team--no matter what.

NtheI

02-16-2007, 08:48 AM

In my opinion, the people that boo the loudest or seem to lust for the team to falter, are frustrated weekend warriors of other sports and never laced them up and put themselves out there for others to critique. I am tired of the out of shape slop behind me making stupid remarks that truely show is or hers ignorance of the game and how even skating on the ice at the professional level is harder then their most horrendous day at their work.

IMHO, I hope these people don't renew there ST's and maybe someone that has a clue will pick up the vacated seat(s). I get frustrated watching the guy's play sometime, but I understand that it is a hard grind through the year and you do not win every game. We have good ownership, good team management and great "fan" friendly players.

IMHO, shut up, bond with your kids a little that you have brought to the game and teach the kids the game of hockey, instead of teaching them to be self-centered, self-serving loud, uninformed d@#$s'.

:fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::f ire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fir e::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:

IceSaber

02-16-2007, 08:50 AM

In all fairness...a good bit of the perceived poor play - was a result of the Rangers displaying an incredible ability to clog the passing, clearing, and shooting lanes. They did a nice job! And we had more than a few chances - especially on the Ladd/Staal line, that 'should' have gone in...I think LaRose had a sweet opportunity or two as well. The puck was just sitting there... or 2 inches off a stick with a wide open space over 2/3 of the net...we didn't capitalize when we had the chances and the Rangers played smart.

It's frustrating, it's hard to followup on a storybook year like last year. I felt like Rod's line was never on the ice last night, Whitney was repeatedly offsides (too often for him) when they were, and Ladd and LaRose had the chances and missed last night. Staal played well...just a little more skating and a little less reaching...1/2 step and he's there.

That floater that hit Shanny was wild. Right in front of us...didn't look to hit that hard, must have hit just right!

IceSun

02-16-2007, 09:08 AM

I hate to mix sports up on the thread, but it's hard in any sport to repeat after a championship year. Look at the Steelers this year - they weren't even close to making the playoffs.

At least we are still in position to grab one of the 8 slots and run from there. If the injuries are serious, we are still in position to make a trade in the next few weeks to help the cause. It ain't over till we say it's over so let's drop the doom and gloom, enjoy the remaining games, and hopefully still get a playoff run to enjoy.

Even if we don't make it back to the cup, think about the joy we would get from oh say eliminating Buffalo in the first round before losing to someone else...

TheCaptain

02-16-2007, 09:24 AM

"I agree with SoCal, Lady J, SHC, and others who will support this team no matter what. Some "fans" are so fickle, expecting the 'Canes to win the SC every single year. I suppose that dilemma arises when a team wins it once. The overall expectations become higher, and anything short of the SCF won't appease those who call themselves fans, but really aren't. "

There is a great deal of naivete on this board. It's quite funny. It's like you all want to date a player so you are defending them in the hopes that they will look at you.

I don't need to be lectured on fandom. I'm 36 years old and I've been going to sporting events most of those 36 years. I've been going to Hurricanes games, lots of them, for 9 of those years.

I know when an effort is uninspired. Last night was uninspired effort. Uninspired effort is also known as laziness. And I saw a lot of that last night too.

A losing EFFORT is never booed or sarcastically attacked. Lazy crappy play is.

Staalgurl4ever

02-16-2007, 09:27 AM

That game was ugly. For the first time ever I left the game at the final two minutes. The last two periods were the worst. I at least hope Williams and Hediacan are alright.

caneshockeychick

02-16-2007, 09:31 AM

You know, I could never say that I hadn't left a game early.

I was watching the game at a club last night and some guy came up to me when there were 4 minutes left in the game asking why I was still watching. My response: Ray Whitney scored 3 goals in 1 min and 40 sec the other night. It could happen again. I had that much faith that it was possible it could happen. And I always will.

puck_it

02-16-2007, 09:31 AM

There is a great deal of naivete on this board. It's quite funny. It's like you all want to date a player so you are defending them in the hopes that they will look at you.

then dont come here :)

you couldnt be farther from the truth... so let's knock off the bashing, k?

KaniacFever

02-16-2007, 09:35 AM

Its frustrating, but like some have all already pointed out, its an average season, could be alot worse. Do we like to see our team win of course, do we like to see them come out with effort, of course. But in reality it could be alot worse. I've come to accept the fact that this is not our year. Last year was our year. All the pieces of the puzzle just fell into place. It is very hard to win the Stanley Cup and it is much harder to do it back-to-back. These guys played a grinding playoff series, 90% of the team played injured. They had like 2 months off before having to be back out on the ice.

We started the season with our defense injured and now were ending the season with our offense injured. I'm to the point that I'd rather them miss the playoffs this year and take that extra time to heal their bodies so they will be 100% next year. Cause face it, they haven't been 100% from day 1. I will stand by this team whether their in 1st place or last place. I love these guys and will support them no matter what.

Updates on Injuries, from what I've heard:
Williams: lower body, Lavi said he is "banged up" paper reported that his injury did not look insignificant.
Hedican: concussion
Stillman: not coming back anytime soon
Cole: might return Saturday; he skated yesterday

Good news: Montreal is just as banged up as we are, so atleast it'll be a fair game.

IceSun

02-16-2007, 09:36 AM

I was watching the game at a club last night and some guy came up to me when there were 4 minutes left in the game asking why I was still watching. My response: Ray Whitney scored 3 goals in 1 min and 40 sec the other night. It could happen again. I had that much faith that it was possible it could happen. And I always will.

Last year during the playoff run, there was a game against NJ - at 21.5 seconds, they scored the go-ahead goal. I was so frustrated that I snapped the handle on my pom-pom, but as many people got up to leave, I kept my butt in the seat because "anything is possible" - we all know how that one ended - and yes, I saved that pom-pom...

puck_it

02-16-2007, 09:38 AM

heh, yeah the guy next to me that game was about to leave... i said, "theres 20 seconds left, what have you got to lose... i've seen wierder things happen.."

nccanes

02-16-2007, 09:41 AM

I'm confused how posting something that isn't as sarcastic as Williams' injury being "embarrassment" is deemed naive.

But if we've got to get our the measuring stick, I'm older than you Capt and I've watched sports most of those years myself. I've been going to Canes games for the same 9 years and have attended all but 4 of 31 home Hurricanes playoff games. Get over yourself.

I don't see anyone here talking about how great the Canes played.

(Oh - and Cory if you're reading this.... I'm not really interested in a date, but I'd love some steel toe'd boots if you've got an extra pair.)

aldamon

02-16-2007, 09:42 AM

Last year during the playoff run, there was a game against NJ - at 21.5 seconds, they scored the go-ahead goal. I was so frustrated that I snapped the handle on my pom-pom, but as many people got up to leave, I kept my butt in the seat because "anything is possible" - we all know how that one ended - and yes, I saved that pom-pom...
I have that game on my computer. Love it.

I was watching the game at a club last night and some guy came up to me when there were 4 minutes left in the game asking why I was still watching. My response: Ray Whitney scored 3 goals in 1 min and 40 sec the other night. It could happen again. I had that much faith that it was possible it could happen. And I always will.

That's why we stayed. The 6-goal-3rd game was an inspiration too.

StormShaman

02-16-2007, 09:52 AM

There is a great deal of naivete on this board. It's quite funny. It's like you all want to date a player so you are defending them in the hopes that they will look at you.

Ah yes--when all else fails, drop the puckbunny smack on the female fans. That'll larn 'em.

Pyronite

02-16-2007, 10:24 AM

If the Hurricanes are a relationship and the Stanley Cup was our marriage and honeymoon, this is the part where you start feeling like one side is losing their focus now that they have the big prize for their ring finger.

I agree with everyone else -- it's normal, it's natural, and it's to be expected, but it is still disappointing. The Carolina Hurricanes aren't going to "win the Stanley Cup every year," but nobody has said they expected them to. Different people have different reasons and different thresholds for being upset... if I had gone to 11 games and the Canes had only showed up for 8 of them, I'd probably be a little peeved myself.

Back to the marriage metaphor -- you stick with the team/person, but nowhere does that that say you pretend like everything is fine and things should stay like they are. If you take your husband out for an expensive dinner and he falls asleep in his soup 30% of the time I'm not going to blame you for complaining. (I might blame you for immediately divorcing him...)

Scottie2hottie

02-16-2007, 10:26 AM

I think I can sum all of this up in one quote..."The sun can't shine on the same dog's a** every day."

This is my first year as a "caniac" and I've gotta say that I have definatley seen worse from sports teams. Not to bring other sports into this, but try being a Cubs fan...a team that hasn't won a championship in almost 100 years and yet try getting tickets to Wrigley. 'Canes fans are some of the best I've run into, and I'm glad that I can now call myself an actual fan. :) It's hard as H-E-double-hockey-sticks to win back-to-back championships (ESPECIALLY with the injuries we have)...so if you're a fairweather fan, go find a different team to root for. Thank you.
*steps off soapbox*

gocanes0506

02-16-2007, 10:27 AM

^i dont expect them to win it every year. With the team we have this year, they should be doing better. Its just tought to watch a team thats on the playoff bubble with us and we just get out played. I would have been fine with the lost if they had given their best.

aftermath

02-16-2007, 10:27 AM

It's like you all want to date a player so you are defending them in the hopes that they will look at you.

I should have expected that type of comment coming from you. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. :laugh:

aftermath

02-16-2007, 10:30 AM

(Oh - and Cory if you're reading this.... I'm not really interested in a date, but I'd love some steel toe'd boots if you've got an extra pair.)

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:

livinthedream

02-16-2007, 10:30 AM

There is a great deal of naivete on this board. It's quite funny. It's like you all want to date a player so you are defending them in the hopes that they will look at you.

Dang, I gotta start being less transparent.

Ooooooh, are you really "TheCaptain"? If you are, why don't you PM me sometime???

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hoping my SARCASM is not too thinly veiled for ya...

Scottie2hottie

02-16-2007, 10:31 AM

aftermath

02-16-2007, 10:32 AM

Dang, I gotta start being less transparent. :lol:

Yeah, LTD. That avatar completely gives you away! :lol:

SoCalcaniac

02-16-2007, 10:33 AM

There is a great deal of naivete on this board. It's quite funny. It's like you all want to date a player so you are defending them in the hopes that they will look at you.

Nice and condescending dude. Since many of us are married women and not 19 year old girls; we're not inclined to be"hoping they'll look " at us. Seriously, talk down to us some more. :roll

And while you're not wanting to be lectured about Fandom, and I'll add my measuring stick to nccanes': I've been to not "most" of the Canes games in Raleigh, been to all but 1 being in the hospital kept me from that single game. You've come to the wrong message board if you're gonna come here and blasting people and their passion for this team. While you were on here posting snarky comments about the team and it's play last night, why weren't you in the building 'leaving' the game like others? Oh wait, you were probably one of those who left game 2 vs NJ with 21 seconds left scrambling to get back in the door when the roof nearly blew off :sick: .

People can choose to do what they will at a game if it's not too their liking, i.e. we're losing; I've never left early- never will - I guess it's too late for that if I sat through all of 2002-03, lol.

I've not read one rah-rah post about last game in this thread. Nobody here has rose colored glasses when it comes to this situation- I think we're all realists and know what's up. and most here seem to be in it for the long haul, not jumping off anytime soon. We're entitled to that just as you are entitled to whatever it is your purpose and your posts are.

gocanes0506

02-16-2007, 10:36 AM

True those injuries were hurting. I just believe the lack of consistent effort is hard to watch. Like I said it wouldnt be so bad to watch a loss if they gave it their best. It sucks to watch them lose the way they did last night. Especially, since you watch other games and watch them dominate and out hustle everyone. Its hurts to watch when you know they are better than how they are playing.

Scottie2hottie

02-16-2007, 10:38 AM

*nod* agreed.

c-girl

02-16-2007, 11:30 AM

There's a lot to be said for loyalty. To me, that's the issue. I find it disloyal to boo our team, even when they're playing poorly because I'm pretty darned sure that they aren't doing it deliberately. I'll bet they want to score and win just as much as we want them to. They would probably love to win the Cup again, just like we'd like them to. Does anyone think they don't care? I think they're beating themselves up quite a bit over this.

They've been up against a lot this year. They're the reigning champs with a big ole target on their backs. There's no flying under the radar this year like there was for most of last year. The injuries have been incredible. The team has only been healthy for about two periods all season. There's only been one defenseman who has played every game. That has to factor into the mental states of the ones left to play. I don't call these excuses but reasons.

Lack of effort? Maybe, but I'm not so sure I agree. I go to the games at home. (And stay to the end - every game.) I watch the away games on TV. They look like they're working pretty hard to me. Sure, passes goes awry. Shots get deflected. Shots hit the pipes and don't go in. Cam gets screened and he misses a short. It happens. I don't know exactly what's wrong but it's not my job to figure that out.

I'm female but I passed out of the punkbunny window of opportunity a while back. In fact, I'm not sure I was ever in that window since I've been married forever. But when it comes to my team, I certainly am loyal.

VandyCane

02-16-2007, 12:15 PM

Wow, the wheels of the bandwagon sure do fly off fast! :laugh: Sure last night sucked but we still have a chance at the playoffs. Heck, look at Edmonton last year, they didn't make it to the playoffs 'til the last possible day and they went all the way to the SCF. Personally, from a purely selfish standpoint, I hope all those who are disappointed don't re-up so I can go back to my "old" seats about 10 rows down! Of course if that happens then we have to listen to the old "hockey doesn't belong in NC" spiel. I really did like my old seats though. :evil:

(PS I'm not responding to commodoregirl's post just my amusement at reading 3 pages of posts from 11pm to now!)

RangersCanesFan

02-16-2007, 02:31 PM

To me, this is one of the unintended consequences of overexpansion. No, I'm not going the hockey doesn't belong route.

What I mean is, speaking as both a Hurricanes and a Ranger fan, I see my teams a few games over .500 and think, ok, it's a little bit better than average season, probably won't win the Cup, but a few playoff games are always fun. Then, I look upwards in the standings, and see all these teams in front of mine, and realize that in today's NHL, a team has to play close to .700 hockey to assure themselves of a playoff spot. It hasn't always been that way, and for me at least, as a long time fan of the sport, it does get frustrating. There's very little room for error now. I also think some "new" fans have very little knowledge of how difficult it is to win consistently like the 'Canes did last season. Couple that with free agency--and it's very difficult to win with the regularity that the 'Canes did last year.

Unfortunately, I did not get to see much of the game, thanks to Thursday night bowling (have the 'Canes played every Thursday this year?), but from what I heard on the radio (Thanks XM, because I guess the Canes don't think there are any fans in Charlotte), Chuck seemed to be saying that the Rangers were just outplaying the Canes. I don't know. It does seem like one really good Hurricane effort gets followed up with a lackluster performance.

Booing is subjective. I mean, if your team is dogging it, making mental errors, not playing to their level, and not seeming to give a crap--booing is acceptable. If the team is trying, and just not able to get over the hump--booing is not accpetable. Case in point, NC State football and NC State basketball. Amato's crew was just BAD, while Sidney's guys bust their a$$ every game.

Guyute

02-16-2007, 02:52 PM

I prefer "nowadays" compared to the old days when pretty much every team made the playoffs. You had to really TRY to not make the playoffs. Going to the post season shouldn't be a gimmee imo. Saying that having to have a .700 season to make the playoffs is frustrating is a bit odd.
a .500 team shouldn't get the chance to compete for Lord Stanley's Cup.

SouthernHockeyChick

02-16-2007, 03:40 PM

^ Similar to why I don't like baseball....batting 30% is considered spectacular. 30% was failing where I come from.

I just can't see how buying tickets, coming to the game, sitting in your seats until the last second ticks off the clock, but booing a horrid powerplay is disloyal. :huh: If they're there, they're loyal. What does booing have to do with it?

BTW, in all the talk of disloyalty or bandwagon jumping, I don't think anyone is saying anyone shouldn't be complaining. Hell, didn't we all complain? :lol: It's the folks who want to call us naive for not jumping off the wagon they're so obviously fleeing that we're talking about.

livinthedream

02-16-2007, 03:50 PM

^Tagging on to SHC's comment about the boos...

IIRC, the team was cheered when they left the ice last night. They were also cheered [loudly] during the third period when the guys skated good shifts (and there were still a few good shifts, even in the third period). I heard most of the boos during the last two power plays, which really were dismal.

Whether or not you approve or disapprove of booing (and quite frankly I vacilate on the topic myself), I left feeling that the boos were very much specific to the situation and were not indicative of a lack of support for the team as a whole.

Said another way, I love my kid, but I will ride his a$$ when I don't think he's living up to his potential.

RaisinCane

02-16-2007, 04:03 PM

Some "fans" are so fickle, expecting the 'Canes to win the SC every single year. I suppose that dilemma arises when a team wins it once. The overall expectations become higher, and anything short of the SCF won't appease those who call themselves fans, but really aren't.

First of all fans are NOT disappointed that we are not going to win the Stanley Cup (they could I suppose)... BUT the fans get FURIOUS becuase of a lack of effort!! I have followed this team since they arrived from Hartford and I have never boo'd this team. I have to tell you, based on the effort I have seen put forth by this team frequently, that boo'd inside!!

I expect effort and I expect some pride. I have not seen a lot of that this season.

SouthernHockeyChick

02-16-2007, 04:58 PM

I'll never really understand how I could sit in the stands and effectively judge the effort of the guys on the ice.

Like IceSaber said, the Rangers did a damn good job of clogging things up last night. Often, the team you're playing can make it look like you aren't even trying. Maybe our passing sucked in part because the Rangers had a stick in every passing lane all night long. We don't play in a vacumn.

Another thing that doesn't help situations like last night is that the officiating isn't even close to the standard that was called for most of last season. And the officiating last season was a big part of our success, IMO. When teams are allowed to clog it up for us, we can't play our game. I'm not sure we'd have been nearly as successful last season if the rules hadn't been enforced as well as they were.

TheCaptain

02-19-2007, 02:25 PM

Now that I am back from banning, I'll just say a couple of things before getting back to work.

(1) I have never left a game early. Ever. I have sat through 5-0 shellackings with a 3 year old. Leaving early is stupid.

(2) I was among those shouting at people who left early at the end of the Jersey game. Staal's goal, prior to actually winning the Cup, was the single most exciting thing I had ever seen in sports.

(3) I have been a Colts fan since I was 4. Don't talk to me about long-suffering devotion.

(4) I was not calling any specific person a "puckbunny," to use an inelegant term. Those few of you who saw that as the point of the post which caused the quick trigger finger to flex were mistaken. There is, though, an analogy to be made. Or maybe a simile, maybe a metaphor. Who knows.

(5) They tried in Montreal. See the difference?

puck_it

02-19-2007, 03:33 PM

Now that I am back from banning....of the post which caused the quick trigger finger to flex

My, it seems as though you just dont understand. There was far more that one solitary post.

SouthernHockeyChick

02-19-2007, 03:37 PM

(5) They tried in Montreal. See the difference?

Or, maybe it had a little to do with playing an absolutely reeling Montreal team whose missing several of it's top players. And we had a few top players in who weren't in for the Rangers game. Again, we don't play in a vacumn.

A smilie. Hmm, Ok, so, no one IS a puckbunny, but someone is just LIKE a puckbunny. Yeah, that's so much better.