Markov tells the 'Canes to step off

[StormShaman]

....well, his agent did anyway.

Rutherford says "poo-poo occurs" (http://www.newsobserver.com/front/story/2694515p-2498303c.html)

[talkingcanes]

well, if the Russian offer is so "substantial" that he can reject the NHL. then have at it Markov. Forget him JR and get us a defenseman who wants to play here. I still want to know who knew about this Russian offer in Phoenix as they made the trade. I'm not sorry to see Tanabe gone, but it's a shame we'll end up getting nothing for him.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Crap! I really thought Markov could provide so much of what we needed on the blueline. This is frustrating news.

Still agree on Tanabe, though. Addition by subtraction.

[stewart123]

The Canes did at least get a draft pick.

[AbNormal27]

Just like the article says, until he plays a game in Russia, a deal can still be made. I really don't see a down side here. Tanabe is gone, we still hold the NHL rights to Markov and the sbility to use monies ear-marked to sign him to go after someone who wants to plays here. While it is a shame that we only get a draft pick out of this trade, we have gotten rid of Tanabe, just my 2¢.

Aaryn

[Goldwolf]

you know something....the one thing that really bothers me about pro sports is the $$$$$$

2.5 million is pretty darn close to 3 million

COME ON....ITS 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS

:mad:

sorry.....

[StormShaman]

Gotta love agents. No really, you do.

[Ouragans]

That is really disappointing. I was looking forward to watching Markov play, but if he wants to play in a circa 1960's airplane hanger in a screen printed jersey. I say rock on.

It seems like we are crawling around begging him to play. I do not like to beg. JR should tell Markov and Grossman to Унесите его.

I think we should refocus our attention on Tevrdovsky (sp) or Klee.

I can't believe he turned down 228,750,000 Russian Roubles over three years. But hey, what do I know I'm only worth a couple of million Roubles. :p

[Guyute]

too bad... I like the kid and think he'd be one heck of an addition to our D. but, we still do have time. though if we can get another good Dman, I wouldn't expect a hand to be offered to Markov even if he wanted to come back. there's only so much in the budget.

[VandyCane]

Rutherford says:"There were things we felt we needed to change with our team from a chemistry point of view and with the players we had to trade, there weren't a lot of options out there,"

That's pretty damning of Tanabe, it didn't matter what we got as long as we got rid of him. I didn't realize it was that bad. Just out of curiousity, has he signed with Phoenix or is he planning on holding out with them too?

[hyena]

grr. this thing with Markov pisses me off. he'd rather play in Russia then get 2.5 mil here?!? -- WTF?

JR, please throw that $ to a good d-man that WANTS to play for us.

(or throw it my way, lol) :D

[Shell]

That's pretty damning of Tanabe, it didn't matter what we got as long as we got rid of him. I didn't realize it was that bad. Just out of curiousity, has he signed with Phoenix or is he planning on holding out with them too?

Sure is! He has yet to sign with Phoenix, but they talk as if there is no issue and he will be there. Here are their unsigned restricted free agents from an article on 7/11:
The Coyotes have several restricted free agents they hope to sign before camp in September. They include forwards Daymond Langkow, Mike Johnson, Chris Gratton, Jan Hrdina and Tyson Nash, defenseman David Tanabe and goalie Zac Bierk.

[cmw00]

Well danny boy have fun on your extended russian vacationa.

Hope you enjoyed your short lived NHL career!

[jhardman]

Since there is a strong possibility that there will be no season in '04, the guy is taking the guaranteed money in Russia. A strike in '04 would mean (contract or no contract) that he won't get paid here, and he'd liek to hedge his bets a bit by taking that offer and playing a couple of years, then returning to the NHL.

We'll see it in some other European players during this negotiating period. If they get multi-year offers anywhere close to an offer here, they'll have to think about it because there won't be an '04 strike in Europe.

Personally, i think Rutherford has been brilliant at positioning the Canes to be immediately competitive after the fallout from '04 is over, and particularly *during* the fallout.

[folgersnyourcup]

This is obviously dissappointing news but with all the rumors and craziness floating around right now I don't think we should assume until opening night whether or not anyone that JR is considering adding to the team will be a part of it.

[HockeyPat]

He could always sign for one year at $2.5 and then go play in Mother Russian if/when they strike. :smoke:

[Jeff O Rocks]

Why couldn't he just sign and leave all the drama for the stage!! :mad: It does make you kind of pissed off cause you know this rumor was circulating long before we got him!! :roll:

[talkingcanes]

Why couldn't he just sign and leave all the drama for the stage!! :mad: It does make you kind of pissed off cause you know this rumor was circulating long before we got him!! :roll:

or why couldn't he say, "no thank you to your $2.5 million US dollars, I'm playing in Russia" weeks ago and be done with it. Until he plays a game in Russia, I guess there's a chance. contract negotiations are a strange and perverse world :roll:

[Ouragans]

This person obviously thought a lot of Markov...


http://www.geocities.com/danny_markov_central/DannyMarkovCentral.html

...however, he must have fallen from favor site has not been update in a while

[NCIrish]

I say "Let him go!" It seems this guy values himself far above what the professional organizations do. I think that he would only desert any club that picks him up after a lack luster season and return to Russia anyway.
I repeat "Let him go!" Look inward and to Lowell for answer .
NCIrish
"Go Canes!"

[Ouragans]

I agree Irish, let him go, but I'm not so sure the answer's in Lowell, questions maybe. I think we have some real talent there. It just hasn't surfaced yet.

Slainte'

[Shell]

I would actually prefer to acquire a defenseman that has some NHL experience for fairly cheap, just a 1 year deal... before rushing Malec. defense takes time to learn how to play properly!

[Ouragans]

I agree that our prospects are unproven when it comes to the rigors of a complete season. They showed great promise in their limited roles last season, but I'm leary of resting the weight of 84? games on them.

With respect to Markov. If he, at the last minute, decided to sign with the Canes, would he ever gain the fans respect. His image seems quit tarnished from what's been posted.

[Shell]

personally, I am pissed at Markov right now and cussing him.. however, if he came to his senses and signed for us for 2.5 or less, I would forgive him. Earlier, I was pushing for a longer contract but now I would just want a 1 year to see how the attitude is. If he held out after that (hopefully when hockey starts in 04 :roll: ) then he would lose my respect forever.

[Ouragans]

If he comes. Forgiving is good, but only if he cracks a few heads... :beatup:

I'm out till tomorrow. Work really interfers with my leisure time.

Slainte'

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Well, I'm still of the opinion that it may be his love of and loyalty to his home country that is pulling him towards playing in Russia. Although I must admit my schedule this week has kept me from being able to do much more than skim the articles that are out there about the situation so I may have missed something. Anyway, I can't hold that against the guy. I've read someone say that the Russian league was on the rocks so maybe he's just trying to help out the home team. Anyway, if we do sign him soon(and I still wish we would) and if he ends up playing well for us I won't hold it against him....until the next time he holds out. Then all bets are off.

[Ouragans]

Reading on TSN a lot of people there seem to think he just doesn't want to play here in Carolina...

but, of course they were leaf fans. (no offense)

[Guyute]

that's a load... he was talking about this Russia thing before we traded for him (JR just wasn't informed about it until Afterwards)

[Jeff O Rocks]

that's a load... he was talking about this Russia thing before we traded for him (JR just wasn't informed about it until Afterwards)

I believe that 100%.....

[HockeyPat]

Even if Markov does not sign, it's not so bad. We still have around 2.5 Million to spend, a lot of forwards to offer up as trade bait and Tanabe is gone. :angel:

We are only about one good, solid D-man away from completing the Defense. Wes is back, Hedican will have a great season and St. Jacques is good and getting better. Since Hill seems to follow each bad year with a good year, he is on tract for a career year. Ward is a great hitter and when properly paired, can provide a lot of fire works on defense. Malec can be a good mid-season call up and well Wallin can score during the playoffs.

If we can get a great, stay at home defender that can work the point on the power play, we are golden on defense.

[Ashleygirl]

personally, I am pissed at Markov right now and cussing him.. however, if he came to his senses and signed for us for 2.5 or less, I would forgive him. Earlier, I was pushing for a longer contract but now I would just want a 1 year to see how the attitude is. If he held out after that (hopefully when hockey starts in 04 :roll: ) then he would lose my respect forever.

I don't care for the tactics that seem to be in play around this situation either, but we've got to remember this guy has a life too, and maybe something about being in Russia is more important the the $$? After all, look what Kariya gave up. I've got to respect the idea of doing what you want to do and it's not always about the money...I've never had money to weigh me down, so I just try to find fun in life.

[folgersnyourcup]

Even if Markov does not sign, it's not so bad. We still have around 2.5 Million to spend, a lot of forwards to offer up as trade bait and Tanabe is gone. :angel:

We are only about one good, solid D-man away from completing the Defense. Wes is back, Hedican will have a great season and St. Jacques is good and getting better. Since Hill seems to follow each bad year with a good year, he is on tract for a career year. Ward is a great hitter and when properly paired, can provide a lot of fire works on defense. Malec can be a good mid-season call up and well Wallin can score during the playoffs.

If we can get a great, stay at home defender that can work the point on the power play, we are golden on defense.

I agree, though I still definitely hope Markov will end up being signed. Either way though, I think our defense should be very good this year. Looking forward to seeing what happens come opening night.



Edited in hopes that the hockey gods will forget my transgressions.

[Ouragans]

Hasn't Ward been to topic of some far out trade rumors. Personally, I don't think he was our problem. I never really noticed him that much last season. Probably because everyone around him was screwing up so often, no one was able to focus on any of the good things he did.

Same with Wesley. You don't really notice them until they're gone.

Tanabe on the other hand, had me considering perscription drug abuse...

[Guyute]

~~some misguided thought here that never Ever should've been uttered!~~

DEAR GOD MAN!!!! Are you Insane??!?!?!?

I thought saying "shutout" during a game was bad. holy moly.

[moonstomper]

~~some misguided thought here that never Ever should've been uttered!~~

DEAR GOD MAN!!!! Are you Insane??!?!?!?

I thought saying "shutout" during a game was bad. holy moly.

yeah, thanks for the jynx Folgers ;)

Maybe a mod can edit that before the hockey gods read this, I hear they like to sleep in during the off season so theres still time! :spin:

[folgersnyourcup]

CRAP! I HOPE I EDITED IT QUICK ENOUGH!

[HockeyPat]

After all, look what Kariya gave up. I've got to respect the idea of doing what you want to do and it's not always about the money...I've never had money to weigh me down, so I just try to find fun in life.

I heard that by signing a 1 year deal for that dollar amount immediately allows Kariya to be a Group V UFA and puts him in a better negotiating position with the CBA induced lockout coming. Plus the Avs are only a goal tender away from winning the Cup next year.

BTW, I love you attitude about money. I wish you great health and many, many friends.

I too want Markov in the sightless eye next year. But I don't like negotiations that use bluffs and threats. If he truly wants to go home and play hockey, I wish him the best. But by not settling for arbitration, I think it best for JR to go shopping.

[moonstomper]

We can only hope Folgers, we can only hope :D

[folgersnyourcup]

The final stop though is to edit the quotes of my now edited message. QUICLY, MAKE HASTE, IT MAY NOT BE TOO LATE!

[Stormbringer]

CRAP! I HOPE I EDITED IT QUICK ENOUGH!

Drat...and just when I was getting ready to say "Mecka lecka hi, mecka hidey ho!" in hopes of banishing the hockey gods and especially their cruel sense of humor. There are never enough opportunities to say such fun words...and I hope that remains true. ;)

[HockeyPat]

Let's hope the Hockey Gods are too busy messing with Maple Leaf fans right now. We should all sacrifice a puck by throwing it off the head of Gary Bettman to make amends.

[stewart123]

I don't care for the tactics that seem to be in play around this situation either, but we've got to remember this guy has a life too, and maybe something about being in Russia is more important the the $$?

The only problem is that his desire to play in Russia would have been happily shelved if the Canes had agreed to pay $3 mill, instead of only $2.5 mill. All of the talk about how substantial the Russian offer is smells much more like 'money first, location second'.

I have no problem with a player enforcing a bargaining advantage.. but he doesn't also get to play the Kariya card.

[moonstomper]

^^ excellent point Stew.

[puckin_A]

this was from that site posted....

"Markov still miffed over Olympic referee

PHOENIX, Ariz. (CP) -- Coyotes defenceman Danny Markov is still mad at referee Bill McCreary over the circumstances surrounding last week's Olympic semifinal game between Russia and the United States.

During that game, McCreary refused to check a video replay during a third-period power play by the Russians after Boston's Sergei Samsonov fired a shot that hit the post. The Russians contended it may have crossed the goal-line.

McCreary wouldn't listen to their pleas, and Markov responded with a verbal tirade directed at the veteran NHL ref that included making an obscene gesture. He was subsequently suspended from playing in Russia's 7-2 bronze-medal victory over Belarus.

"All (McCreary) had to do was go watch the video. All he had to do was do his job," Markov told the Arizona Republic. "That's why I was so mad, because he wouldn't do anything. Any referee who has experience like he does, who's a good referee, is supposed to go watch the video, not pull out a whistle and say, 'Let's go play.'

"If it was a goal, it would have maybe changed everything."

************************************************** ***********

??? I don't even remember this incident. Did he flip off McCreary? HA!!!!
Wonder if it was a goal. Probably not. If I remember correctly...every
one was getting tired of all the *****ing the Russians were doing at the
Olympics. And then the big SKATE mistake happened. Don't get me
wrong, I love Russians...........:) (especially the ones that later became
Latvians!)

[stewart123]

On July 18th, the general manager (Leonid Weisfeld) and executive director (Leo Shuruto) of Lada Togliatti held a press conference in Lakhti. Some of the discussion included the Markov situation.

Here is the URL for the transcript in Russian:
http://www.hclada.ru/pr/index.phtml?pr=03-07-18

Q: What is the probability that Markov, who is currently unsigned but still in the NHL, will play for Lada?

Weisfeld: I would say 'sufficiently high'. In Carolina, until now, they think he is bluffing, but this is not true. Markov told me that one day prior to the beginning of the season, if Carolina has not made an acceptable offer, then he will begin to play for Lada. This means that he will not be playing in the NHL the following season. (Note: I cannot tell whether he is referring to 2003/04, or 2004/05)

Q: What were the terms of Danny's contract with Lada?

Weisfeld: Last season, he was the second defenseman for Phoenix, and he simply doesn't want to descend below that level. His position is not based on the fact that he would be underpaid, but defenders of this type in the NHL are evaluated at between 2.5 and 3 million dollars. If the NHL club doesn't have this much money, this is its problem.

A lot depends on the translation, and I welcome any native Russian speakers to help out with the context. But it seems to me he completely sidestepped the question regarding the terms of the contract with Lada, and spoke only of the potential contract with Carolina.

Other parts of the conference discussed Jean-Francois Labbe, a goaltender previously for Columbus who will play for Lada; Igor Grigorenko, a player who is rehabbing from a horrible accident; Maxim Kondratyev, a minor-leaguer with Toronto who has an escape clause in his contract; season tickets for Lada, which currently amount to 4000 orders, 2000 to corporate sponsors, 500 to the box office, and 400 for sale on game-day; and a new stadium to be approved by the city.

The neatest thing I found was a link to their jerseys.. looks like something from NASCAR.

http://www.russianjerseys.com/ladhb.jpg

[nccanes]

I read that same press conference via an online translator (Prompt: http://www.translate.ru/translator.asp?lang=en). Too hard to figure out the intricacies of the language/translation (for me anyway).

I noticed they already have him listed on the roster.

Of course it could all be BS, but interesting opinion about being paid a certain amount based on being the #1 defensemen, rather than what your numbers, experience, and salary history are.

[Shell]

well, I can see why.. Sergei paints a pretty picture....

Fedorov finds Moscow too dirty, expensive
Posted: Wednesday July 23, 2003 12:45 AM

MOSCOW (Reuters) -- Anaheim Mighty Ducks center Sergei Fedorov, on vacation in his native Russia, has found Moscow too expensive even for an NHL multimillionaire.

The former Detroit Red Wings player, who signed a five-year, $40 million contract with Anaheim on Saturday, said Moscow had surprised him with its heavy traffic, badly polluted air and soaring prices.

"Four things surprised me the most: the huge number of very expensive cars in the city, traffic practically gridlocked even late at night, high prices and filthy air," the 33-year-old Russian was quoted as saying by Sport-Express newspaper.

"Detroit has a reputation as being one of the most polluted cities in North America but, believe me, even there you can breathe much easier than here."

Fedorov was an integral part of the Red Wings for the past 13 seasons, leading them to three Stanley Cups before moving to Anaheim as a free agent

[puckin_A]

well he better move near the Pond. I don't know if he has seen anything
like the traffic of southern CAL. I have never been to Detroit. Maybe he
has.

[nccanes]

well he better move near the Pond. I don't know if he has seen anything
like the traffic of southern CAL. I have never been to Detroit. Maybe he
has.

:laugh: Good point Puckin!

[nccanes]

Long article from the N&O today:

A trade goes sour
GM Rutherford learns of Russian option after deal
By LUKE DECOCK, Staff Writer

It was a Friday night in Nashville, Tenn., and the NHL draft was less than 15 hours away.

Carolina Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford leaned on a railing outside the sports bar at his hotel and watched the New York Yankees play the New York Mets. His beloved Boston Red Sox had been rained out and rooting for the Yankees to lose was the next best thing.

But baseball -- the Yankees won 5-0 -- was not the reason he was both nervous and excited on the evening of June 20. Earlier that day he had offered defenseman David Tanabe to the Phoenix Coyotes for coveted defenseman Danny Markov, and that night added prospect Igor Knyazev to the deal. He answered each ring of his cell phone with the eagerness of an expectant father.

About midnight, he heard from Phoenix general manager Mike Barnett. The deal was done.

The next morning, the Canes strutted the draft floor trumpeting the dual acquisitions of Markov and No. 2 overall pick Eric Staal, a player ranked by many as the draft's best prospect.

"We feel like we've hit the lottery," Rutherford said that afternoon.

He should have checked the numbers on his ticket more closely.

On Wednesday, Markov left for Russia, where he now expects to play next season after failing to come to terms on a contract with Carolina.

"We are prepared to live with that," said Markov's agent, Jay Grossman.

The Canes in effect gave away their first-round picks in 1999 (Tanabe) and 2001 (Knyazev) for a phantasm.

After Markov plays a game for his Russian team, he would have to clear waivers to return to the NHL this season. The Russian season begins in September. The Canes have until then to sign him, but there are no indications they will. They have traded for another defenseman, Bob Boughner, who will earn the money budgeted for Markov.

Boughner is a solid player, a defenseman with a physical edge the Canes lack. But the Canes almost certainly would be a better team this season and beyond with Markov, who is younger and has more potential despite missing 75 games because of injuries over the past five seasons.

The Canes say they have offered Markov as much as they can afford to pay him, a three-year deal believed to be worth $2.5 million per season. Markov is believed to be seeking more than $3.3 million per season.

"It's very disappointing because Danny is a player we really like and can help our team," Rutherford said. "At the same time, at a certain point we have to face reality. At some point in time, when he comes back from Russia, we'll welcome him back to Carolina."

The Markov fiasco is the latest blow to a franchise that reached the Stanley Cup finals in the summer of 2002. After that, the Canes opened up their checkbook to keep the finals team together. Only Martin Gelinas, a free-agent departure, was lost.

But Tanabe held out until the eve of training camp, goalie Kevin Weekes suffered a seizure on the first day of camp and goalie Arturs Irbe was afflicted with a sudden and shocking loss of form -- one of many to suffer that fate, although his was most dramatic.

By season's end, after a flood of injuries, the Canes had fallen all the way to 30th in the NHL.

In need of defense

The Canes went into this summer looking for help on defense as their top priority, and liked Markov. Only 26, the Canes thought it possible he could mature into their No. 1 defenseman for much of the next decade.

With a surplus of defensemen and a budget crunch looming, the Coyotes hung a for-sale sign on their blue line. The Canes swept in, first with the Tanabe offer and then the Knyazev sweetener. Markov was theirs.

But by the night of June 22, after the second day of the draft concluded, whispers began to circulate in Nashville that Markov planned to play in Russia in 2003-04. The next day, Markov's agent confirmed that Markov had a "substantial" two-year offer from Russian team Lada Togliatti.

Grossman said he and Markov had begun to solicit offers from Russian teams soon after the season, when it became clear Phoenix would not meet the restricted free agent's demands.

"Our decision-making was done well in advance of this trade happening, with respect to Danny's option to go to Russia and play," he said. "Our decision-making was not predicated on what Phoenix or Carolina was going to do."

Grossman claimed five Russian teams made offers in excess of $1 million. Markov settled on Lada Togliatti, agreeing to terms with the intent to sign after his NHL contract expired on July 1.

An offer from a Russian team is worth far more than the cash involved, especially under current circumstances. Russian salaries are tax-free, with other benefits like housing and living expenses often included. A general rule of thumb is that a Russian offer is worth about twice as much in NHL dollars.

With a lockout expected after the NHL's collective bargaining agreement expires in September 2004, a two-year offer is doubly valuable. If there's no NHL hockey in 2004-05, the Russian league will be flooded with players coming home looking for paychecks. Markov's already would be guaranteed -- a major consideration in his thinking.

"From Danny's point of view, there is going to be no hockey here next year," Grossman said.

Detroit Red Wings center Pavel Datsyuk used a similar offer from Russian team Ak Bars Kazan as leverage to exact a $1.5 million contract from the Red Wings in June, a hefty raise from $625,000. When Rutherford learned of the Markov offer, he said he saw it as the same strategy.

"I did not know about or expect the Russian option," Rutherford said. "Although I guess when you think about it, it's happened with Russian players."

But Rutherford didn't learn of the Markov offer until after he made the trade. Grossman said the Coyotes were never told of the Russian offer, negotiations with the team having broken off long before it was finalized.

If Phoenix had known, the Coyotes would have been likely to warn Carolina. Barnett and Rutherford have a long history of dealing with each other, and the NHL is too small a world to risk relationships over something like this.

Under the league's tampering rules, Rutherford would have needed to get permission from the Coyotes to speak with either Markov or Grossman before making the trade. That isn't normal procedure in the NHL when acquiring a restricted free agent because under most circumstances they have few options.

The Canes did not consult with defenseman Sandis Ozolinsh or his agent before trading for the restricted free agent in June 2000. It took a month to agree on a five-year, $25 million contract.

"I guess we agreed what his market value was," Rutherford said. "We were both within the same range of what we felt he was worth."

Early signs were good

Rutherford was optimistic after his first conversation with Grossman, but negotiations went nowhere even after a July 4 lunch meeting between Rutherford and Markov in Toronto that both sides characterized as positive.

With the free-agent market thinning out and trade options becoming fewer, Rutherford decided to force Markov's hand. A week after dining with Markov, he made what he portrayed as Carolina's final offer.

Markov rejected it; on July 16 , the Canes traded for Boughner, who at $2.3 million fills the budget slot allocated for Markov.

"We gave it our best shot with him," Rutherford said. "He rejected our offer we went and added another defenseman."

Wednesday, Grossman said Markov left his home in Toronto for Russia to begin training with Lada Togliatti. Markov did not return calls seeking comment, but Grossman said he remains open to playing in the NHL this season.

"We very much respect the fact that Carolina has taken the time to meet with Danny. I think Jim hit it off with Danny," Grossman said.

"They gave what they thought was their best effort to sign him but, A, there are teams out there willing to pay what we're looking for and, B, there is still plenty of time, if one wants to be creative, to get a deal done with Carolina."

The Canes retained Markov's NHL rights by tendering him a qualifying offer before the July 1 deadline. If he plays in Russia, he becomes a "defected player" and the Canes retain his rights indefinitely.

That doesn't do Carolina much good now, at a time when the team desperately needs strengthening. Rutherford said he will not trade Markov's rights, and that getting the struggling Tanabe out of Carolina was as important as obtaining Markov in the first place.

"There were things we felt we needed to change on our team from a chemistry point of view," Rutherford said. "With the players we had to trade, there weren't a lot of options out there. We got a really good asset and hopefully sometime we'll get to see that asset play."

If he had it to do all over again, Rutherford said he would still make the deal.

"We feel he's a greater asset than what we traded," he said. "Obviously, when we made the trade we thought he was going to play over here."

Every day, that looks less likely. Every day, the Canes have less to show for it.





and a timeline:

JUNE 20: In Nashville, Tenn., for the NHL draft, Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford offers defensemen David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev to the Phoenix Coyotes for defenseman Danny Markov, a restricted free agent. About midnight, Phoenix general manager Mike Barnett agrees on the trade.

JUNE 21: The Canes announce the deal moments before taking center Eric Staal with the No. 2 overall pick. "We feel like we hit the lottery," Rutherford says.

JUNE 23: Markov's agent, Jay Grossman, confirms Markov has a two-year contract offer from Russian team Lada Togliatti for a "substantial sum."

JUNE 25: Rutherford and Grossman open negotiations.

JUNE 30: The Canes tender a qualifying offer worth $1.6 million to Markov, retaining his NHL rights.

JULY 4: Rutherford and Markov have lunch in Toronto. "He made it very clear that if he gets the contract he would like from Carolina, he'll stay here," Rutherford says.

JULY 7: Rutherford and Grossman talk again, making little progress.

JULY 14: Markov rejects Carolina's latest offer -- believed to be a three-year contract worth $7.5 million .

JULY 16: The Canes trade for physical defenseman Bob Boughner.

JULY 23: Markov leaves Toronto for Russia to begin training with Lada Togliatti.

[VandyCane]

"I did not know about or expect the Russian option," Rutherford said. "Although I guess when you think about it, it's happened with Russian players."

But Rutherford didn't learn of the Markov offer until after he made the trade. Grossman said the Coyotes were never told of the Russian offer, negotiations with the team having broken off long before it was finalized.

If Phoenix had known, the Coyotes would have been likely to warn Carolina. Barnett and Rutherford have a long history of dealing with each other, and the NHL is too small a world to risk relationships over something like this.

I was glad to hear that Grossman and Markov had not told Phoenix about the Russian offer. It would have been extremely slimey for Phoenix to have knowingly screwed us.

[stewart123]

Rutherford said he will not trade Markov's rights

So much for that idea. I suppose it would be similar to selling a stock on its way down, which would put a specific price on the bad trade.. whereas Rutherford hopes the value will go back up in the future, and if not, at least it will be further in the past and out of people's minds.

Of course, there are those who feel that Rutherford's word can't be trusted. That indirect quote certainly makes it clear that he 'will not trade' the rights, as opposed to saying 'not trading', or 'not planning on trading'.. so any move that direction would definitely be a lie. I'm surprised he didn't stick with language that provides a bit of maneuvering room, just in case a wealthy team checks in with a good offer.

[Kat]

Of course, there are those who feel that Rutherford's word can't be trusted.

Here we go with this again. :roll:

[nccanes]

I read a poorly translated article from sport-express.ru, Russia's leading sports newspaper about how various Russian hockey players are dealing with the looming NHL lockout. In fact they used the term "rehearsal for lockout".

From what I could gain it seemed to confirm how much Russians would be looking to the Russian leagues as their safety nets and how much the leagues were basically drooling over that prospect - AND working hard to bet those "safety net" contracts.

It kind of lumped players into different categories, those that had already signed big NHL contracts, those that had not (Markov mentioned here obviously).

It closed saying:

"What a boom it will be in superleague in the summer 2004 when 60 best masters of domestic hockey with a 99 percent chance that they will be unemployed?! "

:sick:

Markov may be trying to beat the rest to the biggest/fattest contract.

Anyone know about his agent's take on a Russian contract? Gotta a lose a lot in the currency exchange one would think. :crazy: I wonder if the agent is the one hoping that things will get worked out and Markov has already moved on. :sad:

[Vrbata19]

I'll admit, I was pretty excited about having Markov come to us at first. I don't know why, maybe the fact that it got rid of Tanabe sparked my excitement about Danny. If you think about the luck that Rutheford has had with ANY Russian players in the past, you'll see that it just does not work out.

It is more about the fact that there was no compensation to us that upsets me. As far as I'm concerned, He can go freeze his butt off in Russia and do odd-jobs for the mafia.
But, now if Danny decides to come back in a year or two and play against us, I hope he doesnt miss the plane to Raleigh

[nccanes]

Okay, anybody read Russian out there?

There is an interview with Markov on the Lada website. I've run it through an online translator and it's very poor at best. It's long and talks about other things, but here is what I inferred from the part that pertains to the Canes.

-He says that he knew he wasn't going to return to Phoenix - that the salary gap was large
-He says the differences with Carolina are "smaller" and needs only to take a "small step", but that he won't do it. Translated he says "Also I shall agree only to that minimum on which I insist." or the Canes will trade him somewhere else. He thinks/hopes the Canes will be reasonable.
-He was asked about making even less in Russia and he says that it's the principle (I think) and that he thinks training there is pleasant and he'll get something out of it.
-He chose Lada over other clubs because of some scout or Trainer that worked with Toronto (I think), the money from other clubs was the same.
-He was asked about the conditions at Lada and he they were fine, he's not choosy
-They asked about the probability of him staying and he said that he thought negotiations would pick up in September when NHL training camp begins. He hopes that Carolina will solve this in a "kind way". If not, he'll stay at Lada.

If you'd like to take a gander at the Prompt translations here you GO! (http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhclada.ru%2Finterview%2Findex.pht ml%3Fpr%3D03-07-30&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=51&psubmit2.y=14).

For those that read Russian, go here: http://hclada.ru/interview/index.phtml?pr=03-07-30

Oh and his first training day with them was yesterday.

[Turbulence]

Hey, at least we're close.
I have hope that he'll fold...but I don't want JR to fold. As Markov said...it's the principle of the thing. But he doesn't sound as conceited as he had made himself out to be...

[nccanes]

But he doesn't sound as conceited as he had made himself out to be...

Agreed. Perhaps it's as conceited as his agent made him out to be.

Of course, the translation could be total crap. :laugh:

[Turbulence]

:D Good point!

[talkingcanes]

he hopes the Canes will resolve it in a "kind way". He sounds like Scarlett O'Hara :eek2: :)

[nccanes]

LOL TC.

Remember anything in quotes was run thru the translator thingy. ;)

[ontheboards]

I posted this info on the Select-A-Seat thread/topic, but thought I'd share here, for what it's worth...Tonight at select-A-Seat, one of the canes management/ticket people (this was the guy who addressed the audience after the videotape with JR and answered questions-- announced it from his little lectern) said the canes were pretty certain they would sign Markov this season-- now, he didn't say when in the season and I don't know if that is B.S. or had some truth to it. did anyone else hear this during their Select-a-seat event??

[Ouragans]

Told us the same thing a month ago when the news paper article came out. Waved the paper around and said it was a negotiating ploy. I'm still waiting...

[HockeyPat]

You know, JR did say he was going to ask PK if he could have more money to get better on the blueline. Money, Smoney. Just sign him. The only principle I care about is the principle that wins us the Stanly Cup. I spent way over budget on the Canes myself, so spend a little and lets bring the cup on home to the Southland.

It's not like I'm asking them to go NYRangers on him or anything. How about offering him $2,999,999 and lets play hockey.

[Guyute]

Well, thing is... I believe we're currently about 4 million over budget. still need to sign a few guys... Cole for one.

I could accept the loss of Ward to get Markov signed... and that's probably what would need to happen.

[Ouragans]

I like Ward but if I had to pick one of the current "D" to move , he would probably be the one. Send Ward some where just to dump salary, sign Markov and I'd say we have one nasty defence.

[Turbulence]

Ward only makes $2mil per year...even if we cut him loose and sign Markov for $3mil, we're still $1mil more over budget. Unless we can find room for one more million in the budget, it wouldn't make sense to cut Wardo loose.
Anyway, Ward is a good aggressive d-man for this club. Unless we absolutely have to, I don't want to let him get away.

[Guyute]

no no... I didn't say I Wanted to get rid of Ward. just that if it was FOR Markov, it would be acceptable, to me. For those of you that haven't seen a lot of Markov, you'll have a different opinion I'm sure. But, I have seen a lot of him. I want that kid signed.

[Turbulence]

Would he be good enough to get rid of Ward and Wallin? That would still be feaseable as far as depth at that position is concerned and Wallin's $750k would close the gap between Ward and Markov's salary....

[Guyute]

is he good enough to make that trade-off possible?
yes.

would I do it if I were JR?
no.

Nicky is HUGE. stand next to him when he's out of his gear. he's still a monster. he's young. he performs under pressure. it's too early to know how good he might be.

[Shell]

He is huge! Most pics I take at practice come out to where I am just about level with them, slightly shorter.. however, I only made it up to his chest:
http://home.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/55/55766/folders/64050/414438Practice21.jpg

[folgersnyourcup]

I definitely agree Guyute. I think guys like Wallin are needed on every team. And yeah he is definitely tall. Compare him to me in the pic I posted in the mug shots thread... He obviously came up HUGE at the perfect times during the cup run. If only he'd capped off his playoff OT hat trick in the 3rd OT of game 3 of the finals.... :D

I'm with Pat here. I say just sign him. If Ward is given a new home solely for the purpose of being able to free up enough money to sign Markov for 1 million dollars more instead of 3 then I am all for it. Markov is really one hell of a tough defenseman. Yes, the Canes have already added Boughner, but I can only imagine at this point how formidable the Canes' defense will be if they sign Markov as well.

Plus, I was a bit annoyed at getting the newest issue of Sporting News in the mail, turning to the NHL section and seeing a blurb that the biggest trade bust of the offseason belonged to the Carolina Hurricanes... :mad:

[Ouragans]

...Anyway, Ward is a good aggressive d-man for this club. Unless we absolutely have to, I don't want to let him get away.

I like Ward too and our current D looks better than last season...to me. But, defensively, I still like Markov over Ward. Budget not being an issue and I know it is.

I'd make up the difference $$$ myself, but its been a slow month and I'm about $ 999,950.OO short.

[Turbulence]

Don't worry, Ouragans...I'm sure PK can take out a home equity loan or something and loan you the difference. :spin:

[Ouragans]

Interest rates are attractive.

Have you got his home #. I think I should give him a call and get this deal rolling. :smoke:

[Turbulence]

Interest rates are excellent right now...

Just dial 911...it's a big enough emergency for the d-corps this year.

[Cool Hand Luke]

In my opinion Ward is expendable if we sign Markov, but I would keep Wallin. Svoboda makes close to a million, maybe we could trade him for a high pick next year and save the extra cash there. Not that I dislike Jaro he's a good 2way player, but he might not even make the team this year if other guys step up. Plus, he makes alot to be a 4rth line grinder.

I'm wondering what "principle" Markov is referring to concerning the main purpose of his holding out for more money. It's not like he's ever done anything for the Canes that they need to compensate him for. He is a really good player though and we could especially use him on the powerplay as well as on the defense.

[Turbulence]

I disagree re: Svoboda...this guy has tremendous potential to be the next good two-way player...something a team like this can't get enough of with our defensive-mindedness. Just give him a little time to mature splitting his time between Lowell and Raleigh and he'll develop, I'm sure.

[nccanes]

I'm wondering what "principle" Markov is referring to concerning the main purpose of his holding out for more money. It's not like he's ever done anything for the Canes that they need to compensate him for.

I think the "principle" is "I think I'm worth 3.2 million dollars". Of course anyone can live off the 2.5 (or whatever JR was offering) and it's still a 1 million dollar raise, but he's not prepared to budge it seems.

[guinevere]

I'm not saying this would happen. I understand the kid is good but can you imagine the fiasco if JR caves, we sign this guy and he tanks?http://smil.hotbox.ru/sm2/116.gif (Seriously, we don't seem to bring out the very best in our players .

Guin

[AbNormal27]

I have spoken with other who post here about this "moving Ward to secure Markov" talk we have had here, and we are all in agreement........... THIS MAKES NO SENSE. Having too many d-men is a good thing. This way we don't have to worry about dipping into Lowell's coffers for available players if we have enough capable guys up here. Say we do move Ward to secure Markov and he does go down with an injury, and then Hedican goes down, and then Wallin goes down? Where do we go? Lowell? Of course, but if we have another capable NHL d-man IN OUR LINE-UP, we don't feel the pinch. I think that having Ward, who is an asset we have in our line-up, instead of moving him to secure Markov is only a PLUS. I would love to see Markov in the Sightless Eye too (I have been forcefed enough of him during Leafs broadcasts in my neck of the woods). But moving one of our own known and loved guys to do it (since we already moved Tanabe to get him) makes no sense. I think JR should pressure GOP to loosen the purse strings a bit to get Markov on board (to a point), but don't sign him for a ridiculous amount (maybe he wants a longer term deal, 4-5 years?). This is just my 2¢, but it is shared by others here.

Aaryn

[nccanes]

I don't disagree with you in general Aaryn, but I think people realize that the purse strings might not be loosened and are perhaps willing to part with Ward if it helps get Markov here. Think of it as "I'd rather have Markov and no Ward instead of Ward and no Markov". If the question is either/or, but not "both", then some folks are picking Markov (with the assumption of trading away Ward and his $2 mil salary gets us his sig on the dotted line.)

I think the purse strings will be tight at least until the Irbe situation is resolved.

[AbNormal27]

Think of it as "I'd rather have Markov and no Ward instead of Ward and no Markov". If the question is either/or, but not "both", then some folks are picking Markov (with the assumption of trading away Ward and his $2 mil salary gets us his sig on the dotted line.)

THIS I understand, but like I said (after being forcefed Leaf games), I still say Ward is a better choice.

I think the purse strings will be tight at least until the Irbe situation is resolved.

I think EVERYONE knows my feelings on this.

Aaryn

[tommy]

Having too many d-men is a good thing.

AMEN!

I present to you exhibit A: When the Canes traded Malik and Langdon, and then the injuries nagged the d-men (whoever got injured, I've already tried to forget), and we were left woefully short on the blue-line. Too many d-men, especially decent ones, is a GOOD THING, like Abnormal said. The money issue... I realize that, and it sucks, the Irbe situation, but who says we can't spend 40 mil? Francis isn't gonna be here forEVER, that will free up some in coming years... I doubt we're gonna be spending 4 million more every year.

[nccanes]

How much are you talking? Purse string wise?

The recent article said that salary is currently at 34.8 without counting Markov, Irbe's salary and with the qualifying offers to Cole, Vasicek, and Svoboda.

So, until Irbe is handled that's 2.something - bring us up to 37 mil. Markov (as of now) will require another 3 mil. We're talking $40 mil w/o a dime more than the qualifying offers to Cole, Vasicek, and Svoboda. I'm not PK, but I can't see him agreeing to this - particularly this year. Is that what you're hoping/dreaming for, or are you expecting to cut salary somewhere else.

[AbNormal27]

How much are you talking? Purse string wise?

The recent article said that salary is currently at 34.8 without counting Markov, Irbe's salary and with the qualifying offers to Cole, Vasicek, and Svoboda.

So, until Irbe is handled that's 2.something - bring us up to 37 mil. Markov (as of now) will require another 3 mil. We're talking $40 mil w/o a dime more than the qualifying offers to Cole, Vasicek, and Svoboda. I'm not PK, but I can't see him agreeing to this - particularly this year. Is that what you're hoping/dreaming for, or are you expecting to cut salary somewhere else.

OK, let's look at it from the optimist's view. Irbe will re-coil his ego and accept a re-structuring of his contract which will make him more appealing to other teams and he will be traded (savings), therefore freeing up some money to put towards Cole, Vasicek, Svoboda, and/or Markov. Now, know GOP, like we all know him, and seeing how the Wings have been spending, but on a "tight" budget, even for them (Whitney, 4yrs, 13Mil?), will "find" a few "extra" million to bring in what is needed to get over the hump we had in the 02 Finals.

From the pessimist's view, he will NOT do anything with Irbe to stroke his own ego, and stand pat on all negotiations with all players due to the impending doom that will fall upon the NHL due to the CBA.

Now I ask you, which side are you on? I have been around for more than 25 years, and am FOREVER the optimist. Sorry, just my hope on this.

Aaryn

[nccanes]

If you've read any of my posts, I'm certainly an optimist. But when it comes to the money spent on this team, I'm also a realist.

I'll be as happy as the next Canes fan if Irbe is handled and PK finds some more cash, but I don't see the Canes topping the record salary budget they had last year - especially when they have said they are trying to reduce.

I realize you have been around for 25 years - you've mentioned it a few times ;), but your "if" is dealing with Irbe, keeping Ward, and signing Markov. Other folks were just talking about another "if" - Markov's salary being met by relieving salary elsewhere.

You said this previously...

I have spoken with other who post here about this "moving Ward to secure Markov" talk we have had here, and we are all in agreement........... THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

I'm sure you didn't mean to make it sound like people with an opposing viewpoint (less optimistic, more realistic, pessamistic?) made no sense, but the ALL CAPS come on a bit strong. :)

[AbNormal27]

... but your "if" is dealing with Irbe, keeping Ward, and signing Markov. Other folks were just talking about another "if" - Markov's salary being met by relieving salary elsewhere.

You said this previously...

I have spoken with other who post here about this "moving Ward to secure Markov" talk we have had here, and we are all in agreement........... THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

I'm sure you didn't mean to make it sound like people with an opposing viewpoint (less optimistic, more realistic, pessamistic?) made no sense, but the ALL CAPS come on a bit strong. :)

No, I was just making the case that losing Ward, just to get Markov, wasn't a brilliant move. 2 d-men are always better than one less d-men. Irbe, at this point is a lost cause and we should cut our losses. As far as GOP opening up the purse strings, those in the know, know that he has a bug up his craw when it comes to Mike Ilitch and the Wings. If it takes spending a few extra million to get all the tools to bring the Cup to Carolina (remember, I'm in the Toronto/Detroit area and Detroit has won a Cup recently [pause to cry again, damn you Shanahan]), I think he just might. JMHO, and I do respect other's here, but trading Ward to get Markov, whom I've had to watch in Toronto, and watch get hurt often in Toronto, it makes no sense.

Notice, I didn't use all caps.

Aaryn

[nccanes]

Notice, I didn't use all caps.

Aaryn

Much better :).

[AbNormal27]

Much better :).

mmmm hmmm :roll:

Aaryn

[MoBigRed]

I think the "principle" is "I think I'm worth 3.2 million dollars". Of course anyone can live off the 2.5 (or whatever JR was offering) and it's still a 1 million dollar raise, but he's not prepared to budge it seems.


Right on.

I know there have been people along the way who thought i was a little bullheaded concerning players wanting so much money to play the game they supposedly love, but if poor baby Markov can't survive on a measly $2.5million, perhaps he is better off in Russia after all.

I want to see the Canes win just as much as the next guy, but i have no patience for such crap that Markov is pulling. Don't let the door hit you too hard on the way out, jerky...

[nccanes]

but who says we can't spend 40 mil?

Well, Jim Rutherford has said it, so I presume that means PK has said something like that.

You raise a good point about Francis' salary disappearing in the near future, but I'm sure that point hasn't been lost on JR when he's done the longer range planning.

Of course, every single Canes fan would be thrilled if things loosened up and we got those missing pieces. At least until ticket prices go up for the next season (whenever that ends up being). ;)

[olivia1299]

The last interview JR did with 850, he all but said 40 mil is doable. He said PK and the canes realize that they have to continue to invest in this fanchise in order to build the market. In other words we can't risk putting another bad team on the ice, the fan base is to fragile.

This is most likely Ronnie's last year and that alone will trim payroll 5.5 mil. Irbe will definitely be off the books next year,that's another 2.75mil.
So the investment is only on a one year term.

About keeping Ward and Wallin, if the canes are able to sign Markov, the problem is not only the money, but space. The team can't carry 8 defensemen, so that means someone would have to go down to Lowel. I don't see Ward or Wallin playing with the Lochmonsters. They would have to clear waivers in order to be reassigned and then you risk losing them and getting nothing in return.

[nccanes]

Glad to hear that JR was talking big money - I hadn't heard that. :D

Ronnie is only making 4.4 this season. He didn't meet the 60 point season incentive last season so his salary goes down a bit. I hope the Irbe situation is resolved, but there is no guarantee that we won't be paying something towards it next season (though not the full 2.75).

As far as D-men, we wouldn't have to send Ward or Wallin to Lowell. Since we've traded Tanabe this is what we're left with NHL-wise:

Wesley
Hill
Hedican
Boughner
Ward
Wallin
and maybe Markov

That leaves St. Jacques and Malec above and beyond 7 dmen and likely destined for Lowell.

As Aaryn pointed out - it's a doable situation - it's just whether or not they'll actually do it. :)

[Jeff O Rocks]

The longer Markov holds out, the more I am getting bored with his holdout bs!! :mad: You know the team is watching and waiting and I am sure they are sick of it too. Primeau helped this feeling along by holding out and Tanabe pissed everyone off last season too!! Get on with!! I know Markov's situation is a little different, but please shi* or get off the pot! :crazy:

I personally want Ward to stay. I like him, his spunk and his physical play! :roll:

[Cool Hand Luke]

Now, I'm not trying to offend any Ward fans here, but what do you see in the guy? He's more than a step slow and about as inconsistent as they get. He's not a bad 5 or 6 dMan but, he's making way too much money to fill that role. My guess is that he hasn't been traded yet because other teams GM's agree with me, he's just not worth the money. Think about it, Scottie Bowman is no idiot and he cut Wardo loose for a draft pick.

I agree with the thinking that if we sign Markov, we don't need Ward and his 2 million dollar salary anymore, especially for him just to be some injury insurance policy. If I owned the team, I wouldn't pay it. I'd rather see St Jacques on the ice making the mistakes, he might learn from them.

To say some positives, yes Ward is physical at times and does stick up for his team-mates. He's capable of a good pass on occaision. But to expect him to be more than a 5-6 dman or to expect any offense at all out of him is being unrealistic, in my opinion.

[cmw00]

I don't understand why people would want Ward if we signed Markov. Markov is a better dman that Ward could ever wish to be. I'd like to see St. Jacques in the top 6 anyways.

With Hedican, Hill, Wesley, Markov, and Boughner, I think we could afford t ohave one potentiall great young dman on the ice.

I think St. Jacques at his current level will benefit more from NHL experience than the minors. Also given our limited number of spots at Lowell would be even more reason to trade Wallin or Ward, if we sign Markov.

[folgersnyourcup]

CMW, I think the one of the reasnos they are bringing up keeping Ward is to avoid the possibility of something like last year where once a couple d-men got injured we were left well.....defenseless. Markov has been very prone to injury in the past and if Ward was moved to acquire Markov and Markov went down 30 games into the season then there could be the makings of a big problem.

There are always risks though and if the Canes sign Markov he may very well play all 82 regular season games plus playoffs. It will be interesting to see what ends up happening.

I am also tired of this as well. Holdouts are very boring.

The season needs to hurry up and start.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I like Ward. I think he is better than most give him credit for being. He was the ONLY guy playing physically for most of the season last year and he had some injuries just like everyone else they were just never given as an excuse.

That said, if we have to trade him to sign Markov I'm all for it. I'll miss him but I have heard too many things about Markov that makes him seem to me like he is exactly what we need.

I'd love to see us keep Ward AND sign Markov but with the signing of Boughner I don't see us coughing up $3 mil for Markov without cutting a mil or so somewhere....ie Ward. Just my opinion though.

I'll be super, super surprised if we sign Markov so all this is probably moot anyway.

[cmw00]

I know, in a perfect world I'd love to have my Markov and Keep my Ward to! :D

But I doubt thats possible mainly due to roster spot restrictions both in the minors and in the NHL and money. We can only dress 20 skaters, and only have like 24(or somthing close to that) total including scratches? We have a couple good defenders in the minors like Malec. Last season was a fluke injury plagued one. You can about gurantee that seasons like last season will not happen that often.

So if we could sign Markov I'd say dump ward, play St. Jacques, scratch Wallin, leave Malec in the minors and pic up another capable scratch defensemen to put in the NHL has the 8th man. Reading what Markov said the other day, if we could dump ward and Irbe's money we'd have more than enough money to sign him for close to what he wanted and pick up another cheap scratch defensemen. We could probaly trade ward for the 2nd scratched dfensemen.

Ward is simply just to expensive to scratch every night until injuries. However if we do not sign Markov I surely don't mind having ward play as the 5th or 6th man.

[AbNormal27]

I'm not sure I'm following the logic here about moving Ward. Didn't we trade a regular d-man (Tanabe) to get Markov? So, therefore there already is a hole to fill. Moving Ward to free up some salary would give us the extra $$$, but that would still leave us with a hole.

Aaryn

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I'm not sure I'm following the logic here about moving Ward. Didn't we trade a regular d-man (Tanabe) to get Markov? So, therefore there already is a hole to fill. Moving Ward to free up some salary would give us the extra $$$, but that would still leave us with a hole.

Aaryn

But when Markov said "no" we went ahead and picked up Boughner. Markov would be an extra now. Isn't that right? I've been "away" for a while and maybe I've missed something.

[HockeyPat]

I don't understand why PK doesn't just go out to the money tree that grows outside his Compuware office and get the deal done.

I have a dream, a dream rooted deeply in the Canadian dream. Jim Goodnight and Sen. John Edwards pool the money that has collected in the bottom of their couches, and pay Markov’s salary. Sure, he would have to be a Senate page and a computer programmer during the off season, but hey, it’s 3.2 (In an Austin Powers voice) Million dollars.

OK here’s the deal (In a Ross Perot voice), I’ll agree to buy one piece of Hurricane licensed merchandise a month, and two brand new Hurricane sweaters, if JR agrees to pony up the scratch to get this here dog huntin.

C’mom fellow Cane fans, who’s willing to buy some more Hurricaneware. I got the season tickets, I bought a Hurricane NC license plate , I now wear something with Hurricanes on it every day of the week and I watch every Hurricane game that is televised. I even tape the games I’m at so I can come back and watch the commercials so I can support the companies that buy commercial time for Hurricane games. I’ve sacrificed, and I’m willing to do a little more if that’s what it takes.

Then I want Magnus Arvedson.

[Turbulence]

Then I want Magnus Arvedson.

Amen!

[AbNormal27]

But when Markov said "no" we went ahead and picked up Boughner. Markov would be an extra now. Isn't that right? I've been "away" for a while and maybe I've missed something.

DOH! You got me there Angie! Forgot about that move. Stupid brain. :spin:

Aaryn

[nccanes]

DOH! You got me there Angie! Forgot about that move. Stupid brain. :spin:

Aaryn

mmmm hmmm :roll:





;)

[cmw00]

But when Markov said "no" we went ahead and picked up Boughner. Markov would be an extra now. Isn't that right? I've been "away" for a while and maybe I've missed something.

Nope! Markov wouldn't be an "extra" ::
Hedican, Hill, Wesley, Boughner, St. Jacques/Ward and Markov.
Scratch Wallin and dump ward/pick up some other $500,000-$900,000 as 2nd healthy scrathy.

Thats a pretty impressvie Deffensive corp!

[SouthernHockeyChick]

But when Markov said "no" we went ahead and picked up Boughner. Markov would be an extra now. Isn't that right? I've been "away" for a while and maybe I've missed something.

Nope! Markov wouldn't be an "extra" ::
Hedican, Hill, Wesley, Boughner, St. Jacques/Ward and Markov.
Scratch Wallin and dump ward/pick up some other $500,000-$900,000 as 2nd healthy scrathy.

Thats a pretty impressvie Deffensive corp!

My post about him being an extra was in reference to a poster asking if there wasn't a hole left by Tanabe that we needed Markov to fill and also keep Ward to have a full line-up. When Markov didn't sign we picked up Boughner to fill Tanabe's hole. Therefore, as of right now, while we still have Ward, Markov is an extra. Yes, as should have been obvious from my previous posts, if we drop Ward we will need someone (Markov) to fill the spot.

[ontheboards]

HELP THE NEWBIE UNDERSTAND! Do you really think Markov will be a Cane by October 11 at 7PM? I am thinking this is a deal gone bust and we eat the trade to Phoenix for the time being. I then read translations, poor or otherwise, Markov is not budging and this is principle. I read "the budget is the budget" and when Markov said no, the Canes get Boughner to fill the hole with the message, "enjoy Russia!" Then I go to select-a-seat and corporate hockey types tell me chances are very good for Markov to be signed-- now I am buying tickets knowing Markov is enroute to Russia-- and am being told this...So are we going to get Markov or not?

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Are we going to get Markov? My answer? No.

[stewart123]

I am still leaning towards 'No, we will not get Markov'.. but not as strongly as before. I have been watching that Lada website for his comments, and the most recent interview with him had some interesting hedging about whether Markov was committed to playing for them. It also, for the first time, mentioned that Markov would take a serious pay cut to play in Russia.. it's what we suspected, but they kept mentioning a 'substantial offer', as though it was in the same class as an NHL salary when you included the tax-free part and other benefits. Since I believe that salary seems to be Markov's primary motivation in these dealings.. as Sept 11 gets closer, he just might start inching down to where the Canes feel comfortable.

And, one more time, as I had to remind Adam Gold and his listeners.. we did not get 'nothing' out of the Phoenix trade. We basically 'released' Tanabe for the rights to Markov (until at least the next CBA), and traded Knyazev for what we gave to Calgary for Boughner (a fourth round pick).

[MoBigRed]

And, one more time, as I had to remind Adam Gold and his listeners.. we did not get 'nothing' out of the Phoenix trade. We basically 'released' Tanabe for the rights to Markov (until at least the next CBA), and traded Knyazev for what we gave to Calgary for Boughner (a fourth round pick).


And if you ask me, Tanabe/Knyazev for Boughner is a great trade for the Hurricanes, Markov or no Markov.

[cmw00]

My post about him being an extra was in reference to a poster asking if there wasn't a hole left by Tanabe that we needed Markov to fill and also keep Ward to have a full line-up. When Markov didn't sign we picked up Boughner to fill Tanabe's hole. Therefore, as of right now, while we still have Ward, Markov is an extra. Yes, as should have been obvious from my previous posts, if we drop Ward we will need someone (Markov) to fill the spot.

I guess your counting St. Jacques in the lineup? That would leave markov as an extra. If you take St. Jacques or Ward out of the lineup he wouldn't be an extra.


I think we stand a decent chance with Markov. I think what is slowing down things right now is getting guys like Vasicek, Cole, Svoboda, etc. signed. When we get those guys singed and maybe resolve the Irbe situation then the management will be able to look at things better and be able to make a better attempt at markov. I mean according to what we are currently supposedly offering and what he wants there isn't much difference. If we could get rid of irbe for all or half his salary that would make up the difference for the Markov deal. I wonder what kind of length in a deal Markov is wanting? That may also be another booulder blocking the path to raleigh for markov.

[Guyute]

I am so sick of hearing we got nothing out of this trade.

we got rid of an underachieving defenseman that needed a fresh start elsewhere. we got exclusive rights to one of the best young d-men in the league. (so what if he doesn't play with us this year... he wants to come back to the NHL, he goes through the canes. period.). and, we got Boughner... who is a fantastic addition to any team, imo.

now, by a show of hands... which of you people would rather still have Tanabe/Knyazev, then what we have now?

don't be shy. raise 'em up high.....
so I can come and smack you. :p

[MoBigRed]

we got rid of an underachieving defenseman that needed a fresh start elsewhere. we got exclusive rights to one of the best young d-men in the league. (so what if he doesn't play with us this year... he wants to come back to the NHL, he goes through the canes. period.). and, we got Boughner... who is a fantastic addition to any team, imo.


My feelings exactly.

[Stormbringer]

we got rid of an underachieving defenseman that needed a fresh start elsewhere. we got exclusive rights to one of the best young d-men in the league. (so what if he doesn't play with us this year... he wants to come back to the NHL, he goes through the canes. period.). and, we got Boughner... who is a fantastic addition to any team, imo.


My feelings exactly.

Thirded.

[taz]

Chopper just announced on 96 Rock that the canes had agreed to a 3-year deal with Markov. Anyone have a link out there to confirm this?!?

[Shell]

wow, I got nothing.. thanks for the heads up!! I'll definitely keep an eye out! The WRAL story about signing Jaro did have this quote in it:

However, Rutherford remained optimistic Markov will be signed soon.
"We're getting closer to what his needs are and what we're willing to do," Rutherford said. "I would say we're getting much closer."

[hyena]

wooha! looks like it's true:


HURRICANES AGREE TO TERMS WITH DANNY MARKOV
KEN PRESTON

Defenseman to Sign Three-Year Contract


RALEIGH, N.C. (Aug. 12, 2003) – Jim Rutherford, President / General Manager of the Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has agreed to terms with defenseman Danny Markov on a three-year contract. As per club policy, terms of the deal were not announced.

“The signing of Danny improves our team at a very important position,” said Rutherford. “His ability and determination will make our defense more difficult to play against.”

The Hurricanes acquired Markov (6’ 1”, 190 lbs.) and a conditional fourth-round draft pick from Phoenix on June 21 in exchange for defensemen David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev. Markov, 26, completed his sixth NHL season in 2002-03 posting four goals and 16 assists (20 points) in 64 regular-season games with Phoenix. In 336 career NHL regular-season games, the Moscow native has 19 goals, 82 assists (101 points), 240 penalty minutes and a plus-19 plus/minus rating. He recorded career highs in goals (6), assists (30), points (36) and games played (72) in 2001-02, his first season with the Coyotes. The Toronto Maple Leafs selected Markov in the ninth round, 223rd overall, in 1995.

The Hurricanes open their seventh season in North Carolina on Oct. 9 at Florida, before returning to the RBC Center for their home opener, Saturday, Oct. 11 against defending Stanley Cup champion New Jersey. Ticket packages for the 2003-04 season are available by calling 1-888-NHL-TIX1.

[hkygrl]

Yeah Markov was signed. A 3 year deal. It is on the canes website.

[Shell]

EXCELLENT!! I'm pissed at him for his tactics but thrilled to have him!! http://wemissjerry.org/smiles/jump.gif

[Guyute]

yeah baybee.

I look forward to those terms being released....

[lvscolencanes]

Ok, I will prob. get it for this, but I agree with Shell, glad to have him, but after all this mess we have had to go through, I was actually fine with not having him...Sorry guys! :crazy:

[CaniacManiac]

Hallelujah!!! Finally! We may have some really incredible D at last! Now I really can't wait for the season to start!

I heard Blur singing "Song 2" on the way to work this morning as I passed the RBC Center. Maybe it was a sign that we were going to get this announcemnt this morning!

CaniacManiac-WooHoo

[Stormbringer]

In the eternal words of Ben Stein, WOW... :eek2: :spin: :D

[Guyute]

Ok, I will prob. get it for this, but I agree with Shell, glad to have him, but after all this mess we have had to go through, I was actually fine with not having him...Sorry guys! :crazy:

hey, your opinion is your opinion, and you're more than welcome to share it here. :)

but..... markov is the Dman we've all been waiting for. getting him signed was a must.

props to JR. (though i won't go nuts on patting him on the back until I see the terms)

[lvscolencanes]

Well, I read alot about him in the last little bit, he is very powerful, I am glad to have him. We deff. need him, I just got tired of the run around. Thanks for the support on my opinion Guy, but I think I just changed it. LOL!!! :D

[Jeff O Rocks]

I don't like his tactics either!! :mad: So does this mean Aaron or Nicky will go?? :sad:

[AbNormal27]

GREAT! Now, get the other 2 signed and DROP THE DAMN PUCK ALREADY! As for who might be the odd man out...... with the impending CBA work stoppage, I'd say that JR and GOP are going to go for it all this year, and that takes experience, ergo, Wallin may be the one to go, if anyone HAS to go, JMHO.

Aaryn

[Jillsdad]

F**kin a right. With Markov on the team we now have quite the nasty defence. I have a feeling that teams in the league will be talking about how difficult our defence is to play against now, whereas in the past we struck fear in the hearts of...well nobody. Unfortunately, i think we might be saying goodbye to Ward in the very near future. Getting rid of Nicky financially would not put us where we need to be whereas getting rid of Ward would. I see Ward going for a couple of draft picks and nothing more. SOrry to end on a down note!!!

[HockeyPat]

Yeee Haw! Bizness is Bizness! I don't care, I just want W's!

Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it Love it

I'm going to miss Ward. :cry: I'd rather keep Ward than Wallin, but it's a money thing and I'm sure Ward will have be taken off off the payroll.

[ausoleil]

"don't like his tactics" ?????

Because the guy bashes instead of plays finesse on defense? This is hockey....not golf. No offense, but tough physical play is the best way to succeed in the NHL. Our D boys are GONNA bring it this year. This ain't Euro figure-skating hockey. The Swedish National team would have a tough time in the Air Canada Centre.

C'mon, we saw what refusing to hit does. All last season we saw it. I personally call it "stranding your minder." The other teams called it "He shoots, he scores!"

Or think of it this way: why do you think that we traded away Tanabe? He refused to play physical, tough D. Making other teams pay for life inside our blue line will surely slow down those sets that often resembled PK when we had 5 on 5.

And why did we go to the SCF two seasons ago? Because we played tough, disciplined hockey that limited the other team's oppurtunity to score. And we often opened up our own offensive sets because the puck got freed up after a blast in our end.

With guys like Vrbata and O, breakways that result from turnovers in our end will make that new scoreboard light up like fireworks on the Fourth of July.

Can't wait!

[Stormbringer]

Markov's profile is now up on my site in celebration of ze event...

http://www.missfantastic.com/stormbringer/canes/players/present/markov.htm

[CaniacManiac]

"don't like his tactics" ?????

I don't think Mona was saying that she doesn't like his "tactics" on the ice, just his negotiating tactics. Mona, correct me if I'm wrong.

CaniacManiac

[ausoleil]

Sorry Mona, I was def not trying to bash you.

Remember though, that this is a business. He had to get what's good for himself and his family. These guys are only one concussion away from not having a job...so it's get it while you can.

[Canesluver]

This is so great! :D

What a nice surprise. This is really encouraging. This news has made my day!! :D

Gotta go. . . . slammed at work

(fight it out amongst yourselves....)

[ausoleil]

I'm so happy right now I'd buy all of ya a "Slapshot" up there in Section 105....so forget fighting! :cool:

This is going to be a great season. The Wolfpack is going to take names and kick some A over the hill, then the Canes are going to make that BEEE-YOU-TEE-FULL sound of away jerseys smashing into the boards.

[HockeyPat]

From one of my earlier posts on the subject of signing Markov!

C’mom fellow Cane fans, who’s willing to buy some more Hurricaneware. I got the season tickets, I bought a Hurricane NC license plate , I now wear something with Hurricanes on it every day of the week and I watch every Hurricane game that is televised. I even tape the games I’m at so I can come back and watch the commercials so I can support the companies that buy commercial time for Hurricane games. I’ve sacrificed, and I’m willing to do a little more if that’s what it takes(sic, to sign Markov).

I hope to see you at The Eye.

[Night Train]

woot!

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Woooo Hoooooooo!!!!!!!!! What a fabulous thing to come home and find out! I am so damn excited about this! This adds exactly the toughness I think we needed and I'm pretty sure this guy can run the PP!!! Yay! I can't wait for the season to start now!

I'm betting it may be Ward who gets the axe as well....but I don't know. I guess St Jacques and Malec will likely spend another year in the AHL? Counting them we now have 9 defensemen....

[StormShaman]

Ha! I knew we'd sign him. :)

[Jeff O Rocks]

"don't like his tactics" ?????

I don't think Mona was saying that she doesn't like his "tactics" on the ice, just his negotiating tactics. Mona, correct me if I'm wrong.

CaniacManiac

Thanks CaniacManiac....you are correct....I don't care if he mashes heads...I don't like that he held out on us!!

[MoBigRed]

Thanks CaniacManiac....you are correct....I don't care if he mashes heads...I don't like that he held out on us!!


Agreed. I know i'm being a vengeful twerp, but i'm not jumping for joy just yet. Poor guy can't survive on a pitiful $2.5 million a year, i pity him a whole lot more than i respect him.

Like guyute, i'm very curious to see some contract details here. http://www.randakk.com/emo/contract.gif

[hoosiercaniac]

I guess Danny figured US$'s are worth more than Russian Rubels. I agree the D will be awesome, as it stands....but I also agree that we'll likely trade Ward. Nicky Wallin is still fairly inexperienced and has some upside. I believe Nick didn't start playing hockey until he was 17 yrs old. With Nicky's upside and cheaper contract, I look for Ward (if anyone) to be traded. For now, I'm satisfied with what we got, though...assuming Cole and Big Joe sign soon.

My excitement level just went up a notch. :D

[Cool Hand Luke]

I know it's hard not to take an athlete holding out as a personal thing, but it really isn't. Markov never bashed Raleigh, the Canes, or any Caniacs, (unlike a Mr. Primeau), he just thought he was worth more money than we offered. Even if many of us disagree with him as to his value, you shouldn't blame him for being smart and using the Russian team as leverage and for getting as much money as he could get. It was a very intelligent move on his part. When you look at some of the inflated salaries in this league, (Jagr, Bure, etc) I'm sure he figures if they can get it, why can't I get some? I can't see being down on him, just for trying to get as much money for himself and his family as he legally can.

I suspect we paid him a bit more than we wanted and what he might be worth in comparison to some dmen out there. But timing is everything and truth be known we needed him badly this year. Kudos to JR for recognizing the obvious and for stepping up and signing him. This signing gives us one of the best overall defenses in the league, not something to be taken lightly. Believe me when I say the Leafs would LOVE to be sitting in our shoes right now, having just signed him.

[rons#1fan]

I need to brush up on the talents of the new players but I'm sure Markov will bring to the ice what we need however I agree with Mona, I'm not happy about him holding out...gee wasn't there a certain player..cough..Tannabe...cough..that did the same thing and there weren't too many people that were happy about that. Granted, he wasn't showing us anything on the ice...let's hope Markov proves he was worth all the hassle, publicity and oh yeah, money !

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but I also agree it will be bye-bye to Aaron :sad: Unfortunately, that's the name of the game.

[guinevere]

Happy dance... happy dance. I think trading anyone right off would be a mistake. Waiting to see how it all gels plus having a deeper defense in case of injuries might be more prudent. In addition, waiting a little longer if they do decide to trade may be in the Canes best interests. Injuries within the other teams may up the value of a player we want to trade which isn't a factor right now.

The increased salary will definiately be offset by making it deeper in the playoffs. By bowing out in the first round this past year, the Wings lost and estimated 60 million in revenues. I think a little fraction of that could be justified in beefing up our team more and keeping our players healthy andable to kick some puck. I cannot wait!!!

Guin

[SouthernHockeyChick]

When you look at some of the inflated salaries in this league, (Jagr, Bure, etc) I'm sure he figures if they can get it, why can't I get some? I can't see being down on him, just for trying to get as much money for himself and his family as he legally can.



I'm not a fan of this attitude at all. He could easily have lived on that $2.5 million. BUT, the way I look at it is that if I only liked the players who never did something like this to get more money there wouldn't be very many players to like.

I wish things had not played out like they did but overall I'm thrilled we have him and will look forward to what he can do for this team!

[Guyute]

Folks, this was NOT a "holdout". It was a negotiation.

He wasn't sitting at home on his couch, missing the majority of camp saying "no, I'm not playing for you unless you come off x many dollars."

He used another option (playing in Russia) as leverage to get what he wanted out of our club. It's negotiating. It's business. It's not a holdout... like we've seen Tanabe and Primeau do. (btw, it's a dead issue, but I had always wished they would let Dave sit out for a full year for that BS stunt)

anyway.. Markov is signed. he's probably on his way to Raleigh (if he's not already here) and meeting the guys. We have a Very very solid D now. If it cost us 3mil, fine. Our weakest link (by leaps and bounds) was we've not had anyone to QB our powerplay. Markov should change that.

[AbNormal27]

I wish things had not played out like they did but overall I'm thrilled we have him and will look forward to what he can do for this team!

Ladies and gentlemen, The Voice of Reason, Angie. I cannot agree anymore wholeheartedly with the comments of SHC on Mr. Markov. Kudos Angie.

Aaryn

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Aww shucks, Aaryn. *blushes*

:laugh:

[VandyCane]

Good points guyute about the business side of hockey. While Russia was definitely a negotiating ploy, as you point out it is not a holdout. We don't know what the financial terms are but my guess is that the three-year aspect of the deal probably had a lot to do with it. He had a two-year offer in Russia and these guys are trying to secure a future for themselves in case there is no season next year. In that sense I don't blame high caliber players for wanting a multi-year deal.

[stewart123]

Hey, now I can delete that link to the Lada Togliatta website.

"Today from the lineup of the team of Lada departed defender Danil Markov for conducting further negotiations and signing a contract with the NHL club Karolina kharrikeynz. "

I certainly understand the need to negotiate for yourself, having done the same type of thing myself, albeit with the decimal point further to the left. I have to give him some credit for the way he handled himself in the Russian press, because he continually told them that he would only play for Lada if negotiations here were unsuccessful, no promises. And the fact that all of this is done before training camp means that it was just an extended negotiation period, almost certainly agent driven.

We need him. Wesley, Hill, Hedican, Markov, Boughner, Wallin, Ward, Malec, St. Jacques. That's enough talent and depth to fix last year's troubles.. and enough to make myself let go of any ill will towards Danny.

Thank you, JR.

[SouthernHockeyChick]

I have to give him some credit for the way he handled himself in the Russian press, because he continually told them that he would only play for Lada if negotiations here were unsuccessful, no promises.

Good point....and good to know.

[nccanes]

Stewart and I must have both been translating those articles. He was very middle of the road.

I'm actually looking forward to a quote from Markov on the deal. To my knowledge we have not seen him quoted in the American press since the trade. The only quotes came from his agent.

[nccanes]

Some kind soul on Fanhome has posted that JR will appear on News Channel 14's 10pm Sports show. He will answer email questions (no live calls).

BTW, he was also on 850 this afternoon, so maybe they'll have that interview on the website tomorrow?

[Stormbringer]

Some kind soul on Fanhome has posted that JR will appear on News Channel 14's 10pm Sports show. He will answer email questions (no live calls).

Just an additional note...JR's appearance won't be until the 18th. :)

[nccanes]

Some kind soul on Fanhome has posted that JR will appear on News Channel 14's 10pm Sports show. He will answer email questions (no live calls).

Just an additional note...JR's appearance won't be until the 18th. :)

Oops thanks. Forgot the date. Hopefully ALL the contract stuff will be resolved by then so there will be much rejoicing! :)

[Shell]

nhlpa.com has his salary with us listed as $2,700,000.00 which is not near as bad as I feared!! I am sure it includes several bonus clauses, but I have much less of a problem with those. I will now officially stamp this as a "good deal" in my book!

[Turbulence]

Danny Markov, the defenseman the Carolina Hurricanes acquired in June only to have him threaten to play in Russia, agreed to terms Tuesday on a three-year contract worth $8.7 million....
...Markov will make $2.7 million in 2003-04, $2.9 million in 2004-05 and $3.1 million in 2005-06 in addition to bonuses that could be worth as much as $500,000 per season....
...In addition to his base salary, Rutherford said Markov could make as much as another $500,000 per year in incentives. Rutherford gave the example of 23 minutes per game of ice time and 35 points as potential triggers for the extra half-million.

Not as bad as I thought it'd be...and from what I hear about the guy, it's well worth it.

[Jeff O Rocks]

Not as bad as I thought it'd be...and from what I hear about the guy, it's well worth it.

After all that waiting and all that money, he BETTER be!! ;)

[rons#1fan]

After seeing some of the guys at practice yesterday....and the deal with Markov...the bottom line...I think we're going to have some exciting season! We all have opinions when something happens...I'm definitely including myself in this one...however we DEFINITELY were lacking in the defense area and it appears with Wesley back and Markov on...I don't think I'm going to be able to sit in my seat for any length of time ! Bring it on Canes !

[Jeff O Rocks]

After seeing some of the guys at practice yesterday....and the deal with Markov...the bottom line...I think we're going to have some exciting season! We all have opinions when something happens...I'm definitely including myself in this one...however we DEFINITELY were lacking in the defense area and it appears with Wesley back and Markov on...I don't think I'm going to be able to sit in my seat for any length of time ! Bring it on Canes !

OMG...I am so excited...after all the signings and seeing the guys on the ice, I don't know if I can wait til 9/25........when do they make the ice?? I must know!! :D

[SouthernHockeyChick]

Rutherford gave the example of 23 minutes per game of ice time and 35 points as potential triggers for the extra half-million.

Dang! :eek2: Hope he gets that 500 thou!

[talkingcanes]

Rutherford gave the example of 23 minutes per game of ice time and 35 points as potential triggers for the extra half-million.

Dang! :eek2: Hope he gets that 500 thou!

The Canes have a potential 35 point scorer on the defense :eek2: I may need smelling salts :beatup:

[hyena]

here's another article:


Markov opts for Carolina over Russia

By Jim Wilkie
NHL Insider
Wednesday, August 13
Updated: August 13
11:34 AM ET

Jim Rutherford was a mediocre goalie for 13 seasons in the 1970s and '80s, but he made one of his biggest saves as a general manager Tuesday when he got defenseman Danny Markov to agree to a three-year deal with the Carolina Hurricanes.

Markov accepted a three-year, $8.7 million contract after seriously considering an offer to play in the Russian Elite League this season. Had Markov joined Lada Togliatti, it would have created a considerable hole on the weak Carolina defense and left the Hurricanes with nothing to show for a draft-day deal.

"Danny was committed to Russia and had no problem staying there," Markov's agent, Jay Grossman, told the Raleigh News & Observer. "Obviously, anybody in his situation would prefer to play in the NHL. ... Carolina has made a substantial commitment to Danny in terms of a long-term deal. Not many teams would do that."

Markov, 27, was obtained with a conditional draft choice from Phoenix in exchange for defenseman David Tanabe and prospect Igor Knyazev, both former first-round draft picks. But the Hurricanes didn't learn about Markov's option to play in Russia until after the trade.

Rutherford claimed the club would have made the move anyway, but he couldn't cover up the embarrassing situation while trying to sign the restricted free agent after the trade. With Markov, who made $1.4 million last season, asking for more than $3 million a year, the Hurricanes obtained rugged defenseman Bob Boughner from Calgary on July 16.

Markov was practicing with Lada Togliatti and if he'd have played a game for them he wouldn't have been available for Carolina because players under international contracts must clear waivers before joining the NHL in the same season.

Combined with the return of Glen Wesley, who signed a one-year, $2.75 million free agent deal after finishing the season with Toronto, Carolina is in far better position to improve the NHL's fourth-worst goals-against average in 2002-03 (2.93 per game).

Markov, 6-1 and 190 pounds, had four goals and 20 points and was a plus-two while averaging 23 minutes, 16 seconds of ice time last season. His physical style and good puck handling have the Hurricanes counting on him to be one of their top blue-liners.

"You talk about a guy that plays all-out every time he's on the ice," Carolina center Kevyn Adams told the News & Observer. "You watch him for one shift and realize what he gives. He's going to be great for us. He's someone you can count on every night to be blocking shots, and he's tough to play against."

Suddenly Carolina is fairly deep at what was its weakest link when it went from Stanley Cup finalist in 2002 to the worst team in the league last season.

"We didn't just add one guy. We added two guys who play a gritty style and will make our defense a lot harder to play against," Rutherford told the News & Observer.

"We also put players back in the roles that they're going to be more comfortable with and they're not going to be pressured to do more than they're capable of doing.

"That includes guys like Niclas Wallin. It will make it easier for him. We really like what we see in young [Bruno] St. Jacques. We think he can be a regular on this team. And it takes the pressure off some of our veteran guys because now we have better players to round out our top six."

Competition on the Carolina blue line will be interesting with Markov, Wesley, Boughner, Bret Hedican and Sean Hill secure and Aaron Ward, St. Jacques, Wallin and Tomas Malec competing to be the sixth and seventh defensemen.

[tommy]

Hate to say it, but with Markov signing, does that mean we might not see as much of St. Jacques as we wanted to/expected to??

On another note, the increasing salary per year is good, because we will be shedding some salary in the near future, like I said before, when/if Francis retires. Maybe not, but if that is the case, it's a small help with future payroll, 'specially if/when the players agree on a salary cap.

[Stormbringer]

Check it out! Markov's Player of the Day at NHLPA.com... :spin:

http://www.nhlpa.com/Content/PLAYER_OF_THE_DAY/home.asp

[cmw00]

THis is great news! The canes are showing that they are serious and willing to do all they can to get off the bottom!!! Our defense should be right at the top of the league with Detroit and New Jersey now!

I think we'll probaly see Ward get dumped off. Unless the Canes have really decided to open the ol'wallet way up.

Looks like we got some tropical weather buliding up in Raleigh!

[nccanes]

Some kind soul on Fanhome has posted that JR will appear on News Channel 14's 10pm Sports show. He will answer email questions (no live calls).

Just an additional note...JR's appearance won't be until the 18th. :)

Oops thanks. Forgot the date.

Just a reminder!! :)

[Turbulence]

Thanks! I can't wait to hear what he has to say!

[stewart123]

Luke continues to find the gray lining in every silver Hurricane cloud.

RALEIGH -- With the money he is getting from the Carolina Hurricanes, Danny Markov can move into the Triangle neighborhood of his choice. His new contract already has moved him into a pretty exclusive NHL neighborhood. The Canes' decision this week to pay Markov $8.7 million over the next three seasons makes the 27-year-old one of the highest-paid defensemen his age in the NHL.

The size of his contract -- he made $1.45 million last season with the Phoenix Coyotes -- has as much to do with Markov's threat to play in Russia next season as it does with his past performance.

Even Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford said he admired Markov's negotiating tactics, using a two-year contract with Russian team Lada Togliatti to push the Canes beyond the $2.5 million they said in July was as far as they could go.

"In Danny Markov's case, they did a good job with the leverage they had," Rutherford said.

Markov will make $2.7 million this season, $2.9 million in 2004-05 and $3.1 million in 2005-06. Bonuses could raise each figure by as much as a half-million dollars.

It's a tremendous commitment to a player who has missed 72 games to injury over the past five years and never has played in more than 72 games in a season.

The Canes think it's worth it. They believe Markov will help them this season and could emerge as the anchor of their blue line in years to come. If that happens, an average of $2.9 million a season is hardly an unreasonable price.

The net effect is that Markov joins the most generously paid defensemen of his generation. Markov was born July 30, 1976; only four NHL defensemen younger than him will make more in base salary this season.

Ottawa Senators assistant captain Wade Redden, 26, will make $4.5 million this season, and 24-year-old Derek Morris of the Colorado Avalanche will make $3.5 million. The New York Rangers' Tom Poti, 26, won a two-year, $5.9 million contract in arbitration this week that will pay him $2.8 million this season, and the Vancouver Canucks' Mattias Ohlund, 26, will make $2.75 million.

Markov's signing inflates the Canes' payroll to an estimated $39.3 million, including $2.7 million owed exiled goalie Arturs Irbe. It was approximately $38 million on opening night last season, up from $33.5 million the season before.

Over the course of his contract, Markov will earn $300,000 less than teammate Bret Hedican, who has played in 381 more games, has 109 more points (an average of 0.29 points per game, compared to 0.30 for Markov) and is six years older. Hedican signed a six-year, $18 million contract last summer.

Markov will be tied with Irbe for sixth on the franchise payroll, behind Rod Brind'Amour, Ron Francis, Jeff O'Neill, Hedican and Wesley -- not a bad group of financial neighbors to have.

[cmw00]

I was very pleasntly shocked knowing how he plays, and then seeing his PIM stats. Fairly low I thought.

[Willis#1fan]

Half the time I don't think Rutherford knows what he's talking about. It's great Markov is here, but bad that Igor had to be thrown in the deal too.

[Guyute]

why bad? please let us know why you thnk that. :)

(personally, I think JR is a Very Good GM)

[MoBigRed]

why bad? please let us know why you thnk that. :)

(personally, I think JR is a Very Good GM)


I agree with you, guyute. I have abyssmal faith in Coach Mo, but i think JR has pulled some excellent deals along the way. This one was no exception.

True, W#1, Igor could have really turned into something... but the way i see it JR traded Tanabe/Knyazev for Markov/4th-rounder, and then traded a 4th-rounder for Boughner...

Even though Markov is far from being my favorite Cane, i still can't deny JR made some good deals to shore up the defense this off-season.

Now if he can just dig up a coach who can make use of all the talent he's brought in...

[Alicia]

Now if he can just dig up a coach who can make use of all the talent he's brought in...

That is the $60,000 question...

[HockeyPat]

Count me in as a JR fan as well. I think he has done an excellent job this off season and I'm genuinely optimistic about this up coming season.

Go Hurricanes!

[AbNormal27]

While I admit that I'm not the biggest fan of JR, like I said in another thread, this team has done much better since GOP has decided to keep his mitts off the team and let JR do his magic.

Aaryn

[talkingcanes]

I saw posted on another board that Phoenix sent Kynazev to the minors in their first cut.

[puckin_A]

I saw posted on another board that Phoenix sent Kynazev to the minors in their first cut.

as it should be...he is still not ready for the NHL....