Hustler Publisher Files in Calif. Recall [Archive]

Shell

08-01-2003, 02:50 PM

:crazy:

Hustler Publisher Files in Calif. Recall
2 hours, 50 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES - Porn king Larry Flynt wants to rule California.

The Hustler magazine publisher has filed initial paperwork to run in the gubernatorial recall election and says he may spend a large amount of his own money if people take his candidacy seriously.

The registered Democrat, civil libertarian and free speech advocate said he'd solve California's budget woes by expanding slot machine gambling. His holdings include several casinos.

"California is the most progressive state in the union," said Flynt, 61. "I don't think anyone here will have a problem with a smut peddler as governor."

Flynt had not yet paid the $3,500 filing fee by Thursday afternoon, according to the California Secretary of State Web site.

More than 250 people statewide have taken the very first step of filing the paperwork with county registrars, according to the site. Other quirky candidates include several men named Gray Davis and Angelyne, the blonde, buxom artist made famous by her depiction on numerous Hollywood billboards.

To get on the Oct. 7 ballot, declared candidates also need at least 65 signatures from voters registered in their party.

SouthernHockeyChick

08-01-2003, 03:17 PM

LOL. Hell, I might vote for him (minus the gambling thing) if I could. I hate Hustler but it has a right to exist and Flynt is one of the best champions for free-speech of the 20th century, IMO. Anyway, it can't be worse than Arnold. :roll:

Guyute

08-01-2003, 03:30 PM

Flynt is one of the best champions for free-speech of the 20th century, IMO.

Couldn't agree more. pretty amusing though. sure hope he at least tries.

raleighcanesfan

08-01-2003, 06:05 PM

Can you see the headlines with both him and Arnold both running.

California sure is a joke!

ontheboards

08-01-2003, 06:11 PM

AH-NOLD has decided not to run-- has pulled his name out of consideration...Larry Flint would have to prove more to me than he can support free speech for me to vote for him-- and it has nothing to do with his affiliation with Hustler--- I can't see Flint functioning as a public servant anymore than George W. Bush believes he is an elected public servant

Jeff O Rocks

08-02-2003, 07:22 AM

If he gets in, the governor's mansion may well be the government form of the "Playboy Mansion". :D I know you men are already daydreaming about that right? ;)

rkbrasse

08-02-2003, 08:48 AM

Bush is an elected official.

Shell

08-02-2003, 11:11 AM

he wouldn't be if this were a democracy

Jeff O Rocks

08-02-2003, 01:23 PM

Bush is an elected official.

ontheboards may have been being a little facetious...maybe not...in my opinion Bush wasn't elected cause I still think Gore got more votes. Sorry I don't want to piss anybody off! :roll:

ontheboards

08-02-2003, 03:30 PM

rkbrasse wrote: Bush is an elected official

I didn't realize the Supreme Court elected officials...

JaroFan

08-02-2003, 04:38 PM

Looks like Gore may put his hat in for 2004. Maybe this time he can win his own home state.

SouthernCaniac

08-02-2003, 09:13 PM

SouthernHockeyChick

08-02-2003, 09:30 PM

LMAO. You guys rock! Especially the democrats. :beatup: ;)

Shell

08-03-2003, 12:23 AM

I thought he announced he wasn't running? As for politics, I've learned its best to keep those opinions to yourself. For instance, it would be inflammatory for me to state that Bush is an idiot who was streeeetching his abilities back when he was a baseball team owner. I mean, really, as long as we all take our souls to the polls on election day, its all good. No matter who we vote for. As long as its a democrat. Just kidding. Not really.

First of all, thanks for the laugh :D Second of all, I KNOW it is better if I keep quiet about religion, politics, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.. but god help me, for the life of me I cannot!

JaroFan

08-03-2003, 07:38 AM

I do agree with you, I actually wasn't stating an opinion. I make fun of all political candidates. I don't know if he's announced it yet, I saw a blip on MSNBC yesterday with his face and "Gore in 2004" below it.

Just to add to your funny SouthernCaniac, if everyone should vote for all Democrats...including Jerry Springer? :sick:

SouthernCaniac

08-03-2003, 07:47 PM

I read a letter to the editor the other day from someone who had Jerry's back. They were pretty indignant that his ability was being called into question. Apparently he hasn't spent his entire life watching mothers who slept with their daughter's golden retriever going at it. :spin: And Shell, I feel your pain, baby. Oh, the spots my mouth has gotten me into. (get your minds out of the gutter, people)

Shell

08-03-2003, 09:30 PM

and now Gallagher joins in...

Hundreds sign up to run in election
Porn king Larry Flynt, comedian Gallagher among those who enter as race develops circus-like atmosphere
By Josh Richman, STAFF WRITER Oakland Tribune

California's gubernatorial recall election reached circus-like caliber as the week drew to a close Friday, with a watermelon-smashing comedian and a pornography mogul throwing their hats into the ever-widening ring even as Democrats started edging away from embattled Gov. Gray Davis.
By Friday's end, the Secretary of State's office knew of 296 people who had taken out candidacy papers for the race; 141 of those had been officially reported to the state, and the other 155 were based on unofficial reports. The Bay Area's totals stood at 23 in Alameda County, 12 in Contra Costa, eight in San Mateo and three in San Joaquin.

Rumor has it U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., will visit the Bay Area next week to stump for Davis; former President Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore are expected to be here before long, too. Yet cracks continued to appear Friday in the facade of Democratic unity.

SouthernHockeyChick

08-03-2003, 09:39 PM

Jeff O Rocks

08-04-2003, 06:37 AM

Gallagher? If he wins will all the furniture in the governor's mansion be replaced with giant couchs? Will there be guys taking sledgehammers to watermelons at the polls? Wear your rain slickers! :roll:

I can see it now, he will start all of his State of the State addresses with watermelon busting!! ;) :D

1Irbegirlforever

08-04-2003, 11:12 AM

Bush is an elected official.

Totally agree. :)

Shell

08-06-2003, 08:14 PM

it's a helluva ballot they got going on there!

Schwarzenegger Announces Gubernatorial Bid
Arnold Schwarzenegger Announces Gubernatorial Bid in California's Recall Election
The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES Aug. 6 —
Arnold Schwarzenegger ended the suspense Wednesday and said he would run in California's recall election, awarding Republicans his marquee value in their campaign to oust Gov. Gray Davis. Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein ruled out a run, labeling the election "more and more like a carnival every day."

Schwarzenegger's announcement came as a surprise; advisers had said in recent days that was leaning against running in the Oct. 7 election.

Schwarzenegger made his announcement during a taping of "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno."

"The politicians are fiddling, fumbling and failing," he said. "The man that is failing the people more than anyone is Gray Davis. He is failing them terribly, and this is why he needs to be recalled and this is why I am going to run for governor."

Political commentator Arianna Huffington declared Wednesday that she would run as an independent, one of the only other well-known names in the race so far. Former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, a moderate Republican, has said he would enter the race if Schwarzenegger did not.

Feinstein's decision not to run gave a big boost to Davis, while frustrating some Democrats who wanted her to run to ensure the governorship would remain in the party's hands if Davis lost.

"After thinking a great deal about this recall, its implications for the future, and its misguided nature, I have decided that I will not place my name on the ballot," Feinstein said in a statement.

"I deeply believe the recall is a terrible mistake and will bring to the depth and breadth of California instability and uncertainty, which will be detrimental to our economic recovery and decision-making," she said.

JaroFan

08-07-2003, 05:58 AM

I can't belive they're not going to have some sort of run-off first. It is going to be a crazy election - someone with 10% of the vote will win!

Shell

08-07-2003, 01:10 PM

No kidding Jaro! Hundreds of people on the ballot..

you can add Gary Coleman (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=499&ncid=716&e=8&u=/ap/20030807/ap_on_en_ot/calif__recall_coleman) to the list as well :roll:

Shell

08-11-2003, 10:23 AM

and a porn queen as well

"Wacky California" puts on electoral circus
Fri Aug 8,10:33 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (AFP) - From movie hero, to porn king, to fallen child star, the odd procession of characters lining up for the governorship of California is a monument to the free-wheeling state's wacky reputation.

In the state known for nurturing alternative lifestyles and for pioneering everything from roller-skates to freeways and movie celebrity, almost anyone can run for office. And they do.

Armed only with the signatures of 65 friends and a 3,500-dollar fee, residents of the most populous and culturally diverse US state can register as candidates for the October 7 recall polls aimed at unseating its governor.

Some 500 potential candidates, led by action hero Arnold Schwarzenegger, have taken out application forms to replace Governor Gray Davis. They have until Saturday to return the forms to qualify for the historic vote.

They include a smut peddler, a porn actress, a pink-haired billboard queen who spends thousands of dollars pasting her image across Los Angeles and a one-time child star who works as a security guard after multiple brushes with the law.

Also making up the motley political quilt are a young female software engineer who conducts her campaign with skimpy underwear emblazoned with her name and a smoker who wants to liberate his fellows from the oppression of California's smoking bans.

"This is a show worthy of a three-ring circus," said University of Southern California political analyst Sherry Be***** Jeffe.

The recall vote has gripped worldwide attention since "The Terminator" entered the race.

Television stations are broadcasting their images of the campaign with slogans running beneath saying, "California's Crazy Recall" or "Craziness in California."

The so-called joke candidates are garnering as much attention as serious politicians.

Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt, 61, was mum Friday on whether he would go through with his intended run as a Democrat and to liberalize gambling laws if voters can accept the world's best-known porn mogul as their leader.

And X-rated blonde movie star Mary Carey, 22, has captured the imaginations of lots of Californian men by promising to make lap dances tax deductible and to swap guns for sex videos to reduce violent crime -- if she is elected.

"My goal is to bring happiness to the streets of California. If more guys had orgasms, they'd be less violent."
Then there's pink-haired billboard star Angelyne, who says Californians need a change from "Gray" to pink, wants to fix the state's potholes to prevent damage to her pink Corvette sports car.

Most politicians spread their names around on T-shirts, but gubernatorial hopeful Georgy Russell, 26, is probably the first to market herself with a sexy, 14-dollar thong bearing the words: "Georgy for Governor."

But after catching their attention, the San Francisco-area software wizard does have a more serious message for voters: Go for the underdog who is not a self-serving politician.

Then there's the champion of California's estimated four million smokers, 42-year-old Ned Roscoe, who has already qualified for the ballot. He believes the state's tough rules against cigarettes should be eased up.

"Smokers are tired of being second-class citizens," said the resident of the Napa Valley. He owns a nationwide chain of 330 stores called Cigarettes Cheaper!

"They have a clear interest in voting for a smoker candidate," he said adding that he could get into office if just one in four smokers in the state of 35 million people vote for him.

Professional matchmaker Richard Gosse, 54, says he will be elected governor if all single Californians -- 34 percent of the electorate -- vote for him and eliminating discrimination against singles at tax time.

Former "Diff'rent Strokes" TV child actor Gary Coleman is hoping to return to the spotlight in the vote after being sponsored by a San Francisco-area newspaper to run on "fun ticket."

"Where else but in California can you have so much fun exercising your opportunity to participate in the electoral process," said the security guard.

"If Italy can do it (with former porn star and MP Cioccolina), why can't we?"
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030809/capt.sge.ozl65.090803023323.photo00.default-275x384.jpg

rkbrasse

08-11-2003, 10:44 AM

he wouldn't be if this were a democracy

We are not a pure Democracy. I think that would be huge mistake. That basically would mean California and New York would run the country and the less populated states would have little to no voice. What is good for those two states may not be what North Carolina needs. A popular vote is not always the best answer. Regardless of where your political loyalties lie.

Shell

08-11-2003, 10:52 AM

SouthernHockeyChick

08-11-2003, 11:06 AM

I agree to a point, but I also know it is silly of me to even go to the polls each time because regardless of who *I* vote for, every single NC vote is going to the republicans and that is just wrong IMO. We have 14 electoral votes that all went to Bush even though 43.2% of the state voted for Gore. Do you think that is right?
That is exactly the problem Shell, IMO. If 43% of NC's popular votes went to Gore then 43% of it's electoral votes should go to Gore. I've yet to hear a good reason why that isn't the way it works. Anyone want to enlighten me?

rkbrasse

08-11-2003, 11:43 AM

That is exactly the problem Shell, IMO. If 43% of NC's popular votes went to Gore then 43% of it's electoral votes should go to Gore. I've yet to hear a good reason why that isn't the way it works. Anyone want to enlighten me?
I'm not sure that would have mattered. There are curcumstances where that might come into play but I would think they would be rare.

I agree to a point, but I also know it is silly of me to even go to the polls each time because regardless of who *I* vote for, every single NC vote is going to the republicans and that is just wrong IMO. We have 14 electoral votes that all went to Bush even though 43.2% of the state voted for Gore. Do you think that is right?

Well if you think like that, then your right. Your candidates will never win and the Republicans will be laughing at you. No offense intended here, but I believe there was too much blood spilled for me to stay home on election day and not vote. To many people fought way to hard to perserve our right to do so I'm going to vote, come hell or highwater.

As far as the vote percentage goes, where do you make that cut off? At some point the cut off from popular vote to electorial college has to be made. Right now the distinction is at the state level. Would I be opposed to district level. Not at all. It complicates the process though and something tells me that is why it is done the way it is.

Now just so you know I'm trying to hit this on a non-skewed viewpoint and it is tough I'm sure from both sides, so if I offend it is not my intention. And I certianly value your oppinions on the system. I know polotics is a tough subject to discuss without getting a little hot.

Shell

08-11-2003, 01:38 PM

Nicely written and I am not offended.

Don't get me wrong, I will never quit voting even though the chance of my candidate getting elected in my lifetime is slim to none (I don't like Gore either, I vote Libertarian).. it just really bothers me that our votes have no impact. I think the electoral college was probably a great thing when introduced hundreds of years ago but it has not been updated and is no longer necessary IMO.. the whole point of it was because there were 4 million people in the U.S. with no major communication mechanism.. there were no political campaigns and our forefathers did not want the people voting for candidates when they didn't know who they even were.. This is no longer the case obviously.

As SHC said, I don't see why 100% of the states electoral vote goes to the same person. Take NC in 2000 for example.. we have 14 electoral votes. 56.03% of the people voted for Bush, so he should have gotten 56.03% of the electoral vote - or 8 of them. Gore gets 6. Why wouldn't that work?

Just my views, and I could be a nutbag, I've not taken any political classes since high school (though I did get a 100 in government then)

Jillsdad

08-11-2003, 01:47 PM

Being a conservative and a Bush supporter, I had no problem with the way NC's electoral votes went, however I can see where you might feel disenfranchised by the fact that it is a winner take all situation. If you look at the map of the United States broken down into individual counties by who won the county you would have thought it was a Bush landslide. However, because Gore won the cities of New York and Los Angeles he actually won the popular vote. Although I agree the Electoral college needs some tweaking it does prevent New York And California from choosing our president every four years. Just my 2 cents.

Jillsdad

08-11-2003, 02:00 PM

To answer your question Shell, the votes go that way in order to force a candidate to concentrate on more than just the main city of whateve state it may be. I will use the NY example again. Just say for example candidate x wins every precinct in NY except for NYC and candidate Y wins NYC, the way that NY's population breaks down, candiadte y 50 percent of the votes for winning one city. Not really fair for the rest of New Yorkers who make up the majority of the state as far as area. So really it is to make candidates concentrate on more than just the major cities.

SouthernHockeyChick

08-11-2003, 02:20 PM

Shell

08-11-2003, 02:25 PM

personally I think we should do away with the whole thing and go with the popular vote. Everyone's vote counts for the same regardless of whether they are in the boondocks of West Virginia or if they are in Soho. Why is that not a good idea?

Jillsdad

08-11-2003, 02:35 PM

Shell, see above post. If that was the case a candidate would focus on NY, LA Chicago, SanFran, Dallas and win the election. The poor yokels who dont live in one of the 7 largest cities would not matter one iota to any candidate because you win the big 7 or 8 or nine cities , you win the election regardless. Screw what the people in ND or SD or Montana think, there are not enough people in thse states to matter would be the mindset of most candidates.

Jillsdad

08-11-2003, 02:38 PM

Regardless of all this, I hope Arnold Schwarzenegger wins CA. Everything I have read about him seems to be positive even from news outlets that are decidedly anti-republican.

Shell

08-11-2003, 02:51 PM

oh, I don't know.. just because a candidate doesn't come campaigning in my town doesn't mean I won't vote? There are more people in the boondocks combined than in LA and NY. Personally my vote involves a lot of research and I place 0 relevance into campaigning. I do realize a lot of people vote on name recognition alone though.

I have also seen negative stuff on Arnie already..

i.e.,
Elsewhere, opponents of Schwarzenegger have launched a scorched search for at least one video which purports to show the star openly fondling a reporter's breast while he was on a promotional tour in England or the movie 6TH DAY.

TV reporter Anna Richardson branded Arnold as "totally unprofessional" after he pawed her breast and patted her bottom during an interview. Millions watched as he repeatedly squeezed her on live morning TV, according to press reports.

In a 2002 interview with the WEEKLY STANDARD, Schwarzenegger said it was all lies. "No one that has been around me would believe that a woman would be complaining about me holding her," he cracked.

Turbulence

08-11-2003, 02:58 PM

And he has made no stance on the issues...he's been dodging them left and right.
For example, on Today last week, when asked a question (concerning government welfare programs perhaps? I don't recall) Arnold kept saying that he couldn't hear anything through his earpiece. Today show producers say there was no audio problem. It seems like he's trying to dodge the issues...My support goes to Gary Coleman unless Ahnold can make known his stance on the issues...

Shell

08-11-2003, 03:01 PM

For real Turby?? Gary has so many mental issues though? The only issue I have seen Arnie comment on so far is immigration (from today's Washington Post):

Schwarzenegger Opposed Immigrant Services
By SANDRA MARQUEZ
The Associated Press
Monday, August 11, 2003; 10:11 AM

LOS ANGELES - Actor Arnold Schwarzenegger voted for a 1994 ballot measure to deny social services to illegal immigrants, his campaign said Sunday - offering the first glimpse of the actor's stand on a major policy issue.

The Republican has promoted himself as the candidate in California's gubernatorial recall who can best appeal to the state's politically and ethnically diverse electorate.

But Democrats were quick to jump on the disclosure as a chink in the action hero's armor.

The GOP-backed Proposition 187 to deny health care and public education to illegal immigrants was passed by a wide margin, although it was eventually ruled unconstitutional. It remains a contentious issue and a litmus test for some voters, particularly Hispanics, to gauge whether a candidate is immigrant-friendly.

Schwarzenegger campaign manager George Gorton said the Austrian-born actor's vote for the measure would not prevent him from reaching out to all voters.

"He has a lot of empathy for people who have come here for a better way of living, whether they have gotten here legally or illegally," Gorton said. "But he definitely feels that people should get here legally."

Gorton said Hispanics were among the strongest supporters of Proposition 49, a ballot measure Schwarzenegger successfully campaigned for last year aimed at dedicating as much as $550 million annually to before- and after-school programs.

Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Art Torres, chairman of the California Democratic Party, slammed Schwarzenegger for his decision to appoint former Gov. Pete Wilson, the architect of Proposition 187, as chairman of his new campaign.

"There's a famous phrase in our community, and that is, judge a person by the friends that he keeps," Torres said. "And unfortunately, his new chairman, Governor Wilson, supported 187 furiously against immigrants and Latinos."

The issue was one of the first Schwarzenegger's campaign has publicly addressed, discussing the vote in response to a reporter's inquiry.

Democratic Gov. Gray Davis, who is trying to survive the recall, and Schwarzenegger's Republican rivals have criticized him for speaking mostly in generalities since announcing his candidacy Wednesday.

Davis opposed Proposition 187.

Turbulence

08-11-2003, 03:05 PM

For real Turby??
Heck no! I was being facetious. :beatup:
If I had to support someone in this race it would be the Lieutenant Governor who's running...I hear he's a solid choice. Still, I don't think Davis has done enough wrong to be ousted from office. Seems like guys like Issa are just peeved that they lost an election.

Eh, I'm just glad it isn't happening here.

Jillsdad

08-11-2003, 03:15 PM

Well I do not claim to know all the ins and outs of why he is being recalled but to get a recall to go through you must have at least one million verified signatures, and if the Lieutenant Governor who is supposed to be Davis' right hand man is running then it seems to me that something stinks in Denmark with the Gov. As far as Arnold goes, the man gave 4.2 million dollars to charity in 2001 alone including a charity for the mentally handicapped. That is 16% of what he made that year. He also paid 15.2 million in federal taxes between 2000 and 2001 and 4 million in Ca state taxes. Our illustrious ambulance chasing senator from NC can't even pay property tax on a Buick he owns on time. And he wants to be president!!!!! Sorry got off on a little tangent, I will be quiet now.

Jillsdad

08-11-2003, 03:24 PM

How do the rest of the posters feel about that California amendment allowing ILLEGAL immigrants to have health care and public education. I for one personally feel if a person is here illegally whether they be Hispanic, Arab, British, French or Zimbabwean then they should have no rights in this country and should be deported. Why should our tax dollars pay for someone who is in this country illegally. Hell we can't even afford health care ourselves much less afford to pay or someone who should not even be in this country. I wonder if any of the 9-11 hijackers were seen at a hospital for any illnesses or injuries, and if so who paid for it? Yes I sound mean and uncaring but it is a question to ponder. If we can't afford health care ourselves and schools are overcrowded and teachers underpaid, then why work them that much harder teaching students and taking care of sick people who entered this country illegally while citizens of this land are put to the back burner? Sorry for getting OT!!!!!!

JaroFan

08-11-2003, 03:29 PM

Shell

08-11-2003, 03:40 PM

I definitely agree with you on that JillsDad!

Turbulence

08-11-2003, 03:40 PM

If they are here illegally and we know about it they should be deported. That's the meaning of illegal-let them go back to wherever they came from and let them get a green card or seek asylum.
And we're giving them aid, letting them use public resources while they don't pay any taxes? That's lunacy!
I'm all for relaxing immigration laws because, face it, Hispanic folks are going to be here either way. The purpose of this country is to grant people asylum from oppresive, poverty-stricken places. We should let them be a part of our community...but at least make them legal somehow...

People who hold green cards must pay US taxes, correct? Give these illegal aliens a green card and make them pay taxes...then they can use public programs, etc. And if they don't, deport them.

CaniacManiac

08-11-2003, 04:00 PM

If someone is working in this country, their employer is obligated to take out social security and medicare at a flat rate for everyone(as long the worker isn't being paid 'under the table' which, of course, is illegal). As far as income taxes go, they are based upon the number of exemptions a person claims and someone can claim enough so that no taxes are deducted from their pay checks. That doesn't mean that they don't have taxes due at the end of the year, just that they can 'play games' so that they aren't deducted on their paychecks. Of course if they claim 10 or more exemptions their employer is supposed to send that info to the IRS so that it sends up a flag that something may be amiss and it increases the chance of being audited. So, in essence, even if someone is in this country illegally and has a phony green card or social securiy card and they are being paid lthrough normal payroll means, social security and medicare are coming out of their checks.

That's my payroll lecture for today.

CaniacManiac

rkbrasse

08-11-2003, 04:05 PM

Would have mattered in what? You mean the last election? Why can't anyone ever bring up the electoral college anymore without people thinking you are just a disgruntled Gore supporter? I've been railing on the electoral college in it's current form for years....it has nothing to do with Bush vs. Gore.

Sorry it was not my intent to label you as anything. But the last election brought this issue to the forefront in the media and the turn this thread took did stem from a shot at the president and the last election. Like I siad I wasn't intending to upset anyone and I must say I'm surprised that the posts haven't denegrated yet.

I've discussed this with others previous to the last presidential election and I still believe that the electoral college needs to be there. Could it use some tweaking, probably. I think the initial reason for it's inception was to prevent any one section of the country to dominate the rest of the states. I think that is the right way to do it. I really don't want Cali or NY to say what is right for this state as I'm sure they don't want us saying what is right for thiers.

Jillsdad

08-11-2003, 04:13 PM

While you are correct about payroll taxes and the sort, CaniacManiac, how many illegal aliens do you think are getting paid above the table. Just look at the migrant worker population in good ol NC. I would venture to bet that very few if any are paid through above the table means. I believe these are the types of workers that the California prop was addressing.

CaniacManiac

08-11-2003, 04:59 PM

Actually quite a few of them are. I have done payrolls for a bunch of restaurants and there are many that the employers 'know' have phony paperwork but since they have the required I-9 documents, they can hire them and do hire them. They hire them because they are hard workers that want to work and they usually do a good job. And contrary to what most people think, they pay them the same wages (at least minimum wage) as they pay legals for the same job. And these are also jobs that most Americans are "too good" to take like dishwashers. I'm sure that there are also quite a few that are paid under the table but I know for a fact that many employers have illegal aliens on their payrolls that have all of the required, but phony, paperwork to work in this country.

CaniacManiac

Jillsdad

08-11-2003, 05:14 PM

I appreciate the info. I was not aware of the fact that many of the illegal aliens were in fact in legitimate jobs and having payroll taxes taken out. If they are haveing taxes taken out then they should be eligible for health care and education benefits. As for hard workers that they are. Too bad some americans don't work that hard.

SouthernHockeyChick

08-11-2003, 06:53 PM

Sorry it was not my intent to label you as anything. But the last election brought this issue to the forefront in the media and the turn this thread took did stem from a shot at the president and the last election. Like I siad I wasn't intending to upset anyone and I must say I'm surprised that the posts haven't denegrated yet.

No need to apologize. I realize I may have sounded testy there but that really wasn't my intent. :)

Shell

08-12-2003, 11:57 AM

BTW, here is a picture of the "pink woman" who is also running..

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030811/i/1060641355.2952814682.jpg

She looks like a politician to me for sure! :roll:

Jeff O Rocks

08-12-2003, 11:58 AM

She looks like a politician to me for sure! :roll:

She looks like a woman that a politician would be caught with and end his career!! :D ;)

PINK Woman?? LMAO

rons#1fan

08-12-2003, 11:59 AM

I bet she has a lot of "backing"....sorry about that... :sad:

Jeff O Rocks

08-12-2003, 12:00 PM

I bet she has a lot of "backing"....sorry about that... :sad:

and a heck of a lot of "fronting" too!! :laugh:

SouthernHockeyChick

08-12-2003, 12:03 PM

Anyone who borrows her shoes and her car from Barbie (the Mattel toy not the Storm Squad member) should not be allowed to run for political office. :roll:

Stormbringer

08-12-2003, 12:10 PM

Man...and I thought it was getting bad enough with Gallagher and Gary Coleman joining the race. To quote Ricky Ricardo, ai-yi-yi-yi-yi... :eek2: :crazy:

BTW, on NBC 17 last night, they had a poll going about who would you vote for governor in California. And not surprisingly, Arnold led the poll at around 48%, while Gray Davis and Gallagher were tied for second with 11% each.

Jeff O Rocks

08-12-2003, 12:12 PM

Anyone who borrows her shoes and her car from Barbie (the Mattel toy not the Storm Squad member) should not be allowed to run for political office. :roll:

Angie you crack me up.... :D What kind of platform is she running on?? Hi, I'm a complete idiot but I have had a little plastic surgery to make me look good!

rons#1fan

08-12-2003, 12:13 PM

Yeah, can you see Gallagher being elected? You would know you were in trouble when he carried that mallot of his ! :D

Stormbringer

08-12-2003, 12:14 PM

nccanes

08-12-2003, 12:58 PM

What kind of platform is she running on??

Um...platform shoes?

Ba-dum-bum. ;)

Jeff O Rocks

08-12-2003, 01:00 PM

What kind of platform is she running on??

Um...platform shoes?

Ba-dum-bum. ;)

You know Eileen when I was typing that, I was thinking the same thing!! Great minds............. ;)

SouthernHockeyChick

08-12-2003, 01:11 PM

LMAO! A LITTLE plastice suregery? Didn't you see those things?? :eek2:

;)

Jeff O Rocks

08-12-2003, 01:51 PM

Didn't you see those things?? :eek2:

;)

Oh yeah those things could drive her little pink car!! :laugh:

Shell

08-13-2003, 04:02 PM

:laugh:

Davis May Be Odds Man Out

In the latest case of money in politics, an online betting company is allowing gamblers to wager on the California recall election. Odds have been established for 13 of the more than 200 would-be replacements for Gov. Gray Davis (D).

The favorite at www.BetWWTS.com, no surprise, is Arnold Schwarzenegger at 5:9 odds, meaning the Terminator pays $5 for every $9 bet. Next is Cruz Bustamante at 7:5, Bill Simon at 5:1, and Peter Ueberroth at 8:1. Larry Flynt is a dark horse at 30:1, though he leads Gary Coleman at 50:1.

The horse race doesn't look good for Davis. Odds are 4:15 that he will be recalled.

Shell

08-14-2003, 09:04 AM

Gallagher's campaign is in full swing....

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030813/capt.1060801363.davis_recall_gallagher_wx103.jpg

talkingcanes

08-14-2003, 11:42 AM

and what has he done to his hair?

and the pink/blond woman with the shoes? I would break every bone in both legs, but then maybe she's not on her feet all that often :eek2:

Turbulence

08-14-2003, 02:59 PM

and the pink/blond woman with the shoes? I would break every bone in both legs, but then maybe she's not on her feet all that often :eek2:

Yea, :eek2: sums it up pretty well.

I wonder what Gallagher's platform is...

Shell

08-14-2003, 08:02 PM

well, you asked! and aside from no financials mention, I am rather partial to it LOL

Gallagher for Guv: What's So Funny About That?
By Mark Leibovich
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 12, 2003; Page C01

Gallagher, the crazy-haired comedian best known for smashing watermelons onstage, showed up in the lobby of The Washington Post yesterday morning. He spoke loudly, carried a large cardboard box filled with dirty clothes and explained that he was running for governor of California. A security guard asked him to leave.

So Gallagher repaired to Jack's Famous Deli across 15th Street NW, where he took a seat near the entrance. "I just got kicked off the front steps of The Washington Post," Gallagher yells into his cell phone.

Cynics would say that Gallagher -- his actual name, Leo Gallagher, will appear on the ballot -- is using California's recall election to revive his B-list career. And that by airing his views, the media are abetting this effort and depriving more serious candidates -- like, say, Gary Coleman or Larry Flynt -- of attention.

But it's not every day that the circus comes to you. Gallagher, 57, arrived in Washington early yesterday after a gig in Buffalo. He looks tired and disheveled, with stringy shoulder-length hair that is, in that aging celeb kind of way, prematurely auburn. He has a wad of 100 $20 bills in his pocket and later will get a room at the aptly named Governor's House Hotel on Rhode Island Ave. NW.

Gallagher is running a campaign of substance, he says -- or as substantive as a campaign can be that has as its slogan, "Finally, a governor you can get drunk with."

"Have you read my platform?" Gallagher says to anyone who'll listen to him, which, given his voice, is everyone in the deli.

Gallagher's platform includes, among other things, a commitment to use "big [expletive] helicopters" to clear away car accidents and ease traffic jams in a timely manner.

And he wants newspapers to run "obituary notices for businesses" as well as for people.

And he also wants to make it illegal to talk loudly on cell phones in public places.

His cell phone rings again.

"I come on a little strong," Gallagher yells into his phone. "People can think I'm a little weird if they don't know me."

A lot of people in the deli know Gallagher. They do double-takes, then approach him. "You're that guy, I've seen you before," says John Maddox, a carpenter.

Gallagher tells Maddox he's running for governor of California.

"You're running against that Schwarzenegger, right?" Maddox says. "And where's that porno queen who's running? I've seen her. . . . She's looking good." (That would be candidate Mary Carey, who says she would make lap dance revenue tax deductible if elected.)

Gallagher engages Maddox in a discussion of the issues:

"Have you seen how all the kids these days walk around with their butts hanging out of their pants?" Gallagher asks. Maddox nods.

"I'd vote for him for governor," Maddox says later. This is retail politics at its purest, with the slight complication that Maddox is a resident of Prince George's County, not California.

It raises the question of why a candidate for governor of California is campaigning in Washington. "I'm here, in Washington, D.C., fighting for my ideas," Gallagher says. "The other idiots are out there, fighting for attention."

By lunch time, attention is fighting for Gallagher. A reporter from the New Republic has arrived at Jack's Deli, and a guy from Cox Newspapers, and one from WTOP Radio, and the media scrum is on.

Another question arises, inevitably: Does Gallagher's Washington strategy signal an eventual run for president?

"No, I'm not running for president," Gallagher clarifies. "I'm a comedian."

nccanes

08-14-2003, 09:13 PM

And he also wants to make it illegal to talk loudly on cell phones in public places.

He's got my vote. :laugh:

(As an OT aside - I keep a mental list of heinous violators of common courtesy when it comes to cell phones and I have a new #1 on the list just this week. Actually two. I was in a small dentist office waiting room when violator #1 had not one, but two conversations via her Nextel direct connect phone so we all heard both sides of the conversation. But violator #2, took the cake. She picked up her phone, spoke just about as loud as anyone I've ever heard speak publicly and then proceeded to discuss with her friend that so-and-so might be back at their private school in a year because "you know how those public schools are". I was floored. I'm not good at dirty looks, but I gave her my best shot and shook my head disbelievingly. B*tch. :laugh:)

Shell

08-14-2003, 09:17 PM

I know i must be getting old if the thought of making kids 'pull up their britches' makes me this happy ;) http://wemissjerry.org/smiles/grin.gif

(yes, this is coming from the same person that had a black streak in very blond hair who could frequently be found in Misfits shirts with blood and brains and a denim jacket that said "Killing is my business and business is good" (Megadeth). How times change ;)) (of course most people don't see my tie-dyes as any better ;)) Once again, I digress... sorry for all my chattiness tonight lol

Shell

08-15-2003, 02:59 PM

Ex-Child Star, Porn Star to Debate Calif. Recall
By Ben Berkowitz

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Diminutive actor Gary Coleman and porn actress Mary Carey were unveiled on Friday as two of the five candidates set to compete in the Game Show Network's "debate" ahead of California's unprecedented gubernatorial recall election.

The network is calling its program, "Who Wants To Be Governor of California?"

Game Show Network president Rich Cronin told a news conference that network on-air personality Kennedy would host the debate, to be taped Sept. 24 for an Oct. 1 airing.

Kennedy then introduced Coleman and Carey, who are among the 135 candidates who qualified for the Oct. 7 ballot, as the first two of five participants in the debate.

"The remaining three contestants will be announced over the next two weeks," Cronin said, adding that the network had received strong interest from others on the ballot, though it preferred only wacky and underdog candidates.

"According to the latest polls, Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites) is an underdog, so we will consider him," Cronin said, referring to the state's embattled Democratic governor.

"This debate is for entertainment purposes only, and our lawyers made it clear to me, I should say, this debate is for entertainment purposes only," Cronin said.

The candidates will make position statements during the show and answer a series of multiple-choice questions on facts about California and the other candidates.

Viewers will be able to vote for the winner on the network's Web site, and Cronin said the results would be announced on-air on Oct. 7 at 8 p.m. PT, to coincide with the closing of California's polls.

The winner will get a $21,200 "campaign donation," the most allowed from a corporation under state campaign finance laws.

Pressed on why she was getting involved in what has become a media circus, Carey insisted that her aims were noble in both running in the election and participating in the debate.

"I registered a whole bunch of strippers and porn stars that were never registered voters," she said.

After introducing the two candidates who were "seeking to preside over the once-great state of California," Kennedy ran a mock session between the two of them.

Asked to spell "Schwarzenegger," as in Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Republican actor-turned-politician who leads the pack of candidates in most polls, Carey asked "Can I have a pen and paper?"

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030815/mdf338062.jpg http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030815/s/1060975985.3556786269.jpg

Turbulence

08-15-2003, 03:05 PM

That's insane....but just insane enough for me to watch.
I guess that's what GSN is betting on.

Shell

08-15-2003, 11:06 PM

Actor Rob Lowe Joins Schwarzenegger Campaign
Friday, August 15, 2003; 6:50 PM
By Steve Gorman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Actor Rob Lowe, who played a top White House aide on television, has joined the real-life gubernatorial campaign of fellow star Arnold Schwarzenegger, a campaign spokeswoman said on Friday.

Lowe, a longtime Democratic activist whose attendance at the party's 1988 national convention led to a sex scandal, has accepted a volunteer post to organize celebrity supporters for Schwarzenegger, a Republican seeking to unseat Democratic California Gov. Gray Davis in a recall election this fall.

Lowe became the third high-profile addition to the Schwarzenegger campaign in as many days, following announcements that billionaire investor Warren Buffett -- another Democrat -- and former Secretary of State George Shultz had agreed to serve as co-chairs of the actor's Economic Recovery Council.

Schwarzenegger and Lowe became friends when their families met three years ago while on vacation, and Lowe last year helped rally voters and raise money for Schwarzenegger's successful ballot initiative on after-school programs for children, campaign spokeswoman Karen Hanretty said.

She said Lowe's job would entail the coordination of endorsements and other forms of support for the campaign by celebrities. Hanretty said she did not know how Lowe came to throw his support behind Schwarzenegger's bid or whether he had enlisted help from any other celebrities as yet.

Earlier, a source close to Lowe told Reuters the former co-star of NBC White House drama "The West Wing" had been asked by Schwarzenegger and the Democrat closest to the "Terminator" star -- his wife, Maria Shriver -- to join the campaign in some high-ranking capacity.

According to the Los Angeles Times, Lowe is one of several Hollywood Democrats to express interest in working for Schwarzenegger's campaign.

Lowe, who portrayed an idealistic White House speech writer named Sam Seaborn on "West Wing," left the show last season in a contract dispute with producers but landed a starring role in the upcoming NBC legal drama, "The Lyon's Den."

In real life, Lowe has long been active in Democratic Party circles, supporting the failed 1988 presidential bid of then-Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis. Attending the Democratic National Convention that year in Atlanta, Lowe videotaped himself cavorting with two young women, one of whom turned out to be under age, in a hotel room.

The sexual encounter made headlines months later when the explicit video surfaced publicly, and Lowe ended up performing community service to avoid criminal charges.