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caneshockeychick
11-06-2007, 03:11 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308697,00.html

Fate of University of North Dakota 'Fighting Sioux' Logo Threatens Hockey Arena

Tuesday , November 06, 2007
By Melissa Underwood


A $104 million dollar hockey arena may be forced to remove hundreds of images of "The Fighting Sioux," the logo and nickname of the University of North Dakota for more than 70 years, if officials can't reach an agreement with tribal councils.

The university, according to a settlement last month of a lawsuit against the National Collegiate Athletic Association, has three years to negotiate an agreement with two North Dakota Sioux tribes — Spirit Lake and Standing Rock — to receive approval for the continued use of the "Sioux" name and logo.

If an agreement is not reached by 2011, the university will be forced to find a new name and logo.

The hockey arena has hundreds of "Fighting Sioux" logos laid into its granite flooring, imprinted on seating and etched on doors and other areas. If an agreement cannot be reached, they would all have to be replaced.

The Ralph Engelstad Arena is the home of the "Fighting Sioux" men's and women's hockey teams, which have won seven NCAA Division I championships, the last one in 2000.

The hockey teams sell out the arena's 12,000 seats for every game and have no plan if the university fails to reach an agreement with the tribes. The arena has thousands of images of the Fighting Sioux logo, but the settlement requires only some of them to be removed.

"Hockey will forever be played at the Ralph Engelstad Arena, but no plan has been put in place if we have to potentially remove logos in the facility," said Chris Semrau, a spokesman for the arena, adding that the lawsuit doesn't address who would pay for the removal of the images.

The university, with 12,559 students, including more than 400 Native Americans, wants to keep "The Fighting Sioux" because it represents tradition, pride and strength, said Peter Johnson, a university spokesman.
Hockey remains important to the university and the state, which doesn't have any major professional sports teams.

"It's an interest that transcends the school itself," Johnson said.
The University of North Dakota in 2005 landed on a list of 18 schools in violation of an NCAA policy that prohibits the display of Native American names or images deemed hostile or abusive on team uniforms and items at NCAA championship events.

University officials appealed being placed on the list. In 2006, the NCAA rejected the appeal and kept the university on the violation list. The university then sued the NCAA.

"The university has indicated that it intends to use the current name and logo with the utmost respect and dignity, and only for so long as it may do so with the support of the Native American community," according to a statement by the NCAA, the governing body of collegiate sports.
The organization said it "believes that the time has come to retire Native American imagery in college sports."

North Dakota University athletic teams have used an American Indian head as their symbol since the early 1930s; it says the "Fighting Sioux" name honors the first inhabitants of the region and some tribes in the state.
The arena, which opened in 2001, is a privately-owned facility that rents out to the university. The university will take over rights to the building in 2031.

"There's a potential impact down the road but nothing that is decided definite," Semrau said. "We would need to change certain things to comply with NCAA if UND doesn't get a resolution from the tribes."
The university's logo carries a long tradition that honors the Sioux, Semrau said.

"We support the Sioux logo because of the great opportunities that exist between the university and Native Americans in the region," he said. "There's a great tradition that has been built with many potential opportunities to come."

Jay Fisher, president of Student Government at UND, said students are divided over the issue, but he personally supports keeping the logo.
The settlement was a victory that put the university in a better position to negotiate an agreement with the tribal councils, but it's a difficult fight, said Fisher, a senior majoring in economics.

"It's cost a heavy toll keeping it around," he said.

StormShaman
11-06-2007, 07:33 PM
When the NCAA goes after FSU for being called the Seminoles, then they'll have a leg to stand on here.

puck_it
11-06-2007, 07:52 PM
NCAA hasnt told FSU to stop because the FSU Seminoles have the permission of the Seminole tribe. So, there is already precedent. Hence why the Fighting Sioux are being allowed seek permission.

(originally, they had asked them when they came out with the big list, and FSU won its appeal with the support and good graces of the Seminole tribe... the Illini are not so fortunate)

StormShaman
11-06-2007, 08:09 PM
NCAA hasnt told FSU to stop because the FSU Seminoles have the permission of the Seminole tribe. So, there is already precedent. Hence why the Fighting Sioux are being allowed seek permission.

No, really? I was not aware of that! :roll:

Please.

UND had an Official Blessing--the only problem is that the only band that bothered to even reply to their requests for same is a small one with little political pull: the Spirit Lake Tribe. The NCAA isn't interested in hearing from them, even though tribal officials have repeatedly sent mail to them saying "it's cool, leave UND alone please".

puck_it
11-06-2007, 08:16 PM
well, you acted like the NCAA didnt even try with FSU. :roll:

see i can use smilies we removed, too.

Caniac
11-06-2007, 08:19 PM
:butt: to both of you.

;)

fightingsioux
11-12-2007, 05:33 AM
Double post. Sorry.

fightingsioux
11-12-2007, 05:35 AM
I had an American Indian (he preferred Indian) professor in college. We asked him what he thought of the name and logo. He said if a child is at a sporting event and asks an adult what is a Sioux or Seminole or...then at least we have not been forgotten and put into a melting pot.

The FSU situation was resolved quicker for a few reasons one of which is the Seminoles is represented as one tribe. The Sioux nation has multiple tribes and leaders.

Think the student gov't leader is wrong about negotiating what I read, in alumnus enews letters, is that the school is not allowed to talk to the tribes. A lot of tribal leaders thought the school was trying to buy people with scolarship money. The resolution made it a tribe decision and not the schools. Probably the best choice however it makes me think that the name and logo is gone in three years. :cry:

IMO this thread should have gone under college sports as UND competes in a lot more than just hockey.