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livinthedream

09-01-2007, 05:13 PM

I just have to post this, this is so HUGE, so unbelievable:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-t25-appalachianst-michigan&prov=ap&type=lgns

All-time upset
Appalachian St. upends No. 5 Michigan in one of the biggest upsets in football history
2nd-tier Appalachian State stuns No. 5 Michigan 34-32
By LARRY LAGE, AP Sports Writer
September 1, 2007

ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) -- What was supposed to be a tuneup turned into a stunner: Appalachian State 34, No. 5 Michigan 32.

Julian Rauch's 24-yard field goal with 26 seconds left put the Mountaineers ahead of the Wolverines and Corey Lynch's blocked field goal in the final seconds sealed one of college football's biggest upsets.

The two-time defending champions from former Division I-AA were ahead of the nation's winningest program 28-14 late in the second quarter, then their storybook afternoon seemed to unravel late in the fourth quarter.

Mike Hart's 54-yard run put the Wolverines ahead -- for the first time since early in the second quarter -- with 4:36 left.

One snap after the go-ahead touchdown, Brandent Englemon intercepted an errant pass, but the Wolverines couldn't capitalize and had their first of two field goals blocked.

Appalachian State drove 69 yards without a timeout in 1:11 to set up the go-ahead kick, but it still wasn't over.
Chad Henne threw a 46-yard pass to Mario Manningham, giving Michigan the ball at Appalachian State's 20 with 6 seconds left.

Lynch blocked the kick and returned it to the other end of the field as the final seconds ticked off, and his teammates rushed across the field to pile on Lynch as the coaching staff and cheerleaders jumped with joy.

Appalachian State has won 15 straight games, the longest streak in the nation.

The Mountaineers are favored to win the Football Championship Subdivision -- formerly known as Division I-AA -- but they weren't expected to put up much of a fight against a team picked to win the Big Ten and contend for the national title.

Alas, that's the beauty of college football.

No Division I-AA team had beaten a team ranked in The Associated Press poll from 1989-2006, and it's unlikely that it happened after Division-I subdivisions were created in 1978.

Appalachian State's win does seem to pass the one second-tier programs used to regard as their crowning achievement -- The Citadel's season-opening win in 1992 over Arkansas that led to the firing of Razorbacks coach Jack Crowe following the game.

Michigan coach Lloyd Carr will not get fired after this upset, but he might've wished he retired after last season when the Wolverines won 11 games and played in the Rose Bowl.

Carr will likely second-guess a lot from the game, and the practices that led to it, and might regret going for 2-point conversions twice in the final 15-plus minutes.

After Appalachian State went ahead 31-20, Hart scored with 24 seconds left in the third quarter and the 2-point conversion failed as Carr tried to pull within a field goal. Following Hart's late TD that put Michigan ahead by one, Carr couldn't justify kicking the extra point and backup running back Brandon Minor stumbled to the turf.

The Mountaineers improved to 7-36-1 against top-tier teams since 1978, beating a team other than Wake Forest in such matchups for the first time.

Since beating Wake Forest in 2000, they had been respectable against strong programs, trailing LSU and JaMarcus Russell by two touchdowns entering the fourth quarter before losing 24-0 in 2005 and leading Auburn late in the third before losing by a TD in 1999.

But Appalachian State proved it belonged from start to finish, making up for a slight size disadvantage with more speed.

Quarterback Armanti Edwards threw for 227 yards, three scores and two interceptions while he kept Michigan guessing with enough skills running to have 62 yards rushing. Dexter Jackson caught three passes for 92 yards, and scored twice, including a 68-yard reception that tied the game early and provided a glimpse of what was coming over the next three hours.

Hart, who went almost two quarters without a carry because of an injury, ran for 188 yards and three touchdowns. Henne was 19-of-37 for 233 yards in a lackluster game that included a TD and an interception in Mountaineer territory.

Pyronite

09-01-2007, 05:24 PM

It's gonna be crazy on campus this next week!

nccanes

09-01-2007, 06:02 PM

Have fun Pyro!

Captain Slack

09-01-2007, 11:59 PM

UN-BE-****IN-LEAVIBLE!!!!!!!!!

I am in total, complete shock at what App State did in Ann Arbor!!! Sports Illustrated is calling it the biggest victory in the history of college football!! Absolutely stunning!!!

I'd been wondering if the Mountaineers would try to make the jump to I-A soon. I believe they've stated their worthiness now!! :thumbsup:

IceSun

09-02-2007, 12:10 AM

From this west coast ASU lover (who might I add are up 38-3 at this point) to my namesake friends down the road - WAY TO FRIGGIN' GO!!!!!!
:beer: :beer: :beer: :wooooo:
I would also be negligent if I failed to point out that my ASU received critical acclaim in the 1987 Rose Bowl by beating...oh yes Michigan :spin: :toocool:

For those of you curious about the happenings in Boone, this is for you...

BOONE, N.C. -- The monumental upset at No. 5 Michigan was only minutes old when, more than 400 miles away, Appalachian State senior David Rockensuess and a dozen or so other students did what delirious college football fans always do. They headed for the school's football stadium, climbed the fence, and tore down the goalpost. Then it really got fun.

Dragging the trophy down the main street in town, their numbers grew. By the time they reached the chancellor's house, a small army had joined in to help.
"There were hundreds of us," Rockensuess said. "There may have been a thousand there at the end."
The goalpost was still sitting in Chancellor Kenneth Peacock's yard as Rockensuess talked outside a bar across from campus.
Drivers honked horns as they drove by, flags waved and students screamed, "It's good to be a Mountaineer!"

Fans chanted "ASU, ASU" next to trees that were littered with toilet paper.
Drop the 13,000-plus who live in Boone, N.C., in the middle of Ann Arbor, Mich., and they would largely go unnoticed.
On Saturday, however, after Appalachian State's 34-32 win over No. 5 Michigan, the state school, nestled in a sleepy college town in the Blue Ridge Mountains, was the center of the college football universe.

Downtown, in between sips of beer from plastic cups, students debated the significance of perhaps the biggest upsets in college football history.
"This is my humble opinion: This is the biggest thing to happen to Boone," said senior Zach Williams, who skipped out of work overseeing the tennis courts at a nearby country club to watch the second half.
Considering no Division I-AA had beaten a team ranked in The Associated Press poll from 1989-2006, and it's unlikely that it had ever happened before, that opinion was sure to gain support.
"This the second biggest upset in sports," said another student, conceding only the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team's upset of the Soviet Union.

As students waited for the team to arrive back in town late Saturday, many felt Appalachian State's win over Michigan, in front of more than 107,000 fans in Ann Arbor, is bigger than the consecutive I-AA national championships won by the Mountaineers the last two years.

Appalachian State has long dominated the Southern Conference and has won 15 straight games, longest in the nation.
Beating a Big Ten team that had national championship aspirations was something altogether different.

Per Frisk of Chapel Hill, N.C., knew Corey Lynch blocked a field goal attempt on the last play three seconds ahead of most of the rest of town.
"I tried to go watch it at the Library and I was sitting in this guy's car in the parking lot," Frisk said. "The radio was 3 seconds faster than the TV, so I heard the kick was blocked and I jumped up and started cheering.
"I realized no one else was cheering. Then 2 seconds later everyone started cheering. And then it blew up, man."
Cassidy McCorkle, a graduate student from Atlanta, was one of several students not looking to end the party anytime soon as the sun set Saturday night.
"I go to the best college in the world," McCorkle said.

Pyronite

09-02-2007, 03:06 AM

Some pictures to go with that story:

http://www.wataugademocrat.com/2007/0827web/win5.jpg

http://www.wataugademocrat.com/2007/0827web/win4.jpg

(No, I am not among them.)

nccanes

09-02-2007, 09:32 AM

Very cute. I looked for some photos last night, so thanks for posting!

SouthernHockeyChick

09-02-2007, 10:39 AM

Captain Slack

09-02-2007, 12:30 PM

Borkowski? What a jackass!!!

GO MOUNTAINEERS!!!!

caneshockeychick

09-02-2007, 03:29 PM

YIPPEE FOR APP STATE!!!

wow, wish I coulda been there for that.

Moore is definitely going to be a sought after coach this season, no doubt about it. The man has been there forever but, he is living proof that it takes time to build and he has built a great team up there in Boone. I also see App State eventually making the leap to the Big leagues, just like Marshall did years ago.

Now where's my Furman sucks but Marshall blows shirt?

Mona2006

09-03-2007, 12:19 AM

SHC the new chancellor must be pretty cool. I heard he was helping students carry stuff in on moving in day and was walking the campus welcoming everyone. So he sounds like a pretty cool dude. So maybe a goal post in his yard won't be such a big deal. :lol:

caneshockeychick I love the shirts.. my personal favorite though is Duke sucks but Carolina swallows! :lol:

puck_it

09-03-2007, 12:45 PM

meanwhile, back at NC State, if you tear down a goal post, you get sprayed with mace, arrested, and charged. Oh, and they watch video tape to see if they can snag anyone else.

BooneCaniac

09-03-2007, 03:57 PM

:yippee::yippee:

We were keeping an eye on this game at work yesterday evening. I can't freaking believe it. Would have been fun to be in Boone, for sure!

Goalposts in the Chancellor's yard? What happened to the duck pond? I sure hope the current Chancellor reacts better to these things than that old dinosaur Borkowski did when I was there! :lol:

It sure was a fun night! The Chancellor Peacock is a great representative for the university. He is always there supporting our athletic teams trying to get the fans pumped up. Last year during the National Championship, ESPN interviewed him and his excitement was contagious. When they interviewed him on Saturday night he was laughing about the goalposts at his front door.

The Duck Pond is still there and there were plenty of people jumping in, but I guess the students felt they needed to parade the goalposts a little further.

I am proud to be a Mountaineer!

Go APPS!
Go Canes!

The Duck Pond is still there

RangersCanesFan

09-03-2007, 08:22 PM

WAY TO GO APPALACHIAN STATE!!! Was able to watch it last night on the Big Ten Network replay. Unfortunately, we had to drive up to Raleigh for the State game on Saturday afternoon, and only was able to listen on a App station until about halftime...guess Michigan doesn't allow their broadacst on XM.

Maybe it's because I follow I-AA, or Football Championship Subdivision, pretty closely, but I don't think it even ranks in the top 5 all time upsets, ONLY because App State is a damn good football team. I honestly believe they can line up against almost anyone, anywhere and win. They've won two straight I-AA Championships and haven't really been challenged.

The Southern Conference and the Colonial Athletic Conference consistently rank on the computers higher than the Sun Belt. They also compare with the Mid-American, C-USA, and WAC. They are no slouches.

App is better than Marshall was when they made the jump.

I don't think Jerry Moore is going anywhere. If they do make the move to I-A, he'll be the guy to take them there.

There has been some talk about a I-AA superconference (combining the best of the CAA, Southern, and a few other "major" I-AA schools) with the intention of going I-A. Unfortunately, Delaware doesn't want to do it, and William & Mary doesn't want to spend the money for stadium upgrades...

puck_it

09-03-2007, 10:52 PM

NC State beat them last year...

SouthernHockeyChick

09-04-2007, 12:07 AM

NC State beat them last year...
Yeah, a team from a school of 30-ish thousand beat a team from a school of 15-ish thousand. State was supposed to win that game. Just like Michigan was supposed to win this weekend.

puck_it

09-04-2007, 01:02 AM

nccanes

09-04-2007, 07:01 AM

lol, who cares who App State lost to last year? Who cares if they would lose the 9 next times that they played Michigan? That's now how sports work and not how teams are measured. If the Canes play great this season, who cares if we lost 4 to the Sabres last year? What significance does that have?

RCF said they could line up against "almost anyone, anywhere and win".

And I'm curious - when was the last time State had the occasion to tear down goal posts? ;)

RangersCanesFan

09-04-2007, 09:56 AM

i only said as much because RCF said that they could go up against almost anyone anywhere and win. My point was they lost to a terrible NC State team, but beat a powerhouse. Just saying i wouldnt say they can beat anyone anywhere. Yeah, they've got a solid team, but you play that game against michigan another 9 times and whats the outcome going to be?

Not to discredit their win... it's huge and couldnt be happier for them, but that doesnt provide a sufficient cross section to say they can be a competitor against major conference teams.

Football is different. Teams usually don't play each other multiple times during the season, especially in college. One of the things App State has that Michigan doesn't is speed. They also run an offense that teams have a difficult time stopping, negating some of the size difference. BTW, they lost to State mainly because of a couple ill-timed turnovers. You can't say that NC State dominated them last year.

Could App go out to USC and win? Probably not, but who can? The unknown secret in college football is the top I-AA teams are better than half the I-A teams at the bottom of major conferences and in the non-BCS conferences. Put App in the ACC and they're easily bowl eligible. A lot of guys transfer into the I-AA schools when they realize they'll never be more than second or third team at a BCS school. Remember also, there's only 85 scholarships now at I-A. That opened up a lot of spots at I-AA schools.

Captain Slack

09-04-2007, 10:58 AM

NC State beat them last year...

*sniff* *sniff*

Is that sour grapes I'm smelling?

Honestly! Who cares if NC State beat them LAST YEAR? App State has won 15 straight games & a national title since that loss. How many games have the Wolfpack won since then?

Mona2006

09-04-2007, 11:29 AM

And I'm curious - when was the last time State had the occasion to tear down goal posts? ;)

It's been too long. :( I think the last time was when we defeated Florida State for the first time.

I want a winning football team again... *goes to Boone to steal players* :D

puck_it

09-04-2007, 12:09 PM

*sniff* *sniff*

Is that sour grapes I'm smelling?

Honestly! Who cares if NC State beat them LAST YEAR? App State has won 15 straight games & a national title since that loss. How many games have the Wolfpack won since then?

my point was, and is, State sucked last year so i'm not to ready to say that App is as good as everyone is claiming. If you want to discredit that loss, then you have to discredit the national championships when talking about this year. It was a game in between titles, and does have merit when talking about this team compared to I-A. In I-AA, yes they kick ass... I-A not ready to say they can.

I've got no sour grapes, App got the win against michigan and deserved it. but hey, it's cool you guys can keep putting words in my mouth.

corylav

09-04-2007, 12:11 PM

Plain and simple, Michigan can't defend a mobile QB. And if their offense doesn't put up 40+ this week, they'll lose to Oregon, too, for the same reason.

RangersCanesFan

09-04-2007, 12:21 PM

I'm pretty sure the last episode where State students attempted to take down the goalposts was on:

November 1, 2003 - State 51, Virginia 37. That was one of the best college football games ever played, in a season full of thrillers. TA McLendon broke a 50-yard run with about a minute left in the 4th quarter to give State a 44-37 lead. On the next play from scrimmage, a State d-back picked off a pass and took it back, giving State the 51-37 lead.

I remember seeing State students trying to get on to the field and then hearing reports of arrests.

The game I KNOW it happened was:

November 23, 2002 - State 17, Florida State 7. After that game is when they put in the silly rules about going on to the field after huge victories.

Unfortunately, we State fans are probably going to have to wait a few years until the taint of Chuck Amato wears off this program. The best year in State's recent history was 2002, with Mike O'Cain's players. The next best year was 2003, with several of O'Cain's last recruiting class. Unfortunately, Amato's recruits have done very little.

Tom O'Brien is a step in the right direction. At the game on Saturday, there was very little of the "show" that was the Amato era. No pre-game rap being blared from the sound system. Players were introduced by position rather than individually. The discipline was 100% better. The coach took the blame for two subsititution penalties. The result could have been better. We may have found a QB, which is good, because Toney Baker is out for the year.

It was really nice leaving with a sore throat yelling for the defense, rather than yelling at coaches, at stupid plays, guys lining up offside, or anything that typified State over the past few seasons. We'll be all right. No BCS trips in the near future, but I see some New Year's Eves in Atlanta and New Year's Days in Jacksonville in a few years.

Each year, seven wins with a win over unc-ch is all I ask. That's a bowl trip.

puck_it

09-04-2007, 12:31 PM

After the FSU and BC upsets laste year about 5 total people tried to get on th field and were all flanked by cops. Also, at the end of any game where theres a chance of it happening, cops surround the field perimiter about 5 feet apart with plasti-cuffs and fire extinguishers full of mace. oh and then there's the video cameras that are all focused on the student section.

Our goal posts are collapsible now, too. you can read that as they tear themselves down so tehy dont fall on people. but can still be carried.

it's like a friggen police state.

nccanes

09-04-2007, 12:35 PM

my point was, and is, State sucked last year so i'm not to ready to say that App is as good as everyone is claiming. If you want to discredit that loss, then you have to discredit the national championships when talking about this year. It was a game in between titles, and does have merit when talking about this team compared to I-A. In I-AA, yes they kick ass... I-A not ready to say they can.

I've got no sour grapes, App got the win against michigan and deserved it. but hey, it's cool you guys can keep putting words in my mouth.

I know I didn't put any words in your mouth. But I'm still not getting how State beating App last year has anything to do with the big win App got 3 days ago.

Every season a team is different, the opponents vary, and the team stands on its own accomplishments. The fact that App was able to build on their success to the point where they can knock off a #5 team at Michigan is undeniably impressive.

Few teams go thru a season w/o a loss, but that doesn't mean the wins don't count.

If NCState finished the season strong and impressively and goes out and beats a top 5 SEC or Big Ten team on the road next September are you going to care that they lost to UCF this season? I'm just not getting how the loss to NC State is relevant.

App State is a clear indicator that winning breeds a winning mindset and confidence. Their ability to come from behind numerous times in that stadium in that situation proves it to me. Maybe they can't contend with Div I teams week in and week out, but they don't have to. They rose to the challenge when it sat in front of them.

You dont' have to agree with RCF's assessment, but the State loss doesn't bolster the opposing argument imo.

Captain Slack

09-04-2007, 12:45 PM

I don't recall putting words in your mouth either, but this is the second time App has won a big game and you've brought up their loss to NC State last year.

puck_it

09-04-2007, 12:49 PM

the same team that played state won that national title... thats what they have to do with each other.

but i'm giving up

RangersCanesFan

09-04-2007, 12:52 PM

my point was, and is, State sucked last year so i'm not to ready to say that App is as good as everyone is claiming. If you want to discredit that loss, then you have to discredit the national championships when talking about this year. It was a game in between titles, and does have merit when talking about this team compared to I-A. In I-AA, yes they kick ass... I-A not ready to say they can.

I've got no sour grapes, App got the win against michigan and deserved it. but hey, it's cool you guys can keep putting words in my mouth.

Line up App against the ACC and tell me what they do:

From what I've seen so far:

Boston College - L
Wake Forest - probably a W because Riley Skinner is out.
NC State - W
Clemson - L
Florida State - toss-up
Maryland - toss-up

unc-ch - too early to tell, probably L
Virginia Tech - probably a L, giving VT a pass against ECU due to emotions.
Dook - W
Virginia - W
Georgia Tech - L
Miami - toss-up

I think they win 4, lose 5, and could go either way in 3. That's as good as most I-A teams.

Why is it so hard for so many people to see that Appalachian State has a good football team? I-AA football IS NOT BAD!!! Nicholls State (who??), an UNRANKED I-AA knocked off Rice on Saturday night, 16-14. These guys can play at that level. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Wofford give State all it wants on the 15th. Delaware plays Navy later this year in October. The game is on CSTV. There's another shot for a I-AA to beat a known program.

There's a few I-AA's at some other Big Ten schools this week.

Western Illinois at Illinois. The Leathernecks are tough.
Eastern Illinois at Purdue

Maine plays UConn
Grambling plays Pitt
Rhode Island plays Army
Samford plays Georgia Tech
Northern Arizona plays Arizona
Cal Poly plays Idaho
Northern Iowa plays Iowa State
SE Louisiana plays Kansas

There are more than a few chances for some "upsets".

SouthernHockeyChick

09-04-2007, 02:46 PM

Since isolated games matter, I guess they shouldn't have let Marshall go I-A because I remember watching App beat them on several occasions before they made the jump. And that was back when App had the smaller size players that are what historically have limited the I-AA teams, not the monsters they have now.

The uniforms were better then too. ;)

livinthedream

09-04-2007, 06:03 PM

Now they're going to have to start calling themselves "THE Appalachian State University".

Jay

09-05-2007, 02:08 AM

November 23, 2002 - State 17, Florida State 7. After that game is when they put in the silly rules about going on to the field after huge victories.

I was there. It happened. One of my best college memories.

IceSun

09-05-2007, 10:54 AM

Now they're going to have to start calling themselves "THE Appalachian State University".

:laugh:

Caniac

09-05-2007, 12:15 PM

Anybody else giving puck_it any crap over an innocuous statement, that by the way is accurate in contradiction to the "ASU can beat almost anyone, anywhere" line, is going to go sit in the corner for a bit.

Losing to a mediocre I-A team in a year where they won the I-AA title is more than pertinent to that conversation. The fact that it was NC State and not some other school is what got some of your powder blue panties in a bunch.

Beating Michigan is a huge win, but until they can prove that they can consistenly compete with I-A schools, I don't think anyone can either make that statement, or say that they belong in I-A.

They'll have the chance over the next few seasons to prove that they do. They've got LSU, Florida and a few others on the schedule and all have said they're not backing out.

nccanes

09-05-2007, 03:00 PM

I don't have powder blue panties, but I do have purple and gold (of LSU). So from the talking out of both sides of my mouth department: 48-13 from a couple of years ago.

But honestly, I don't think that anyone was suggesting that they could be a top 10 Div I school, but rather that on any given day at this point, they could probably compete, though not necessarily with a schedule full of them. Underdog teams can't pull those sorts of upsets off week in and week out.

Caniac

09-05-2007, 04:13 PM

That's exactly the argument here. To say that they can beat almost anyone, anytime, anywhere suggests that they are ready to play against division I-A schools week in and week out.

That's the point that was being made by saying that even during a championship season, FOLLOWING a championship season, they lost to a mediocre NC State team.

To me that suggests that they're an extremely good division I-AA school. They're not ready to be in division I-A.

But beating Michigan is good reason to take a look at this team and it's scheduling. Put some wins against the I-A schools on their schedule over the next few years and we'll know for sure. Maybe they are right now, but we won't know for another 2-3 years, which you can bet the NCAA will be looking at. They keep winning championships and making their games against I-A foes competitive and they'll be ushered in with the big boys.

puck_it

09-05-2007, 05:22 PM

I don't have powder blue panties, but I do have purple and gold (of LSU)
Where's caneslover? :lol: i cant hear about underwear and not thing of her

To me that suggests that they're an extremely good division I-AA school. They're not ready to be in division I-A. I'm all for the move up, mor power to em, but im not expecting them to do much for a while.

SouthernHockeyChick

09-05-2007, 05:25 PM

Um, sorry, State is my ACC team of choice, thanks, so the suggestion that that is what supposedly got my panties in a wad doesn't fly. My panties are the furtherest thing from powder blue and I dare say, so was almost everyone else who took exception to the WAY the statement was made.

I simply disagreed with puck_it's approach to making the argument. And I agree with whoever said ASU is right now better than Marshall was when they made the jump so, I don't agree that you can simply state that they aren't ready and it be gospel.

The way the statement was originally made belittled ASU's accomplishment and I suspect that got some black and gold panties in a wad. It's not always UNC vs State.

I missed any personal attacks on puck_it so I must conclude the problem was either that some a) disagreed with a mod or b) pointed out State's less than commonly occuring reasons to tear down goalposts recently. :huh:

Guess I'll go spend my time in the corner.

Canesluver

09-05-2007, 05:27 PM

Where's caneslover? :lol: i cant hear about underwear and not thing of her

:laugh: I'll take that as a compliment!!! Although--I must say that powder blue isn't in my wardrobe! ;)

(and speaking of underwear-- does anyone know? Did Tommy Hilfiger stop making panties? His thongs and string bikinis have been my favorites and I can't find them anymore! :( I was just thinking about that about an hour ago.....)

Wooooooo!! I've made a comment in the College Sports thread-- a topic I know nothing about!! Woooooooooooooooooo!

puck_it

09-05-2007, 05:31 PM

well, apparantly it was ok to not count a regular season game, where it was a 'turnover war' that State won... Yet a national championship is ok to count. you cant throw out data that doesnt fit your argument. Because, hey, i can throw out the michigan win because of two blocked kicks. TWO. how often does that happen? not very frequently. I coulda called it a fluke, but i didnt. In fact, i never discredited their win. They got the W, who cares how they got it, a w is a w.

The only thing i was arguing against was the feeling that they could take on the world. And everyone blew it out of proportion as me discrediting the win. There's where the words were being put in my mouth, it was implicit, and now you verified it by saying i was 'belittling' their win.

SouthernHockeyChick

09-05-2007, 05:35 PM

The only thing i was arguing against was the feeling that they could take on the world. And everyone blew it out of proportion as me discrediting the win. There's where the words were being put in my mouth, it was implicit, and now you verified it by saying i was 'belittling' their win.
I don't disagree with you on the point you were trying to make, but I'm pointing out your point was not understood originally.

I didn't say you meant to belittle the win, I said you did. And it seemed like you were. Perhaps if you had quoted what you were disagreeing with rather than just throwing the statement out there carte blanc, no ASU folks would have felt the need to comment.

As it stood, it seemed like you were saying "State beat them nah, nah, nah, na, nah nah." Obviously, you've explained you weren't intending to come across that way. I'm just telling you how you did come across and why some people responded as they did. And pointing out that it's got nothing to do with red vs blue.

BTW, I witnessed at least 2 other games in my time as a student there were ASU blocked multiple kicks, one of them against Marshall. Just sayin'. :evil:

puck_it

09-05-2007, 06:25 PM

because i posted that immediately after the post i was referring to. just like i am now. but at anyrate, after i clarified it was still an issue. i didnt see the need to quote a socal-ian post to provide a simple counter example of a of a mediocre IA team beating them.

thats why they're called threads, because discussion is threaded in some sort of chronological/sequential order.

nccanes

09-05-2007, 06:40 PM

Well then I guess some of us misunderstood because I took it the way SHC explained.

Knowing that you go to State probably colored my reaction to it I guess.

Caniac

09-05-2007, 06:56 PM

A powder blue color. ;)

puck_it

09-05-2007, 07:01 PM

nccanes

09-05-2007, 09:09 PM

This will be my last post because I keep meaning to explain and end my involvement (btw Caniac, I am completely a State Fan when it comes to the ACC, I promise).

I only want to say that when you are recalling a game that took place in a previous season the result is certainly a fact. An opinion about how good a team is in the future (whether it's NCAA football or NHL hockey or rec soccer) is always purely opinion. One person might use a previous result to bolster their argument, another might take the sum total of the recent experience, coaching, and even losses to predict that they are a team that is X good.

We won the Cup - we didn't think we'd miss the playoffs, but we did. The past isn't always a predictor of the future.

The end. :D :kiss:

Caroniac

09-05-2007, 11:55 PM

What a honor for APP and their fans: full page of NY Times yesterday, near full page of USA newspaper yesterday, ESPN camped out all week and will be until game Saturday,
and the cover of Sports Illustrated today---PRICELESS!!! :spin:

RangersCanesFan

09-06-2007, 09:13 AM

come on E, you and SHC both should know me well enough that if im **** talking or making fun I make copious use of smiley faces. and i clarified my statement two posts after that

i was stating a factual counter example in response to a post that was "app can hang with the big boys" through its entirety. I''m not going to do serious fight picking on here, let alone in the college thread, because we all know that inevitably someone turns into a whiney assb itch of a sabres fan in defense of their schools.

its funny that the only person in the thread that i dont know personally is the one who took my posts for what i meant them as... a debate as to whether they could hang in IA

Was that directed at me?

If it was, I did take your posts as a debate about App at a I-A level.

After actually watching the game, I'm confident in making the statement. App dominated the majority of the game. A guy dropped a sure TD pass that would have put App up 35-17. In the first half, the Big Ten officials overruled a sure fumble recovery for App on the ensuing kickoff return after going up 21-14. Michigan, at times, was lucky to still be in the game. It could have easily been a two touchdown win. App got tight when Michigan crept back in. I don't think if they played those teams every week, that tightness sets in.

All I was saying is that I don't think the fans of I-A give the teams at I-AA enough credit and respect, especially the top I-AA schools.

And, if App was a I-A school, they'd get to give out an additional 20 scholarships.

corylav

09-06-2007, 09:32 AM

RangersCanesFan

09-06-2007, 11:54 AM

App State could not compete regularly for Top-25 status if they were D-1. If they were D-1, they'd be a completely different team ... it's not like they'd just say "let's add 20 players!" The team would be totally different, the situation different, everything.

Are they a great team? Sure they are ... no doubt about it. But it's like saying George Mason would've competed for the ACC title a few years back just b/c they went on an amazing run in the NCAAs. Not going to happen. The games are played for a reason, and things like this happen, but let's not make App State the next great FB power.

That's not completely true. We have no idea what a D-I App State would look like. Marshall, even in a crapola I-A conference, still is near the Top 25 most years, and goes to a bowl game almost as regularly as NC State. Personally, I think Marshall played tougher opposition in the Southern Conference... In fact, they probably lose recruits at the I-A level because of their conference affiliation. Though, I do agree, that App State would not be a Top 25 I-A program, ONLY because they wouldn't be in a BCS conference, and nobody would go play them in Boone. It's the same problem Marshall has now.

The fact though, App State IS a football power. The problem is, nobody really knows it.

Nobody knows what a George Mason would have done against an ACC schedule. It's just too bad the so-called "big guys" never really give them a chance to find out, because they are afraid of "upsets".

corylav

09-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Marshall's a good example ... they are playing some of the big boys each year and always lose ... they haven't beaten a worthwhile non-conference for since 2003 (Kansas State, who was No. 10 at the time) and have been to a bowl once since 2003, I believe ... and even that year they were bowl eligible at 6-5.

Problem with the move to D-1 is suddenly you're not unearthing diamonds in the rough for your program. You're competing for kids who are supposedly better players in recruiting season, and you're competing for them against the likes of ACC and SEC schools. Marshall isn't landing guys like Moss, Leftwich and Pennington anymore. All their commits are two-star guys. Same thing happened to UConn, too. App St. would suffer the same fate within a couple years of going D-1. Sad but true.

RangersCanesFan

09-06-2007, 12:25 PM

I agree. I read about Armanti Edwards only getting two offers out of high school, one from App and the other from New Mexico State. New Mexico State wanted him to play receiver. After he committed to App, Clemson and Vanderbilt offered, but he stuck with his committment to App. Most likely, that wouldn't happen if App was D-I. My alma mater, Delaware, occassionally finds those diamonds in the rough as well. If they moved up, they probably wouldn't either.

It's actually all about the conference. UConn will be all right. They were never much at I-AA...we used to trounce them on a regular basis. They just happened to luck into the Big East. They've had some major QB injuries over the past two seasons, and still stayed competitive even if their record wasn't that impressive. They're still better than Syracuse (that situation amazes me).

Still, in a weird way, I think this talk justifies my point about the top I-AA's being stronger than most non-BCS teams.

corylav

09-06-2007, 12:38 PM

I think you're right .... that a lot of D-1AA's top echelon could compete in mid-major conferences as they are right now. I just don't think they could ever be top-25 team .. even a Boise St. type. You really, really would need to catch lightning in a bottle and get a lot of breaks to do it. Crap, Wake needed all that to win the ACC!

Pyronite

09-07-2007, 07:56 PM

the same team that played state won that national title... thats what they have to do with each other.

but i'm giving up

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your overall I-A/I-AA argument, but this little (bolded) quote is not true. We started last season with Trey Elder at quarterback. The NC State game is only one of two he has started last season or since (he started the next game after NC State as well). The prior year Richie Williams was our starting quarterback (but he graduated following our first I-AA championship).

Elder was, at least in my opinion, lousy. Elder was a slow-to-moderate QB with a tendency to fumble the ball a bit too easily. He was no replacement for Williams (a fast scrambler and good passer) whereas Edwards fit ASU's system well. Armanti Edwards has been the starter since the third game of the 2006 season.

State would have likely still won that game, but having a very mobile QB like Edwards in the backfield would have shifted the offensive dynamics considerably. I do think that if Edwards played anywhere near the level he has since he got the start last season, the NC State game would have played out differently and been much harder to call.

nccanes

09-08-2007, 12:46 AM

I happened to be at Border's tonight and it was kinda sad to see a sign up about how SI wasn't printing any add'l copies of this week's edition and that they were only getting in the 5 normal copies. Five? That's all Border's gets each week?

Anyway - it was first come first served.

I wouldn't have bought a copy anyway, but would have liked to see the cover. So if anyone sees it online could you post it?

livinthedream

09-08-2007, 08:26 AM

Here ya go.....

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/kellja00/LGC/SI_App.jpg

And in other news:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-appstate090707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Mountaineers bring change to AP poll
By Paul Newberry, Associated Press
September 7, 2007

After pulling off one of the greatest upsets in college football history, Appalachian State is still shaking things up. The Associated Press said Thursday that lower-division schools — that means you, Mountaineers — are now eligible for its 71-year-old poll.

"It's great they opened the door," Appalachian State coach Jerry Moore said from his office in Boone, N.C. "Certainly we're not going to be the No. 1 team in the country. We know that. We're not even going to be in the top 10. But if you have a win over a nice football team, I like that it's not out of the realm of possibility for a school like us to be one of the top 20 or 25 teams in the country."

Several AP voters expressed interest in putting Appalachian State on their ballots after a shocking 34-32 upset at then-No. 5 Michigan last weekend. But the poll guidelines, which mirrored the coaches' rankings conducted by USA Today, limited eligibility to teams competing in the former NCAA Division I-A, now known as the Football Bowl Subdivision.

The Mountaineers compete in the Football Championship Subdivision, known before this season as Division I-AA.
The AP decided to make the change because schools that show they can compete with big-time teams on the field should have a chance to be recognized with them in the top 25, Sports Editor Terry Taylor said.

"Why not? The poll was always intended to measure teams that compete against each other, regardless of division, based solely on on-field performance," she said. "It was that way long before Division I was divided into I-A and I-AA in 1978."

goalie33

09-09-2007, 03:16 AM

Lloyd Carr is toast.

StormChaserBH

09-09-2007, 10:33 AM

Let's hope...... le sigh.

Captain Slack

09-09-2007, 11:20 AM

Captain Slack

09-09-2007, 11:21 AM

Lloyd Carr is toast.

So, do you think he'll be fired tomorrow or will the administration wait and see what the result of the Notre Dame game is next week?

My guess is if the Wolverines don't show up that game, he's a goner.

IceSun

09-09-2007, 02:52 PM

"I guarantee we win next week," Hart said, referring to his team's matchup with Notre Dame.
An outrageous statement by Hart (25 carries for 127 yards in the loss), perhaps. But the Fighting Irish also are 0-2 after a loss at Penn State on Saturday, setting up a clash of the Titanics right here next weekend.

:laugh:
Clash of the Titanics - Love it!!!

Hey, one of them has to win...right?

Mona2006

09-09-2007, 10:57 PM

E Congrats to your Tigers. We watched some of the beating they were giving to the Hokies. OUCH!! Painful to watch. :) The crowds at the stadium are awesome. I also loved the live shots of the tiger too. He/she is gorgeous. LSU has a great team. Wouldn't be surprised to see them win the NCAA championship this season.

My Pack sucks. It will be a long and painful season for us I am afraid. :( :wah:

nccanes

09-10-2007, 08:44 AM

Watching those games does make me a little bit homesick. It's been way too long since we've been able to get down there for a home football game.

The new "Mike the Tiger" (Mike VI) certainly put on a show for the cameras. I was reading about him recently. They were going to keep him in the indoor portion of his cage/habitat for two weeks, but he seemed to be adjusting so well they let him out in the outdoor portion a week early. They said he has the potential to be the biggest "Mike" yet. Apparently his name is "Roscoe" and will officially be renamed "Mike VI" soon.

Here he is:

http://www.mikethetiger.com/images/history/mike6/image1.gif

and his website http://www.mikethetiger.com/

It's pretty cool when they get Mike to the games in his caged trailer. And if he lets out a roar - the stadium goes insane.

Oh - for you Auburn fans, my sister (a USF fan) traveled to the Auburn/USF game and had a wonderful time. Said the Auburn folks were great hosts and she loved everything about the campus and traditions, etc. Said she got goose bumps when the War Eagle did its thing before the game.

RangersCanesFan

09-10-2007, 09:49 AM

From the I-AA vs. I-A front,

Northern Iowa did beat Iowa State, 24-13, and Southern Illinois beat Northern Illinois, 34-31.

Appalachian State got 19 points in the AP Poll.

Looks like the ACC totally sucks. Outside of Georgia Tech, Clemson, and possibly Boston College, the ACC is home to some pretty bad football. I think it's HILARIOUS that the ACC raids the Big East's three "best" teams, and all that happens is the Big East becomes a stronger conference. Could the majority of the ACC even come close in games against:

West Virginia?
Rutgers?
Louisville?
South Florida?
Cincinnati?

South Florida is maybe the fourth-best Big East team, and they go into Jordan-Hare and beat Auburn, while the fifth-best team, Cincinnati, torches Oregon State, a Pac-10 popular dark-horse, by 30+ at home.

corylav

09-10-2007, 10:05 AM

Going to be an interesting year in college football.

Notre Dame & Michigan are both off to their worst starts in decades & Top 25 teams are getting upset left & right. Here's hoping the BCS is a complete mess & they finally decide do a playoff.

On this and the Carr stuff ... Carr was leaving after this season anyway. He won't be fired, though I'm sure any change of heart following the season wouldn't be allowed by Bill Martin. Also, while this may be U-M's worst start in decades (tho they also went 0-2 in 1998 following their national title year, with Tom Brady at QB ... then won the rest of their games), ND was 0-3 in 2001. This is, however, the first time both started the season 0-2.

Mona2006

09-10-2007, 10:38 AM

Thanks for the link E. He is gorgeous and I am sure his roar does light a fire under the players and the fans. :) I would love to see a game at the stadium.. not as a fan of the opposing team though. :) Way back when, there used to be two wolves that attended Pack games. IIRC, one was gray and one was white. That was pretty cool. The Wolfpack certainly needs a fire lit..somehow..someway. *sigh* :(

caneshockeychick

09-10-2007, 10:48 AM

As far as NCSU goes, I'm going to just tell myself all season that we are rebuilding and not to expect much this season. I do hope, that in years to come, O'Brien can get us to where he took BC in the 10 yrs he was there if not even further.

It's really all I can hope for at this time. :(

Caniac

09-10-2007, 11:34 AM

It'll be even farther, and I wouldn't rule out an awesome second half of the season for the Wolfpack, much the same as Sidney Lowe's basketball team did last year...

The future looks very bright for NC State sports.

corylav

09-10-2007, 12:07 PM

concerning the Pack .. it might be a blessing in disguise for Hill, Pressley and Baker to miss the season. If they can all redshirt (and all choose too instead of going pro), the offense immediately becomes 10 times better.

RangersCanesFan

09-10-2007, 01:12 PM

NC State's biggest problem is the lack of an offensive line. It really doesn't matter how good a running back is, how good a QB is, or how good receivers are if nobody can block. State's game against BC on Saturday was embarrassing. There was a guy playing right tackle that probably couldn't have started at a good high school. That's how bad he was.

It's going to take a few recruiting cycles for State to establish a line. O'Brien is going to change the culture and the style of recruiting which led to this problem. Amato never recruited offensive linemen as a priority. A lot of times, defensive linemen that were too slow on the pass rush got switched over to the offense. While Amato did score some big time players at the skill positions, he competed against I-AAs for linemen.

Not to mention a punter dropping a perfect snap. That's inexcusable at almost every level of football.

I don't think any of us completely know just how bad this program was left by Amato. I hate to say it, but 0-12 is not completely inconceivable. The good thing is, O'Brien is changing the mentality and the culture. Unfortunately, this rehab is going to take a season or two. This program was sick, the disease set in after Rivers left. Now, the cancer has to move on (Amato's players).

One thing I noticed with the 2006 class was the complete lack of strength. Amato signed LINEBACKERS that could bench press 220 pounds maybe once. It seemed like with Chuck, if you had some flashy highlights from Florida, you were a recruit target. This, unfortunately, makes up the bulk of the State roster...as the saying goes, you can't make chicken salad from chicken ****.

Mona2006

09-10-2007, 01:42 PM

NC State's biggest problem is the lack of an offensive line. It really doesn't matter how good a running back is, how good a QB is, or how good receivers are if nobody can block.

Very true. I said the same thing myself. We don't have an offensive line. Even Philip Rivers couldn't work his magic if this offensive line would have been on the field with him. I don't know why they can't gel.. but the offensive coaches and Coach O'Brien need to fix this problem and fast.

As Cory mentioned, hopefully the injuries will heal completely and we can be in the hunt for a championship next season (ACC or otherwise).

I love the Pack.. I have been a fan longer than a lot of you guys have been in existence, (taps cane on floor) :D but I get tired of losing. I miss the days of Dick Sheridan.

jeffbear

09-10-2007, 05:26 PM

In the positive column for State is that the combo Amato/O'Brien class from last spring featured some decent (not great, but decent) offensive linemen who are in the program now. O'Brien has jumped out to a quick start in recruiting for next spring getting a fair number of early commitments from ... you guessed it ... offensive linemen.

Those guys don't grow on trees, and they're not ready to contribute overnight ... in fact it usually takes at least a redshirt year and then a freshman year before you can get any help at all out of an o-lineman ... but the re-stocking has already started. The lines are the key to building a football program, of that there casn be no doubt. It doesn't hurt to have decent linebackers and QBs too ... and here you can blast Amato all the way to his old condo in Tallahassee because he left the larder darned near bare at both positions.

I keep telling my State fan friends that it's going to take a couple of years before the Pack is anything better than decent ... but nobody seems to want to hear that. Reality does indeed bite.

Almost forgot ... don't give up on Wake just yet. They might be 0-2 but once they get Skinner back I think they'll be fine. They've actually played pretty well in those two loses and the anticipated problems at lineback haven't been an issue.

Caniac

09-10-2007, 07:46 PM

^ Dead on. Well at least until that part about Wake being decent. ;)

Mona2006

09-10-2007, 10:09 PM

I am not an ECU fan but hats off to them for a great game this weekend. Very exciting game to watch with the scoring going back and forth. Glad that kicker could redeem himself!! Always love seeing the Holes lose. :D

agentpreppie

09-16-2007, 12:14 PM

17 wins in a row for ASU now. I hope they can go undefeated but I'd prefer another national title over a perfect season.

Solracer

09-17-2007, 08:47 AM

Duke WON! Duke WON! over a D1 BCS school no less!! :)

Mona2006

09-18-2007, 02:34 PM

17 wins in a row for ASU now. I hope they can go undefeated but I'd prefer another national title over a perfect season.

My bet is you will get both! :D Congrats to APP for having such an awesome team! :)

And congrats to Duke. I hope the monkey that climbed off their back moves over to Chapel Hole! :)

Go Wolfpack! :)

Solracer

09-18-2007, 03:38 PM

Man Duke could be playing and 0-6 Notre Dame Team with who Norte Dame has to play in the next few weeks, I wonder what would have to Charlie Weiss if he lost to Duke.

livinthedream

09-18-2007, 11:57 PM

17 wins in a row for ASU now. I hope they can go undefeated but I'd prefer another national title over a perfect season.

Yeah, good thing Michigan won last weekend, even if it was only against Notre Dame. They were really pulling down ASU's strength of schedule.

IceSun

09-22-2007, 08:20 PM

Yeah, good thing Michigan won last weekend, even if it was only against Notre Dame. They were really pulling down ASU's strength of schedule.

Michigan beats #10 Penn State - ASU's strength of schedule just improved!

livinthedream

09-22-2007, 08:24 PM

It's my fault that Michigan won. I should have never made that previous post. Killed all the mojo. At least that's the story according to my Penn State graduate husband. :(

IceSun

09-22-2007, 08:35 PM

It's my fault that Michigan won. I should have never made that previous post. Killed all the mojo. At least that's the story according to my Penn State graduate husband. :(

Ooh, bummer - condolences to Mr LTD

IceSun

09-22-2007, 11:22 PM

And Wofford beat ASU to end their 17 game winning streak, so it does them no good.

Back to my ASU...we have points and positive yardage...still hope for the comeback...

puck_it

09-23-2007, 02:33 AM

and so, the conversation comes full circle. the "irrelevant" state loss last year, and now they lose to wofford, which state SPANKED. Not taking a rubbing in as many have claimed earlier, but mearly providing a bit of evidence to the contrary that they, or any D-IAA school could "just make the jump" and walk all over the competition. App is CLEARLY the best I-AA school out there, and beat a 'legend', but these situations keep popping up. (dont hate on me this time, because for a D-IAA champ, App is still my pick)

goalie33

09-23-2007, 04:08 AM

NC State > Wofford > App State > Michigan > Penn State

.: NC State > Penn State

puck_it

09-23-2007, 12:24 PM

hmmm... TAKE THAT JOE PATERNO!

livinthedream

09-23-2007, 12:34 PM

^/^^ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Mona2006

10-01-2007, 08:06 AM

Hey E.. congrats on LSU's #1 ranking..they deserve it. :)

My Pack sucks.. :(

nccanes

10-01-2007, 11:57 AM

I JUST was reading the sports section. Pretty cool. Still have some tough games ahead, but at least Auburn and Florida are going to be in Tiger Stadium. Facing Saban on the road in Alabama will be tough too.

My sis and family are season ticket holders for the USF Bulls. Have been since they began the football program so they are thrilled with their wins and their top 10 ranking.

I'm so sorry about the Pack. It's such a shame!

car3hur

10-02-2007, 02:25 PM

IceSun

10-14-2007, 01:50 AM

SUNDEVILS GO 7-0 FOR FIRST TIME SINCE 1996!
:evil: :nanner: :yippee: :nanner: :yippee: :toocool:

Captain Slack

10-14-2007, 12:51 PM

IceSun

10-14-2007, 04:34 PM

The first BCS comes out today at 4PM. Can't wait to see how incredibly screw-up it is after all the upsets we've had this season.

Personally, I hope South Florida or Boston College is #1. They deserve it more than Ohio State. But, since this isn't a perfect world and the Buckeye's have more name recognition (and thus can generate more TV ratings) they'll be a lock for #1.

God, I hate the BCS! :hurl:

4:30 and I haven't found it yet...

To your point - Quote from Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports:
"The BCS does a terrible job of determining a champion. It's designed not to serve the players, coaches or fans, just the corporate coffers favored by the commissioner of the Big Ten. "

livinthedream

10-14-2007, 09:40 PM

As expected, Buckeyes are #1. South Florida is runner-up, followed by BC at third.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-bcsstandings&prov=ap&type=lgns

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/polls;_ylt=AiRh.Wyty1HOMahRIrOP9qXjvbYF

IceSun

10-14-2007, 09:47 PM

Hey, we're #8 in BCS (vs. 12 in polls).

I may have to rethink my opinion :lol:

Mona2006

10-16-2007, 08:55 AM

car3hur

10-19-2007, 12:35 PM

Hopefully the Pack can suck it up and win at Greenville this weekend. Beating ECU would make me feel a little better since they have beat us pretty regular in the past few years. :mad: At least the Holes are in the toilet right along with us. Misery loves company...especially if they are wearing baby blue. :lol:

Definately...BEAT ECU!!

Almost can't stand them, as much as I can't stand UNC! :D

November 10th is the big game for me though...AT Miami...and being a Canes fan for college football as well, that will sure be an interesting one 'round these parts!

sccanesfan

10-20-2007, 07:52 PM

I hated to see that So. Fl. lost Thur. Night and then to see So. Car. lose today. It's been nice to have 2 top ten teams there that are never there. I hope they pick things back up.

IceSun

10-20-2007, 10:29 PM

Well, for an off week, it's been a good and bad week in Sundevil land

Good - John Elway's son commits to ASU, Cal loses second in a row so we will pass them in the rankings

Bad - Superstar running back out for season with a toe injury (bad week for injuries already as a Hurricanes fan and now this!), Cal loses second in a row and will be pissed when we face them next week

Captain Slack

10-21-2007, 10:26 AM

I hated to see that So. Fl. lost Thur. Night and then to see So. Car. lose today. It's been nice to have 2 top ten teams there that are never there. I hope they pick things back up.

I hate it that SF lost, too. :( Was really hoping for a SF vs. BC final. Oh, well.

Can't feel too sorry for the Gamecocks, though. I absolutely LOATH Steve Spurrier, so anytime he loses I have to take it with a certain amount of glee.

VandyCane

10-21-2007, 02:58 PM

This Vandy fan isn't the least bit sorry that the gamecocks lost! :evil: ;)

caneshockeychick

10-21-2007, 11:49 PM

Me neither (and I'm not a Vandy fan :lol: )

Yes we are sisters but one of us just absolutely hates anything to do with Spurrier. Couldn't even stomach the Skins when he was coaching in the NFL (and I came out of the womb a Skins fan).

When Spurrier leaves USC (that's Univ of South Carolina for you SoCal peeps ;) ), I'll go back to pulling for them. Hey, I was wearing a Gamecocks t shirt when I first got my ears pierced (I was 4!) so they are my first College love

sccanesfan

10-22-2007, 01:14 AM

I am an will never be a Spurrier fan. NEVER!!! My comment was on the fact we finally had some new teams in the top ten. But the way this year seems to be going, the top ten today could be unranked by next week.

I have been an FSU (outside of NCSU that is) fan for way too long to ever like anyone related to Florida football, Spurrier included.

See chc, I haven't gone off the deep end since living in SC.

Mona2006

10-22-2007, 09:46 AM

Woo hoo. Glad the Pack beat ECU! I have always hated them and losing to them is more than I can take. :yippee: :nanner:

I was a HUGE fan of theirs however when they kicked that FG to beat the Holes. :lol: :evil:

I saw Spurrier on the news and all he did was smile..sarcastically..but he was smiling. I can imagine that his players now have an extra anus because he tore another one for them. :lol:

Captain Slack

10-22-2007, 11:18 AM

I remember when Spurrier was coach at Duke. Had to respect the guy for winning there. No has done that before or since, but he's so FREAKIN' ARROGANT I couldn't stand him!! I mean, you could just feel it oozing though the TV everytime he got in front of a camera. Can only imagine how much of an a$$hole he must be in person.

Mona2006

10-22-2007, 03:36 PM

Yeah but he stuck it to the Tarholes when he was at Duke. Loved the story about him posing in front of the scoreboard at Keenan.. :lol:

sccanesfan

10-22-2007, 05:15 PM

Being in SC now, that was all our paper was writing about. For an entire week, that is all I got to read about the game, until the day of the game that is, then they talked about Vand.

IceStorm

10-26-2007, 01:03 AM

BC beat VT in a good one last night, 14-10. It would not surprise me one bit to see them face off again in the ACCCG.

All of you Wolfpackers, enjoy the win over the Easy U Pie Rats. Something that the Heels could not do.

We are a different team from when we played them in September. We'd thrash them if we met again.

Its always nice to see y'all melt down in the aftermath of another loss to Carolina... :D

GO HEELS!!! :cool:

Just remember: 63-27-6 :p

car3hur

10-26-2007, 01:01 PM

IceSun

10-28-2007, 02:04 AM

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
ARIZONA STATE STILL UNDEFEATED 8-0
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

They pass their first big test over Cal who two weeks ago was minutes from being ranked #1.

Next week - the biggest test - #5 Oregon who beat USC this week

Congrats

Mona2006

10-29-2007, 09:48 AM

The Pack played a complete game against the Cavs.. what a pleasant surprise. O'Brien already told them that if we win out, we are bowl eligible.. :lol: Wake will be the toughest one left IMO... I hope we kick the Tar Holes all over the field at Carter. :lol: :mad:

Captain Slack

10-29-2007, 12:30 PM

Here's something you'll never see again in a million years!

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220&categoryId=2564308

caneshockeychick

10-29-2007, 12:36 PM

WOW!!! ^that play took forever :lol:

IceSun

10-29-2007, 02:10 PM

Great post - that was amazing.

With :02 on the clock, that may be the longest 2 second play in history :)

cmw00

10-29-2007, 04:04 PM

Just saw it on fox news! Unbelieveable! :lol:

heres the youtube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VrI52_2GaZI

sccanesfan

10-29-2007, 06:48 PM

How many times do ya'll think they practiced that play?? :lol: :lol::laugh: :laugh:

Turbulence

10-29-2007, 07:17 PM

He said 'lateral' so much that the word pretty much lost its meaning. Incredible play!

IceSun

11-03-2007, 11:58 PM

Sundevil's dream is over - undefeated season and probably Rose Bowl hopes come to an end. Sigh.:bye:

It was a fun ride in an unexpected year and hopefully bodes well for some serious title contention in the coming years. If we win out, still small hope for Roses...

caneshockeychick

11-04-2007, 12:01 AM

Yeah NCSU!!!!

And at the Orange Bowl too!!!!

car3hur

11-05-2007, 12:01 PM

Yeah NCSU!!!!

And at the Orange Bowl too!!!!

They only won cause Miami's kicker isn't worth a d*mn! ;)

caneshockeychick

11-05-2007, 12:21 PM

It's still a W ;)

car3hur

11-05-2007, 01:23 PM

It's still a W ;)

I know, I know...and for someone who cheers for BOTH, it was a tough one for me, that's for sure!

What am I gonna do NEXT year, when the Canes come HERE?! Ugh...... ;)

caneshockeychick

11-05-2007, 01:34 PM

Gotcha!! Same thing I do when NCSU plays FSU... be happy when one of them wins (although I have more sadness when NCSU loses)

puck_it

11-05-2007, 05:01 PM

They only won cause Miami's kicker isn't worth a d*mn! ;)

ask buffalo about how important kickers are

Mona2006

11-06-2007, 08:31 PM

I hope the Wolfies kick some baby blue arse this Saturday!!

Howwwwlllllllll... :D

car3hur

11-07-2007, 10:46 AM

ask buffalo about how important kickers are

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Amazing you say that, cause I just watched that youtube the other day...and got chills all over again!! :D

caneshockeychick

11-07-2007, 10:55 AM

GO PACK!!!

I might actually get to watch this game since I don't have to be at work until 3:30 on Saturday....yeah!!!!!

RangersCanesFan

11-07-2007, 12:21 PM

Time to beat the holes on Saturday!

If State wins this game, they can actually think about bowling this holiday season.

Let's hope State wins. If not, I have to hear my hole fan wife gloat all the way back to Charlotte. Plus, our "bet" this year is, if the holes win, I have to wear baby blue to the holes - Davidson basketball game on 11/14 in Charlotte. If State wins, I get to buy the first baby clothes.

We may be the only people in the entire state of North Carolina that are Wolfpack Club members and rams club members at the same time. When rams club crap comes to the house with my name on it, I cringe.

car3hur

11-07-2007, 03:07 PM

GO PACK!!!

I might actually get to watch this game since I don't have to be at work until 3:30 on Saturday....yeah!!!!!

Let's see...I get married at 1:00...should be over by 1:30ish.....oh yeah, TV at the church is DEFINATELY going on!! :lol:

Scottie2hottie

11-07-2007, 03:20 PM

^ I will hurt you :fire:

;)

Mona2006

11-07-2007, 03:22 PM

Congrats you two... :)

Canesluver

11-07-2007, 04:08 PM

Wooooo!! the football diet!! Woooooooooo!

Mona2006

11-09-2007, 08:20 AM

http://www.replayphotos.com/images/NCS/xlg/NCS-S-CFS-00006xlg.jpg

http://www.replayphotos.com/images/NCS/xlg/NCS-S-CFS-00014xlg.jpg

:D

Shattered

11-10-2007, 03:43 PM

^What she said.
:nanner: :yippee: :beer: :wooooo: :thumbsup: :toocool: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :beer:

Mona2006

11-10-2007, 05:22 PM

PACK WON, HOLES LOST... come on Canes, make it a perfect sports day for me!! :nanner: :yippee: :thumbsup: :toocool:

:beer: > Cheers Shattered!! :D

sccanesfan

11-10-2007, 10:07 PM

YEAH PACK!!!!! I was in Myrtle Beach with Girl Scouts so didn't get to watch. I was calling family for updates and getting texts.

How about OSU going down to Illinois. How many upsets can one season have.

IceSun

11-10-2007, 10:41 PM

Sundevils - check!
Canes - check!
Suns - check!
Pack - check!
Ohio State loss - check!
Michigan loss - check!
BC loss - check in the mail! (34-21 in the 3rd)(could care less about BC other than they hold the next spot up from the Sundevils in the rankings)

Good sports day :D

livinthedream

11-10-2007, 10:44 PM

Great sports day for the LTD family.

I couldn't be in the room to watch the State game because everytime I sat down in front of the TV they ****ed up so I had to leave and listen from the other room. What an incredibly exciting finish, can't even imagine what it must have been like to be at C-F today.

And Mr. LTD got the Big Ten trifecta - Penn State won and both OSU and Michigan lost. :lol: Canes win - icing on the cake!

^ HAHA Sundevil I didn't read yours until after I posted mine - seems we have the same affection (or lack thereof) for a couple of the Big Ten teams. :lol:

Mona2006

11-11-2007, 08:55 AM

I couldn't be in the room to watch the State game because everytime I sat down in front of the TV they ****ed up so I had to leave and listen from the other room. What an incredibly exciting finish, can't even imagine what it must have been like to be at C-F today.

I totally understand ltd... the announcers made me want to puke because they could barely speak for having their lips on Carolina's asses. So I muted and listened to the Pack announcers. When the Holes took the lead, I felt like the Pack was unraveling.. so I turned it to the Clemson game. I couldn't stay away so I turned it back on and low and behold, they started playing better. They just needed me to give them a break from my yelling. :lol:

Wish I had been in Carter too. They were showing the crowd on the news last night and seeing all that red jumping and down and making noise was awesome. Tom O said that the State fans are the best fans he has ever seen, anywhere. Good move TO. :D

Go Wolfpack!!!! :lol:

SC06

11-11-2007, 03:55 PM

[QUOTE=livinthedream]

And Mr. LTD got the Big Ten trifecta - Penn State won and both OSU and Michigan lost. :lol: Canes win - icing on the cake!

QUOTE]

For us it is a Penn State win and a Notre Dame loss that completes our perfect sports day....along with State and the 'Canes, of course.

LostTexan

11-11-2007, 04:00 PM

OMG it was awesome to be in C-F yesterday. I couldn't for the life of me find a reasonably priced ticket to the game until about 4pm on Friday when a nice lady replied to my plea for a ticket on Craigslist and sold me one for $35. I am so glad I got to go it was such an awesome game and although the team nearly gave me a heart attack it was amazing.

The way this team has been playing I'm almost tempted to make the trip to WF next week.

SC06

11-11-2007, 04:30 PM

We are making the trip to WF on Saturday. With a 4:00 start I was forced to sell my tickets to the 'Canes game. :( They are expecting quite a large State crowd at the game.

kermelbar

11-11-2007, 09:09 PM

My Saturday rawked, too. It was Presidents' Weekend at Marshall, when they bring in the alumni chapter presidents from around the country. (Not everyone can make it, of course, so we were mostly East Coast chapters this year.) It's more or less a free weekend in my most favorite college town. So, y'know, points for that. =.)

Then, miracle of miracles, the Herd managed to shut ECU down in a 26-7 victory. I have no idea where the hell our D has been this year, but glad they finally showed up! (Oh, wait. We did see them the first half of the WVU game ... Maybe they've been recovering.) It's been 3 years since I made it in for a game, so to see this win -- in a now 2-7 season -- was awesome.

And then the Canes won, too. Whoo!

Mona2006

11-12-2007, 02:49 PM

We are making the trip to WF on Saturday. With a 4:00 start I was forced to sell my tickets to the 'Canes game. :( They are expecting quite a large State crowd at the game.

Have fun and cheer for me too! I grew up in Winston-Salem but have been a lifelong Wolfpacker. I spent a few Saturdays in Groves pulling for the Pack..and not being very popular! :D Go Pack!!:)

Captain Slack

11-27-2007, 11:02 AM

Dan Wetzel at Yahoo Sports has a great article on what a College Football playoff would & should be like. I can't stand the BCS or the Bowl system and this would ssooooo much more exciting than the mess we have now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AoxzQmrJs64PBZwkCOuxvgkcvrYF?slug=dw-playoff112707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Turbulence

11-27-2007, 11:19 AM

What kind of system is it when Hawaii can not lose a game and never be ranked above #12? What more could they do to win the championship? Yet because they aren't LSU or Ohio State, they won't get the ranking or the chance to play for what they may (or may not) deserve to play for. The playoff is the single only way of determining which is actually the best team. I hope to see it sooner, rather than later. What percentage of the fans/players think a playoff is best?

nccanes

11-27-2007, 11:55 AM

Well, I'm for a playoff system, but not because I feel bad for Hawaii, lol.

My Tigers may have lost 2 games, but they don't deserve to be behind Va Tech who they smeared (and also have 2 losses).

Anyway - it looks like the family is going to make the trek down to ATL to see the SEC Championship game. Very excited about it -- pretty much a spontaneous decision last night. Nice to have old friends in the Athletic Department that hooked us up with tix today. :D

LostTexan

11-27-2007, 12:57 PM

I kind of like the uncertainty of the BCS and the fact that every week can make or break your season. Whereas in the I-AA, sorry Div. 1 playoff subdivision, you can have a team drop several games and if they are non-conference it means nothing because they can still win the conference and the national championship. On the other hand I think a 4-team playoff in Div 1 bowl subdivision might work.

As far as Hawaii goes I have a little bit of sympathy for the players but none for the school. When you play in the WAC you cant have an out of conference schedule that includes Northern Colorado, UNLV, and Charleston Southern you cant expect to play for the national championship. They played one ranked team all season in number 19 Boise State.

RangersCanesFan

11-27-2007, 03:02 PM

Opposed to a playoff.

Not that I like the BCS, but I think a playoff might actually be worse.

Turbulence

11-27-2007, 05:23 PM

I'm not neccesarily a Hawaii fan...it's just the principle of the fact that a team can win every single one of their games, and still teams that have lost 2 and 3 games and are still ranked above them. It happened last year too, with Boise State. These teams have to have the ability to win it all if they acheive perfect seasons otherwise. If they are indeed inferior to teams with losses like West Virginia or Missouri, we need to see them lose to know for a fact, if the system of naming a national champion is to have any credibility.
If the Mid-Major conferences can't be allowed to win the national championship, which they really aren't now, they at least deserve their own separate division where an undefeated team can win it all. I'd hate it if the hockey people told me that the Hurricanes can't win the Stanley Cup or, say, the President's trophy even though we have 115 points at the end of the season, because we play the Caps and the Panthers too much, and we don't have the history of Toronto, who everybody knows is a better team even though they have less points. It sounds ridiculous, but is that not basically the situation here?

Also, in a playoff, I don't see why you can't call the individual games in the playoff as the bowl games we have now. Why can't the 1st round 2 seed vs 15 seed game be called the Cotton Bowl and be played in Dallas, just like it would be otherwise?

nccanes

11-27-2007, 05:30 PM

I'd hate it if the hockey people told me that the Hurricanes can't win the Stanley Cup or, say, the President's trophy even though we have 115 points at the end of the season, because we play the Caps and the Panthers too much, and we don't have the history of Toronto, who everybody knows is a better team even though they have less points. It sounds ridiculous, but is that not basically the situation here?

The Stanley Cup IS a playoff structure, so I'm not sure how that compares. I guess if the President's Trophy (that I'm not sure has any real value BECAUSE of the Playoffs) would be a similar comparison.

I guess I look at it more like telling the Phatoms or the Hershey Bears that they can't compete for the Cup even when they win the Calder Cup in their respective league. They are still playing in a lesser league.

Maybe it's because I went to an SEC football school and I now live in NC ACC turf (which from a game and fan experience standpoint does not compare imo), but while I have issue with some of the BCS snafus, I really don't care about good teams in pretty crappy conferences.

Turbulence

11-27-2007, 05:59 PM

Yeah, Stanley isn't an apt comparison, but the President's Trophy is, even if nobody really cares about it.

The difference for me, perhaps, is that the Phantoms and the Bears and the River Rats are in a different league...Appalachian State and Gardner Webb and Coastal Carolina can't win the BCS National Championship because they're in a different league, just as the Durham Bulls can't win the World Series because they're in a different league. Perhaps it's the pretense that Hawaii, Boise State, other teams in mid-major conferences can win the national championship and are on a level playing field with the other teams in their same league, when they unequivocably aren't. Maybe that means that the FBS (isn't that what they call it now?) is too big and needs to be split up, if teams like that can't get any other harder competition from the more prestigious conferences...

I've always liked the European idea of relegation. If Appalachian state wins the FCS championship playoff, they get to play in the FBS (they are good enough, they did beat Michigan). Likewise, Duke has been horrible for years, so maybe they should be relegated until they can work their way back up. Make a few more smaller divisions and make advancement possible, maybe that's the best way to ensure that everybody plays everybody (with some provision for rivalry games if they're made out-of-league by relegation) and that a true national champion can be crowned. Something to think about...I don't know if I'm totally convinced on it, but it's always seemed a good system across the pond.
It would be hard to implement here due to logistics...say Hawaii ends up in the top league with NC State :spin:, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Ohio State, Nebraska, and a few more teams...they have to travel every other game across 6 time zones, and that's unrealistic. Still just something to think about.

nccanes

11-27-2007, 06:16 PM

Well the size of the NCAA Div 1 is the issue. The disparity between the top and bottom is always going to be huge (let alone tiers between them).

I'm not in favor of any sort of relegation in NCAA sports. I love my SEC and I don't want anyone else messing with it. :beatup:

Honestly I've just presumed they won't have a playoff. It doesn't really bother me much to tell the truth. But I think the concept isn't as hard to get to these days as compared to the pre-BCS bowls concept.

Captain Slack

11-27-2007, 10:27 PM

Opposed to a playoff.

Not that I like the BCS, but I think a playoff might actually be worse.

I don't see how. A playoff is used in I-AA or Division I or Football Subdivision or whatever the hell it's called this week. A true national champion is crowned every year and I don't hear anyone complaining about it. Why do you think it wouldn't work for I-A?

RangersCanesFan

11-28-2007, 08:37 AM

I don't see how. A playoff is used in I-AA or Division I or Football Subdivision or whatever the hell it's called this week. A true national champion is crowned every year and I don't hear anyone complaining about it. Why do you think it wouldn't work for I-A?

Ok, Delaware alum here. I'm quite familiar with the I-AA, or FCS playoffs, or whatever they are called now. Everyone thinks just because the lower divisions have it, it can work at the I-A level. The fact is, people really don't know what's going on, other than they see PLAYOFF, and think it's so damn wonderful. I'll list reasons why it's not as great as it's all cracked up to be.

1. Seeds are not necessarily based on who's the better team. Plus, only the top four teams are seeded, and the other games are bracketed for potentially limited travel, so concievably the #1 team COULD play #5 in the first round. They are more based on who has the bigger stadium. The NCAA tries to make as much money as it can, and sacrifices integrity for money. The NCAA gets $5 from each ticket sale, so the prices of the tickets are raised an additional $5. While that might not be a huge deal at Delaware (tickets go from $20 to $25), imagine what the NCAA would charge at a large school? I'm a loyal Wolfpacker, traveling from Charlotte to Raleigh 7 times a year. IF State got a home game in this scenario, at 8 PM on December 10, and tickets were $100, I'D STAY HOME REGARDLESS OF THE OPPONENT! I'm not going to freeze my ass off, get ripped off, and lose another weekend, just because I'm a booster. Believe me, there are plenty of Wolfpackers who would agree with me once they think about it.

2. Even though the NCAA plays games at campus sites to "limit" travel for fans, people still have to spend extra dollars to go to the games. This somewhat works at smaller schools, where the fan "base" is pretty much 30 miles around the school. But, even at Delaware, where we average 22k for regular season games, we're lucky to draw 15-16k to a playoff game. Imagine this at a larger school, where people travel 100-200 miles in one direction 7 times a year. Can someone just drop everything and make a trip on a week's notice, while dropping who knows how much on tickets? Then, do it possibly three times, and THEN go to the Championship Bowl?

3. Because of the realities of cost, and the fact the big bowls wouldn't exist as they currently are, the current BCS Presidents KNOW they wouldn't see anywhere near the amount of money they currently get from the BCS Bowls. Eliminating the big bowls all but eliminates the economic impact traveling fans have on the "big bowl" cities. Even if the bowls still existed, who's going to Miami for a Virginia-South Florida Orange Bowl, when it might be Virginia Tech - Georgia?

4. There is no guarantee TV for this would work like TV for the Basketball Tournament. Most likely, the 8 game first round would take place on the second Saturday in December. People are BUSY at this time of the year. There are also college basketball games being played on the same campuses where the potential football games will be played. Not to mention other conflicts that would arise with only 6 days to solve. This leads to two issues - one, finite amount of fans, and two, scheduling problems. Why is this not a big deal at smaller schools? It is, but you just don't hear about it, because nobody cares if the area around Delaware Stadium is gridlocked due to other events previously scheduled (and this is only with 20,000 people). As for TV, is someone really going to sit in front of a TV on the second Saturday in December and watch 16 hours of college football? It's just not going to happen to the levels that playoff supporters think it will.

5. I think the BCS is crap. I'd be for a +1 scenario that plays out in the current structure, taking the winners of the two designated bowls matching 1-4 and 2-3. Other than that, logistics, COSTS for fans and teams, and overall hassle just to decide a "college football champion" isn't worth it.

IceSun

12-02-2007, 12:04 AM

#1 and #2 lose.

Let the fun begin

Oh and...

WAY TO GO SUNDEVILS!!!

Possible BCS bid (Fiesta, pretty please...), 10-2 season, and victory over the heathen from southern AZ ensuring they miss the bowl festivities.

Canesluver

12-02-2007, 09:59 AM

Way to go, LSU!

http://www.secsports.com/new/sports/fbc/logos/lsu.jpg

NCCanes and family were there. Can't wait to hear all about it, E!

Captain Slack

12-02-2007, 10:30 AM

Chaos reigns!! The BCS is a joke!!! Bring on a playoff!!!

(Yes, RCF makes good points, but I still think it would be better than what we have now.)

nccanes

12-02-2007, 06:12 PM

Woo - hoo for my Tigers. We were sweating it out a bit, but it was FUN to be down in ATL and enjoy the whole thing. We stayed in Buckhead and the MARTA trains were just a sea of Orange and White and Purple and Gold from there all the way to the Dome station with more and more squeezing in.

We had great seats from an LSU fan experience perspective (but kinda low for my viewing liking), we were seated between the section of players' families and the LSU band. We were exactly across the aisle from Matt Flynn's (starting but injured Sr QB) and Jacob Hester's mom (Sr running back). It was fun to watch them who sat so calmly and then go bonkers when LSU's Zenon intercepted and ran it straight in for a TD to go ahead.

We were just to the left of the band's section in this photo.

http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics19/640/TG/TGXWNWWXVTBRGEW.20071202054519.jpg

To come back to the hotel room and watch WV lose to Pitt was something else.

Guess we've got 2 hours before we know if the Tigers get a chance at the title game. So far things look good.

It was funny to read the AJC this morning and see all the spin to get UGA in the title game.

Geaux Tigers!!

(ps - it's a lot harder to stand for 4 hours in non-sensible shoes after walking around downtown ATL than it was to stand for 3 hours in flip flops, lol)

livinthedream

12-02-2007, 08:54 PM

How awesome that you could be there, and congrats to the Tigers for getting their ticket to the big dance!

Now, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE beat Ohio State!!!

nccanes

12-02-2007, 09:35 PM

I sure hope we do!

They handed out purple and gold mardi gras style beads and I wore them all day today with an LSU football sweatshirt. Finally took them off after the Bowl announcements.

I think I'll have to cook some gumbo and/or etouffee on January 7th.

(oh - and hopefully I'll never have to hear "Rocky Top" again in my life. I think they played it 6 times during the early warmups)

Mona2006

12-04-2007, 01:42 PM

Hope your Tigers win it all E... beat those Buckeyes!! :sick:

Glad you had a chance to make it to the SEC championship.

corylav

12-05-2007, 01:30 PM

This is absolutely staggering on the "Les Miles to Michigan" front:

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2007/12/carty_why_wouldnt_martin_call.html

Forget all you've heard about secret deals using third-party intermediaries between Michigan and Miles. Bass said it's just not true.

Miles had no idea if Michigan really wanted him.

So Bass decided to ask.

He said he called Martin's cell phone on Friday and left a message. He just wanted to know where Miles stood.

Then, when he didn't hear back, the agent said he called Martin again.

"The (LSU) deal was so good that we couldn't just wait," Bass said via phone Tuesday. "I didn't know if we were one of the candidates in the pool at that time. There was just no communication."

Where was Martin? One source places him in Florida, at the Ocean Reef Club in Key Largo. Wherever he was, he didn't call back.

Out SAILING?!?! :crazy:

nccanes

12-05-2007, 02:59 PM

So where did Kirk Herbstreit (sp?) get his info? :lol:

Wait. Supposedly Michigan asked for permissino to speak to Les. And LSU said yes but wait until after Saturday's game. Does that mean an agent can talk to the other school and be the go between so that technically it's not UM and Les directly?

Why did the agent have to gauge interest if they'd already said they wanted to talk to Les?

agentpreppie

12-08-2007, 12:26 AM

WOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Appstate is challenging for the THREE-PEAT!!!!! I said it's great to be a Mountaineer!!!!

Agent - '00 and '01

caneshockeychick

12-08-2007, 12:28 AM

Let's go App State (my original college before I transferred to NCSU)

Captain Slack

12-08-2007, 10:15 AM

Armanti Edwards for the Heisman!!!

Shell

12-22-2007, 02:51 PM

Trial Delayed Due to LSU-Ohio St. Game
By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN
Associated Press Writer
Posted: Today at 9:26 a.m.

NEW ORLEANS — Justice can wait until after the LSU game. A state judge near the home of the Tigers has agreed to postpone a trial scheduled to start on the same day LSU plays Ohio State in the BCS national championship game.

Stephen Babcock, an attorney defending Imperial Casualty Insurance Co. in a lawsuit over a car crash, requested the delay because he has tickets to the January 7 game at the Superdome in New Orleans. He and other LSU fans have rented out the second floor of a Bourbon Street bar for a pre-game tailgate party.

In his written request for a new trial date, Babcock refers to Ohio State as "Slowhio" ("due to their perceived lack of speed on both sides of the ball") and notes that Allstate, sponsors of the Sugar Bowl, are not a party in the insurance case.

"All counsel to this matter unequivocally agree that the presence of LSU in the aforementioned contest of pigskin skill unquestionably constitutes good grounds therefor," Babcock wrote. "In fact we have been unable through much imagination and hypothetical scenarios to think of a better reason."

Babcock, whose law office is in Baton Rouge, said lawyers for the plaintiff in the case also have tickets to the game.

"We might disagree on the merits of the case, but everyone was in agreement on this, for sure," he said during an interview Friday.

That includes West Baton Rouge Parish District Judge Alvin Batiste, who agreed Thursday to postpone the trial but didn't immediately set a new date. Babcock said he doesn't know if Batiste is an LSU fan, "but most people around here are."

Louisiana already has a legal precedent for football trumping a trial date. In January, a judge agreed to postpone a trial due to a conflict with last season's NFC championship game between the New Orleans Saints and Chicago Bears.