What Happens Next?? Rumor, Tweets, Media Hints

[nccanes]

What the hell, is today the day that something gives?

I figured it might be nice to have a place for any hints or tweets or whatever.

Lately I haven't been able to check twitter much during the day and I know some people aren't on twitter, so maybe this can be a collection point.

Yeah - perhaps this thread should have been called "Wishful Thinking".

[IceSun]

Originally Posted by nccanes

What the hell, is today the day that something gives?

Yeah - perhaps this thread should have been called "Wishful Thinking".

LOL - saw the title and thought "That's optimistic - I hope there's something to put in that thread today!"

[nccanes]

What time does JF appear on 620 in the morning?

edit: NEVERMIND, I'm listening and they just said he'd be on in 5 minutes (which would make it 8:05)

[MoBigRed]

Forslund sensible, as always.

[nccanes]

I guess there's not a lot he can say....it's a big steaming heap right now.

He did say he felt like this needed be addressed from top to bottom, including a statement (I don't think he meant literally a public statement) from the GM, that he needed to get involved.

He is WAY WAY down on the team defense. I got the sense that he was saying the players are playing stupid, that they aren't being directed to do some of the stupid crap they've done defensively (he talked about the Subban goal specifically). I know he used a pretty strong word on XM yesterday, I think it was "atrocious" -- and that was BEFORE last night's game.

[superdave]

Originally Posted by nccanes

I got the sense that he was saying the players are playing stupid.

I can't help but wonder if the players are laying down to get rid of Mo. It really seems like they have quit on him.

[nccanes]

Originally Posted by superdave

I can't help but wonder if the players are laying down to get rid of Mo. It really seems like they have quit on him.

That's certainly the conclusion you can draw, though I doubt players anywhere actually make a conscious decision to do this. Even if a few don't give a rip, it's not like an entire roster is doing it. I don't think anyone can convince me of that, whether it's Raleigh or C-bus or Tampa when they sucked.

I think it comes down to a coach that can't (for whatever reason: ineptitude, poor strategy, poor communication, inability to motivate, inability to hold players accountable, etc....) get a team to overcome adversity. At this point it's not really the why that matters as much as acknowledging enough is enough - the sample size is big enough. Let the next coach figure out where to begin.

The Canes were never gonna be conference leaders....but they shouldn't be this bad either.

My 2 cents.

edit: Plus, I can't imagine our Canadian heavy roster would choose MTL...on TSN...to just rollover in order to get the coach canned. Perhaps that's what happened, but I would hope they had more pride than to do it purposefully.

[VandyCane]

I wondered the same thing, superdave. Like an idiot, I listed to Chuck K last night since I don't have center ice. He was really critical of the players and some of the boneheaded decisions they were making. He also read a letter/question about Maurice getting fired (was that from caveman?). Anyway, he certainly didn't jump up and down defending Maurice but did rehash the whole "he's been part of system since juniors...eye injury...blah, blah, blah."

Nccanes, I certainly hope that this thread comes to fruition!

[superdave]

Originally Posted by nccanes

That's certainly the conclusion you can draw, though I doubt players anywhere actually make a conscious decision to do this. Even if a few don't give a rip, it's not like an entire roster is doing it. I don't think anyone can convince me of that, whether it's Raleigh or C-bus or Tampa when they sucked.

I think it comes down to a coach that can't (for whatever reason: ineptitude, poor strategy, poor communication, inability to motivate, inability to hold players accountable, etc....) get a team to overcome adversity. At this point it's not really the why that matters as much as acknowledging enough is enough - the sample size is big enough. Let the next coach figure out where to begin.

The Canes were never gonna be conference leaders....but they shouldn't be this bad either.

My 2 cents.

edit: Plus, I can't imagine our Canadian heavy roster would choose MTL...on TSN...to just rollover in order to get the coach canned. Perhaps that's what happened, but I would hope they had more pride than to do it purposefully.

I don't know. I'm grasping at straws anyway.

I just think that PK and JR need to do something to show the fans that they care. If no changes are made now, I know that it if okay with them.

[ultrablue55]

Originally Posted by VandyCane

INccanes, I certainly hope that this thread comes to fruition!

You're not alone. I certainly would not dismiss the suspicion that the players have quit on Maurice. If Lewis was brought in for D, would they sh*t can him as an out on Maurice and still be able to say they did something? There is no way JR can sit on this until Friday IMHO.

[nccanes]

Oh, completely agree.

I think generally it's easier to say "the team quit" or "the team rolled over" because it's a lot fewer words than "the coach has become completely ineffective and it's manifesting in complete chaos on the ice. Whether it's on purpose by some or subconcious by others or they really don't know WTF to do or don't respect the coaching enough to actually do what they ask."

See, "quit on the coach" is much simpler!

[DJHARLEY]

Originally Posted by superdave

I can't help but wonder if the players are laying down to get rid of Mo. It really seems like they have quit on him.

But if they are, what does that say about these players?

Seems like to me,if they had/have that much of a problem with the coach they need to address that with the GM behind closed doors, not embarras themselves and the entire organization on the ice.

[superdave]

Originally Posted by DJHARLEY

But if they are, what does that say about these players?

Seems like to me,if they had/have that much of a problem with the coach they need to address that with the GM behind closed doors, not embarras themselves and the entire organization on the ice.

In the workplace, and the ice is the workplace for the Canes, at times employees will reach the point of frustration with upper management that will affect performance. They know that their opinions are falling on deaf ears and "The Man" is going to do what he wants no matter what. At that point, employees' effort will reduce in direct proportion to their "give a damn". It may not be on purpose.

[kermelbar]

^ Been there. And, alas, visit it from time to time still.

[Darkwing]

well, the twitterverse certainly seems to think that a change is imminent. Not sure what change will be made, but something needs to be done.

[superdave]

Originally Posted by kermelbar

^ Been there. And, alas, visit it from time to time still.

You aren't alone. That's why I know the process so well.

[Solracer]

Originally Posted by Darkwing

well, the twitterverse certainly seems to think that a change is imminent. Not sure what change will be made, but something needs to be done.

Yep

DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
Hurricanes may be running out of options. Trade or coaching change. I expect one or the other. All the signs are there.


@BrianWildeCTV
BrianWilde
Canes performance was a team not committed. I loathe to make this call, but must: they need a coaching change or player heart replacements.

[caniac97]

Don't think the guys "intentionally" are laying down BUT there does come a time when an entire team will "tune the coach out". That happens all the time, happened to Mo 1.0 and then to Lavi and now to Mo 2.0. In the end you can't fire the entire team so the coach HAS to go.

[nccanes]

Originally Posted by caniac97

Don't think the guys "intentionally" are laying down BUT there does come a time when an entire team will "tune the coach out". That happens all the time, happened to Mo 1.0 and then to Lavi and now to Mo 2.0. In the end you can't fire the entire team so the coach HAS to go.

Yup.

My comments about the "quitting on..." had more to do with defending the players, not an attempt to defend Mo. By definition this is his responsibility.

[Darkwing]

this may be a hideous rumor, but does anyone know wtf this is talking about?


"#Canes crumbling quickly...locker room incident last night during 4-0 loss to #Habs the next step towards a Paul Maurice firing. #MoMustGo
"

[nccanes]

Look in the game thread.

All that's been reported is that Cam's stick got thrown and was in a few pieces and some cryptic comments about Staal leaving the locker room to another room and Mo following him.

[WillLikeWhoa091]

Eric Staal threw (quite forcibly apparently) a goalie stick out of the locker room and then went to a separate locker room to cool off. He was followed, but I don't remember by who.

[Darkwing]

Originally Posted by nccanes

Look in the game thread.

All that's been reported is that Cam's stick got thrown and was in a few pieces and some cryptic comments about Staal leaving the locker room to another room and Mo following him.

d'oh sorry. Well good for him. At least one or two of the players hate to lose.

[KaniacFever]

Originally Posted by superdave

I can't help but wonder if the players are laying down to get rid of Mo. It really seems like they have quit on him.

One would think, but the talking heads seem to think differently. They say the players like him and want to play for him. Why they believe a trade will happen before a coaching change. But, you do have to get another GM to bite on your bait, and if JR can't find someone to do that soon, then the coach has to go, because something has to change.

I'm actually game for ANY one on that defense to go via trade, except Joni and McBain. Yeah can't believe I'm saying this, but he's actually the only one I haven't cussed at and damn our transition game sucks w/o him in the line up. And McBain b/c he is young and I believe he's got potential.

[TheBigKahuna]

Maybe Staal should concentrate those energies into play ON the ice, and not temper tantrums in the locker room?

I'd rip the "C" off his chest, but then would be left standing and holding a "C" that no one really deserves. But I'm pretty confident Skinner will wear it sooner than later. Gleason has an "A" but he's not going to be around much longer. Sutter.....maybe?

When you get blown out like they did last night, and then you blow up in the room and NOT on the ice, I question a player's integrity. Season after season we watch Canes team get pushed around, beaten etc and they simply roll over. You rarely ever see players stand up for themselves or get tough on the ice. Every Maurice coached team is soft and plays like a bunch of pansies.