Defenseman Bob Boughner acquired from Calgary. [Archive]

VandyCane

07-16-2003, 02:21 PM

HURRICANES ACQUIRE BOB BOUGHNER FROM CALGARY
TERRELL WILLIAMS
Flames receive fourth-round pick in 2004, future considerations for rugged defenseman

RALEIGH, N.C. – Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the Carolina Hurricanes, announced today that the team has acquired defenseman Bob Boughner from the Calgary Flames in exchange for a fourth-round pick in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft and future considerations.

“Bob is a tough, character veteran who will provide added leadership to our defense,” said Rutherford.

Boughner (6’ 0’’, 203 lbs.) tallied a career-high 17 points (3g, 14a) and had 126 penalty minutes in 69 games for the Flames last season. The Windsor, Ont., native has totaled 60 points (14g, 46a) and 1,240 penalty minutes in 535 career NHL games with Buffalo, Nashville, Pittsburgh and Calgary. Boughner, 32, led Calgary in plus/minus last season, registering a plus-5, while serving as one of Calgary’s captains.

Originally drafted by the Detroit Red Wings in the second round (32nd overall) of the 1989 NHL Entry Draft, Boughner signed with Calgary as a free agent following the 2000-01 season. He made his NHL debut with Buffalo in 1995-96, after being traded to the Sabres by the Florida Panthers. While in the Florida system, Boughner was a teammate of current Hurricanes netminder Kevin Weekes with the Carolina Monarchs of the American Hockey League in 1995-96.

The fourth-round pick in 2004 that Carolina is trading to Calgary is the selection the Hurricanes acquired from the Columbus Blue Jackets during the 2003 NHL Entry Draft. The Hurricanes traded two fifth-round picks in 2003 for that pick. Carolina maintains its other two fourth-round selection in 2004 – its own pick and the fourth-round selection that it acquired from Phoenix as part of the trade for Danny Markov.

The Flames would also receive a conditional fifth-round pick in 2005 if the Hurricanes sign Boughner following the 2003-04 season or if Carolina trades Boughner to another team, and he signs with that club.

The Hurricanes announced their schedule and mini-season ticket plans for the 2003-04 season today. For more information on purchasing a 10- or 24-game mini-season ticket package, please call the Carolina Hurricanes at (919) 467-7825 or (888) NHL-TIX-1.

Those who keep up with other teams...tell us about this guy

StormShaman

07-16-2003, 02:22 PM

Boogie!

*wibbles*

moonstomper

07-16-2003, 02:26 PM

Wow! I cant beleive we got this guy for practically nothing! Hes in his prime. Doesnt have much in the way of speed, but we seem to have no luck with offensive defensmen anyway...good trade.

guinevere

07-16-2003, 02:56 PM

Wow! I cant beleive we got this guy for practically nothing! Hes in his prime. Doesnt have much in the way of speed, but we seem to have no luck with offensive defensmen anyway...good trade

My thoughts exactly but maybe if we improve our defense enough the offense can actually score. Hope Markov likes Russia.

Guin

raleighcanesfan

07-16-2003, 03:03 PM

WOW!!! Excellent pick-up for us. Not a outstanding, guy you'll notice, but from his days in Pittsburgh, he's very steady and will really complement the rest of our guys.

Hill, Wes, Hedican, Boughner. Our d is starting to look solid.

HockeyPat

07-16-2003, 03:11 PM

Anybody know what his salary will be?

guinevere

07-16-2003, 03:13 PM

Anybody know what his salary will be?

According to "the Buzz" 2.3 million.

Guin

Shell

07-16-2003, 03:14 PM

I haven't seen what he will make this year, His salary last year was 2.3M

HockeyPat

07-16-2003, 03:21 PM

That sound like Markov's money. I quess he will not be a Hurricane next year. Now we can move on to what this years lines will look like.

Ouragans

07-16-2003, 03:28 PM

AbNormal27

07-16-2003, 03:35 PM

Nice pick up! Props to JR for this one! A 4th rounder for a veteran NHL D-man? OK, well, we got him and he makes our blueline a bit bigger. I think Weekes is happy about this.

It just makes me wonder what's next? I don't know if it's because the schedule was released today, but I think I'm getting excited about September 19th and the start of all the fun.

Aaryn

caveman

07-16-2003, 03:36 PM

#'s from last season are similar to Markov. Based on PIM, Boughner looks to play a much more physical game.

I guess this flushes any interest in Klee or Tverdovsky?

I give up...this is making me nuts :crazy:

This seems to flush interest in any other defensemen -- we've already got big $$ in Hill, Hedican, Wesley, Ward and Boughner, and also already have St. Jacques, Malec, and Wallin under contract.

The $2.5M per season that either of Klee, Tverdovsky, and apparently Markov would like to command just doesn't make sense.

With this pickup, I like our top 6 D-men going into this season: Wesley, Hill, Hedican, Ward, Boughner, and Wallin!! With Malec and St. Jacques "growing up" alongside those veterans.

Now we need to focus on getting contracts done for Cole and Svoboda and the real "next season" talk can start in earnest, like "what forward lines are we going to see" and "who is going to get ice time?".

Of course I'm still holding out hope that Hlavac and Tselios might be back under contract if the price is right.

HockeyPat

07-16-2003, 03:41 PM

Some of the other sites (yes, I get around) don't think this is necessary the end of Markov. We might just do some trading to dump salary and pick up some more draft picks. It sure would be nice to have Markov too.

I'm sure signing Cole and Svoboda is just a formality.

folgersnyourcup

07-16-2003, 05:02 PM

I turned on 850 on the way home from work and caught JR mentioning Markov and basically saying things were still up in the air in terms of him coming to the team or not but JR seemed optimistic. I got the impression there was much more to the interview than the part I heard, it seemed to have been going on for a while.... Did anyone catch the whole thing?

Canesluver

07-16-2003, 07:13 PM

I hate pleading ignorance, but is this guy's name pronouced "Bone-er?"
:p

AbNormal27

07-16-2003, 07:54 PM

I hate pleading ignorance, but is this guy's name pronouced "Bone-er?"
:p

Nope...
"boog-ner"
Kind of like "Boog-ie Man"

Aaryn

Stormbringer

07-16-2003, 07:59 PM

I hate pleading ignorance, but is this guy's name pronouced "Bone-er?"
:p

Nope...
"boog-ner"
Kind of like "Boog-ie Man"

(takes a deep breath and does her best Rob Zombie, of White Zombie fame)

I'm your boogie man! That's what I am! And I'm here to do, oh, whatever I can! Oh, in the afternoon...

Sorry, couldn't resist... :D

Canesluver

07-16-2003, 08:16 PM

I hate pleading ignorance, but is this guy's name pronouced "Bone-er?"
:p

Nope...
"boog-ner"
Kind of like "Boog-ie Man"

Aaryn

Thanks, Aaryn-- but damn! I like Bone-er better! Every team needs a boner! :eek2:

StormShaman

07-16-2003, 08:57 PM

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

AbNormal27

07-16-2003, 09:30 PM

Nope...
"boog-ner"
Kind of like "Boog-ie Man"

Aaryn

Thanks, Aaryn-- but damn! I like Bone-er better! Every team needs a boner! :eek2:

Uh, ok then. :roll:

Aaryn

Stormbringer

07-16-2003, 09:38 PM

Nope...
"boog-ner"
Kind of like "Boog-ie Man"

Aaryn

Thanks, Aaryn-- but damn! I like Bone-er better! Every team needs a boner! :eek2:

Uh, ok then. :roll:

:eek2: What he said... :eek2:

caveman

07-16-2003, 09:58 PM

stewart123

07-16-2003, 10:01 PM

Not only was it Markov's money.. it was basically Markov's trade.

Tanabe and Knyazev for Markov and a 2004 4th. A 2004 4th for Boughner + $200K.

Boughner's a bit older, and would become a UFA after this year (instead of 3 for Markov) unless we can convince him that Carolina is a great place to stay. Markov's had more health problems.

But I like the fact that we got a captain.. and I love the fact that Boughner's plus/minus is consistently good (trying to ignore the Predators numbers).. and I thoroughly love the fact that his plus/minus goes up in the playoffs (+20 in four playoff seasons).

JR's off the hook for Markov, as far as I'm concerned. He just picked up the 10-pin spare after guttering.

Note: When I mention $200K, I'm referring to the salary difference between Markov's offer, and what Boughner signed for. Not any specific part of the trade with Calgary.

caveman

07-16-2003, 10:09 PM

From the JoyOfHockey page on Boughner (http://www.joyofhockey.com/Ca1BobBoughner.html), it looks like our new boy played for Carolina's AHL team in 1995-1996! 2-15-17 in 46 games, with a nice 127 PIM.

Gee... could this have been the Carolina Monarchs, formerly the Greensboro Monarchs?

Whose stadium the Canes began playing in when the franchise moved down from Hartford?

Wow.

Welcome home, Bob!

HOLY COW. I did some more digging and pulled up the 1995-1996 Carolina Monarchs stats page: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0006721996.html

Some teammates of mention? Gilbert Dionne, Brad Smyth, Rhett Warrener, and.... KEVIN WEEKES in GOAL.

That, my friends, is just plain WACKY.

So I did some more digging.

Boughner played with Aaron Ward on the Adirondack Red Wings in 1993-1994, along with an All-Star cast. What an AHL team that was. On the 1991-1992 Adirondack team, he played with none other than former Canes captain Keith Primeau.

World gettin' smaller and smaller.

cmw00

07-16-2003, 10:35 PM

Well this is great news!!!

Rember back a week or so or more noe, when JR mentioned that we had other dmen in mind, he said won would trade for a "Mid Round Draft pic"???

Well we got our guy!
From what I read on other websites, you take Glenn Wesley, and boost up his physicalyness, you get this guy!

Stormbringer

07-16-2003, 10:42 PM

Love what I'm hearing and reading about Boogie... (Now there's a cool and fun nickname. :cool:) I think it's safe to say that the D can definitely do without Markov. Not sure I want or the Canes need someone who's not really set on playing with them...

Ouragans

07-16-2003, 11:28 PM

Checking out post on TSN. Seems the majority of Flames fans feel like we stole this guy. Makes me feel a lot better about this deal.

Caveman, I agree. Call me crazy...I would still like to see Hlavac back on the Ice. Unless JR maybe has winger deal up his sleeve.

I'm ready for some hockey and $ 7.00 beer!

Slainte'

Jeff O Rocks

07-17-2003, 12:02 AM

From what I saw on the 6:00 news...this guy is very physical with a lot of penalty minutes....but if he can do the job...I am all for it!! Sounds like our D will be pretty tough this year... and now to get Jesse back at 100%!! :roll:

puckin_A

07-17-2003, 03:08 AM

http://www.boughner6.com/boughner%20pics/boughner-newcaptain.jpg

boogie is on the right

puckin_A

07-17-2003, 03:09 AM

check out his own home page.....and the pics. He is
definitely a very physical player.

http://www.boughner6.com/favorites.html

puckin_A

07-17-2003, 03:11 AM

"I would still like to see Hlavac back on the Ice"

I agree....he didn't get a fair chance. the whole team sucked last year.

caveman

07-17-2003, 06:35 AM

"I would still like to see Hlavac back on the Ice"

I agree....he didn't get a fair chance. the whole team sucked last year.

The question I'd like to ask is: Other than Francis and O'Neill, which forwards showed more than just flashes of offensive creativity last year?

My answer: Vasicek, Hlavac and Vrbata.

A team can't be all tough guys. Hlavac is not a tough guy. He showed some offensive creativity and passing finesse -- imagine a healthy Cole on the receiving end of Hlavac's passing for a full season?

But in the end, my main problem with letting Hlavac go without so much as a token offer... I think Hlavac could be kept for 1.5M or so, and for a player with proven NHL playmaking ability... that is a steal.

But in the very end I can't complain about this off-season. How many teams which finished last go out and spend $$Millions on defensemen? Our D looks solid, solid, solid going into this season (compare v. last season we lost Malik and Tanabe but picked up Wesley, Boughner, and Bruno). Compare our D v. the Cup run, though (lose Malik and Tanabe for Boughner and Bruno) and it still looks a pinch upgraded. Our F looks a little thin on experience going into this season when you look at what we don't have from the past two seasons (add Vrbata and a bunch of rookies, no Gelinas, no Bates, no Kapanen, should I even mention Shane Willis on this board?).

Gelinas is one of the players I really wish we hadn't had to lose last off-season (along with Gary Roberts a couple of years earlier) but it's no fault of JR. First guy on the ice in practice, last guy off the ice... those are the guys you don't replace. In the very, very, very end I guess I don't see Hlavac as being either a leader or irreplaceable.

Speaking of leaders, though, and talking to the "convice Boughner to stay in NC" thread... from Boughner's website:

Also, Bob plans to spend about 3-4 days golfing each week.

In addition Bob and his wife Jen are expecting there 4th child.

(Congratulations Bob!)

He's got a family and likes to golf. What's not to love about NC there?

StormShaman

07-17-2003, 07:54 AM

Compare our D v. the Cup run, though (lose Malik and Tanabe for Boughner and Bruno) and it still looks a pinch upgraded.

...

Shell

07-17-2003, 08:14 AM

LOL at the kids being excited to come to the tropics.

Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:00AM EDT
Canes compensate
Stymied in its efforts to sign Markov, Carolina trades for Boughner
By LUKE DECOCK, Staff Writer

Bob Boughner had heard rumblings he would be traded, but he didn't know where.

He'd also heard about the difficulties the Carolina Hurricanes were having signing Danny Markov.

Turns out, the two were pretty closely related.

"I'd been reading about it just on the Internet and in the papers up here," Boughner said. "But nothing was said to me about it when I got traded."

Taking steps to move on from the Markov fiasco, the Carolina Hurricanes traded for Boughner, sending a fourth-round pick and future considerations to the Calgary Flames for the 32-year-old defenseman.

The Canes considered signing Boughner as a free agent two years ago but were outbid for the 6-foot, 206-pound player by the Flames.

Boughner will make $2.3 million this season, the final year of his contract.

"He's got great character, which we need in our dressing room," Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford said. "He's very physical and a real solid defenseman."

Boughner has played in 535 NHL games with four teams, posting a career-high 17 points in 69 games with the Flames last season.

His minor league career included a stop in Greensboro, where he played with Carolina goalie Kevin Weekes. He was also a minor league teammate of Carolina defenseman Aaron Ward.

Boughner said he is excited about coming to Carolina; so, apparently, are his four kids. "They've been jumping around all afternoon," Boughner said.

Why?

"They think we're going to the tropics."

To get Boughner, a native of Windsor, Ontario, the Canes traded one of their three fourth-round picks in 2004 -- New Jersey's fourth-round pick, acquired in a draft-day trade with Columbus.

Calgary would also receive a fifth-round pick in 2005 if the Canes re-sign Boughner or trade him to a team that re-signs him.

"He's known to be a serious competitor, and he also has a physical element to his game," Carolina coach Paul Maurice said. "He's not a fighter, but he can drop the gloves and take care of himself. He's an old-style, team defenseman."

The acquisition of Boughner gives the Canes seven NHL defensemen and, while it doesn't put an end to Carolina's negotiations with Markov, it certainly makes signing the restricted free agent less imperative.

The Canes acquired Markov from the Phoenix Coyotes on June 21 for former first-round picks David Tanabe and Igor Knyazev but Markov, a restricted free agent, quickly announced he had an offer from a Russian team.

On Monday, Rutherford said Markov had rejected the team's latest offer, believed to be a multi-year deal worth $2.5 million per season, and would look elsewhere for defensive help.

"It's what we've said since our offer was rejected," Rutherford said Wednesday. "We said we would move forward and that's what we've done. I believe Bob Boughner is a big addition to our team."

Markov's agent, Jay Grossman, said Wednesday that he remains open to more negotiations with the Canes, even as Markov is scheduled to leave next week for Russia to begin training with the team Lada Togliatti.

"There has been much said from the Carolina Hurricanes' standpoint but from our standpoint we have not closed the door on Carolina," Grossman said.

The two are different players -- Boughner a physical depth defenseman, Markov the potential No. 1 defenseman the Canes are lacking. But from Carolina's perspective, much of the money budgeted for Markov has now been allocated to Boughner.

The Canes have the rest of the summer to sign Markov -- until he plays a game for Lada Togliatti, at which point he would have to clear waivers -- but they would have to make another trade to free up salary space.

The Canes have now added Glen Wesley and Boughner to the woeful defense that finished out the season, leaving Ward, Niclas Wallin and Bruno St. Jacques fighting for two spots and paving the way for prospect Tomas Malec to play the entire season in the minors.

"When you play Carolina you're in for a tough, hard game. It's a nice situation to get into," Boughner said.

crazy4canes

07-17-2003, 08:22 AM

The tropics. LOL. :D I like what I'm reading and hearing about this guy. Sounds like JR made a wise move.

ausoleil

07-17-2003, 08:37 AM

I like this guy...I remember him from some games last year. We need to make folks pay for coming inside our blue, and this is the sort of player that will make it tougher for the opposition to set up shop and pound shots at Weekes. All too often last year that was the case.

but we seem to have no luck with offensive defensmen anyway

Our coaching staff has had the credo of "offense last" for some time. :sick:

Seriously, we've been a defensively oriented team, and having D guys like Ozzie play in deep with the forwards left one guy back and the whole team prone. Our system always relied on great discipline to maintain order.

Canesluver

07-17-2003, 08:38 AM

I got a kick out of seeing that in the paper, too.

Don't you love it when a player seems genuinely happy with being traded?

:D

hyena

07-17-2003, 08:51 AM

:eek2: wow. the more i read about this guy, the more excited i am! it sounds like we lucked out on this one -- or *gasp* JR turned a crappy situation (not signing markov) into gold.

i love the fact boogie (:D) was a captain and i love the fact he wants to come here. http://www.electrichyena.com/other/redthumb.gif

Canesluver

07-17-2003, 08:59 AM

Okay, I'm enjoying reading the bulletin board posts under the tsn.ca story about the Boughner trade. Here's some highlights:

"TRADE THE BOOGIE MAN?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

"Why?? why trade boughnour?? why?"

"good pick-up for the 'canes, boughner will provide toughness and leadership to a young team. "

"o my god!The Flames got ripped. The canes are doing good this offseason."

"Bobby, the Flames need you!! What a leader, what are the Flames thinking? Oh ya I forgot they gotta stay below average. Bad move"

"WHAT AN ABSOLUTE JOKE, HOW CAN YOU TRADE SOMEONE AS VALUABLE AS BOOGIE?"

and my favorite:

"Just when you think that the Flames are getting smart they trade their best d-man away for nothing...give your pumpkin head a shake" :D

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Seems like there's a lot of Flames fans crying in their beers. . . . :roll:

Guyute

07-17-2003, 09:04 AM

very good addition, imo. a stay at home defenseman, stand-up teammate that will not take sh.t from people. exactly what we needed. very surprised the flames dumped him.

did anyone hear the quick bomb dropped by JR on "Front Office Access" yesterday where he mentioned having a different system, and they'd have to see how the players would adjust. ???? This comment though, semeed much different than the "change" comment from last year, which had to do with off-ice changes, not gameplay changes.

of course Adam didn't follow that up. :roll: guess we'll see. (checks the calendar again)

hyena

07-17-2003, 09:14 AM

wow guyute, are you serious? :eek2: ok, ok, who is this imposter and what have they done with the real JR? :D

folgersnyourcup

07-17-2003, 09:26 AM

Yep, I heard that as well Guyute, and was surprised Adam didn't question him about that.... One thing Adam did question JR about was whether or not the payroll was higher than they would like it to be. JR said absolutely but that it was something that he felt had to be done after last year's awful season in order to avoid a repeat of last year's season and make another run at the finals.

Boughner sounds like he'll fit in wonderfully. I like that things are still up in the air with Markov though....perhaps he could fit into the team somehow during whenever the season following the '03-'04 season takes place.

Guyute

07-17-2003, 09:35 AM

yes, right now the team salary is about 39 mil. they normally try to keep it at 34/35. JR said PK was going to be losing some money, but it was something that had to be done. I guess we'll break 40 when getting the last few signed, unless there's a deal made.

VandyCane

07-17-2003, 10:00 AM

It is great to hear that he and his family are excited to come to Raleigh. As a parent I can tell you that having happy kids makes moves and job changes a lot easier to handle. Welcome to Carolina!

HockeyPat

07-17-2003, 10:18 AM

I've been reading the other sites as well and it's clear we got a great player. I always think JR does a great job and we are lucky to have him. Even if the Markov thing doesn't pan out, I'll stay loyal to this team because we are obviously trying to field a winning team.

Going back to some of JR statements at the end of last year, JR mentioned asking PK for more money to improve the D and mentioned players like Tanabe and Ward may not be coming back. I like Ward and the way he hits. But I would not be upset if we deal Ward, sign Markov and use Wallin as a 7th d-man and then let Malec develop at Lowell for a season.

How cool would it be if our defense looks like this next year?
#1 Wesley-Hill,
#2 Hedican-Markov, and
#3 Boughner-St. Jacques
with Wallin and possibly Malec as the extra.

I'm so excited I actually had trouble sleeping last night. I can not wait for the puck to drop. Oh boy! :spin:

jhardman

07-17-2003, 10:18 AM

I agree with the excepts from the tsn.ca feedback of the trade. Hilarious stuff. Usually th feedback from that site generally conists of the usual Leafs whining, but the comments are still a lot of fun to read.

The Boogieman will fit in here quite well. I like the approach of stabilizing the defense and making the forward and center competitions wide open in camp and exhibition season. Might be the right recipe to light a fire under a couple of guys and see if they can make the team. (Heerema comes to mind.)

And also, I just dated myself, but I thought the "I'm Your Boogie Man" lyrics quoted earlier in this thread were originally done by KC and the Sunshine Band. (this message poster was just struck by lightning and cannot, unfortunately, finish the thought)

Stormbringer

07-17-2003, 10:23 AM

And also, I just dated myself, but I thought the "I'm Your Boogie Man" lyrics quoted earlier in this thread were originally done by KC and the Sunshine Band. (this message poster was just struck by lightning and cannot, unfortunately, finish the thought)

Yes they did...but Rob Zombie and White Zombie did an (IMO) even more fun cover for The Crow 2 soundtrack. :)

cmw00

07-17-2003, 10:30 AM

I like that things are still up in the air with Markov though....perhaps he could fit into the team somehow during whenever the season following the '03-'04 season takes place.

Now I read somewhere that when/once/if markov plays his first game in Russia That we loose his rights? I guess technically once he plays in Russia he is out of the NHL even if its just temporary.

Tatfever

07-17-2003, 10:47 AM

Watching this guy a lot on Center Ice the past year, I think you made a great trade.
When you hear the word 'team player' he fit that title perfectly. He does not just drop the gloves for the sake of dropping them. If he does, there is a reason. Whether it is to help some one out, or to try and give the team a jumpstart, he will do it.
This guy will definitely be a fan favorite. I know there will be many happy fans down there in Carolina. I look forward to seeing him on Center Ice now without having to stay up late.

StormShaman

07-17-2003, 11:07 AM

did anyone hear the quick bomb dropped by JR on "Front Office Access" yesterday where he mentioned having a different system, and they'd have to see how the players would adjust. ????

I give it 2 weeks.

StormShaman

07-17-2003, 11:08 AM

Guyute

07-17-2003, 12:14 PM

Now I read somewhere that when/once/if markov plays his first game in Russia That we loose his rights? I guess technically once he plays in Russia he is out of the NHL even if its just temporary.

No. we do not lose his rights. we just lose the chance to sign him freely This Year. he is still "Canes property" for lack of a better term. Meaning if there is an NHL after the CBA, we still have first/best crack at signing him.

so, even if he plays in Russia this year... it doesn't mean he won't be a cane at some point.

stewart123

07-17-2003, 12:27 PM

Since Boughner is signed, I wonder if JR will now find a team that is willing to give Markov $3 million per year and just trade the rights on to them.

Guyute

07-17-2003, 12:33 PM

stewart123

07-17-2003, 01:00 PM

I'm certainly not upset with the trade. The organization had decided both Knyazev and Tanabe had no futures with the team, so they moved them elsewhere for a 4th rd pick and the possibility of signing Markov.

But all of the possibilities regarding his future status with the team are being based on a CBA that will not exist at the end of the season. All it takes is a small change to the definition of a defected player, and Markov will be an unrestricted free agent. A slight modification to the language regarding waivers, and Markov will be required to clear them regardless of whether he returns during the season or after it. I doubt that unrestricted free agency will be extended to 28 year olds, but it would not take much for a qualifying offer or arbitration requirement to put a player outside of the reach of the Canes usual budget, especially considering the number of deals that end this year.

It is certainly possible that Markov will spend one year in Russia at a 'substantial salary', and then agree to return to the NHL in the middle of that contract for what the Canes end up offering him. It is also possible that spending one or two years in a Russian league will either deteriorate his skills or his conditioning, give him time to suffer yet another serious injury, or make him become accustomed to being close to his home so that no offer will inspire him to return to the NHL.

It may be worthwhile to accept all these risks (especially with Boughner only under contract through this year) but when analyzing the possibilities regarding Markov, you have to make sure to keep them in mind.

hyena

07-17-2003, 02:33 PM

just a heads up for those of you near a radio -- adam gold just said that boogie will be interviewed 'sometime in the 5:00 hour'... :D

Guyute

07-17-2003, 02:38 PM

thanks for the heads' up :D

Shell

07-17-2003, 02:40 PM

Jeff O Rocks

07-17-2003, 03:08 PM

yep, thanks a ton Amanda! I would have missed this but will tune in on the way home! (you may have to leave early guyute to make sure you have me by 5:00 ;))

(edited to add how strange it is that I automatically called Hyena by her real name without thinking about it, and yet still called my husband by his handle LOL)

It is funny Shell...when I am talking to "normal" people about hockey, I call folks Rio, guyute and hyena and by other handles and they look at me like I am weird!! Can you imagine!!?? :D ;)

nccanes

07-17-2003, 04:23 PM

Okay, I'm a dumb*ss, and missed the interview (presuming it already happened). Recap from someone that did?

Thanks! :)

hyena

07-17-2003, 06:32 PM

whew, lets see...

adam asked bob when he found out he was traded and he said yesterday afternoon. that the flames GM called him first, and then he talked to JR and Mo. he said he had a really long phone conversation with marty gelinas -- that marty was telling him about raleigh, how great it was, how great the fans were, where to put his kids in school, etc.

adam asked if he felt any pressure to 'bang into some guys' because that's what we lacked on D last year. bob said no, not really, that he would go out and play his game the way he knows how.

adam asked if he was aware of the canes in the SCF two years ago and our awful season last year and he said yes. bob said that he had talked to guys on the team as well as JR, Mo, and Marty (:)) and came away with the belief that a lot of bad-luck things (like injury) contributed to what happened last year and that we were a better club than what our record indicated. he said that it was clear everybody still has a strong belief in this team and is determined to show that last year was a fluke. he said he was really looking forward to camp.

adam made the point that bob played with mario and jagr before, and now he would be playing with ronnie -- and bob said he thought it was great. that he was excited about playing with ronnie and thought he was a 'A#1 class guy'.

it was a nice interview. boogie must have said hundred times how happy and excited he was about coming here. he sounded like he meant it too -- not just saying it because it was expected of him. http://www.electrichyena.com/other/redthumb.gif

Shell

07-17-2003, 11:04 PM

good summary, you nailed it. I definitely came away liking the guy even more. seems very personable.

puckin_A

07-17-2003, 11:17 PM

It is funny Shell...when I am talking to "normal" people about hockey, I call folks Rio, guyute and hyena and by other handles and they look at me like I am weird!! Can you imagine!!??

I can relate to this, when someone comes up to me at a game and
yells PUCKIN_A!!!!....I think..............................why oh why did I come
up with such a name!!

I agree with the general consensus about Boogie. I like this guy. I think
he has a future to become a favorite.

AHHHHHH I REALLY MISS GELLY!!!!! :sad:

Canesluver

07-18-2003, 07:50 AM

check out his own home page.....and the pics. He is
definitely a very physical player.

http://www.boughner6.com/favorites.html

Just an FYI. I went to his Web page yesterday, and all his contact info etc, was all about the Flames.

I just pulled it up again today, 'cause I thought it'd be fun to send him a letter to welcome him to Raleigh. Well, he's updated his site. Now there's 'Canes logos everywhere and he's got his mailing address c/o the 'Canes!

I can't wait to meet him-- need his John Hancock on my sweater, of course!! ;)

Stormbringer

07-18-2003, 08:59 AM

caveman

07-18-2003, 09:51 AM

Compare our D v. the Cup run, though (lose Malik and Tanabe for Boughner and Bruno) and it still looks a pinch upgraded.
...

Considering your Avatar pic is of Malik... I thought I would temper down my enthusiasm. I think our D will be -nasty- this year -- in the good way. Hill, Ward, and Boughner can mess some people up, Hedican can put some _fear_ into them with his speed on a rush and Wesley can thread a perfect pass to a streaking forward, and both play excellent positional D.

But let's not forget though that just because Malik didn't throw his frame around like we wanted him to (not exactly Chara in that regard) that he is still a quality defenseman, and Vancouver is thrilled to have him.

Overall I would give our 2001-2002 D an A-/B+ rating and our D going into 2003-2004 a solid A.

The "upgraded a pinch" comment was more praising the way our D played on the Cup run than attempting to downplay how much I think of this year's group of guys.

Peace... this was my first thread on the site and I hope to stick around.

nccanes

07-18-2003, 09:58 AM

Peace... this was my first thread on the site and I hope to stick around.

Please do!! Don't apologize for saying "looks a pinch upgraded" - it's no crime to have an opinion and your post was no slam.

Welcome! :)

Stormbringer

07-18-2003, 10:00 AM

Welcome! :)

Seconding this...greetings and welcome to ze board Caveman! :)

http://www.missfantastic.com/miscellaneous/redcarpet.jpg

stewart123

07-18-2003, 10:04 AM

I definitely like the question/answer about Bertuzzi..

How do you handle a guy like Bertuzzi when he’s parked in front of your net?

Bertuzzi is too big of a guy to try and out muscle; so the two most important things I try and do are:

Tie up his stick – if you tie up his stick he can’t score.
Get body position – try and not let him get between me and the goaltender.

Sounds like a smart physical D-man.

Shell

07-18-2003, 10:06 AM

I will echo the above Caveman!! hell, you can totally not like Malik and you are still allowed here, just don't rip him as a person.
"..." is certainly not much of a worthwhile post so don't give it anymore thought.

welcome aboard

StormShaman

07-18-2003, 10:11 AM

Compare our D v. the Cup run, though (lose Malik and Tanabe for Boughner and Bruno) and it still looks a pinch upgraded.
...

Considering your Avatar pic is of Malik... I thought I would temper down my enthusiasm.[/b]

As well you should, considering the career season he had in Vancouver.

(what, me protective of my boy? Never!)

Guyute

07-18-2003, 10:13 AM

As well you should, considering the career season he had in Vancouver.

sorry, don't think so. first off, he was nice enough to say that he would (1 point to caveman)... secondly... nobody here needs to curb their enthusiasm for what they think is a positive change to this team.

point made I hope. now chill

cmw00

07-18-2003, 10:13 AM

Just looking at this guys website, he does a heck of alot of things for his community!

Hopefully he can continue some of those things down here. He seems generally happy about coming here to play, and whena player is happy witha trade the player will adjust quicker fit in better and get the positive chemistry buliding form the start!

I hope that we can keep him around for a few seasons!

Shell

07-18-2003, 10:15 AM

He already said he would temper down what he thought, lest he upset you. Please give the guy a break. Malik was great in Vancouver last year, but he wasn't that great here, in my opinion. He is just more suited to the western conference. Nobody has a wrong opinion here, please don't be condenscending.

--edited to add, sorry not beating up on you twice Cam, there were no replies when I hit my reply button

StormShaman

07-18-2003, 10:17 AM

point made I hope. now chill

:mad:

Fine.

guinevere

07-18-2003, 10:36 AM

Peace... this was my first thread on the site and I hope to stick around.

Please, please do. Your post wasn't antagonistic or demeaning - at least in my opinion. You have nothing to apologize for. Its nice to have a poster that considers how he expresses his opinion and doesn't jump on someone for having one-- she says glaring just a little at Storm Shaman...

Guin

nccanes

07-18-2003, 10:47 AM

it was a nice interview. boogie must have said hundred times how happy and excited he was about coming here. he sounded like he meant it too -- not just saying it because it was expected of him. http://www.electrichyena.com/other/redthumb.gif

Thanks Hyena!! I'm bummed I missed it.

I finally had a chance to look at his career stats and was wondering why he's bounced around a bit. Last year in Calgary, 2 years in Pittsburgh, 2 years in Nashville, 3 in Buffalo before that. Anyone know? Salary/organization issues?

In any event, sounds like a great addition to the Canes. Yipee for that! :D

HockeyPat

07-18-2003, 11:17 AM

He was definitely saying all the right things. I'm going to write him a letter to welcome him to the team. I love having character guys on the team.

BTW, his name is actually pronounced bog ner, I saw someone write Boog which I would pronounce like Boog Powell, ex-Baltimore first baseball and now a fine Bar-B-Que chef.
:smoke:

Shell

07-18-2003, 11:57 AM

Thanks Hyena!! I'm bummed I missed it.

You can listen to it (as well as JR's last interview) over at 850thebuzz.com. Just look down on the right on the main page.

nccanes

07-18-2003, 12:09 PM

Thanks Shell. I'm always glad when you remind me of this - for some reason I always forget. And the last time I looked for something on the Buzz website, I never could find it.

:D

Shell

07-18-2003, 12:11 PM

They only keep up a couple at a time and then delete them instead of archiving them. :roll:

puckin_A

07-18-2003, 02:33 PM

Its nice to have a poster that considers how he expresses his opinion and doesn't jump on someone for having one-- she says glaring just a little at Storm Shaman...

sorry CAM! But I have *snicker* at this one.

StormShaman

07-18-2003, 02:50 PM

caveman

07-18-2003, 03:58 PM

he doesn't want to. Markov is the #1 defenseman the canes have been looking for. (I've watched him play often, and I agree with JR on this fact. the kid is very good.)

we got close to getting him. it's still possible, and even if he starts in russia, there's nobody saying he'd spend the entire year there...

we didn't get nothing for that trade. we got someone to take tanabe, and we have the rights to one of the best young dmen in the league.

In the last 850 "The Buzz" interview I read from JR concerning Markov, when asked point blank "If Markov's agent now shows up and says that he accepts your offer, what do you do?" JR replied, "All we are obligated to accept is Markov's acceptance of Phoenix's qualifying 1.6M offer." and went on to compare Markov's signing with that of Keith Primeau's.

We can all hope that Markov's holdout is as beneficial to the Canes as Keith Primeau's was (Rod Brind'Amour!!). So bring that up with the next people to complain that we traded Tanabe and Knyazev for "nothing".

As JR said, "We have Markov's rights for a long time." And that's not a bad commodity to have.

AbNormal27

07-18-2003, 06:56 PM

In the last 850 "The Buzz" interview I read from JR concerning Markov, when asked point blank "If Markov's agent now shows up and says that he accepts your offer, what do you do?" JR replied, "All we are obligated to accept is Markov's acceptance of Phoenix's qualifying 1.6M offer." and went on to compare Markov's signing with that of Keith Primeau's.

We can all hope that Markov's holdout is as beneficial to the Canes as Keith Primeau's was (Rod Brind'Amour!!). So bring that up with the next people to complain that we traded Tanabe and Knyazev for "nothing".

As JR said, "We have Markov's rights for a long time." And that's not a bad commodity to have.

DAMN! Score another one for JR! With the acquisition of Boughner, who appears to be VERY genuinely EXCITED about playing for us, and this interview that JR just gave, I think that we have something going for us that some teams (NYR, are you listening?) don't have. We have leverage on player who think they can use the system to get morfe money and players who really don't care about the money and just want to play. It's just too bad I don't posess the talent (I have the experience) to get THIS kind of chance. Anyone think Fedorov is worth the money after learning more about a guy Like Mr. Boughner?

Aaryn